Talk:O. J. Simpson/Archive 3

OJ's daily life today
This may seem a strange comment, but I noticed there's nothing in the article about where OJ lives today and what his daily life consists of. Do people see him on the streets and treat him like just a regular guy? Unless he lives in a gated mansion under constant protection and never goes out in public, I'm surprised someone hasnt tried to kill him yet. Haplolology Talk/Contributions 22:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It says he lives in Miami. read it again. 68.123.140.96 20:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

"In Todays Associated Press, it stated, he lives outside of Miami"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.141.187.24 (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The picture of OJ says it was taken in Iraq in 1990!

US forces were not in Iraq in 1990 - they were in Saudi Arabia or other Middle Eastern allies. Iraq was not even attacked by the USAF until 1991, and no US forces occupied the country after the DESERT STORM victory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.37.249 (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The picture itself looks fake to me. OJ is not in the same focus as the rest of the picture. To me it looks like an overlay. Was OJ with US troops in Iraq or Saudi Arabia or wherever they were in 1990? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.154.16.69 (talk) 03:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

"Not gulity" but only the word "guilty" is linked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oj_simpson#Las_Vegas_robbery

that ain't right. 207.237.228.71 (talk) 03:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorted. — Realist 2  ( Who's Bad? ) 00:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * awesome thx 207.237.33.37 (talk) 03:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a NPOV setup
Let me preface this by saying I believe OJ to be guilty as sin... however... It seems to me that the intro to the criminal section being "In 1989, Simpson pled no contest to a domestic violence charge and was separated from Nicole Brown, to whom he was paying child support." is very NPOV. It kind of feels like someone is setting the reader up to believe in his guilt of the accusations that follow. These facts obviously have a place in the article but their prominence at the beginning of that section seem overly apparent. Comments? 220.70.250.184 (talk) 11:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, I just made a minor edit to remove the word "murderer" from the first line....Seriously, who put that in? Umma Kynes 09:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ummakynes (talk • contribs)

Need photo of Bronco chase
Need photo of iconic Bronco slow-speed car chase. Badagnani (talk) 08:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My 1984 Bronco is white and looks just like OJ's, would that suffice? Kidshare (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Alleged confession ?
how about alleged denial? keep to the facts.

i agree. Should be deleted. Zaleneke (talk) 03:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * He's in the slammer, and that's a fact, Jack. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

...he was found directly responsible 4 in civil section
I think in other words he was found directly responsible for their murders should be removed from the "civil trial" section. Is that factual? If it is pls source it. 70.108.133.72 (talk) 14:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Found guilty
He was found guilty of all counts. http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/oj.simpson.verdict/index.html and http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/10/04/sot.oj.verdict.ap and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27010657/ October 4 2:48 AM (CST)
 * Read the article. Tvoz / talk 08:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Democrat?
Anyone else notice that he's listed as a Democrat?

I can find no evidence of this and frankly it looks like race baiting bull. --71.143.0.146 (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is his political affiliation sourced anywhere? I don't see it referred to anywhere else on the page. Dayewalker (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The word "Democrat" only appears at the category. Nowhere else in the text. It should go. Dr.K. (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I concur... and so I have removed the category. Vantelimus (talk) 22:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks. Dr.K. (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Lot of race baiting and hatred on this page.Article needs to be reedited for sensitivighty to issues.This is not how anyone should be intrduced..Orenthal James "O. J." Simpson (born July 9, 1947), nicknamed "The Juice", is a retired American football player, football broadcaster, spokesman, actor, and convicted felon. More hate more bias from wiki.Wikimakesmart (talk) 05:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Jury nullification
Is it not possible that the most recent judgement against Mr. Simpson was the result of jury nullification? Let's discuss this. It has certainly been a factor in previous verdicts (including, some would say, Mr. Simpson's trial in California). This RIGHT of juries is infrequently exercised, but has been known to be a factor. Having not been on that jury, I can't know the facts beyond what was reported in the press. And I won't presume to know Mr. Simpson's guilt or innocence. But this factor should be considered in any discussion of his conviction.

69.209.98.180 (talk) 01:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's don't discuss this. This page is for discussing improvements to the Wikipedia article, not about OJ Simpson or our opinions regarding his life. This isn't a forum, general discussion format or bulletin board. Actually, that factor should not be considered in this article, unless it is written about and published in a verifiable, third party reliable source. It is beyond the scope of a Wikipedia article to examine factors that would enter into jury deliberation or effect an outcome. All we can consider is what has been reported in the press or other sources. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

2001 trial
Is there a good reason why the page does not mention the second time that Simpson was tried on criminal charges and acquitted, in Florida for an alleged "road rage" assault in 2000? I figure it's worth a sentence or two somewhere, but I would also have expected it to bein there already.

Here's a link, which I must break syntactically to post it anonymously from a text-only connection: http: //www.courttv.com/trials/ojroadrage/acquittal.html

--208.76.104.133 (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

A question
Simpson was found guilty thirteen years to the day he was found not guilty. Was this somehow planned? I asked a friend who told me that their is no way it could have been planned. But I'd like a second oppinion. As such a thing is a HUGE coincidence.

Groucho2 10:05 11 November 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.122.118 (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Could have been planned if the jury were all in agreement about the verdict, but held off on purpose in order to read the verdict on the anniversary date. Was the jury in deliberation for more than one day before the verdict was read? This scenario is very unlikely, unless all 12 people came to the verdict, then made a decision to hold off the reading until until the anniversary date, and kept this a secret from the Courts and public. It was probably just a coincidence.98.176.234.126 (talk) 02:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Actual sentence
will someone please change the sentence to a minimum of 9 years, not 8 years. 9 years is the min the judge gave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.119.146 (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it was 9 years Robert Beck (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Watching it on TruTV now and reading up-to-date news articles online, so I agree. Perhaps adding that after he apologized, the judge rejected it and stated that "It was much more than stupidity". His sentence wasn't reduced, and he isn't eligible for parole (hearing) until after 9 years (minimum) but his sentence is as much as 33 years. It's hopeful he will have a minimum of 6 years if appealed. 2legit2quit2 (talk) 18:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, now they've announce OJ may go before the parole board after the first 6 year sentence, and then finish two 18 month sentences after that (on top of that back-to-back). As early as 6 years, possibly not until 9 years. I guess waiting until this is all "old news" would be best for collecting accurate details. (smile) 2legit2quit2 (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

mere seconds ago, the NYT issued a breaking news email stating "minimum of 9 years." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.119.146 (talk) 19:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Clearly there is confusion on the part of the media about the expectation of when he might be eligible for parole - I agree with 2legit's point that we should wait for a definitive report. Tvoz / talk 19:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

And now we know. (smile) 2legit2quit2 (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please include the full list of sentences as follows in a table format:

Count	Crime	Fixed	Min	Max	Concurrent Count	Consecutive Count	Parole Eligibility	Consecutive Term	Jail	Comments count 1	conspiracy to commit crime	1 yr							county jail count 2	conspiracy to commit kidnapping		12 months	48 months	count 1				nv dept of corrections count 3	conspiracy to commit robbery		12 months	48 months	count 2				nv dept of corrections count 4	burglary while in possession of deadly weapon		26 months	120 months	count 3				nv dept of corrections count 5	1st degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon	15 years			count 4		5 years	12-72	(not specified) count 6	1st degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon	15 years			count 5		5 years	12-72	(not specified) count 7	robbery with use of a deadly weapon		60 months	180 months	count 6			12-72	nv dept of corrections	enhancement count 8	robbery with use of a deadly weapon		60 months	180 months	count 7			12-72	nv dept of corrections count 9	assault with a deadly weapon		18 months	72 months		count 8			nv dept of corrections count 10	assault with a deadly weapon		18 months	72 months		count 9			nv dept of corrections —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.30.171 (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy/format in sentencing date
the sentencing date is shown in this paragraph as 2008-12-05


 * Simpson and his co-defendant were found guilty of all charges on October 3, 2008.[5] Sentencing for Simpson and Stewart was set for December 5, 2008 at 9:00 a.m. PST.[35] The kidnapping charge carries a possible life sentence with parole, and the robbery convictions carry mandatory prison time.[36] Despite the possibility of serving a life sentence, Simpson was ultimately sentenced to 15 years imprisonment on 2008-12-05.

then in a paragraph following shortly after it is stated again


 * On December 5, 2008, Simpson was sentenced to at least fifteen years in prison on these charges, with the possibility of parole after six years.[40] [6]

recommend these two be merged into one paragraph Mt1955 (talk) 19:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought he got 33, with parole in 9 ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.107.88 (talk) 20:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * See section immediately above this one. Tvoz / talk 20:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Recentism
Murder trial: one paragraph. Robbery trial: eight. Let's maintain historical perspective here. Skomorokh 00:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that's true, but it's not because of recentism:  the result of the robbery trial is having a major impact on his life, and therefore his bio - arguably at least as big an impact as the murder trial, as he's going to prison for a long time, assuming his appeals are unsuccessful.  Tvoz / talk 00:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent tense?
Just doesn't seem right, "faced" and then "carry".


