Talk:Super 3D Noah's Ark

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Action shot of a goat being shot with drugged fruit.

I wasn't able to fit this in nicely in the main article; could be useful if someone expands the article.

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''The gameplay is accessible to younger children. Noah's ark includes secret passages, food, weapons and extra lives. There are secret levels, and shortcut levels as well. The player eventually comes across a slingshot, and flings canteloupe and watermelon at the larger bosslike animals, like Ernie the Elephant, and Carl the Camel.''

That's the last paragraph. Seems out of place to me, what do others think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.156.2 (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

id Software/Wisdom Tree rumor
I was wondering if this page would be enough of a citation for the rumor. http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/colordreamsshrine1/sn3da.html --Brandon Myers 05:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably bogus. In fact, there is nothing to indicate that S3DNA is licensed at all. It is very likely a completely illegal pirated version of Wolf3D with the graphics swapped out, like those brazillian Master System Games. If they licensed the game and had access to the source, there would likely have been more alterations made that a simple 1:1 graphics swap, which spells "hack" to me.

Oddly enough this is common in bible-themed games. Jesus doesn't respect intellectual property rights, it seems.Frogacuda 03:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That only holds for SNES version. The PC version is not a simple graphics swap of Wolfenstein 3-D. The PC version adds to the Wolf3D-engine texture mapped floors, MIDI-music, quizes, more guns, etc.


 * Brenda Huff works for WisdomTree and says they got the engine from id Software but she doesn't know any further details. This suggests several things. The binary code (ROM) of Wolfenstein 3D was not the source of S3DNA. The source code (engine) came from id directly and not through a 3rd source. Obtaining the engine was unquestionably legal in the mind of Brenda Huff. Note how she points out the legality of reverse engineering, says no laws were broken, and how they did not violate copyrights. Yet, she is nonchalant about the engine acquisition. As if obtaining it could not possibly be illegal in the way that improperly conducted reverse engineer can be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerothis (talk • contribs) 09:27, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

In the book "Masters of Doom", a book that tells the history of id software, it mentions on page 121 that Wisdom Tree licenced the Wolfenstein Engine from id software to make Super 3D Noah's Ark. It doesn't say they were mad at Nintendo for making them tone down the game for the Super Nintnedo port of Wolfenstein 3D. Takuthehedgehog (talk) 02:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

POV
Not that a Christian game stealing code wouldn't be ironic theft, but isn't it uncalled for to specifically say that the theft is ironic in the article? I'm removing it. --Amanaplanacanalpanama 17:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. In addition to being point of view it accuses Wisdom Tree criminal activity without citation.--Zerothis 01:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I talked to one of the programmers responsible for Super Noah Ark, and he said that they did pay for a license of the wolf3d engine, and they made modifications to it. So noah3d is not a simple bootleg ripoff of wolf3d. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.0.118.120 (talk) 20:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

