Talk:Sakhalin

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''Initial text from 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. Please update as needed.''

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--Menchi 04:40, Jul 31, 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the last sentence of the opening paragraph, "Now, the opinion which should return Karafuto (Sakhalin) and the Chishima Islands to Japan and to carry out is also the world," as it seems like a poorly translated tag to the paragraph--TKE

Merge with Sakhalin Oblast.
It seems to me that the tradition here on Wikipedia is to use the same article from both the geographical area (such as an island) and the political entity if the latter has the exact same borders as the former. See examples such as Tasmania, Corsica, Sicily, Cuba and so on. The only exception to this rule that I know of is the Taiwan, but that's apparently due to the complicated political status of the island. With Sakhalin, however, it's political status as a Russian territory is undisputed. So, what does everyone think? --212.74.201.233 (talk) 10:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Modern Sakhalin Oblast seems to also contain the Kuril Islands, which probably were not a part of historical Sakhalin, especially the early historical era when it was referred to by the Manchus as the island at the mouth of the black river. It's doubtful whether they knew the Kuril Islands even existed. For example this map of the Qing dynasty in 1821 shows it containing Sakhalin island, but not the Kurils:




 * Is there any historical evidence that the Kurils were considered the same geographical entity as Sakhalin island? Qiushufang (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * strong oppose (and would rather suggest WP:SNOW declining this proposal), not "exact same borders as the former" at all to start with. Sakhalin Oblast == Sakhalin (island) + Kuril Islands. Bests, --Seryo93 (talk) 21:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Extremely strong opose as above and that you would merge the Kuril Islands with the Island of Sakhalin, pretty much. Kuril Island have WAY MORE DIFFERENT HISTORY, so NO. Mausebru (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * So are neither of the 3 editors above bothered by the fact that the province of Sicily includes multiple nearby islands (e.g. Lampedouza with their total area larger than the area of the Kuril isles? As does Cuba? There are other examples but i am not sure i should even bother, you guys dont seem to factcheck any of your own statements that you make on wikipedia. I thought this site would have better users. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 18:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I am also not sure what the editors are supposed to infer from the map posted above? If the map includes the Sakhalin but not the Kurils that means... What, exactly? This makes 0 sense to me. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 18:33, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Cuba refers to a country. Sakhalin refers to the island of Sakhalin and not the Kuril islands. It makes sense that they each have their own articles because they refer to different entities and have different history. Qiushufang (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , exactly! They are indeed different entities and have different history. Sakhalin, for example, has had a continuous uninterrupted Russian presence since mid-XIX century (even after Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5 Russia/USSR retained a foothold on the island, the only exception being a brief Japanese occupation of Northern Sakhalin during the Russian Civil War, which was reversed in 1925), whilst Kuriles were, at some time (1875-1945) entierly outside Russia/USSR — and, partially (southern ones), are in sovereignty dispute today. And well, the Cuban example actually works against proposed merger, when we consult RS (Britannica): Cuba is a single article for an island and a country, whilst Sakhalin has one article for island and another for oblast. Bests, Seryo93 (talk) 20:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose, not an improvement at all. Apcbg (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. Sakhalin Oblast is an administrative division, a human-made geographic entity with human-made boundaries. This article talks about the island of Sakhalin, a geographic entity with clear natural boundaries. NotAldariasky (talk) 05:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. As already mentioned, Sakhalin Oblast refers to the federal subject of Russia specifically which also includes the Kuril Islands, while the Sakhalin article is about the island itself. Mellk (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. Of course, no. Danloud  (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Sakhalin is about the geographical island itself, Sakhalin Oblast is about the geopolitical subsidiary of Russia so to summaraize... no — SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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Nothing on Culture
I would like to see a subcategory or discussion on the culture of Sakhalin.

It’s alarming that we have info on their economy and transportation and resources but nothing on the local daily culture and lifestyles and values of the people. This seems important for global education as the media doesn’t cover this region and yet it’s such a massive economic driver and island. 133.159.150.116 (talk) 06:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Western Gray Whale
A very small point, but I didn't want to make a change since a hyperlink is involved, but according to the IUCN, the subpopulation of the Western Gray Whale that feeds off the coast of the island has rebounded sufficiently to be moved from the "critically endangered" list to the "endangered" list. Amocito0113 (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)