 * Simpson faced a possible life sentence with parole on the kidnapping charge, and the robbery convictions carry mandatory prison time.

Maybe; "While Simpson faced a possible life sentence with parole on the kidnapping charge, and the robbery convictions carried mandatory prison time." Mt1955 (talk) 03:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

OJ the robber?
The robbery section is very long compared to the rest of the article. Ipromise (talk) 02:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

OJ Simpson's info
Born: July 9 1947 Played: 1969-1979 College: Soutern Cal. Drafted to Green Bay in: 1969 Number: 27 Got elected to Hall Of Fame in 1970 with Danny Bay Fields leading him there with their record:15-0-1.

Then Fields through a butiful pass to Simpson whitch coused the Packers to have 1 tied game in the career of   OJ Simpson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.31.149.70 (talk) 23:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

"O.J. Bowl"
What was the actual score of the "O.J. Bowl"? The information given at 1968 Pittsburgh Steelers season (that the Steelers won 6-3) does not correspond to what is written in this article, which is that "The Eagles won 12–0 (on 4 field goals by Sam Baker)". 1967 and 1969 Eagles–Steelers games similarly did not have 12-0 scores, so the problem isn't simply an error of being a year off, either. Robert K S (talk) 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Recentism tag
How is it possible that the discussion of the Las Vegas robbery case is several times longer than the discussion of the murder trial? Perhaps okay to summarize the first in just a paragraph, but then the more recent event doesn't merit more than a paragraph, either. THF (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for Minor Edit to Page
editprotected Under the heading "Other legal problems" which appears close to the bottom of the page, I would like to recommend that "Simpson" be made possessive to read "Simpson's". So instead of reading "Simpson three other" it would read "Simpson's three other" which would be grammatically correct. --Better4uBetter4me (talk) 05:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Prosecutor responds to OJ Simpson’s appeal
http://www.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view.bg?articleid=1197020

BostonHerald.com reports that a prosecutor has finally responded to the Simpson appeal of his sentence for robbery and kidnapping, as of September 12, 2009.--141.156.217.7 (talk) 11:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Tried for murder in civil court - how???
I've never heard of anyone being tried for murder in civil court before. Murder is a criminal offence. If this was the case, then why wouldn't *every* murderer be taken to civil court by the victim's family?Davez621 (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not murder but wrongful death. And it happens frequently. Robert K S (talk) 06:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * More so, presumably, with those who have the theoretical means to pay a judgment. No point in suing someone who has no money. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I believe the ability to sue somebody for a criminal action, even if they've been acquitted in criminal court of said action, is largely unique to U.S. law. Our European friends tend to be confused by this. Not sure where (or if) this is covered generically in Wikipedia but perhaps we could link to it in the article.&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  01:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
Picture caption "Simpson with daughter, Sydney Brooke, 1987" has the wrong date. Photo was taken Feb, 1986.

128.178.105.28 (talk) 18:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed; checked on flickr.  Chzz  ►  18:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Other arrests and Legal Problems
O.J. Simpson had another arrest in Miami-Dade County, Florida on July 4, 2002. Articles can be found pertaining to this on the internet AND it can be found on the Miami-Dade County Clerk of Court Criminal website search engine. He was put under arrest after Law Enforcement stopped him for speeding through a Manatee Zone with his boat. His boat also had an expired registration. If convicted, he faced up to 60 days in jail. I posted this arrest earlier in this article and someone else idiotically removed it, saying that " Speeding in a boat is not a legal problem". As a future attorney, I can tell you that it IS an arrest AND a legal problem and needs to be at least mentioned and cited in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluestreak147 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

If I Did It
Why not put "If" in superscript in book title?

Football
They need to talk more about Simpson's football career here. Every other Hall of Famer has many sections devoted to it. For Simpson, it's like "oh, let's get this football crap out of the way so we can talk about the murder!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.145.152 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 64.221.153.2, 19 November 2010
"Dragnet 1967" in the Film section should be changed to "Dragnet 1969" It is Episode 3 of Season 3 in Dragnet: 1969 The episode is called "Community Relations"

64.221.153.2 (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Done See below. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 64.221.153.2, 19 November 2010
"Dragnet 1967" in the Film section should be changed to "Dragnet 1969" It is Episode 3 of Season 3 in Dragnet: 1969 The episode is called "Community Relations"

64.221.153.2 (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Done Corrected, and I added a link to the specific subsection of the Dragnet article. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Cdcornish, 30 December 2010
I would like to add a picture of OJ Simpson's first wife and family with his first wife. http://www.allstarpics.net/0021952/010110482/marguerite-l-whitley-pic.html

Thank you

Catherine D. Cornish 03:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Doing so would appear to be a copyright violation. --Nlu (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Econr6, 17 January 2011
Please change

"In Florida, a person's residence cannot be seized to collect a debt under most circumstances. The Goldman family also tried to collect Simpson's NFL pension of $25,000 a month but failed to collect any money." to "In Florida, a person's residence cannot be seized to collect a debt under most circumstances. The Goldman family also tried to collect Simpson's NFL pension of $28,000 per year but failed to collect any money."

because sports illustrated corrected the error, but wikipedia hasn't. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_mccann/09/18/hearings/ "Correction: O.J. Simpson's pension is $28,000 per year, not $25,000 per month as we previously reported. We regret the error."

Thanks in advance.

Econr6 (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC) ✅

prison not jail
Jail refers to county jail. So the graphic that says "up to 33 years in jail" is incorrect. He is in PRISON. It's annoying how people seem to think it's the same thing. I guess they think apartments and mansions are the same thing.

Someone please fix it. It's not letting me. Grim Littlez (talk) 03:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. I am now able to fix it and have. Grim Littlez (talk) 03:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ironside
The link to his first series Ironside leads to a disambiguation, it should be: 'Ironside (TV series). Hijisk (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC) ✅

"Proffessional Career"
The "Proffessional Career" section title is misspelled. Can someone please change it to "Professional Career"? Budrow21 (talk) 21:20, 8 September 2011 (UTC) ✅

Edit request from Davidjeong95, 22 March 2011
LET ME EDIT!

Davidjeong95 (talk) 04:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * In general it takes four days and 10 edits to the wiki to become auto-confirmed. — Bility (talk) 14:40, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

In Criminal History, it should include "While held in jail during his trial, O.J. Simpson made a full confession to a visitor that was overheard by a guard standing next to a door where the two were meeting. The prosecution tried to get the guard to testify in front of jury in his criminal trial, but Judge Ito did not allow the testimony.  The argument by the defense was that the visitor that O.J. confessed to was a "spiritual advisor", and thus privileged, similar to confessing to a priest or a rabbi.  This was confirmed by one of O.J. Simpson's Dream Team attorneys, Barry Schneck, to a classroom full of law students where he teaches at Santa Clara Law School, Santa Clara, California."
 * Please indicate an other source(such as here : O.J.Simpson ), not only the mention of this Santa Clara seminar. Otherwise, it can not be included here.--Pierre et Condat (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

An NFL game in 1968(?) nicknamed the "O.J. Bowl"
I'm putting this on the discussion page because it's just from my memory and a little too informal to put into the main article. There was a game between the Steelers and the Eagles nicknamed the "O.J. Bowl" because it was thought that the loser would get first crack at drafting O.J. Simpson. The Eagles won that game, 12-0, on 4 field goals by Sam Baker. But it was the Buffalo Bills who ended up drafting Simpson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 19:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

In the page for 1968 Pittsburgh Steelers season, it refers to a different game as the O J Bowl. The Steelers defeated the Eagles, 6-3; the only scoring was field goals. I find this:

>This game was dubbed the "O.J. Bowl" as it was rumored that the losing team would get to draft O.J. Simpson. He would eventually be drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

There was a 12-0 win by the Eagles that season against the Detroit Lions (not the Steelers), and it did have just those 4 field goals by Sam Baker.

Section on OJ Simpsons' time in San Francisco is factually wrong
The page claims that OJ Simpson was traded to the 49ers for a second round pick, when in fact the 49ers traded a first-round pick which was the first overall pick for OJ Simpson. The line also seems to have subversive bias. It says that Simpson played two "unremarkable" seasons in San Francisco.67.169.25.132 (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The Pro Football Hall of Fame says Simpson was traded from the Buffalo Bills to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for 2nd round draft pick in 1978 (DE Scott Hutchinson), 3rd round draft pick in 1978 (WR Danny Fulton), 1st round draft pick in 1979 (LB Tom Cousineau), 4th round draft pick in 1979 (DE Ken Johnson), and 2nd round draft pick in 1980 (RB Joe Cribbs). You're spot on on that "unremarkable" is a tad POV.  I've made an edit, accordingly. TJRC (talk) 20:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The Niners traded 5 picks, one of which was the first overall pick; yet the article states that the Niners traded only one 2nd round pick (note: that has been updated).  Even though I mentioned only one pick, the article should be updated to reflect the facts.  The article should state that one of those picks was the first overall (1979).67.169.25.132 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)67.169.25.132 (talk) 20:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

RR Nev conviction for Cal Murders
Please add these known key facts - to the discussion: Many felt that OJ was RR/ed for the Nevada offenses due to lingering general concensus that he was guilty in the Cal Murders; however, no one could convict OJ of those murders if you only consider briefly, the clear fact that a cell phone was found alongside the Goldman boy which places another person at the scene of the murders; and realizing that, no one could any longer convict OJ, without that 4th person being located, brought forward and cleared, as you cannot assume that the murderer was OJ and not that 3rd person, leaving a clear reasonable doubt and NO ONE able to convict OJ. Then, RR/ing OJ for the Nevada offenses in which his co-actors are given white wash, small sentences becomes more clearly a RR job for OJ with his being given 33 yr sentence. /s Cam OJ Heisman 69.121.221.97 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC).