No...what that means is he told you it's not a rip-off. Come on. Christians lie all the time, just like everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.59.183 (talk) 16:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Unreliable source
"This game is the only unlicensed SNES game that has ever been commercially released. id, the people that made Wolfenstein 3D, gave their source code to Wisdom Tree because Nintendo turned down the violence in Wolfenstein 3D for the SNES, meaning id wanted revenge by making an unlicensed game. To play this game, one has to attach another Super Nintendo cartridge to it to bypass the SNES lockout technology; the cartridge itself resembles a Game Genie and has a port on top for a licensed cartridge to lock onto." This part of the article looks exactly like what the Angry Nintendo Nerd said on that one video of his when he criticized this game. And a comedic video isn't exacly a Wikipedia-standard source, funny as those videos may be. Slartibartfast1992 03:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also when he was describing the game, he emphasized that it was a "rumor" before mentioning the story about id Software alleged role making not reliable. Probably too late to mention it because the rumor has been deleted. However never know it might reappear after people out of sudden learn of this game from that video or any other source. --Souphanousinphone 00:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Notable Enough?
Look, I had never heard of this game until the review by the Angry Nintendo Nerd, and all information on this article seems as if it was taken from his review. Never have I even met somebody who knew somebody who played this game, which seems to say how much people know about it. And it should only be slightly listed on an article about the Angry Nintendo Nerd, if it had not been deleted and protected, because (I disagree) they say that the Angry Nintendo Nerd is not notable enough. So, if the "source" you got the whole article from was not notable enough for Wikipedia, then this article probably is not either. Therefore, I come to a conclusion: delete this article. Slartibartfast1992 21:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummm... How 'bout, no? Strange as it may seem, there are plenty of people who heard of/played this game before Angry Nintendo Nerd ever came around.  This game has a pretty unique history, considering that it is the only unlisenced SNES ever released. 72.69.121.54 13:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How about some sources then? Proof that the whole contents of this article are not indeed taken out of the Angry Nintendo Nerd review and that people actually know about this game. Numbers of about how many people know about it would also be adequate. Slartibartfast1992 14:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you provide me with numbers of about how many people know about the Sony PlayStation 3? Seriously, considering this article was created over 2 years ago while (according to the date on the linked YouTube video, at least) the "Angry Video Game Nerd" didn't make his video until December 2006 -  like 6 months ago.  If you want to rememve any references to the YouTube video, I would suggest reverting to the last pre-AVGN edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_3D_Noah%27s_Ark&oldid=90387980 72.69.121.54 00:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, didn't get that one word, "rememve" in your third sentence. Will see if a revert should be done to that pre-AVGN edit you mentioned. But about providing numbers about people using the PS3, they should be somewhat higher than people playing this game. Slartibartfast1992 14:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow... are you sure "rememve" isn't a real word? Man, I can't even claim that was a type-o... Not sure what happened there... 72.69.127.101 01:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll just take it as if you meant remove and will leave it at that (that must have been it, I can't think of any other relevant words). Slartibartfast1992 02:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I meant to say "remove"... :) 72.69.127.101 03:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The DOS version of this game can be freely downloaded on the Internet, afaik. If you want to check the verifiability of anything in this article all you need to do is play the game.  Haplolology 15:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So even if I play it as a DOS version (therefore, computer version) I will know that all you need to do to play it on the super nintendo console is to stick another game cartridge into it? Please explain the logic of this. Besides, I'd be glad to use games as references, but we can't. Slartibartfast1992 15:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Took a look at the pre-AVGN edit. It's the same, but without the AVGN review as an external link. It's got everything in the article exactly as is right now: like somebody just took it all out of the AVGN's review. We can't use videos as references. And even if we could, I don't think it would be a very reliable source. Slartibartfast1992 15:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I also took a look at the link provided in the "id Software/Wisdom Tree rumor" section of this talk page, and I have to admit that it would be a pretty good reference that makes everything in the article verifiable. Slartibartfast1992 02:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Slarti, I'm not sure why this game's page's exisitance offends you so much, but it's a game I remember from when I was a kid, and something I searched for because something that came up trigged a memory of it. Had this page not been here, I would have been dissapointed, and that would be mildly annoying. So fuck off, would you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.116.134 (talk) 01:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What the fuck, man? First of all, assume good faith. Second, so I was wrong and I feel like a complete asshole about even taking this to AfD, so what? I didn't know and I already feel like an idiot, OK? This was over months ago and I haven't bothered this article since. -- Slarti ( 19  92 ) 01:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone had a shitty childhood... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.59.183 (talk) 16:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

A reliable source
I'm not sure whether planetnintendo.com qualifies (someone could ask at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard), but here is a quote from The Ultimate History of Video Games: In 1994, Wisdom Tree tested Nintendo's ability to turn the other cheek by licensing the mazes and code to a game called Castle Wolfenstein 3D and converting them into an unlicensed Super NES game called Super 3D Noah's Ark. This was this one of the few unlicensed games to appear on the Super NES. In Castle Wolfenstein 3D, players ran through dungeons killing Nazi soldiers and guard dogs as they hunted for Hitler. In Super 3D Noah's Ark, which featured the exact same mazes, platers shot food at little goats that had escaped from their pens.*

* This game was built into a special adapter that attached to any licensed Super NES cartridge. The chip in the licensed cartridge would disable the security chip, allowing the Super Nintendo to read the game.

Hope this helps in sourcing the article. Anomie 00:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)




 * This might be a book, and people might think: what is printed is correct, but is it’s wrong.
 * When you press M in the DOS Version a Map appears (Select in SNES Version). Even you can find complete maps in the game. You can compare alls maps from Wolfenstein 3D and Super 3D Noah’s Ark and you will see not a single map is similar.
 * However 10 % of the levels contains Swastikas made out of level components (walls and stuff). It wouldn’t be possible to put this into a christian game…
 * (List of Levels with Swastikas:
 * E1L4, E3L8, E4L5, E4L8, E2L5, E6L3)
 * Moreover the levels of Super 3D Noah’s Ark do contain crosses as level segments. In one level you just stab in the letters “n o a h”.
 * I would really recommend deleting this source and replacing it whith this one:
 * http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark
 * And of course deleting the hoax to, that all levels are the same
 * It’s not ”printed” and it’s in German, but it shows incontestable in it’s illustrations that the levels are new. --[unregistrated user] 09:56, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 08:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark
 * And of course deleting the hoax to, that all levels are the same
 * It’s not ”printed” and it’s in German, but it shows incontestable in it’s illustrations that the levels are new. --[unregistrated user] 09:56, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 08:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Angry Gamer Link
The technical quality of Angry Video Game Nerd's review is above average in its depth and criticizing. But it's also laced with excessive use of every type of profanity that seems inserted only for shock value. Sadly it discredits an otherwise exceptional review. Since their are two other reviews provided, would it be acceptable to remove the Angry Video Game Nerd link? Short of that, is it within Wikipedia's policy to label the link "(contains profanity)". EDIT: After reading Profanity and seeing "(Contains profanity)" used in external links elsewhere, I seems clear that a disclaimer is consistent with Wikipedia policy/


