Talk:Turning Point: Fall of Liberty

Images
we need pictures, scan game informore.--68.106.210.205 05:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Did sommeone delete the pictures or did I forget to tag them--Yazelflech 04:01, 09 April 2007


 * You did not add a proper tag. Such has this and this. Which will be deleted soon. If you dont add a valid proper license tag. --SkyWalker 20:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Germany is not alone in this
It seems quite obvious that Germany is not alone as a "bad guy" in this game. The warships in the screenshot are clearly Japanese Yamato-class battleships. Regards, --Kurt Leyman 23:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, they look like Bismarck class to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.50.151.8 (talk) 09:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Kurt's right, they're Yamato-class battleships with Kriegsmarine markings. It's probably conjecture, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Axis powers were swapping notes on technologies in a reality where they were more successful. --Brad Rousse 03:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to be anal, but Germany's not in this at all... It is a piece of fiction. --Soetermans (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well. it doesn't takes much to copy down your ally's biggest battleship design...--79.139.166.114 (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Winston Churchill
In this alternate reality, it states that Winston Churchill dies soon after he was hit buy a cab in New York City in 1931, and then again in 1936?. Regards, --User:Nathan519

Yes I also saw that very weird. Maybe he had two lives,Probably not. 65.87.41.33 18:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Well its true about the car crash in 1931 but dies in 1936? Weird.Bookman4 (talk) 01:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Bookman4

Where did you find the 1936 reference? All the game says he was trampled by NYC taxi in 1931.--79.139.166.114 (talk) 17:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Reception
Firstly, I provided the wrong link in my recent edit description; the correct one is here: Reliable sources. Secondly, it should be noted that how fans recieve a game is not relevant to the Reception section of an article. Fan reactions are either biased for or against a game, and thus do not provide a neutral point of view in this context, which is why only reliable reviews from significant gaming sites and publications are added. This way, the inherent positive or negative features of a game are not obscured by sheer hype. So far, this game has only been given a few reviews, and if more reviews from reputable sources are released, they will be added into the article. Comandante Talk  07:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Now let's try and work this out. If you want to find a solution as to whether or not fan reception should be included in the article, then please comment here. I am not trying to disparage the game when I remove the fan recption statement, but rather only trying to follow WP policies and guidelines, which discourage the inclusion of fan opinions. I personally like this game, and even own the collectors' edition of it, which is the reason I became involved with this article in the first place. I just want the article to adhere to standards and have a semblance of quality. Comandante Talk  01:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I totally agree that the gamefaqs review should not be included. Anyone can write those and as such, aren't credible reviews.  I do believe that including the Metacritic user score is acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines.  I have other Wiki pages in the past that have mentioned that despite negative critical response, that general public reception was better.


 * If this doesn't belong in the reception part, I apologize. You do appear to know what you are doing, so maybe you can assist on this and figure if there is anywhere where the fan reception could be added, as I have noticed that the fan reception for this game is much better than the critic response.