Why not of the introduction sentence to say "and convicted felon"? In other weekee articles, like of Scooter Libby, it includes the word "convicted felon" as if to take a jab at the person. Liberal bias of weekeepedifiles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.23 (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Rushing yard ranking (1/2/2012)
Simpson gained 11,236 rushing yards, placing him 2nd on the NFL's all-time rushing list; he now stands at 17th. -> "He now stands at 18th." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macjr97 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 December 2011
In the "Career Highlights" section, there should be inclusion of OJ's 1973 Hickok Belt win.

97.96.92.5 (talk) 01:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Puffin  Let's talk! 23:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Here is a link, although the Wiki page for the Hickok Belt itself displays his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.92.5 (talk) 06:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Done.  Chzz  ► 03:10, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

the 33 year sentence
Anything about how the harsh penalties for his recent conviction are widely seen as "making up for" the murders for which he was found innocent? 71.206.188.10 (talk) 07:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

PAT
Under the heading "College Football" and the USC UCLA game, what it "the PAT" which decided the game please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whangarei (talk • contribs) 02:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * point after touchdown. Powers T 15:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 August 2012
In the first sentence about Simpson, where it says, "''Orenthal James "O. J." Simpson (born July 9, 1947), nicknamed "The Juice", is a retired American college and professional football player, football broadcaster and actor," Instead it should say, Orenthal James "O. J." Simpson (born July 9, 1947), nicknamed "The Juice"''', is a retired American college and professional football player, football broadcaster, actor, criminal and convicted felon. I believe this change to be necessary due to the fact that Simpson is indeed a criminal and that should be stated along with all of the other "things," that he is. If he wasn't a celebrity, his wiki would likely only read, "convicted felon."

Jhillzer07 (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He is notable even without the felony incident. The incident is just a side point and is mentioned elsewhere in the article. Electric Catfish 23:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Career Highlights and Awards" section
Under "Career Highlights and Awards", there should be mention of Simpson being a member of the "Single Season 2,000 Yards Rushing Club" and of him being a member of the "10,000 Rushing Yards Club". He was the first player to rush for over 2,000 yards in a single season, and the only player to do so in a 14 game season. Barry Sanders met both of these criteria as well; and both of these accolades are separately mentioned in the sidebar on his page.

Barry Sanders Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders 2,000 Rushing Yards Club Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_rushing_yards_club Wiki Page showing his 10,000 total rushing yards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_rushing_yards_leaders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.100.106 (talk) 00:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Pension
Although his NFL pension seems to be correct, he gets other pensions from being a pitch man and sports broadcaster. Possibly nearing 25k/month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.195.70.226 (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231381,00.html

http://www.kiss1045fm.com/pages/Mack.html?article=9997908 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.195.70.226 (talk) 20:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 October 2012
October 20 2012 was not a Friday.

98.165.217.96 (talk) 01:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Thank you. Cresix (talk) 01:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

NFL season link
Shouldn't the 1969 link beside Buffalo Bills link to the AFL season rather than the NFL season? 188.221.79.22 (talk) 12:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. I'm not a fan of those years being wikilinked, but I see that many big-name American football players have years wikilinked in the infobox, so I have gone ahead and done this since the Bills were still in the AFL in 1969. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

just ordered to pay 35 mio $
as it says in the source, he was ordered to pay, but didn't pay much at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:8C0:1F:B5BC:9173:2C36:3C4E (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Filmography factually omitted "O. J. Simpson: The Interview (1996)"
There is no mention of this movie on the OJ simpson timeline: http://www.amazon.com/O-J-Simpson-The-Interview/dp/B0001EJKBK 24.21.138.140 (talk) 07:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 May 2013
OJ claims his lawyer botched his case regarding armed robbery and kidnapping charges. OJ Simpson will go to court and take the stand to raise questions about how his lawyer represented him during his 2008 convection armed robbery and kidnapping conviction and his failed appeal to the Nevada Supreme Court in 2010. If OJ is successful a judge could rule that he deserves a new trial and if he is granted a new trial the prosecutors would have to decide whether to retry him or offer a plea deal sparing the time and expense of another trial.

Perfectvisions (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I added a sentence about the hearing date and the AP reference. The rest is redundant; the previous source from October already provides most of that information. -- El Hef  ( Meep ? ) 16:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

NFL Pension amount wrong
OJ's NFL pension is listed as $28,000 per month, yet the listed supporting footnote links to a Sports Illustrated article on NFL pensions and it specifically says OJ's NFL pension is $28,000 yearly. At the bottom of the SI article, it lists a correction that wrongly had earlier called in a monthly pension, and that article appears to have been corrected to yearly. The OJ page here needs to be corrected to "yearly".Rain252 (talk) 02:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2014
108.160.19.64 (talk) 19:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

My suggestion into the OJ simpson case is when the oj simpson case occurred when he (Oj Simpson) came home as any normal person would (You know what I mean). When he found them while having sex(ETC normal or nasty). Than Oj came into the house than they put their clothes on and than the couple panicked on oj because oj might have told them in a medium tone. Why are you sleeping with my wife without even telling me about this honey? (Talking to both his wife and affairing friend of OJS Wife. Than when the conversation got heated the boyfriend got upset and attempted to kill him with a knife where OJ used his martial arts skills and NFL skills to take the knife away as a mode of defense. Than when the affaired friend dropped the knife, oj s wife attempted to run for the knife and than she ran at OJ simpson where Oj took the knife away than quickly killed them both because OJ had no other choice or he would die and that would be the final briefcase issue to resolve that case as purely self-defense.

Posted by Raymond Owens (Regina,Sk,Canada)

Not done: Your request appears to be your personal theory, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia. It is considered WP:NOR "Original Research"... the phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. Marteau (talk)

Career Stats Box
Why aren't his here? I get all the criminal sections but every player of his caliber has their NFL stats?--Monstermike99 (talk) 01:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD "Wikipedia:Be bold (WP:BOLD) can be explained in three words: 'Go for it'." Marteau (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Basic Information
O.J.'s height and weight should be listed on the front info box. Almost all athletes have this, but O.J. doesn't. It should also be added because it is worth being in an encyclopedia

Robert (talk) 22:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This article from the NFL Stats website states he is 6'1" with a weight of 212lbs. According to this article dated july 2013, he is 300lbs suffering from terminal diabetes. As the picture clearly shows he has gained a lot of weight which he has admitted to gaining in prison. 31jetjet (talk) 04:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)31jetjet


 * I don't understand. I don't care what your citation claims - it is clearly WRONG. Since when does Wikipedia condone incorrect facts simply because some source can be found for them? Should we also state that the Holocaust and the Moon landings were faked? Ridiculous. I suggest that any weight information be DATED as he is clearly much over 96 kg. Date it or remove it. There is no reason why the NFL would know his weight after he retired in 1979 at the age of 32 - he is now almost 67.  Using data from before 1980 is simply misleading.  I also think that his numerous convictions for violence and felonies should be added to the box. Also, aren't there credible claims that he was tearful and suicidal during the White Bronco Chase incident?72.172.10.114 (talk) 01:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2014
AT THE END OF "LAS VEGAS ROBBERY" SECTION -- current news reports and legal standing:

In January, 2014 it was reported that Simpson had been diagnosed with brain cancer and was requesting a pardon from President Obama

However, even if the report of cancer is true, as the convictions were for state crimes, only the Nevada Board of Pardons Commissioners would have jurisdiction in his case.

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. although your first two references seem sound, your third reference is incomplete, so I do not know which page you were referring to. Although this page of the Nevada pardons site says "the power to grant a pardon does not extend to crimes committed under federal laws" I cannot find a Nevada page saying that "as the convictions were for state crimes, only the Nevada Board of Pardons Commissioners would have jurisdiction in his case". Can you please complete the reference you were trying to add? Thanks Arjayay (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Arjayay - no offense, but it should be common knowledge that the US Federal justice system and the State systems are independent. The POTUS can no more pardon O.J. than the Nevada governor can pardon someone convicted in Maine. The fact that you seem to be asking for "proof" of this indicates, clearly indicates, that you have NO business editing this section at all! Unless there is some specific provision in the State of Nevada Constitution, or possibly under State law, any request to POTUS is worthless. Incidentially, the two reports are almost certainly wrong - that is, they are idle gossip of the chattering class.72.172.10.114 (talk) 01:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Broadcaster?
Is it correct to claim that he was a broadcaster? I know he was a sports announcer, and appeared as a 'talking head', but is the correct term for that "broadcaster"? Why not simply announcer and football analyst?72.172.10.114 (talk) 01:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2014
In the college football career section two very different numbers are given for the number of yards that he rushed for in 1968. In the first paragraph it says that he rushed for 1,880 yards in 1968. In the fourth paragraph, it says that he rushed for 1,709 yards in 1968. The one in the fourth paragraph is incorrect. I think that the number given in the fourth paragraph for the number of rushing touchdowns in 1968 is also incorrect. The number given is 22. According to sports-reference.com, it should be 23.

