Talk:University of Michigan/Archive 5

List of entities founded by University of Michigan alumni
The below table required a substantial amount of time to assemble, but was deleted by another editor. Therefore, it might be useful to have some third parties review the material for reshaping/redistribution/reformatting within the body of the article as and where appropriate:

List of entities founded by University of Michigan alumni
This table was deleted by another user, but took substantial time and effort to assemble. Might 3rd parties review and determine where/how the material might otherwise be integrated into the main article?


 * This list may be appropriate as a standalone article, but as noted by User:Madcoverboy, it is not directly related to the topic of the university and places undue weight on the subject. Alanraywiki (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems very SYNish to me no matter where it's placed. --ElKevbo (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

2009 Endowment
The Detroit News is a reputable source of information, not "pure speculation." In addition, University numbers are cited. The number represents the most current number available.

"The endowment is now worth $6 billion as of June 30, compared to an all-time high of $7.6 billion in 2008, according to university investment figures released today."

AStudent (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Whether or not the figure is not pure speculation (which it is, because audited numbers are not yet available), from the discussion page above you will note that local papers are not dispositive:"Please only use the NACUBO study numbers for listing the endowment. This is the most reliable, comparable, and authoritative source for this information because they use common standards and benchmarks across all universities. A local newspaper quoting some hearsay about the endowment being down $2 billion as a result of market conditions does not meet the conditions of a reliable source. One would no more strip out enrollment numbers from the Common Data Set and replace them with some approximate number found in the Lansing State Journal. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.129.101 (talk)

Disagree, the article clearly cites University report. I've cited a source, you've failed to sign your name. 75.185.95.219 (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

University system article needed?
I've been thinking about this for some time, especially since the minor kerfuffle last year relating to Dearborn and Flint students football tickets, that there should really be a Wikipedia article explaining the relationship between the tree entities. Public opinion seems to be either that they're the same university (untrue) or that they're entirely separate entities (not necessarily true in some senses). As near as I can tell, the actual status of the system is never spelled out anywhere and there seems to be no appropriate place for it currently on Wikipedia. So, should we take the route of the University of Minnesota system, University of California, University of North Carolina, etc? -- MichiganCharms (talk) 09:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

My understandings, which may be wrong and should thus be researched, are as follows: 1) The university is not legally constituted as a system (as I understand it, this can be found in the establishing documents or constitution, but where, I do not know); 2) there is one President (Coleman); 3) the application process runs off of a common pool; 3)given that 98% of each is attributed to Ann Arbor anyway, the university reports research volumes and endowment as Ann Arbor only; 4) the university itself uses the phrase "satellite campuses" (also uses branch in some cases); 5) the budgeting is done through Ann Arbor and controlled by Ann Arbor. 74.64.126.54 (talk) 01:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about the internal organization of Michigan. But the Department of Education says that there are multiple campuses, each with unique IPEDS IDs.  That's the metric we use in my research shop to determine if an institution is a separate institution or a "mere" branch campus of another institution.  --ElKevbo (talk) 04:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.108.0.247, 6 May 2010
One of part of the article reads: "UM's financial endowment (the "University Endowment Fund") was valued at $7.57 billion in NACUBO's 2008 ranking.[51] It was the seventh largest endowment in the U.S. and the third-largest among U.S public universities at that time, as well as the fastest growing endowment in the nation over the last 21 years"

This is incorrect.

It was the seventh largest endowment in the U.S. and the second largest among U.S. among public universities at that time. Moreover, you should not in parentheses that it was behind only the University of Texas System in this regard, not an actual university (e.g. the University of Texas-Austin).

Please fix.

66.108.0.247 (talk) 01:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  • ɔ   ʃ   →  01:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Started the Kines page
I started the Kines page and linked it to the main UM page. It is a bit more then a stub but probably a little less then a start. Any help is always greatly appreciated as I am pretty new to this. Quickone (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Merit network
''This was once in the ToDo list, but with the recent response, I feel that placing this in the talk page itself is more appropriate for further discussion. PentawingTalk 04:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)''

'''Add a page for history of Merit Network? -> details in separate article'''