 * The irony is that the Angry Video Game Nerd's review of this game - which is part of a larger feature on Bible-themed games in general - has almost no profanity at all (just "fuckin' goats", and he doesn't even mean it in the carnal sense). -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 00:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Its a parody.Thats the begining and end of it.If there wouldnt be cursing,then this wouldnt be "Angry video game/nintendo nerd" but "normal generic reviewer # 2638B/12" $$Insert formula here$$

Name?
I thought it was Super Noah's Ark 3D? 66.63.86.156 17:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you're right. That's the first time I noticed the article name. I'll get around to renaming it as soon as I can. Slartibartfast ( 19 92 ) 02:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the article text ... both names are correct and the one is already a redirect to the other. Haplolology Talk/Contributions 11:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah about the information claiming that it's an appropriate name... not really any references to prove that. This is really serious. No references for this article. I'm taking this to an AfD discussion. Slartibartfast ( 19 92 ) 22:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)




 * Just the name “Super 3D Noah’s Ark” is correct. It is shown on the programmer’s website, and when you boot the DOS game, or when you leave it. There is a picture of the name tag on this website, http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark, which would be a great source to prove it. Unfortunately it is in German, but the picture stands for itself. --[unregistrated user] 10:00, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just the name “Super 3D Noah’s Ark” is correct. It is shown on the programmer’s website, and when you boot the DOS game, or when you leave it. There is a picture of the name tag on this website, http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark, which would be a great source to prove it. Unfortunately it is in German, but the picture stands for itself. --[unregistrated user] 10:00, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Source
I don't know how it affects anything but the source to Wolf3d is free to download from id's website. It probably wasn't available at the time this was released but this might change some aspects of the game's status...? 78.145.156.7 11:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I don't really feel this needs its own article, a lot is already covered in Wisdom Tree and a merge wouldn't really be a bad idea. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 18:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Nooo! Super 3D Noah's Ark is so damn legendary it must have its own article... Super 3D Noah's Ark - he he... - Navelfluffman


 * Disagree with the merge proposal. Almost all video games, especially for major systems like the SNES, have their own articles. Interwebs (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The entire "Historical Errors" section
...is just screwed up, and should be deleted now. "Noah only had two of each animal on his ark, one male and one female, but the game shows only 9 animals, there are many of each, and they all look exactly the same." Too much info, too much 'only.' "Now some might say that this is a limitation of the technology," Sounds too 'non-wikipedia' like. "and it would not be possible to fit artwork for 9,000 species of animal into a single SNES ROM," Cartridge, not ROM. "but those people are heretics." Ummm... Okay? "Noah's story proves that God can make any unrealistic number of things fit into any limited space regardless of the level of man's technology." I can't tell if he is religious or mocking religious people. Furthermore, there are no sources to back him up. Last, although unrelated, is it just me, or does it say is was distributed by id software?--Retrotails (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Swastika-Shaped Maps
Questions: does this game have Swastika shaped maps like Wolfenstein 3D - because the article says, map layout was not changed --Suit (talk) 01:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You are totally right. As I have written in the discussion “A reliable source”:
 * When you press M in the DOS Version a Map appears (Select in SNES Version). Even you can find complete maps in the game. You can compare alls maps from Wolfenstein 3D and Super 3D Noah’s Ark and you will see not a single map is similar.
 * However 10 % of the levels contains Swastikas made out of level components (walls and stuff). It wouldn’t be possible to put this into a christian game…
 * (List of Levels with Swastikas:
 * E1L4, E3L8, E4L5, E4L8, E2L5, E6L3)
 * Moreover the levels of Super 3D Noah’s Ark do contain crosses as level segments. In one level you just stab in the letters “n o a h”.
 * I do highly recommend including this source:
 * http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark
 * And of course deleting the hoax to, that all levels are the same
 * It’s not ”printed” and it’s in German, but it shows incontestable in it’s illustrations that the levels are new. --[unregistrated user] 10:38, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I do highly recommend including this source:
 * http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark
 * And of course deleting the hoax to, that all levels are the same
 * It’s not ”printed” and it’s in German, but it shows incontestable in it’s illustrations that the levels are new. --[unregistrated user] 10:38, 05. Feb. 2011 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Graphics Swap
I quote from the active: "The level layouts, weapons, and enemy behaviors in the SNES version are identical to Wolfenstein 3D, but the graphics were changed to reflect a non-violent theme." This whole sentence is evidently wrong. Here are some incontrovertible evidence:
 * - Super 3D Noah’s Ark contains more weapons than Wolfenstein 3D
 * - The game features visible bullets, witch interact with the surrounding (the watermelon). Weapons with visible bullets are not featured in Wolfenstein 3D
 * - The game features Bible questions. When you solve them you gain bonus, health and Ammo. Such a feature is not included in Wolfenstein 3D
 * - The levels are all totally new and are now similar the those of Wolfenstein 3D. In one level you just stab in the letters “n o a h”.
 * Alls those facts, are verified on this website:
 * http://boojakascha.ch/index.php?page=super3dnoahsark
 * I would highly recommend including it as a reference even if it is German. Because the proof of the facts are in the pictures, which are so clear that they don’t need any explanation.
 * 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * 213.196.139.251 (talk) 09:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)