The reliable source that the college section contradicts itself is the section itself. Read it. It gives two different rushing totals for 1968. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.68.245.11 (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Peazey (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I couldn't see any 1968 stats at sports-reference.com, please supply the exact link at which you saw the 1968 stats. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 00:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

As of 2007 (based on existing ref)
Change sentence in intro:
 * Current version: In 1997, a civil court awarded a judgment against Simpson for their wrongful deaths; to date he has paid little of the $33.5 million judgment.
 * New version In 1997, a civil court awarded a judgment against Simpson for their wrongful deaths; he has paid little of the $33.5 million judgment.

Thanks, 72.244.204.103 (talk) 02:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Note: This article is no longer Semi-Protected, so you can now edit the article yourself, but please ensure that any additions are properly sourced, to reliable sources and you maintain a neutral point of view - Arjayay (talk) 07:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Changed to "as of 2007"... 72.244.204.68 (talk) 23:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

islam
need a better source as oj did not announce he plans to convert to islam as it refers to a 'source' that told the National Enquirer 80.1.219.140 (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I took it out. If he does indeed convert and reliable sources confirm it then it should go somewhere in the article, but not the lede, which should simply summarize why a subject is notable.LM2000 (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

outdated main photo
Why include an ancient photograph from a 1/4 century ago? That makes this article look somewhat like an OJ fan site. To provide more accurate info show what he looks like now.


 * You are presumably referring to the image at the top of the article. There are two obvious reasons for this image:
 * The image from 1990 shows the article subject as he appeared during the peak of his acting career. It is common to use images of a person during or near the end of their peak public career for biographical articles as this is how people are best known to the general public.
 * The image is freely licensed. Due to his current circumstances, it is extremely difficult to obtain a recent image that is freely licensed.  Non-free images are not usable due to Non-free content criteria.
 * --Allen3 talk 01:18, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2016
In the filmograpy table, you need to add "American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson"

Adscool09 (talk) 05:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: "American Crime Story" is a dramatization of the Simpson trial, and has an actor portraying Simpson. The Filmography section is for media appearances of Simpson in actuality. Marteau (talk) 08:52, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2016
UserMeth (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC) You have some date errors and spelling errors that bother me.
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Might need protection
Hello Wiki friends..

Might I suggest this page be protected for a while as an enormous bombshell is about to be dropped on this case, it has come to light the (suspected) murder weapon has been found and has spent the last 20 years in the possession of an LA police officer that decided to simply keep it as a souvenir of the case when it was discovered. The knife is currently being tested to determine what evidence (if any) remains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.47.107.169 (talk) 12:45, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Garsh! I guess we'll file this one away under, "Simpson, OJ, tin-foil-too-tight."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.0.133 (talk) 04:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2016
Please change the date of O.J. Simpson's father death from 1986 to 1985. The source is Jeffrey Toobin's book The Run of His Life: The People versus O.J. Simpson on page 45.

Jfisherpccam (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Deleted MalWare Link
I deleted footnote 10 ("were from Louisiana10" because it led to what was apparently a MalWare download site. (PeacePeace (talk) 04:22, 7 August 2016 (UTC))

Edit request
On O.J. Simpson's page, it shows his inmate number. I'd like to request that that be removed because it's not safe for that to be public information and simply put, it serves no purpose. Thank you. Well1224 (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It may not serve a real purpose here, which can be debated, but to say "it's not safe for that to be public information" doesn't make sense. Every state allows you to look up an inmate, just as I just did for OJ at http://doc.nv.gov/Inmates/Home/. If it was found to be unsafe, they wouldn't do it. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Birth name parameter
I don't understand the hostility, but this page uses Template:Infobox NFL biography, which as you can see in the instructions does not normally use the birth_name parameter. If there are other instances of birth_name being used with this infobox, let me know and I'll be happy to remove it from those as well. His birth name is given at the very beginning of the article. There's no need to also include it in the infobox. We cram enough into these infoboxes already. Lizard (talk) 06:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and delete. If you want to make this your mission, here are a few more: Joe Montana, Dan Dierdorf.   Kamel  Tebaast  17:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Grammar Edit Needed
Under the section Professional Football Career, Buffalo Bills, the second paragraph starts with the following sentence:

"Simpson came into professional football with high expectations,[21][22] However, but struggled in his first three years, averaging only 622 yards per season.[23] "

The word "However," needs to be removed.

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Biased article
This article appears to be biased and very much downplays the Brown/Goldman murders. Although he was acquitted, there is still much controversy surrounding his case and it is widely believed that he was guilty. Even his attorney and friend Robert Kardashian believed in his guilt. The article does not reflect this side of the story and belittles or does not even mention the evidence against him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fritzandjane150147 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
O.J. Simpson granted parole by Nevada Parole Board ^http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538331255/o-j-simpson-granted-parole^ 139.94.112.190 (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
In the first paragraph, "... most famous for his "alleged" murder of his Nicole Brown-Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. ": should be qualified to read "... most famous for his "alleged" murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown-Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. " Kangfucius (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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October 1st
The page says that OJ will be released on October 1st but that is not set as of yet, the earliest he can be released is October 1st but an exact date has not yet been set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4A:403:3F70:913:C3E1:628B:7436 (talk) 04:21, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I've amended that. Blurryman (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2017
Change: The Bronco from Simpson's police chase was on display in Pigeon Forge's Alcatraz East Crime Museum as of the fall of 2016.

to

The Bronco from Simpson's police chase is on display in Pigeon Forge's Alcatraz East Crime Museum.

Thanks! :) Drish21 (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
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How did he avoid the draft?
There is no mention of how he avoided his military obligation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.173.196.200 (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * His date of birth was covered by the draft lottery of December 1, 1969. July 9th came in 277th. The highest number called up that time was 195. http://www.sss.gov/LOTTER8.HTM 99.40.198.205 (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Many athletes can't pass an army physical because of injuries. Many pro athletes are almost cripples by their 30s. Many high school players have bad knees, ankles,... (myself) that get a 4f. 2601:181:8301:4510:5591:FCD7:ED:F10E (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit Suggestion
In February 2001, Simpson was arrested in Miami-Dade County, Florida for simple battery and burglary of an occupied conveyance for allegedly yanking the glasses off another motorist during a traffic dispute 3 months earlier. If convicted, Simpson faced up to 16 years in prison. He was put on trial and quickly acquitted on both charges in October 2001.[31]

Simpson faced up to 16 years in prison, but he was quickly acquitted on both charges at trial in October 2001.[31] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.232.207.86 (talk) 06:57, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

16 years for yanking off glasses - in Florida he's lucky it wasn't the death penalty. What jerks. 2601:181:8301:4510:5591:FCD7:ED:F10E (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Bad wording in legal history
The legal history section says "Simpson was a person of interest in their murders. Simpson did not turn himself in".

Simply being a "person of interest" did not oblige OJ to "turn himself in". You're expected to turn yourself in when there's a warrant. Can somebody come up with a sentence to insert between these two to close the gap? I forget the exact sequence of events with the flight out of town, the low speed chase, and the upgrade from person of interest to wanted man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vox Sciurorum (talk • contribs) 12:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Suggestions
I have seen that Lee Harvey Oswald has been named as John F. Kennedy's killer on Wikipedia; I suggest the same be done to O.J. Simpson and name him as the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia so this article presents the accepted version of the events according to reliable sources. Various sources (Vincent Bugliosi, Jeffrey Toobin) have resulted in the consensus that reliable sources state that O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. If you disagree with the current status, you are welcome to bring your concerns to the article talk page. The legal contexts of "burden of proof" and "presumption of innocence" apply to someone who is being tried for a crime. Although Simpson was found not guilty in a court of law, reliable sources firmly establish his culpability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.66.241 (talk) 22:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Just give it up. OJ is a Liberal darling, so there's zero chance of that happening. Just be grateful they included that information at all, I've seen mod bias do much worse on here. When the admins are 97% left/far left, as they are on wikipedia, a balanced approach is impossible. Republican figures will always be painted as monsters, and liberal/dem figures will always be painted in a positive light. Even felons. Also, since most articles stay in permanent protected limbo, nothing the average editor can do to correct the imbalance. Wikipedia stopped being an open source of shared info years ago. Its now an intellectual dictatorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.212.30 (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Released from Prison
He was released in 2017. Do we know where he went? Is he living in FL? CA? NV?

