Talk:Pronunciation of GIF

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could yall cool it with the minor editing? I was really hoping to complete bilorv's challenge to get this to GA in under 50 total edits... twould be quite appreciated if you feel so inclined :) of course, I don't own the page, but y'know theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 10:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh haha, sorry :D. As far as I can tell there isn't anything left to improve though. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh sure, I agree with the above comment; its a nice article. Its amazing how few challenges can really motivate a person. I am trying to do 'Wall-to-wall coverage', but its awfully difficult. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * oooof theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

new sources to add

 * https://www.lefigaro.fr/langue-francaise/expressions-francaises/2016/12/06/37003-20161206ARTFIG00038-faut-il-dire-gif-ou-jif.php
 * http://www.slate.fr/story/147891/prononciation-mot-gif-depend-pays theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:40, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Tip, there's a refideas template just for this, to list potential sources for an article. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Article title
I think that simply Pronunciation of GIF in English is better for the article's title as "English" is not ambiguous in this context. I also wonder, should "GIF" be italicized in the display title? Ruбlov (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Interestingly enough, searching and scrolling through other Wikipedia articles turns up... not much in terms of precedent. Thanks, Michael Dow. I find myself drawn to English pronunciation of GIF, or English-language pronunciation of GIF if we want to disambiguate. Other possibilities are dropping the "in the English language" qualifier entirely and adding "English" somewhere in a section heading (I like this one too), Pronunciation of GIF in English (as suggested), and retaining the current article title. thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, it's Rublov. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think Pronunciation of "www" is the most directly analogous existing article title. Not sure I like the quotation marks, though. Ruбlov (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * +1 for Pronunciation of GIF in English. It's more WP:PRECISE than "English pronunciation of GIF" and more WP:CONCISE than "English-language pronunciation of GIF" and the current one. I don't think quotes are necessary as long as the word is italicized with DISPLAYTITLE (cf Capitalization of Internet). Nardog (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I still like "Pronunciation of GIF" best, since GIF is an English word (so this feels like unnecessary precision), but it is what it is. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comma addresses the topic in a worldwide fashion by starting off with a detailed use in English, and then shunting off every other language to another section—and the comma isn't even an English invention, right? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And there's Pronunciation of "www", which, again, treats it as an English word that happened to spread to other languages. yeah, I think moving it at all was a mistake. I want to move it back now? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Would be fine by me, not sure what the rationale for the last move was in the first place. Nardog (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry to reping, but what do you think? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think "Pronunciation of GIF" is fine as long as other languages are treated (as much as possible given the available sources). A455bcd9 (talk) 21:52, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have the strongest opinion; I suggested the move to potentially ward off arguments of bias, but if it needs to revert back, that's fine, too.--Gen. Quon[Talk] 14:06, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * aighty :) I gotta add those sources from A455bcd9 now- sorry for the trouble, all! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

NASA
Quote:
 * A similar acronym discrepancy arises with NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration, pronounced ).

I don't have access to van der Meulen, but it isn't mentioned in the Mental Floss article at all. As a non-native English speaker, this seems odd - I have always pronounced the first A in NASA the same as the A in "Aeronautics". byteflush Talk 00:25, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah this is not a very good example because for most Americans it would be (Mary–marry–merry merger), while $⟨a⟩$ rarely if ever corresponds to it when not followed by $⟨r⟩$. Nardog (talk) 00:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Year of White House Tumblr post
In the text it's stated that the the White House's account on Tumblr made the post in April 2014, however, if you look at the lower left corner of related image it says April 2013. RulesForThee (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

French vs France
The source for [6] is about France's pronunciation of GIF, not French. There is absolutely no way to tell what the usual pronunciation of the word is in other part of the francophonie based on that article alone. It is a mistake to say this is French's pronunciation without further evidence. On the contrary, we have evidence that hard g is the favored pronunciation of Canada, where 30% of the population is French-speaking. This paragraph is missleading and just wrong based on the evidence presented in the article. Please change the word "French" for "France". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.208.137.2 (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Rewritten with better sources. Nardog (talk) 20:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That new source is still 100% France, nothing about the rest of the francophonie. 216.208.137.2 (talk) 15:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What is the evidence that hard g is the favored pronunciation of Canada you speak of? Nardog (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Final sentence in Background needs 2 more simple edits
What a terrific Article!! I really enjoyed it, and appreciate all the good work that’s gone into it. I’m a newby copy editor and just deleted the article ‘the’ from the ABC News link at the end of Background (based on standard usage). I decided against 2 other changes I would normally make, because of the FA status / delicacy: —- 1) I believe that the ABC News (Australia) link should be pure, not restated / truncated. This is the more important of these two items, because of inherent naming confusion.  ——  2) I also recommend that the attached Ref be moved much closer to the link. Happy to discuss my reasoning if that’s useful. Thanks again for this great gorgeous gift! — no gibberish anywhere in it. 💐 Best wishes, Left Central (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Background: animation?
The phrase "GIFs are popularly used to display short, looped[1] animations" is grossly misleading when immediately following a sentence about their invention in the 80s. Gifs of the 80s and pre-jpg 90s were most often static pictures: I don't recall any animated gifs in the old days, and the Smithsonian Mag article (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/brief-history-gif-early-internet-innovation-ubiquitous-relic-180963543/) backs up my recollection. The quoted sentence should be moved to a later location, and instead the second sentence should note that gifs were originally used for still images. I don't know how this got past the Featured Article review. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 23:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I disagree. It's pretty clear to me that the second refers to modern usage. If it refered to the past, the sentence would be in the past tense.
 * Besides, their original use isn't exactly relevant to the pronounciation of the acronym either way. It certainly has it's place in the main article, but not here. 66.131.141.123 (talk) 20:33, 23 August 2022
 * We literally used animated GIFs in 1995.208.44.170.115 (talk) 19:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Why Is This An Issue?
I am having trouble figuring out why this is even an issue. There is a simple, general rule English that Gs before Is and Es are soft, most other cases, hard. This is particularly true at the beginning of a word. The few exceptions are some very old Norse or Germanic words like girl, and the forms of give, and sometimes when the G is part of a diagraph. But gif is none of those things. It's a new, one-syllable word so there is simply no reason it shouldn't be pronounced soft, as in jif. There is no argument for a hard G that makes any sense. Venqax (talk) 23:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Your little essay is original research. As the article states, GIF derives from Graphics Interchange Format, and "graphics" is not pronounced /ˈdʒræfɪks/. Summer talk 10:21, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The article addresses both of your arguments, and should explain why they aren't definitive and why there is no scholarly consensus on a "correct" answer. In any case, this talk page isn't for discussion of the article's subject. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it is not "original research". It is not research at all, just pointing out a fact of English that anyone with a bit of education should know. Hence the question. Why is this an issue? Second, no, it's not addressed. Where "gif" comes from is a non-issue. It's not an abbreviation, it is being used as a word. Words follow word rules. So nothing has been "addressed", except that some people... you know the rest.Venqax (talk) 20:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * A comment on the talk page is not "original research". It is a discussion point. Furthermore, the "GIF derives from Graphics Interchange Format" is a cop-out for the people who don't want to relinquish their mispronunciation due to an informational update. While the "G" does stand for "Graphics", no one calls "JPEG" "Jay Feg" because the "P stands for Photographic". So, either we should start saying "Jay Feg" or drop this ridiculous "what the letters stand for" argument.208.44.170.115 (talk) 20:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a forum, y'all, let's keep it to discussion on how to improve the article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent point, 208.44.170.115. Pointedly avoiding the issue is not the same as addressing it. Venqax (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)