Talk:Snake Island campaign

Requested move 1 July 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to 2022 Snake Island campaign. Consensus that the article has since evolved from the initial Russian attack and capture of the island, and this is not just an occupation. Thus, the alternative 2022 Snake Island campaign is more viable. The presence of Battle of Fidonisi and Battle of Kyiv pages support having 2022 in the title. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Snake Island during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine → Battle of Snake Island (2022) – A battle occured Panam2014 (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source? HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and Alternative to Snake Island Campaign or whatever one of the titles were. Dawsongfg (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and Alternative to what I stated in the Article Names section: Russian occupation of Snake Island. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Disagree with this proposal as this article is different from the other 2022 Russian occupation articles. Super   Ψ   Dro  23:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't we have one for Odessa oblast even though they'll never reach? Dawsongfg (talk) 17:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , not that I am aware of. It should just be Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Sumy, Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Donetsk.  Kyiv Oblast isn't needed since majority of the occupational time is captured in the various battle articles and none of them besides Chernobyl had much occupation information. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What about the Chernihiv Oblast? Super   Ψ   Dro  23:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well regardless the others are about oblasts, this is about an island in one oblast. Though still major, not the entire oblast. Dawsongfg (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support either "2022 Snake Island campaign", "Battle of Snake Island (2022)" or "2022 Snake Island attacks" in that order. I don't think the current title should be kept in the long term. Super   Ψ   Dro  23:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support alternatives - Snake Island campaign or Battle of Snake Island, there haven't been other Snake island campaigns or battles, so there is no need to add the year to title.--Staberinde (talk) 09:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See Battle of Fidonisi. Super   Ψ   Dro  14:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Fidonisi" is Greek. "...which in Greek WAS" clearly that means something. Dawsongfg (talk) 20:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fidonisi is now Snake Island. Someone before 2022 could have searched for the 1788 naval battle using the modern name instead of the Greek one. Perhaps confusion could happen now that there was another engagement related to the island. It's not too far-fetched. Note that out of all the battles for Kyiv, all but the 2022 one use "Kiev", still we use a disambiguation for the only one (the 2022 one) that does use Kyiv. Super   Ψ   Dro  23:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Dawsongfg (talk) 19:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose to "battle" because that was hardly a battle. "Occupation" is also not good, because it is no longer occupied, but the operations around it will probably continue. I would support the current title as a good descriptive title, and would only suggest to remove "2022". My very best wishes (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sumy Oblast isn't occupied anymore, yet, we have an article titled "Russian occupation of Sumy Oblast", so no reason why "occupation" wouldn't be good due to not being occupied anymore. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:19, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think the use of "battle" implies prolonged conflict rather than, as I understand it, an attack by Russian ships on a military outpost. I think it could be renamed to "2022 Russian attack on Snake Island" or something else to convey that it was more of an offensive and less of a battle. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The article has changed its scope ever since the 24 February Russian attack because Ukraine started bombing Russian positions in the island, for months. So that proposal is unviable. "or something else to convey that it was more of an offensive and less of a battle" I think "campaign" could result useful here. Super   Ψ   Dro  08:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose as proposed; it wasn't a single battle. I also oppose occupation, as the article isn't limited to the occupation.
 * I'm not satisfied with the current title, due to WP:CONCISE, but it is a suitable description; something related to campaign, as Super Dromaeosaurus says, might be preferable. BilledMammal (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ugh. This is possibly the dumbest title this article could be under. "Campaign"? Like pincer maneuvers, outflanking, Napoleon sending in the Imperial Guard while Rommel rolls his tanks across the deserts of North Africa and Hannibal marches his elephants across the Alps? Come on people. This was a small island that got shelled, got shelled some more, got shelled some more, eventually one party left and the other took it and then it got shelled some more. Can we please undo this ridiculous closure?  Volunteer Marek  22:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * No party left, they were defeated and captured. Maybe not a Campaign, but certainly an Operation with opossing forces engaged. On the same topic, and more to the point i was about to ask : Why is there so many disinformation on the Ukranian soldiers section? It was finally clarified by all parties involved the number of soldiers, what happened to them, how, etc etc. As pointed out at the end of the very same Section.
 * Whats the point of repeating all the disinformation that came previously? Wont be sufficient to mention the Ukranian side disinformation attempts with the sources and leave it at that? 2803:9800:9996:74EC:4D:234C:82C2:8B39 (talk) 02:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

"Russian occupation of Odesa Oblast" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Russian occupation of Odesa Oblast and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 17 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 04:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 5 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. Proposal must be made by an extended confirmed user per WP:GS/RUSUKR. (non-admin closure) &#123;&#123;replyto&#124; SilverLocust &#125;&#125; (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

2022 Snake Island campaign → ? – Not a campaign. 90.255.6.219 (talk) 10:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * It’s a series of operations, so technically I think it can be called a campaign. I see some use of “battle for Snake Island” too. I think resolving this properly requires surveying how sources refer to it.
 * But per WP:GS/RUSUKR, non-extended confirmed users may not participate in internal project discussion on the subject, including requested moves, so unless such an editor wants to pursue his RM it should be closed. —Michael Z. 14:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Why is there a link to a youtube video? I thought that only open-source material can be linked to on Wikipedia? Ami-de-la-Terre (talk) 08:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)