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 18:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Great that you asked. I honestly thought we was still serving time. Here's an AP update from June.—Bagumba (talk) 18:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Remove "People with antisocial personality disorder" tag from article.
There has been no citation given that bears out this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoblessBone (talk • contribs) 13:48, June 26, 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ The article was also categorized for people with narcissistic PD. There are no citations that say he has been diagnosed with either. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:35, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Oj’s middle school
Oj went to Everett middle school in San Francisco and his cousin Mr Monroe works there and has pictures of Him at their family reunion 107.77.205.230 (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The contribution is appreciated, however, if you'd like for this information to be added you would have to post an accessible reliable source that corroborates this (see WP:RS). If you can produce one it would definitely be OK to add it to the article. John.k.newton (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Possible category addition
Would it be appropriate for OJ Simpson to be placed into the category Violence against women in the United States? 2001:569:78BA:4A00:6492:1F66:629B:8A14 (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Neutral viewpoint
I have seen that Lee Harvey Oswald has been named as John F. Kennedy's killer on Wikipedia; I suggest the same be done to O.J. Simpson and name him as the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia so this article presents the accepted version of the events according to reliable sources. Various programs (America Crime Story, Made In America), as well as the overwhelming evidence in this case, has resulted in the consensus that reliable sources state that O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. If you disagree with the current status, you are welcome to bring your concerns to the article talk page. The legal contexts of 'burden of proof' and 'presumption of innocence' apply to someone who is being tried for a crime. Although Simpson was found not guilty in a court of law, reliable sources firmly establish his culpability. Additionally, I suggest that the words,"the crime remains unsolved to this day", be removed. The murders are not an unsolved case; if anything, a more appropriate word for it is "Unresolved". Most of those involved are certain now that O.J. Simpson is guilty of the murders, although he can never be re-tried, since he was acquitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.104.69 (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The Warren Commission said Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. 'American Crime Story' is not The Warren Commission. I'm sorry but we can't do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KENGRIFFEY24 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The Warren Commission was formed under explicit orders to: announce that they have concluded after investigation that Oswald was the killer and that he acted alone, and to adequately convince the general public of this. Citing their authority as reliable is not the best justification...


 * The simplest reason for why we can say one thing about Oswald but not about Simpson...2 reasons, actually, though they are somewhat related: one, Oswald is dead. He was shot three days after Kennedy was by Jack Ruby (who himself died a few years later, allegedly of rapid onset cancer while awaiting a new trial after his conviction and death sentence had been overturned on appeal). Because Oswald is dead, he cannot be the victim of libel. Simpson is not dead. Two, Simpson was acquited, and though Oswald was never convicted, neither was he acquitted (because he was dead). Firejuggler86 (talk) 01:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2017
The article states that his San Francisco City College team beat Long Beach State in the Prune Bowl. No, LB State is a four year college and doesn't compete with junior colleges. The opponent had to be Long Beach City College. Roy Mason (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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The text "City College won the Prune Bowl against Long Beach State, and many colleges sought Simpson as a transfer student for football.[12]"should be removed and replaced with "O.J. Simpson appeared in the Prune Bowl played between San Francisco City College and Laney College of Oakland, California. The game was played at San Jose State's Spartan Field. Laney's defense focused on O.J., holding him to minimal yardage. Laney College won the game."Wikixab (talk) 18:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. Eye witnesses don't count. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 01:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2021
1965 Prune Bowl San Francisco City College versus Long Beach State should be San Francisco City College versus Long Beach City College 107.198.85.69 (talk) 22:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The cited source there says Long Beach State. Please provide reliable sources for this change to be made. Alduin2000 (talk) 00:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2021
Remove spaces in name. Should be O.J., not O. J. Acole1012 (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If that's the case, we should have a move request, as this would involve changing the title of the article as well, which requires consensus. For a topic as notable as this, we should ensure consensus exists before requesting such a change. ASUKITE  03:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2021
Change the date of O.J. career years with the 49ers, he only played with them until 1979 not 1982 174.193.132.77 (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2021
Change: Simpson began acting while at USC after winning the Heisman, appearing on Dragnet 1967 in a non-speaking role as a potential recruit to the LAPD. TO: Simpson began his acting while at USC, appearing on Dragnet 1969 in the uncredited role as a potential recruit to the LAPD.

Simpson has a line in this episode, hence it is a speaking role. It comes at approximately 8:30 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsbaAo04Lt4. He is not listed in the credits at the end of the episode.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0565610/?ref_=ttep_ep3 Shows this episode airing Oct. 3, 1968 which is before he won the Heisman in Nov. of that year.

Each season of the 1960's Dragnet series had a different year designation. The episode Mr. Simpson appeared on was "Dragnet 1969" as the above link to the episode shows.

The referenced Los Angeles Times article is in error on these points. Jah1963 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Only the following was changed: appearing on Dragnet 1967 in a n non-speaking uncredited role as a potential recruit to the LAPD
 * The year the episode aired needs reliable sourcing as the content on IMDb is user-generated, and the site is considered unreliable by a majority of editors. –– FormalDude  talk  06:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

The name of the program is "Dragnet 1969" and is visible at the 1:45 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsbaAo04Lt4. For completeness, the show's credits appear from 24:46 to 24:55 of the video. Mr. Simpson is not listed in the credits.

The purchase page for the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75nJBzC4_Y also shows "Release date Oct. 3, 1968". I am not sure if this qualifies as reliable source, but the LA Times article referenced is not a contemporary source and it has at least three errors (title, credit, speaking) as sited above. Hence, my suggestion to remove "after winning the Heisman" as it is in dispute and there is not a reliable source for it. Jah1963 (talk)
 * I've removed any reference to a date since it is disputed. –– FormalDude  talk  07:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2022
Please change

The State of California claims Simpson owes $1.44 million in back taxes.

to

In 2007, the state of California claimed that Simpson was owed $1.44 million back in taxes.

The source is from 2007. It's quite unlikely that he still owed $1.44 million fifteen years later, either because he would have repaid much of the amount, or because interest would have increased the amount he owed. And it's possible that the state could have reassessed his tax debt, either up or down. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Opinion: lead
Personal opinion: I don't think listing "convicted felon" in the opening sentence as though it was his job is particularly professional. For example, the opening sentence in the Charlie Sheen article doesn't end with "and a non drug addict who was fired from a popular sitcom". It is more appropriate to add another sentence in the first paragraph that addresses the crimes.


 * I agree, so I've removed it. Please feel free to propose specific wording for a new sentence.  (For future reference, don't use "Tld|" when applying the "edit semi-protected" template; it causes the template to be linked instead of included.)  Powers T 14:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Your personal opinions notwithstanding, that is not how Wikipedia works. Firstly, it is different from Charlie Sheen because O.J. Simpson is currently in prison. He is a convicted felon; that trumps Sheen being an addict. There is plenty of precedent for this. See: Aaron Hernandez, Eric Naposki, Michael Milken, and Bernard Madoff.  Kamel  Tebaast  04:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * It should have stayed removed. Moral judgements don't belong on Wikipedia, and his felony is only a tiny part of why he is notable.174.0.48.147 (talk) 21:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Simpson's (or anyone else's) status as a convicted criminal is not a moral judgement - it's fact. And, yes, it's a fact that constitutes a large part of his notoriety and "relevance" of today. Throgmo (talk) 00:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jimmy Lee Simpson
In the early life section, this article mentions how O. J.'s father announced he was gay and later died of AIDS complications. However, there seems to be a lot of conflicting info regarding this. Obituaries at the time state the cause of death as cancer rather than AIDS, and as far as I can tell Jimmy Lee never publicly "announced" he was gay. The first mention of him passing from AIDS comes from the Toobin biography of O. J. cited in this article, though Toobin doesn't seem to cite sources in regard to that.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/492780278

https://medium.com/queertheory/the-story-of-o-j-simpsons-gay-father-4156d4e68d6e

https://www.bustle.com/articles/165587-who-is-oj-simpsons-father-jimmy-lee-simpson-was-a-mysterious-figure

Perhaps that section could be reworded? Thoughts? 185.69.144.62 (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023
Would be interesting to add "The story of O.J." song by Jay-Z into the list of media representation. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 12:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * See MOS:CULTURALREFS. Feel free to identify reliable sources and suggest the text.—Bagumba (talk) 13:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Typo
First line of second paragraph should say "he" prior to "won the Heisman Trophy".

Simpson played college football at the University of Southern California, where he won the Heisman Trophy as a senior, and was selected first overall by the Bills in the 1969 NFL Draft. MuriaClaire (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2023
Change (equivalent to $61 million in 2022) to (equivalent to $63 million in 2023) 91.183.190.20 (talk) 11:49, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Inflation-adjusted figure is calculated by a template and should update automatically in 2024. Xan747 (talk) 16:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 10 January 2012
"I don't know how to edit such articles on Wikipedia, but I'd like to suggest that See Also or External Links consider this http:KGOV.com/Simpson of the widely reported protest and burning of O.J.'s memorabilia bought at auction in Hollywood and then burned on the steps of the L.A. courthouse. That link has links to People Magazine, BBC, AP, LA Times, LA's CBS 2, etc., all of which with a hundred other media outlets reported this event. Just an idea. Thanks.sug"

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2023
I would like to add a citation to the statement: "According to Arnold Schwarzenegger, Simpson was considered by director James Cameron to play the eponymous character in The Terminator (1984) when Schwarzenegger was cast as Kyle Reese, but Cameron ultimately cast Schwarzenegger as the Terminator while Simpson had no involvement in the film."

