Talk:Preadolescence

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Comment
This article lacks citations and parts of it read like the hypothesis of a keen postadolescent.

It also implies (or at least the article that linked me here implies that 'Tween' is a generally recognized term applying to a preadolescent. If it is (which I don't think it is), it needs a clearer definition here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.24.108 (talk) 13:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the current state of the article. Lacks citations? Where? Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Tween term also has another meaning
Tween and Tweens also refers to polysorbates, a class of emulsifying agents. These products use to have a warning that they caused histamine release in some people, that has evaporated in the pharmaceutical literature, a side point. Interesting that some Covid vaccines have these tween products in them, yet no advice to take anti-histamines prior to vaccination.

→ Addressed these differences in terminology under the ""Tween" redirects here. For other uses, see Tween (disambiguation)." Saw that the disambiguation also covered the Tween 20/40/60/70 polysorbate emulsifying agents and has redirect links to it. Anguyen19 (talk) 22:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Workflow for Improvement
Rationale for Improvement: Preadolescence manifests as a critical part of human development, with stark psychosocial and physical changes in an individual’s life. As future physicians, we have the opportunity to console and educate patients with these life changes.

This is an S-class article, a start-class article with plenty of room for improvement. There is a 59% completeness score with roughly 397 views/day.

Initial Analysis: Although the article makes an attempt at distinguishing preadolescence from prepubescence, we can improve public health education by making it more clear that puberty can happen at either the preadolescent or adolescent stage. Concerned readers may also be interested in timing of onset, such as early or delayed puberty in respect to preadolescence and adolescence. Although the article also links Tanner Staging, it may be beneficial to summarize some of the overall findings in this article. This can be an area of improving public health education.

The psychological development section presents an overview of preadolescent worldview and self-identity that is often too-broad, and maybe not applicable to all individuals at this age. Rash decisions are attributed to “tantrums” and romantic love initiated by AFAB is attributed as being “aggressive”, two specific examples that should be reviewed.

Freud section sounds very academic, lots of primary source quotations. The common reader may benefit from greater sentence clarity/brevity.

Many of the sources seem outdated (dating from the 1970s through early 2000s). It would be helpful to include more recent sources, as well as more scientific articles regarding neurological and hormonal development.

Overall organization, What changes: Article begins with a definition of “preadolescence” including its normal timing. The first major section discusses prepubescence, puberty, and age range, while also discussing the origin of common terms including “tween” and “preteen”. The article then discusses psychological development, especially with regards to differences from younger children, in terms of view of life, perspective on human relationships and self-identity, as well as effects of divorce and media. The section ends with a discussion on Freud, including a definition of his term “latency”.

What to add: Preadolescent/prepubescent/tween terminology - distinguish between slang and scientific usage, Tanner staging https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/teen/Pages/Stages-of-Adolescence.aspx

Section: Neurological & hormonal developmental changes

Social development with peers and authority

Affirming gender identity and sexuality during preadolescence

References/Primary source in Freud (just summarize it)

What to remove: Hx. of Tween terminology - J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings (or move to terminology)

“with 'girls carrying out all the romantic interest....preadolescent girls' romantic pursuits often seem to be more aggressive than affectionate.”

What to augment: Puberty in adolescence/preadolescence.

What to decrease coverage of: Freud and psychoanalysis

Group Members: AN – Terminology, Social Development, Freud research + writing

KO – Hormonal changes of puberty research + writing

AT – Neurological changes, Tanner staging, gender and sexuality research + writing Anguyen19 (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggested Add: Social Development in Preadolescence
Social Development in Preadolescence

Link to: Socialization

Prior to adolescence, children may have a dependence on their family as their main agent of socialization. This helps the child establish their attitudes, viewpoints, social norms, and societal roles.

Among these changes is the shift from elementary to middle (or junior high) school. In this unfamiliar environment, the child may find the pressure to rapidly adapt and fit in. Here, children start to spend less time with family and more time with friends. At this time, socialization by the school and peer environment can become more predominant, as the preadolescent starts to learn more about how they would wish to hold themselves during interpersonal relationships.

While children find this need to fit in, preadolescents have a conflicting desire to establish their own individualism. As the child grows into the transitionary period of preadolescence, the child often starts to develop a sense of autonomy as the child is exposed to a larger world around them full of sudden and unfamiliar changes. Compounded with a sense of self-consciousness, the preadolescent starts to explore their own self-identity and their role in society further.

