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Misspelling
In the subsection titled "Used to describe earlier prophets in the Qur'an", there is a misspelling of the word Judaism as "Judiaism" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.251.239 (talk)
 * @184.100.251.239: I've fixed it. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Kamalthebest (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Query on headline statistics in overview box on right hand side of page
The denomination percentages are from the 2009 Pew Research Center report. However, other data e.g. total Muslim population (1.8 billion) and country populations are from more recent reports. Therefore, there should be a note saying that the 2009 percentages have been assumed to remain consistent otherwise we are mixing different reports and methods without justification.

I think note 1 should be expanded to explain why the "non-denominational" Muslims are only deducted from the 87-90% of Sunnis. Also there needs to be some explanation why we can deduct non-denominational Muslims mentioned in a 2012 report from a percentage in a 2009 report.

Ahmadiyya have been added as approx. 1% of the Muslim population but are they included in the 1.8 billion figure? Perhaps they are because they self-identify as Muslim but this needs to be made clear because they are not recognised as Muslim by most other Muslims and so including them as 1% could be confusing.

From the 2012 Pew Research Center report I cannot understand how a figure of approx. 1% of other denominations is arrived at. As far as I can see no mention is made of any other denominations. Mention is made of them on p. 9 of the 2009 report but they are neglected. Hajjamda (talk) 21:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)hajjamda

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2018
Founder of is Islam is Allah the Almighty, Muhammad was the messenger of Allah, therefore Muhammad only taught Islam, not founded. 95.84.67.116 (talk) 15:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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Talk Page Archived
To Talk:Muslim/Archive 6 --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Delete Note 2
Stem IV participle is not 'also known as infinitive', that wouldn't make sense, and there is no infinitive in Arabic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.91.213.248 (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 December 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Moved per the consensus below. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 16:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Muslim → Muslims – Per WP:PLURAL: "Articles on people groups" are acceptable in plural form. There was recent consensus to move Christians from the singular to the plural form. This RM is therefore intended to achieve WP:CONSISTENCY for religious groups across the project. See also Talk:Hindu. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. WP:PLURAL obviously applies here. No different than Christians and Jews. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONSISTENCY. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per rationale provided by the OP and other examples of similar articles. Shashank5988 (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Non denominational 'Muslim'
I believe this is a bit misleading. Just cause a Muslim doesnt chose to identify with a sect doesn't change that he is practicing a specific sect. in the case of kazakhstan and other countries where the Sunni has been changed to 'non denominational', its sunni Islam that is practiced in mosques. there is no 'non denominational' way of practicing Islam. You either pray, fast like a Sunni or Shia. The statistics misleadingly takes away the Sunni population while the Shia percentage is kept the same. Giving a misleading idea that those 20% are undecided, when they are still practicing Sunni islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.190.37.245 (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Wrong Figures Concerning Pakistan Population
I am going to update the population figures of Pakistan, after announcement of official population figures in 2017 after National Census. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs) 14:43, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

recent edits as of 2020-02-14
A recent edit here caught my eye because of the it contained; I wondered about that in relation to the dates of the cited sources and thought to check that. On checking, I found that the supporting Ref for the sentence of interest was an orphan. I looked around and found the same ref name with defined content over in the Muslim world article, linking to a list of sources. Some of those sources were dated but none were dated 2019. I copied the body of that Ref into this article anyhow to get rid of the cite error in the References section. Looking at the recent edit history of this article, I see that the edit which caught my eye was part of a series of edits by. I see that that user talk page is empty but that it had contained warnings in the past, which is OK per WP:TPG. Still, it seems to me that his recent edits might deserve a look by an editor who knows a lot more about the topic of this article than I. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

disqualifier
As there is a section on qualifiers, would it not improve the article to have a section on disqualifiers? 2A00:23C5:C102:9E00:1471:FC9F:3A1B:E6EC (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2020
Muslims are people who follow or practice Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion. Muslims consider the Quran, their holy book, to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. The majority of Muslims also follow the teachings and practices of Muhammad (sunnah) as recorded in traditional accounts (hadith).[27]

Please give permission to edit the first paragraph as follows:

"Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "submitter" (to God) mentioned in the Noble Quran, the last and final revelation of God to Prophet Muhammed, according to the Islamic traditions. The word 'muslim' represents the mental state of a person who submit this will to the Almighty God. So being a muslim denotes the mental state of a person. A person who peacefully submits or surrenders herself or himself to God alone is a Muslim. In other words, it is a person who has accepted God as the only authority for eternal salvation and tries his or her best to follow and respect divine laws elucidated in scripture and nature. With the exception of thoughts, prejudices and choices of ingrates and of those who associate partners to God, everything else in the universe is, in a sense, by definition a Muslim or submitter to God. According to Islamic traditions, the prophets Adam, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Mosses, Isa the son of Mary and Muhammed were all muslims.

There is no ritual, ceremony, or magical word to become a Muslim. Anyone who seeks the truth with their God-given reasoning faculties and senses is in essence Muslim; Muslims are those who guard against the influence of peers, parents, clergymen, ancestors, crowds, dogmas, ideology, and wishful thinking in the quest to find answers to various philosophical or theological questions. A Muslim, by not submitting her or his mind to any authority besides God, is a model free person. Since God is the truth, a Muslim is a perpetual seeker of truth and facts, and in this quest none other than truth and facts can have authority over him or her. Thus, a Muslim is a critical thinker, a brave free man standing on his or her own feet, and demonstrates a reasonable dose of skepticism in regard to accepting assertions, especially those that are related to his or her eternal salvation. Anzarsm (talk) 05:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Not done, that reads more like a personal essay rather than an encyclopedic entry, is also not neutral. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Muslims (version 2)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020
Help me to edit 2409:4054:205:2431:DC91:B39E:6768:AA81 (talk) 10:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 10:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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Muslims are divided into two groups Shia Islam] و [[sunni islam Seeadkarami (talk) 05:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Islamic
Muslims are divided into two groups Shia Islam و sunni islam Seeadkarami (talk) 05:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Important
Hey, please add "Peace be upon him" or PBUH after the sentence "Prophet Muhammad" neither or, it's one kind of way to show low respect to him. Musfikur Rahman Sam (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * See MOS:PBUH. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I think there are rules against ascribing honorifics. For example, Wikipedia doesn't refer to Queen Elizabeth II as 'Your Majesty'Rayyanislam (talk) 22:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See MOS:HON. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2020
In the last paragraph of the lead replace North Asia with Siberia. Ty 2607:9880:4030:A8:4003:5BDD:2A4C:D049 (talk) 12:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That would be incorrect. — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 19:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2020
Please amend the number of Muslims to 1.9 billion, according to the sources in the article for Statistics 2020. رامي 4554 (talk) 16:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

“Not to be confused with Muslin” - removed.
The Muslim disambiguation page is enough. People who are searching for “Muslin” the fabric company will undoubtedly not mistaken Muslim for this page. For the sake of brevity it it will be removed.

We all know not to confuse this page with a fabric company. JasonMoore (talk) 00:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)