The proposed citation is: "Arnold Schwarzenegger says O.J. Simpson was nearly cast in 'The Terminator' but producers didn't think he could 'be sold as a killing machine'". The article can be found on Insider at the following link: https://www.insider.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-oj-simpson-terminator-killing-machine-2023-6. Naje1987 (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Long Beach State is wrong
Should say Long Beach City College HyperAlphaXRay (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you you have a reliable source for that?  seems to suggest it might still have been informally referred to as Long Beach State, even if the campus had a different name at the time.—Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2024
Add "convicted felon" to the front of the list of all the things OJ is. 2601:282:F00:12E0:7D1E:F99E:9DD6:E04B (talk) 21:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please see Crime labels. The crime he was convicted of is appropriately discussed in its own paragraph in the lead – simply pretending 'convicted felon' would not be appropriate here. In this case in particular, this label would also be extremely confusing to readers when the actual crime he was convicted of is not discussed until three paragraphs later. Tollens (talk) 23:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024 (2)
He died today on april 04 2024 194.182.143.10 (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done thank you! Star action  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024
Change all "is" to "was", and add a "Death" section Thegingiraffe (talk) 14:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done - in lieu of a "Death" section, the information about his death was added to the "Personal life" section  Star action  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024 (3)
O.J. Simpson died on April 10, 2024. Life.aslivi (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Editors are updating the article. Thank you!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024 (4)
Change "Norberg" to "Nordberg" in the "Acting career" section.

OJ Simpson actually played Det. Nordberg (with a 'd' in the middle) and not Det. Norberg in the Naked Gun films. See here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095705/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm

The character of Det. Norberg (without a 'd' in the middle) was played by a different actor in the TV series. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Squad!#Cast Cuddles76 (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2024 (5)
Found liable for double murder by a civil court 96.236.21.61 (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Add "Music" section to "In popular culture"
Can a "Music" section be added to "In popular culture" with a reference to the song "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" by Good Charlotte? The line "Well did you know if you were famous you could kill your wife / and there's no such thing as 25 to life / as long as you got the cash to pay for Cochran?" is a reference to Johnnie Cochran successfully defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial. Samerickson89 (talk) 15:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We can't add every pop culture reference of OJ Simpson to this article, that one included. For starters there's far too many, and second the list would be totally arbitrary.-- Rockchalk 717 22:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Accessibility
This article ran afoul of several accessibility issues, including MOS:COLOR, MOS:TABLECAPTION, WP:ALT, MOS:COLHEAD, and generally semantics issues per MOS:DTAB. I have changed this and quite frequently when I do, someone comes along and removes these with the weirdly hyper-conservative thinking, "I don't know what this is, so I'm removing it". Please do not undo any of these required changes and maintain proper accessibility and semantics in this and all other articles. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Broken sentence that needs rewording
"The verdict Following Simpson's acquittal, no additional arrests or convictions related to the murders were made."

Remove the verdict from this sentence 150.143.27.147 (talk) 06:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks to be gone.—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2024
There appears to be a typo in this line from Personal Life, change 'hated' to 'had' :'In October, Brown called the police to report Simpson being violent again, after he allegedly found a photo of a man Brown hated dated while they were broken up.' 131.111.5.181 (talk) 07:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅—Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Death April 10th 2024
https://twitter.com/therealoj32/status/1778430029350707380?s=46&t=Rtp2vyyLdGfBOgXPoTuzBQ 2601:184:417F:4170:E885:45:152E:AB5F (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I am trying to discern what you would like included in the article. Are you providing a reference to his death via twitter or something else? I appreciate you including this information and also believe that a lot of reputable sources have reported the same information. Jurisdicta (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Moving personal life section below legal section
Thoughts on moving the "Personal life" section below the "Legal history" section? To me it seems a bit weird that his death is covered before his legal history. The only issue I can see with this is that the "Personal life" section includes his marriage to Brown, which could potentially cause some confusion. Star action ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Biographies I've seen usually have "personal life" type sections before any controversy the individual was involved in. Putting the Legal History section before personal life makes it seem like the article is about the cases he was involved in rather than O.J. Simpson. This is just my perspective, but this is an article on him, not his legal cases. Berry (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Opening Sentence
The opening would read better if the last part of the first sentence ("who was convicted of kidnapping and armed robbery") was removed and the first and second sentences were combined. As-is, too much weight is given to kidnapping and robbery, but those events are not primarily what O. J. was known for. Both the murders and the murder trials were much more important. 172.12.73.96 (talk) 17:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree and have removed it. I believe that Wikipedia editors as a whole are biased towards wanting to call someone who has been convicted of a felony a "convicted felon" in the first sentence, even in cases where they shouldn't. This is one such example as his conviction is low down the list of what he's known for. I kept the first two sentences separate, however. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Short description
The short description says "American football player, actor and convicted felon" but the lead only says "American football player and actor". There should be some consistency here. 150.143.27.147 (talk) 21:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'll remedy that – Muboshgu (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image
Which of the following images would work best for the infobox? --150.143.27.147 (talk) 19:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Don't fix what ain't broke. Option 1, the status quo, works the best.  Bremps  ...  23:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also noting that Option 2 may run into WP:BDP issues until the Juice has been dead a hot minute.  Bremps  ...  23:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * BDP aside, there's serious WP:NPOV issues using that mugshot in the lead when he was acquitted. —Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That only leaves Options 3 and 4 remaining, along with the status quo. Option 3 has a weird light/dark split along the middle of OJ's face. Option 4 is probably a copyright violation (see Commons page). I think this settles the debate.  Bremps  ...  18:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Clearly 1 is the superior image... two is undo as a mugshot... three has odd shading to it.... and four is the lowest quality image I think I've ever seen. Moxy 🍁 18:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Abuse of Nicole mentioned in lead?
Should this be mentioned in the lead or not? 150.143.27.147 (talk) 20:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Can you suggest wording you think should be added? It's only mentioned once in the article, in an article this long that normally wouldn't be due for the lead. Valereee (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Can we say he did it now
Now that he's dead (rip to a real one) and WP:BLP doesn't apply shouldn't it should just say he did it? Dan • ✉ 16:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * We can continue to say he was acquitted in a court of law and held liable civilly. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --150.143.27.147 (talk) 17:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Saying he did it isn't (from a legal perspective) an accurate statement. It can be stated it is opinion of some people the he did, but we cannot directly state he did it.-- Rockchalk 717 19:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:BDP is still policy. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This juror admitted that most of them knew that he did it, but still voted to acquit for revenge: https://www.thewrap.com/oj-simpson-juror-not-guilty-verdict-was-payback-for-rodney-king/ ; this other claims that the jurors couldn't possibly make their decision so fast and they likely voted "with the heart", without considering the evidence. Just adding this could be enough, see if you maybe find better sources than the wrap (there's a video of the juror tho). 93.44.200.186 (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:BDP still applies and will for a while, but beyond that, we have to reflect the sources. Most of them don't just bluntly say he was definitely guilty in the article voice, so it's unlikely we'll ever do that, either. Beyond that, if you want to change the article you'd have to dig up the sources you want to use and articulate the specific change you want to make. --Aquillion (talk) 04:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Father and mother
The ABC news announcement of O.J. Simpsons death says: His mother, Eunice, worked as an orderly at a psychiatric ward, and his father, Jimmy Lee, worked as a cook and custodian in a private club. This is never made explicit in the "Early life" section. I suggest that the first sentence of the section is changed to: O.J. Simpson was born in 1947 in San Francisco, California. His mother, Eunice (née Durden), worked as an administrator at a psychiatric ward, and his father, Jimmy Lee Simpson, as a cook, Federal Reserve Bank employee, and a custodian for both a bank and a private club. The ABC news source is already among the citations for the first sentence. Nxavar (talk) 06:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024
I'd like to suggest more background for the 'Illness and death' section on Simpson's chemotherapy treatment, the time of his diagnosis, and his later denials that he had entered hospice care. I had attempted to suggest a larger edit yesterday but the talk page was protected and the alternative method of requesting edits was not working for me, but now most of what I intended to request has already been added in the meantime, so I'll simply suggest this small addition to the beginning of the first paragraph:

"In May 2023, Simpson reported that he had been diagnosed with cancer in "really recent years" and expressed confidence that he would beat it. He also said he was undergoing chemotherapy treatment and had begun smoking marijuana to help with nausea. In February 2024, Simpson denied reports that he had entered hospice care in a video posted on Twitter. In the video, Simpson stated "I don't know who put that out there [...] but I guess it's like the Donald says: can't trust the media! [...] All is well!" Simpson did not provide further details on his cancer treatment. Later that same month, it was reported that Simpson was undergoing treatment for prostate cancer. "