Anguyen19 (talk) 18:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Peer Review Feedback
Your group has done a great job of editing the article so far! I agree that the addition of Tanner Staging, Social Development, Neurological Development, and Gender and Sexuality to this article is relevant and important. I think the last sentence of Neurological Development may be missing a citation. For the terminology section, consider a minor reorganization: have the first sentence introduce the idea of different slang for the preadolescent stage, instead of immediately talking about a particular slang word (tween). The second sentence in that paragraph would also be a good introductory sentence, and you can move the explanation of tween after it. Great job improving the article! Orcas713 (talk) 05:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Peer Review
Great changes made to the article! It is very readable and is organized well. I think that an area that could be improved on is in terms of pictures. In the Tanner Staging section, I think that the milestones could be summarized by either a table or an image. Other minor changes:
 * In the sentence "White matter volume increases at a relatively linear rate from ages 4 through 22, at a rate of about 12%, specifically focused in the frontal, parietal, and occipital lobes." --> I would change it to say "White matter volume increases at a relatively linear rate of about 12% from ages 4 through 22, specifically focused in the frontal, parietal, and occipital lobes."
 * I think this sentence "Middle children often begin to experience infatuation, limerence, puppy love, or love itself, though arguably at least with 'girls carrying out all the romantic interest....preadolescent girls' romantic pursuits often seem to be more aggressive than affectionate." is a bit odd in terms of the romantic pursuits, I would consider rewording.
 * I think that the sources in the Psychological Development section were a bit old - if you are able you, I would suggest looking into more recent sources.

Overall, great progress has been made! Tennisace97 (talk) 05:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Peer Review
Really great work so far! - the Lead Section is nicely concise. Usually these sections are summaries of all other sections, so maybe add a sentence or two about the psychological or social development of preadolescents. - with the Tanner staging, a table/list/image would be more visually appealing and easier to compare stages, rather than just text - lots of informational text in the Neurological and Psychological development sections, would be helpful to have a picture of some sort (if possible) - Article body has relevant headings/subheadings, tone is neutral, and content is great - the Freud section appears out of place; would consider adding in the Psychological development section or add other psychologists' theories on this life phase, for completion or neutrality A.lame.win (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)a.lame.win

It doesn’t make sense
The topic for pre teen or pre adolescents never makes sense. Pre adolescents a time just before puberty since adolescents is considered between puberty and legal adulthood but then you got pre teen that’s referring to “before teen” so it makes no sense calling a 13 year old a pre teen because they are 100% not and adolescents as it says starts when one is rom puberty to legal adulthood witch means adolescents starts at 12 the most more less so(witch is what Poll wise parents say things change). All of these words and what is being said with the misleading ranges and all contradicts one another. 2600:1700:A9B0:6B90:6989:D23E:5A20:99E6 (talk) 19:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2022
Hi, I'm reading the Lord of the Rings, and I just noticed he describes Frodo as a "tween" when he moves in with Bilbo ("At that time Frodo was still in his tweens, as the hobbits called the irresponsible twenties between childhood and coming of age at thirty-three."). I thought "wow, maybe he invented it, it's in italics and everything!", and a quick Google showed an etymological history not much better than here (a couple, including wiktionary for tweenager, say unknown origin - 40s, or 50s).

Thought it was an interesting tidbit, and didn't know how to write it properly even if I could edit this page! Double J (talk) 09:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. edit requests are for specific changes you want to be made to the article, not asking for others to write things in for you. you should request some prose, preferably backed by reliable sources, that you would want to be written into the article. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい 12:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * dammit, bad ping. @Cjjones. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい 12:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Could a middle childhood page be recreated to bridge the gap between early childhood and pre-adolesence?
Or would it be unnecessary? It is a distinct stage according to psychologists, covering from approximately 6 to 9 or 10 years old. Such an addition would help bridge the gap and make the child development pages feel more whole and complete, but I do not necessarily want to clutter things up. Some definitions overlap with early childhood or preadolescence, but there is usually a distinction.

https://dictionary.apa.org/childhood Schwarbage (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

request from changing 9-12 to 9-13
R6fortnite (talk) 11:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Where do you want the changes? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 12:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2024
Can you change it from 9-12 to 9-13, 13 year olds still act like preteens and aren't in high school R6fortnite (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It looks like the cited sources use that range so that's what is used here. Tollens (talk) 20:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source that supports that change? OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)