Talk:Muslims

“Musulman”
This page redirects from “musulman”. Surely it should be in the lead paragraph, as “Muslims, also known as musulmans”… would this not be more useful? “Musulman” is at least as common as “Muslim”, in common usage. LeetToTheBeatMakeItRoar (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "At least as common"? Um, what? I'm not sure I've encountered the term Musulman in English-- certainly not in anything modern-ish.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  13:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Musulman is not a term seriously used in any contemporary literature. It is an archaic term of the 16th-19th centuries. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree... I think I've seen it at least once or twice in 18th century stuff, but it's certainly not in common usage this century.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  15:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Although it's possible that some confusion may arise due to Romance language still using “musulman” analogues. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding an Unsourced demographic edit
An User name @Ftimasheikh450 have been continuously editing the page without giving adequate references to the changes that she have been made recently multiple times. She has been continuously editing without providing any credible source/reference. Please look after that with immediate effect.

Thank you With regards – Pitush Puttar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitush Puttar (talk • contribs) 19:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Please correct error
Please correct your article about Muslim. I error in the article I mentioned below:- Muslim must give "Shahada" that Muhammad is last prophet of Allah, and "Ahmadiyya" sect is banished from Islam, because they don't give "Shahada" that Muhammad is last prophet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.149.149 (talk) 05:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

"Mulsim" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mulsim&redirect=no Mulsim] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at until a consensus is reached. Mast303 (talk) 00:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

"Islams" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islams&redirect=no Islams] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. An anonymous username, not my real name 20:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

2 billion Muslims
change 1.9 billion Iamsmfs1 (talk) 03:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Muslim Population
Can you provide a source that the number of Muslims has exceeded 2 billion people? AlhyarJy (talk) 01:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * As of 2020, it has 1.9 billion adherents, or 24.9% of the global population. According to data from the Pew Research Center, the global Muslim population was estimated to be around 1.8 billion in 2015, and it's projected to reach 2.2 billion by 2030. Some sources indicating that the number reached 2 billion but not reliables, unless someone shares reliable sources * ab. Sarah SchneiderCH (talk) 03:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2023
Please remove flags from infoboxes per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. 112.204.197.139 (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This is a relatively long standing status quo that matches other articles like Christians, so I'd ask that a consensus is developed before that change is made. I'll note that MOS:INFOBOXFLAG specifies that in "human geographic articles" consensus will dictate the use of flags. Bestagon ⬡ 19:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is IMO a pretty straightforward ask. "Human geographic articles" are pretty clearly spelled out as spatial divisions of residence - i.e. the examples of "settlements and administrative subdivisions" - and lists of countries where religiously affiliated individuals do not fit these examples. The MOS section begins by plainly stating, "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a 'country', 'nationality' or equivalent field". But since there's objection, I won't implement. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Brought here by discussion at Talk:Christians. I tend to agree with both Pinchme123 and the IP: INFOBOXFLAG seems to identify articles like these as examples where flags are inadvisable (as opposed to articles on spatial bodies like diocese or ecclesiastical provinces, where flags seem permissible). ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also noticed, in the "long standing status quo" linked above, the edit summary points to Jews as an example. Which is an extended confirmed protected page where lots of discussion happens, yet the flags were removed months ago without even being noted, much less objected to. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Seeing that example and the general support for removal here, I think we have a minor consensus towards invoking INFOBOXFLAG to remove the flags. I will do so at Christians with reference to this discussion. If additional opposition to such a move arises, we can defer to the status quo of including them and rehash it. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Given our discussion, I've removed them here. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2023
Remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.110.74 (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion below but seems like no one wants to discuss the issue. 223.123.112.73 (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on addition of Urdu in the language section of info box
I like to remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.110.74 (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems like no one wants to discuss. 223.123.112.129 (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2023
Remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.112.129 (talk) 07:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. You've been told this before, and simply need to be patient. Please stop using the edit-request feature in this manner. You should also provide a reliable source that says what you really want to say: that more Muslims speak Urdu than Hindi, though that's not really information suitable for the infobox. Xan747 (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Never said anything about Hindi. I only mentioned Hindustani. 223.123.109.240 (talk) 03:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Languages in infobox
This infobox element is of pretty dubious WP:WEIGHT. There is a paucity of reliable sources focusing on this to a significant degree. One source is just about global populations, another analyses languages among Muslims, but at a community level, and another is just about Arabic dialects. More generally, this is a rather unusual and unnatural way to bisect a religion's adherents. It is also relatively duplicative of the already tiresome list of different populations by country, since language use obviously closely reflects the national origins of adherents. In addition, there is no information about languages on the page, making the inclusion of this material in the infobox, which is supposed to be a summary of material on the page, an overreach per MOS:INFOBOX. So doubly flawed. If it were to be binned, it would be no loss to readers. Does anyone disagree? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree (While we're at it, the section above that, listing the Sunni, Shi'a etc shouldn't be called "religions", but something like "denominations" or "branches"). Furius (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not an unreasonable proposal to me... This particular infobox doesn't seem to say much besides some potentially inaccurate statistics better fit for the body of the article. On a (marginally) related note, the first paragraph in "Demographics" might be better presented as a list. Albertatiran (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The alternative is that all of these infoboxes are just jokes. Hindus has the additional irony of using the subhead "Predominant spoken languages" before rattling off about fifty examples, somewhat exemplifying the Pandora's Box nature of this kind of infobox addition. POV turns "predominant" into everything. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:37, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Correctness of the shahada transcription
Hello, I just noticed an issue with the shahada transcription (see here: diff), I am certain that my edit was correct as I checked many other websites and also other Wikipedia and Wiktionary pages to be sure. Other than that, I am not an expert in Latin transcribing Arabic, so I would be happy if anybody can check that transcription for any other errors that may be present. Thanks.