150.143.118.239 (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Seems a bit WP:NOTDIARY.—Bagumba (talk) 07:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

info
I propose we refine the following: "His father was also a well-known drag queen in the Bay Area. Later in life, Jimmy Simpson announced that he was gay. He died of AIDS in 1986." I don't know how else to say this, but it just does not sound right. Pilotnance (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox template
I switched the infobox in the lead to Infobox person back in December with the NFL player infobox module embedded. This was for two primary reasons: 1. Simpson is notable for many more things than his football career; and 2. Infobox NFL biography excludes a number of parameters, which would be useful for this article in particular. According to MOS:INFOBOXUSE, the purpose of an infobox is to "to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. [...] The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." Facts like those about Simpson's marriages, have received wide, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources, and, as such, are included in the body of the article. There's no reason that this information, which is arguably of as much interest to readers as key facts about Simpson's football career shouldn't be included. User:Rockchalk717 has repeatedly attempted to revert back to the NFL player infobox, claiming that other information is "pointless" and not notable. To prevent an edit-war, I am seeking input to obtain a consensus on this subject. Rockhead126 (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is the Person infobox literally adds nothing worthwhile to the article. The person infobox only exists for if there's no other infobox that applies to the person. The way you are presenting the person infobox adds exactly zero to the article. Date and location of birth: covered by NFL infobox, date and location of death: covered by NFL infobox, college: covered by NFL infobox. So that leaves spouse and children. The spouse parameter is for notable spouses only (per the infobox page) and only one spouse was notable and that's the one he was accused murdering, and children quite frankly isn't that important of parameter. You keep using his murder accusation, his criminal conviction, and his acting career as your justification for inclusion of that infobox but aren't utilizing any parameters that would include it which doesn't make any sense. Your comments seem to be downplaying his football career. The man is a Pro Football Hall of Famer, College Football Hall of Famer, and a Heisman Trophy winner, the 3 biggest accomplishments you can have as a football player. He's considered one of the greatest running backs in NFL history. His NFL career is notable enough still this day (44 years after he played his final game) that the NFL infobox is sufficient. Yes his criminal record and murder trial contributed to his notability as did his acting career and his career as an NFL analyst but once again the way your presenting the person infobox mentions nothing of these things making its inclusion pointless.-- Rockchalk 717 15:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have a suggestion. We use the criminal infobox, which is almost identical to person. Don't add the college parameter as that can be covered in the NFL infobox. In occupation parameter, we add professional football player, actor, NFL analyst. We include the conviction, we could also include the "known for" parameter and add the page link for the murder trial.-- Rockchalk 717 17:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you both make good points. I would support Infobox criminal Infobox person as the parent template, with Infobox NFL biography embedded. I was considering doing something along these lines myself. Much more than just being an NFL player, Simpson was an all-round celebrity, for better and for worse. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the input! The way I've added the criminal infobox I feel satisfies what me and Rockhead126 both want out of the infobox(s). It keeps a strong focus on his accomplished football career but does bring in what he's known for off the football field.-- Rockchalk 717 18:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Showing "Criminal charge" as "Kidnapping, armed robbery" could give the wrong impression for someone unfamiliar with the case that the murder was part of the same incident. —Bagumba (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Any ideas on how we can prevent that? Should we separate by year and have one for the murder trial and the robbery charge?-- Rockchalk 717 18:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I dont have any ideas offhand. I'm not that familiar with the template, nor edit too much on criminals.  But I guess OJ is not the typical case, being more famous for acquittal than a different crime for which he was convicted. Worst case, the details are in the prose. —Bagumba (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you forget this conversation took place or are you being intentionally stubborn?-- Rockchalk 717 19:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * please revert. There's no consensus to use Infobox criminal, which is meant to be used only for individuals who are best known for their crimes, which is not really the case here. There's no reason to link San Francisco, per MOS:OVERLINK and WP:COMMONTERMS; the link should be removed. Nor is there any good reason to pipe ", Nevada" inside the link to Las Vegas (which probably shouldn't be linked either but, since it isn't delinked by WP:OVERLINKscript, I'll let this one slide). It's standard to include former spouses so long as Marriage is included, which means it's perfectly acceptable to include his first marriage in the infobox. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Both I and support the use of Infobox person, while you're the only one supporting Infobox criminal. Per WP:BRD, you should revert your edits and discuss this matter on the talkpage. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect information
He did not flee in his friends car, he fled in his own car which his friend was driving. 2603:8090:2900:1351:7449:D1C2:D403:D856 (talk) 22:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Simpson also owned a Bronco, but it was Cowlings' that was in the chase. —Bagumba (talk) 10:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Mike Gilbert
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mike_Gilbert

I have started a discussion as to whether Mike Gilbert is notable enough. Sports agent. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

100m time would be faster than Usain Bolt
This article states Simpson ran 100m in 9.53 seconds. Usain Bolt's world record is 9.58 seconds.

I strongly suspect this is the time for a 100 yard race. Stringer133 (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It was in yards, yes. The cited source is obviously in error. Simpson finished 6th that day (16 June 1967). The race was won by Charles Greene, in 9.21s, which still stands as one of the fastest ever times over that distance, which is why the race is mentioned in the 100-yard dash article. Compare for the full results. Renerpho (talk) 02:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Origin of the first name "Orenthal"
The article claims that his aunt gave him the name Orenthal, which she said was the name of a French actor she liked, without questioning this story, or giving the original source of the quote. The source given in the article is from 2000; and there, the supposed origin of the name is only mentioned in passing. It is a widely reported claim (how much of that due to Wikipedia?), but there are reliable sources that contradict it, and those should be mentioned.

For instance, according to Sheila Weller, who is already cited elsewhere in the article, The received wisdom is that she thought she had heard that Orenthal was the name of a French actor, but Eunice Simpson has told a close friend that Orenthal was the name of a wellrespected local church organist.

The ultimate source for the "Italian actor story" seems to be an interview with Life Magazine that O.J. himself gave in 1967, in which he said the following: The only thing she [my aunt] ever told me about Orenthal was that it was the name of some French or Italian actor [...] I don't know, maybe she was loaded or something when she came up with it. While I haven't been able to track down an online copy of the actual Life Magazine article from 1967 (it is subscription-based, here), the Daily News source should be good enough to change it to "French or Italian actor". Renerpho (talk) 20:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I added the Italian part here. The Life source was on Google Books.—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Renerpho (talk) 14:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:African-American golfers
Can this category be added to the page? OJ played golf for a very long time and was very enthusiastic about the sport. 150.143.27.147 (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, as it's not an important, defining part of what he's notable for, as he wasn't a pro golfer, so it's WP:NOTDEFINING. Joseph2302</b> (talk) 20:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Found another OJ Hertz ad on Wikimedia Commons
Can be used on the article or is it another copyright violation? 150.143.27.147 (talk) 19:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. I've went ahead and nominated it for deletion. If the decision is to keep it then we can look at including it in the article. Renerpho (talk) 00:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Typo?
"stated that his cremains will be given to his children"

Should that be remains instead of cremains? 75.142.254.3 (talk) 23:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks OK https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cremains —Bagumba (talk) 10:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * That's not a commonly known word though. Remains is much more widely known and thus easier for readers to understand. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I had initially reverted it as a typo, but then saw it was used in the cited source. It was a learning point for me, which you might consider a positive or a negative. —Bagumba (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added a wikilink. Cremains exists as a redirect to cremation, where the term is explained in the lede. Renerpho (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Unreleased film
Does anyone have any information on the unreleased film Nicole & O.J.? Moving to talk page there 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

They have dropped the trailer; I have a feeling many boycotts are bound to follow. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Section in the "In popular culture" section that needs updating
"In 2018, it was announced Boris Kodjoe would portray Simpson in a film titled Nicole & O.J. The film was never completed."

The film has been retitled The Juice and will be released in 2025, so it is no longer accurate to say the film was never completed. 150.143.27.147 (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The Towering Inferno 1974
He had a minor role in the film. Needs to be added to his Film credits. 72.128.73.168 (talk) 10:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It was there originally. Seems to have removed for unexplained reasons. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 17:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Should be added back in. --150.143.27.147 (talk) 19:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2024
The paragraph where Latasha Harlins's murder is discussed uses male pronouns for Soon Ja Du. These should be changed to female pronouns since Soon Ja Du is a woman. Belliette10 (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jamedeus (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2024
In the very last sentence of the lede, the phrasing "lived in freedom" strikes me as bordering on bias.