Many institutions try to stake a claim to the foundation of the internet. UM's 1966 study must certainly rank backward in time, as does its work on the NSF backbone, UCAID (university corp. for Internet Dev.), as well as its role -- via Van Houewling's (sp?) on Internet2). It would seem that all of these events, and the history in the above link, might be worthy of elaboration
 * This might be a good idea, but keep in mind that:
 * 1) the Merit Network is a non-profit corporation in its own right, and while it is administratively attached to the University of Michigan, it is a legally separate entity that is governed by the four-year public universities in Michigan of which the University of Michigan is but one;
 * 2) Merit, rather than the University of Michigan, submitted and won the NSFNET cooperative agreement in 1987;
 * 3) in addition to NSF Merit had three partners in the NSFNET project, IBM, MCI, and the State of Michigan and later a fourth, Advanced Network and Services (ANS), was added;
 * 4) because Merit is administratively attached to the University of Michigan, the NSFNET cooperative agreement was administered through the University of Michigan's office of research administration (DRDA), but the award was to Merit and not to the University of Michigan;
 * 5) UCAID and Internet2 are really two names for the same thing, and like Merit, they are a non-profit corporation with some administrative ties to the University of Michigan, but again like Merit, a legally separate entity and in UCAID's case one with a nationally representative Board of Directors;
 * 6) there are Wikipedia articles on Merit, UCAID and Internet2, and NSFNET, although some of the articles could be improved;
 * 7) Doug Van Houweling was Vice-provost for Information Technology at the University of Michigan from the mid-1980s to the early 1990s, he was UofM's representative on the Merit Board of Directors during this time, he was Chair of the Merit Board of Directors at the time Merit submitted its winning NSFNET proposal, he was a member of the NSFNET Executive Committee, he was Merit's representative on the ANS Board of Directors when ANS was formed, he stepped down from his Vice-provost's position and became, until very recently, the head of UCAID/Internet2;
 * 8) no single individual or organization can claim credit for the creation of the Internet;
 * 9) may individuals and organizations in universities, government, and industry in and outside of the U.S. played important roles in the creation of what became today's Internet, Merit, the University of Michigan, and Doug van Houweling are certainly among them. Jeff Ogden (talk) 05:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Veterinary degree at Michigan?
The article includes this statement:
 * The university has "very high" research activity and the "comprehensive" graduate program offers doctoral degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM fields as well as professional degrees in medicine, law, dentistry, and veterinary medicine. [emphasis added]

But UM doesn't offer a veterinary degree does it? It does offer veterinary externships, has a postdoctoral veterinary program, and provides other training to veterinarians. Jeff Ogden (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * UM does seem to offer pre-veterinary degrees (see the following link ). The information in the passage is from the Carnegie Classifications, which is linked from the references section. I personally don't know why veterinary medicine is listed, but it is there in reference. PentawingTalk 02:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The reference above is to the Pre-Veterinary Medical Association. That is a student organization and not part of an academic department or program. The Carnegie reference is about a category that includes medical/veterinary, that is medical and/or veterinary. In UM's case it is just medical. Jeff Ogden (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I made a change to remove "veterinary medicine" from the list of professional degrees offered at UM. Jeff Ogden (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Updates needed
I've made some changes to the lead and academics section to tamp down on boosterish claims. However, I have to note that much of this article is cited to sourced dated 5 years ago (WP:LINKROT) including annual data that is certainly out-of-date, employs improper (e.g., yyyy-mm-dd which is no longer supported) and inconsistent citation formatting, and has a tentancy to employ citation bombardment and citation clutter to self-published sources to substantiate some claims. In the academics section, in particular, I note the absence of any discussion of number of degrees offered or awarded, core undergraduate curriculum\requirements\courseload, academic calendar, honor societies, popular degrees, or financial aid and student debt. I hope other editors take heed of the need to improve and maintain the quality of this featured article in a timely manner, otherwise I'll nominate this article for WP:FAR in September. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Checklinks analysis here indicates at least 9 dead links. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I am starting to address the issues concerning reference links and formatting, as well as updating information in the article. As for the information concerning academics, a look through information pertaining to undergraduate curriculum on UM's website shows that there is not a single set of standards that applies to the entire university (it seems each college and school sets their own requirements. If that is the case, information pertaining to undergraduate curriculum would best be addressed in the individual colleges/schools articles as opposed to the university article). As for references that appear to be self-published sources, I looked at other featured university articles, and it seems that many sources tend to originate at the university's themselves. Hence, I am not sure to what extent "self-published" references can be tolerated within such articles. PentawingTalk 19:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have believed that I have addressed every concern that has been raised. If there are any more, please list them below. PentawingTalk 02:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Since it is not possible to address every issue at once, I have created a list below:
 * Replace dead links with live links - ✅
 * Update statistical information - ✅
 * Check reference formatting - ✅
 * Add alt text to images - ✅
 * Add information about financial aid - ✅
 * Add information about university-wide honor societies - ✅
 * Add information about number of degrees offered and popular degrees (if possible) - ✅
 * Looks good to me. I clarified some prose on the honors and dropped in some info on the President too. Thanks for the good work Pentawing! Madcoverboy (talk) 04:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Mountain Field Station
Someone added a section concerning the Rocky Mountain Field Station into the history of the University of Michigan, of which the section has no particular relevance. I have moved the material here in hopes that someone might be able to add onto it so that it can be in its own article. PentawingTalk 05:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Michigan runs the 120 acre Rocky Mountain Field Station in Wyoming, which celebrated its 80th anniversary in 2009 with new housing, and expanded course offering. The camp is a teaching and research facility offering courses in geology, ecology, renewable energy and humanities. With partial funding from U-M's Graham Environmental Sustainability Institute and the Office of the Provost, Camp Davis also is installing renewable energy systems that will serve as a demonstration project for students in the various courses.  The typical student to instructor ratio is  10:1. Nestled in the mountains just south of Jackson Hole and tucked between the Hoback River and Bridger Teton National Forest, Camp Davis offers access to some of North America's most scenic and interesting geological, ecological and historic sites