 * I'm not trying to be difficult or ruin the page. I read the Wiki pages about what's acceptable and I didn't think that my last addition was against the rules.  If I am wrong, I do sincerely apologize as the page is very well written.Demonsmoke (talk) 08:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you came to the table, you don't know how many people come to Wikipedia just to turn small issues like this into utter disasters before they leave. Now, as for this, from my experience, any fan-related material (fansite links, quotes from fansites, fan-written reviews) has usually been kept out of VG articles, which is why I kept taking it out here. However, I've begun looking into the policies and guidelines and will consult other editors to see if there can be a compromise, but unfortunately I'll only be on WP sporadically for the next day or so. I will try to comment here with what action we can take as soon as possible, but keep in mind that it may be Wednesday at the latest. Thanks for cooperating. Comandante  Talk  17:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. thanks for being cool about this. As I said earlier, I'm not hear to be difficult or hijack a site. If that addition can't stay on here, then you will have my fullest support and cooperation. Demonsmoke (talk) 20:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Finally got a chance to respond here, sorry about the wait. After further looking into the issue, I found out that I was right about the fan info, but for the wrong reasons. The proper policies that this goes aganist are parts of WP:VERI,WP:RELY, and WP:NPOV together; in summary, the fan info will have to be removed as it cannot be considered up to the WP reliability standard and is likely not a wholly accurate representation of fan reception of the game. Some fans will give this game a glowing report, while others will lean lukewarm in how they like the game, and still others will say the game is worth playing only once and yet claim to be fans. If we included the views of one group of fans, we would have to include the views of everyone else to be fair. I won't remove the info, though, until you respond here and can confirm you have no other problem with its removal; if you are fine with it, then this issue will be resolved. Again, thanks for cooperating in all of this. Comandante  Talk  22:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I really respect the effort you have shown. AS such, I will remove the info I added on my own accord. I would like you to consider this a good will gesture and a gesture of respect on my part for you Commandante, Thank you. Demonsmoke (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and I appreciate your willingness to bring this to a swift and amiable resolution. Comandante  Talk  19:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * According to GameSpot, fan reception wasn't even that good unlike what was previously implied. Regardless I must say that out of all the issues in reception sections (and I've editted ALOT of those), this has got to be the most politely put and ressolved, good for you. Stabby Joe (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it a screenshot or not?
It the image tagged "Fighting in the streets of New York City." A screen shot of the game or is it a image to promote the game IE on a poster or on the back of the game itself? I only ask because there is no HUD in the image which I find odd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inputdata (talk • contribs) 16:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is a screenshot of actual gameplay, with the HUD either digitally removed or simply not there to begin with. The player in the screenshot is using an MG turret, which may not have an HUD display to begin with (I can't remember myself). Comandante  Talk  19:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

It's an MG when aiming down the sights - no ammo counter, no crosshairs. There's no health bar in the game. Not the best shot anyway, I think.--79.139.166.114 (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Never On These Shores
Many people have commented that the story line from Fall of Liberty is from the novel "Never on These Shores." Yet, there seems to be no mention. Could you add a reference for those who might be interested in the book? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edpurdom (talk • contribs) 18:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the book and this game have nothing to do with each other. The developers have never once stated that the book was an inspiration for their game, and if you look at the plots of both, they differ greatly. For instance, in the book the Nazis invade the U.S. through Mexico in 1942, while in the game they invade the U.S. eastern coast at New York City and Washington, D.C. in 1953. Also, in the game the protagonist is a New York construction worker named Dan Carson; I haven't read the book (but I've seen the plot synopsis), but I know the protagonists are not the same. While the premise is similar (an Axis invasion of America), this is only a coincidence and neither the book or game tie in with each other at all. The similarity between the content and the relative closeness of their distribution has simply led some people to make the assumption that they are related, but there is no proof at all, only unfounded speculation. -- Comandante    { Talk }  19:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH!!
It seems you are very concerned about someone making a connection between the game and the novel. What is it to you? I think it is an interesting connection that people should be aware of. It is my opinion. I believe you are hiding something only because you so diligently delete the references. WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? Are you one of the people with a stake in the game? Did you read the novel first? You said you never read it, but it sounds like you did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edpurdom (talk • contribs) 12:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have a notable, verifiable source for this, then it may warrant inclusion. Until then it violates Wikipedia's policy on original research. xenocidic (talk) 12:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"What if Nazis Won the War" is a tremendous Sci-Fi Cliche. See, for example, "The Man in the High Castle", "Fatherland", or Newt Gingrich's classic "1945". Forcing every program alluding to Nazi victories to credit all possible influences would be the equivalent of requiring every game with some kind of Space Marines to cite "Starship Troopers". Or "Aliens"? "Mutant Chronicles"? The world is full of independently thunk up but mutually influenced cliches.

Check connections for the equipment models!
"The game includes many advanced versions of weapons used in World War II, and several that were being researched and developed late in the war but never made it to production. Super-heavy tanks such as the Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus and Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte appear in the game..." Numerous contradictions here. Just finished the game, and, I'm telling you, it's not like that. The new York barricade tanks, dubbed E-50 in the objectives screen, seem like Panther or Tiger-sized tanks with a co-axial gun - that's all. I've seen the surviving Maus in Kubinka twice - it's far bigger than the E-50. Even more than that twin-gun tank that knocks the player out. Check the Ratte page - no way it can fit in any street, let alone get so deep into the ruins. --79.139.166.114 (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Info
Where did all the extra info about Germany and Japan making advances in Europe and Asia come from? I think it is little more than fanon. Can someone give me the link to the source of the info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.138.142 (talk) 22:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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