My suggested revision:

He served his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center in rural Nevada until being released on parole in 2017. Simpson was granted an early discharge from parole in 2021. He died of cancer at the age of 76 in 2024. 2600:100A:B1CE:1EF1:0:24:60B1:F701 (talk) 05:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. It's possible the death doesn't even need to be mentioned in the lead per MOS:LEADBIO: —Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That was fast, thanks!
 * I see what you mean, but I think right now if the death isn't in the lede, you will get umpteen requests to add it, lol. Maybe after some time goes by? 2600:100A:B1CE:1EF1:0:24:60B1:F701 (talk) 05:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Pop culture section
I feel that the section in regards to Simpson and portrayals could be trimmed slightly or rewritten. For example, the sentence “BBC TV's documentary, O.J. Simpson: The Untold Story (2000), produced by Malcolm Brinkworth, "reveals that clues that some believe pointed away from Simpson as the killer were dismissed or ignored and highlights two other leads which could shed new light on the case."” doesn’t seem important to this particular article and fits more better on the “Alternate theories and suspects” section on the murder trial article. The mentions of OJ: Trial of the Century (2014) and O.J. Simpson Trial: The Real Story (2016), fit more suitably on the article too, as is The Lost Confession? (2018). I think a Concession is needed and only should mention portrayals of Simpson by actors, much like how the Nicole and Ron articles mention portrayals on film. Something like;

===Portrayals=== Simpson is portrayed by:
 * Bobby Hosea (1995) The O.J. Simpson Story (TV movie)
 * Gerald Rush (2004) Reenactment of the Century (short film)
 * Cuba Gooding Jr (2016) The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story
 * Gene Freeman (2019) The Murder of Nicole Brown Simpson
 * Boris Kodjoe (2025) The Juice

92.17.198.220 (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Who portrayed him is trivial, short of it being an award-winning performance. Per MOS:POPCULT: —Bagumba (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Conviction

 * Your edit added "Murder" to the charges. The problem is that "Criminal penalty" doesn't show which charges he was convicted of, so someone could mistakenly believe he was convicted of murder instead of being acquitted.  Not sure how this can be best clarified.  In Infobox criminal, there is conviction, described as Crimes individual was convicted of (Dates of conviction).  However, this page is now using Infobox person.—Bagumba (talk) 04:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * That's a fair point, I'll remove it if it hasn't been already. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * According to the documentation for Infobox persons the "Criminal charges" entry is "For convicted criminals only". I removed the reference to the murder charge. Nxavar (talk) 09:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

How should we treat Simpson's “culpability” in the murders; neutral or adamant?
A legal verdict is not required for scholars and historians to draw their own conclusions based on the evidence: they may conclude that a person that was actually acquitted of some crime was, in fact, guilty; or visa versa, they may conclude that someone who was convicted was, in fact, innocent. Although Simpson was acquitted in a trial, reliable sources, such as Jeffrey Toobin's book The Run of His Life: The People v. O. J. Simpson (1997), firmly establish that he killed Brown and Goldman. I think to say I think it is very easy to write it when the evidence is so overwhelming. It is WP:BLP's standard, which, obviously, does not apply to someone who died years ago. We quite frequently describe deceased people in ways that imply or presume guilt; once someone has been dead for long enough that there's no longer a BLP-level risk of harm, the standard shifts to the same one we use for everything else (ie. what do the preponderance of the best available sources use, with perhaps some additional weight needed if the claim is WP:EXCEPTIONAL.) Otherwise we would have to cover almost every historical figure's article with "alleged" this and that - especially murderous or genocidal dictators, heads of state, etc., who were often never convicted of any formal crimes. WP:BDP applies; while WP:BLP may apply for some period after death, that's exceptional, would only apply to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or particularly gruesome crime and is comparatively brief. Well, I think it could be seen that those "living relatives and friends" might be just not wanting to believe it. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * reliable sources firmly establish that he killed Brown and Goldman I highly doubt that, as it's not for RS to establish guilt. We should continue to say what we say, which is that he was found not guilty in a criminal trial and liable in a civil trial. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I just thought that the discussion could be suggested in future, particularly as Wikipedia, from the mid-2010s, firmly embraced Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt and has no qualms about naming him as the killer, as officially concluded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lee_Harvey_Oswald#Alleged 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Two suspects of murder are not necessarily the same beyond that. We had a Warren Commission on Oswald. What sources say OJ did it? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I recently gave it away to a shop, but Jeffrey Toobin's book The Run of His Life: The People v. O. J. Simpson (1997) could be argued as one source. I obviously don't have the full argument he used on the page number but as quoted in this article: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/10/books/figuring-out-the-o-j-simpson-trial.html, "Mr. Toobin pulls no punches in this book. He is convinced that O. J. Simpson is guilty of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Lyle Goldman, and he argues that any rational analysis of the events and evidence in question leads to that conclusion." At the very least, it seems that various theories (like "Jason did it" or "intruders did it" are regarded as fringes theories and hardly taken seriosuly), especially as no other "reliable" theory surfaced. There are no definitive answers to any of these questions. Whether one answers “yes,” “probably,” “possibly,” “unlikely, “implausible,” or “no” to these questions will often depend on whether one already thinks O.J. is guilty or innocent.92.17.198.220 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I have retitled the subject, as Simpson was found guilty of robbery.92.17.198.220 (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I am aware this could be a WP:CATV issue, and consensus is not to add Simpson to categories like killers and murderers, because he was acquitted. Obviously, it disappointing he can never be retried, but that's the way it is. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Pretty much that. It's not verified that he committed murder, and it's best to just stick with the facts: he was found not guilty in a criminal trial and liable in a civil trial. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

For the sake of a "test", I have done several edits to Ron and Nicole’s articles naming OJ as killer, after which it can than be changed to reflect a neutral stance, if in case one day, we do name him as the killer 92.17.198.220 (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * And someone else reverted them. —Bagumba (talk) 07:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we can make an FAQ above as to why the article is to remain neutral in regard to guilt or innocence. What we need is an edit filter on the page (and the article itself, I suppose) which, if the submitted edit contains the word "alleged", blocks the edit and throws up a message referring the editor to an FAQ above. I think it would need to apply to all of the peripheral articles too, like Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, not to mention the central article, O. J. Simpson murder case. Anything that's not protected at a given moment tends to get that kind of drive-by edit. There are some reasons why if someone else (or a group of someones) had been involved in the murders (either as the real/actual killer or an accomplice with Simpson), the LAPD would not have charged them. Many positing alternate theories argue that the either the LAPD framed Simpson or conducted a shady investigation that led them to miss evidence of other's involvement (it is also both suggested Simpson killed Brown and Goldman and the police still framed him by planting one or two pieces of evidence) or ignore evidence because they did not want to undermine their public position that Simpson acted alone. Last I checked, Wikipedia policy is not to proclaim guilt if a person if found not guilty by a court of law. That does not mean his is innocent as we all no, but it does not Wikipedia should not state that position. We can state that many people believe he got away with murder and that the president ate trial was more convincing of his guilt. We also have to acknowledge though that others feel differently and think he was framed or that he was at least not the sole perpetrator in the murders. While many people over the years have stated they believe the evidence points to Simpson indeed being the real murderer and having acted alone, some people have posited alternate theories for the murders in which either one or more other suspects committed the murders or in which Simpson did not act alone. I'm not defending any "fringe theories" regarding the Simpson case. As a matter of fact I am pretty sure that Simpson committed the murders, and that it is likely he had no accomplices but if we're going to have to divide how people feel about the case, in varying ways, it only makes sense that we should have FAQ detailing the neutrality towards Simpson’s guilt or innocence. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Ironically, the 2025 film "The Juice" is coming which will present a version of events in which Simpson did not commit the murders. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 21:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_(1980%E2%80%931999)#1990%E2%80%931994

Brown and Goldman appear in the 1994 article on "unsolved murders". user:Aquillion says that sources don't generally describe it as unsolved, but more generally, lists like this aren't generally linked as a see-also; this isn't an emblematic "unsolved murder" that would justify it as a core connected topic. In particular, "unsolved" appears nowhere in the article body. All else aside, this isn't a great see-also because it isn't central to the topic - we would need significant amounts of coverage describing it first and formost as an unsolved murder (with no qualifiers), and a significant amount of the body discussing how it's unsolved, before a generic list like this would make sense as a see-also. And it's just unlikely that that sort of coverage exists or would be WP:DUE. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 09:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * More relevant for Talk:List of unsolved murders (1980–1999).—Bagumba (talk) 14:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

This will be the last time addressing the issue, and I suppose only time will decide, but with his recent passing, and with no evidence to support "alternative theories", it wouldn't be surprising if one day, Wikipedia officially breaks the issue and names Simpson as the killer. I think every person who will examine the case thoroughly will think he almost certainly did it. Not even a 0% chance that he didn't do it. Even if you were to argue otherwise, he might as well have been standing right next to whoever did it. The fact he never launched any official search for the "real" killer, and seemed content to try to enjoy life, even making "bad taste" jokes, clearing referencing the murders (His banana stabbing of Ruby Wax and "Juiced" reality show) really show how cruelly he treated Nicole's death. 2.100.74.138 (talk)
 * And reverted again., Stop doing this. Meters (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Square One TV
The OJ trial was parodied on the educational TV series SQUARE ONE TV in the form of a skit in which a carpenter is accused by his king of faulty measurements in building a new bed for the Queen. The carpenter's attorney proves his innocence by showing that the king's feet are bigger than the carpenter's feet (the actor playing the role of the king wore clown shoes for the role). The skit was meant to show why the original Royal foot - the length of a man's foot - was faulty.Glammazon (talk) 04:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)