 * I made a little edit under the Residential Life for the new dormitory, North Quad. I provided more details of what services North Quad offers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlainy (talk • contribs) 23:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Michigan logo
Please comment at Talk:Michigan_Wolverines.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps
this FA should mention the name of the University's newspaper? I created a redirect here from Michigan Today. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, apparently it's some sort of regular electronic newsletter instead. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Michigan Today is an online publication for alumni that is updated 10 times a year. There is the University Record, a weekly newspaper targeted to faculty and staff. It is a UofM publication. It isn't currently mentioned in the article, but is used as a source several times. There is also the Michigan Daily, the pretty much daily student newspaper that is already mentioned in the article (5 days a week during the fall and winter terms and weekly during the spring and summer terms). Jeff Ogden (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Atheletics Changes
Someone with better skills and less boosterism should make these changes. Go Blue

Michigan Stadium hosted Big Chill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Chill_at_the_Big_Houseon 12/11/2010, highest attendence ever for hockey game, 104,173 according to Guinness.

Michigan Stadium set attendence record for football (Announced each game as "Largest crowd watching a football game anywhere in America today.") on 9/10/2011 against Notre Dame, Michigan Stadium's first ever night game, 114,804. http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091211aaa.html

Michigan will play hockey in the Big Ten hockey conference starting in 2013-14 season. http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/03/21_big_ten_officially_announces.php

Shoud be a mention of number of varsity sports, 14 men's and 12 women's. http://www.mgoblue.com/school-bio/mich-varsity-sports.html

Thanks

12.165.172.4 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)Sean

Academic rankings by department
I first undertook to clean up this recent addition (which took material from the lede, moved it into text and expanded it to describe four or five liberal arts programs within the U), to even out the overemphasis on the Department of Philosophy and make the language a bit more objective (i.e. simply stating the rankings) but when I began to look into the refs I found a kind of hodgepodge of sources of widely varying utility, and decided it was easier to simply restore this part of the article to the general University rankings that had previously existed in the lede. For instance the material cited the the Gourman Report for the Psychology rankings, which has not been published since 1997. The Sociology rankings (from US News) and Philosophy (from the Philosophical Gourmet Report both date to 2009. The former is a pretty good source, if a bit stale, but it is hard to know what to make of the latter.  The Humanities ranking was 19th, which is respectable but doesn't seem worth raising as a special point.  The Poli Sci ref seemed sound (US News) and recent.

I am sure that each of these sources has, or had, credibility within certain fields or among students looking for the right school, but as I said it's a pretty random assortment of both departments and sources and finally I think it's a mistake to begin to rank to rank individual departments within the University from different sources of differing reliability. I'd add too that Wikipedia is not a catalog and students who are interested in individual departments within the school should not be looking here to help them decide.

Thoughts? JohnInDC (talk) 11:18, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Should University of Michigan have a project
Looking at Category:WikiProject Universities, it seems like University of Michigan might want to start its own project. I would start it myself, but I am already running WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARD.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * In general, volunteers from WikiProject Universities tend to look in more on those schools that do not have their own projects with their own set of volunteers to watch and improve articles. So the question comes down to whether there is a viable group of editors willing to take on the tasks. Racepacket (talk) 09:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we should create the project. There are a ton of Michigan Wolverines football fans and Ann Arbor, Michigan is a WP:FA. Between people interested in A-squared and Michigan Football, I think we have a lot of interested editors. I am about to start the project myself, if no one else steps up.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to help and contribute, but I'm new to Wikipedia so I wouldn't be experienced enough to actually run the project or anything. Michigan is definitely big enough and important enough to have its own project, though.Lonewolf371 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Tony, did you ever start up this project? I agree that there would probably be some interest.   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 04:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't want to start it because I will end up trying to run it. As stated above, I am already running WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARD. I will help you get it started if you want to run it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Academic rankings in lead
Setting aside my underlying cynicism about the multiplicity of services and firms that claim to be able to rank a wide range of schools and universities along a single dimension of "quality", if an article is going to present the results of those surveys and studies, it should be somewhere in the text of the article, in an appropriate section, and not all lumped together in the lead paragraphs. Leads are there to provide an overview of what's in the rest of the article, and the material I recently removed fails this test in two ways - first, it was unnecessarily detailed - we don't need to know that Michigan was ranked 18th by one study, 14th by another, and that one of its schools is in the top 15 or 10 of another survey still. Second, the material presented in the lead isn't covered elsewhere in the article. So in short I don't think it belongs there, no matter what might be found in articles on other universities on Wikipedia.