As a Muslim myself, I do not say "illallahu", but "illallah", there is no "u" in the page Shahada either. So I need assistance here, because I do not want to make edits that I am not 1000% certain about. Guherto (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Reliability of Morocco World News and The Munsif Daily
As of 2020, it has 1.9 billion adherents, or 24.9% of the global population. According to data from the Pew Research Center, the global Muslim population was estimated to be around 1.8 billion in 2015, and it's projected to reach 2.2 billion by 2030. Some sources indicating that the number reached 2 billion but not reliables, unless someone shares reliable sources. Morocco World News The Munsif Daily, based their data and claims on "the Global Muslim Population website".

Global Muslim population website, is the website that these sources based their claims on it, and this website is not a reliable source.Durziil89 (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image
Recently, I changed the image in the infobox for this article, which was later reverted by @StasiaNote. I did this because the image shown in the infobox is the following painting: The reason I decided to remove this painting as the depiction for Muslims is primarily because of the artist himself, Jean-Léon Gérôme. Gérôme is infamously known for his participation in Orientalism, even the lead image on that article shows a painting by Gérôme. His article also discusses his Orientalist legacy. By using this image (and only this depiction of Muslims is used in the entire article), Wikipedia risks associating itself with Orientalism, which would violate NPOV.

I certainly recommend replacing the Gérôme painting with a less controversial image. When I removed the painting, I replaced it with the following photograph. I thought it would be the most helpful as:


 * 1) Every person depicted in the image is certainly a Muslim.
 * 2) The location is an area important to the religion of Islam.
 * 3) A diverse group of people are represented in the photo.
 * 4) The people are participating an Islamic ritual.

If, for whatever reason, this image is also controversial, then I suggest the usage of one of the images in the below gallery.― Howard • 🌽33 19:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Unlisted populations
Why are none of the other countries listed like khazakistan etc? You can even see the percentages for the country itself on its wiki... 173.80.7.142 (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
Please list Hindustani language before Bengali language in infobox as it has more than double the total Muslim speakers l1 and l2 combined. Hindustani (includes both registers Urdu and Hindi) is spoken by Muslims of India (specially in North India and every major city of India) and Pakistan. Whereas Bengali is limited to Bengal region. 2404:3100:1453:85AF:1:0:D5A9:E9BD (talk) 07:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)