Talk:Ochrophyte

Phylogeny nonsense
The references are all wrong in the phylogeny section. Ruggiero et al is NOT a phylogenetic analysis, it is a list of taxa. And the other reference is a french textbook (though doesn't look like any official one I've seen before) that copies phylogenetic trees from very outdated sources. This happened also in Cercozoa, where the edits previous to my own referenced the same french book (and the cladogram shown in the Wikipedia page didn't even match the one in the book, an even weirder occurrence). I'll try to update the phylogeny here as well. ☽ ☾ 19:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Actinophryida in the phylogenetic tree of Ochrophyta
(User:Snoteleks) Thanks for the recent revision. My answer: Why is Actinophryida kept to be a possible sister group to Raphidophyceae? This is not supported by either of the recent references to the cladoram (Barcyté 2021, Bringloe 2020, Graf 2020, Derelle 2016) with only one exception (Cavalier-Smiths 2018) and is not in compliance with the last sentence of the section Phylogeny and its reference (Azuma 2022). Also Adl et al. 2019 (very respected reference) does not consider Actinophryida as part of Ochrophyta. IMO it should be put out of the tree, even if it is marked by "?".

Is Wikispecies the reason?

(Well, is only a minor thing in the contrary to a complete mess in the intro of Actinophryid, e.g. considering Heliozoa aspart of Straamenopiles!). Petr Karel (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It is supported by older 18S rDNA analyses, so until Azuma 2022 gets confirmed by other analyses, I would rather not outright delete them off the ochrophytes (although I would love for Cavalier-Smith to be proven wrong already). Let me know if my latest additions to the phylogeny section clear things up. —Snoteleks (Talk) 13:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I agree. I also had to correct my oppinion about the Actinophryid article, after I learned that enwiki stil uses Heliozoa in a broad polyphyletic meaning. --Petr Karel (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Petr Karel Is there someone/somewhere where Heliozoa is considered a taxon? —Snoteleks (Talk) 12:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)