I would also like to add that in addition to not belonging in the lead, I am wary of entire sections devoted to academic rankings, for the reason that they are cluttery, of questionable significance once you get past the first two or three, and lend themselves to endless bloat as people add various rankings by different sources of individual departments, etc. That sort of information is nearly impossible to craft into readable prose, and is of questionable incremental benefit to the reader.

Others please share any additional thoughts. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 17:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that much of what you had said needs to be said in WT:UNI and not here. I don't particularly agree with the current consensus (reflected in WP:UNIGUIDE) but it does seem to be stable.  And that consensus is that (a) a brief, well-written, and broad summary of recent rankings is acceptable in the lead and (b) a section dedicated to rankings and prestige is allowed and even encouraged to a degree.  I think that trying to omit rankings altogether is a losing battle and if you believe that they should be omitted then limiting them to a brief statement in the lead and a dedicated section is the best you're going to get.
 * So the issue with this article is not that rankings were included in the lead is that the specific statements were way too long and too detailed for the lead. A concise, well-written summary would be acceptable.  ElKevbo (talk) 17:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me to that. My main gripe was in fact the lead, and added the latter, broader part largely because by that point I'd built up a bit of steam!  I stand by everything I said (rankings are often marketing fluff as much as anything, they're cluttery and prone to bloat) but reasonable minds can differ of course, and in fact I don't actually have too much trouble with the guidance at WP:UNIGUIDE, which endeavors to limit the information to a single section and counsels restraint in the lead.  I do think that rankings of individual departments within a school are better located in articles devoted to those departments (particularly at a large school like Michigan, where rankings could go on for several paragraphs) but that's a discussion for another day.  JohnInDC (talk) 21:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Color box presentation
I think the new color template - with a box split diagonally showing each of the two colors - is attractive and a good addition to the page. That being said, the template as it is currently constructed renders oddly in (at least) Safari 5.1.7 on a Macintosh running Lion. Rather than a box with a simple two color diagonal split, the first color is repeated as a vertical bar to the right of and adjacent the second color, giving the impression of a lopsided V-shaped wedge of a second color overlaid on the background of the first color. I've left a note on the Template's Talk page to try to explore this issue some more. As I said, I think it's a nice edit (when I load the page in Firefox it renders fine) but until this glitch is sorted out I think the color presentation should remain as it was. JohnInDC (talk) 03:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to the template's Talk page, with an image showing the problem: Template talk:Legend striped.  JohnInDC (talk) 03:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Protests
I am trying to build a protest section with information from the University's own library. If there is no such section, everyone who ever protested at the University of Michigan will think their protest deserves it's own stand-alone Wikipedia article. See Black Action Movement to get an idea of what I mean. My hope is to consolidate these before they get out of control. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the History section already includes material on protests (most of which centered on Vietnam), rendered in better detail, perhaps you could add it there. Or, is it your plan to expand the protests section to include the many other protests and other campus activities that gave rise to, e.g., Students for Democratic Society?  Right now the new section is giving quite a bit of attention to a series of protests which, while notable in the University's history, aren't really the lead item in the U's protest history.  JohnInDC (talk) 00:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like this pre-emptive addition is not going to achieve its purpose, namely since the BAM article likely to survive the deletion process easily, see Articles for deletion/Black Action Movement. That being the case I am going to remove the section now because it doesn't really add anything to the article that isn't already stated in the History section, save the passing - and oblique - reference to the BAM protests.  I'll see if I can add a sentence to the History part to weave it in there.  More generally, I think if a movement or protest group is notable, its article will stand; and if not, not.  This isn't the place to fix that problem.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * BAM is in fact already mentioned by name in the larger History of the University of Michigan article; I think the only issue for this article is whether those events deserve a specific additional reference in History or if the note re the existence of that article is sufficient. JohnInDC (talk) 19:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

University Student Public Performances
Added a small paragraph under the Student Activities sub-section. It briefly describes some flash-mob performances and the recent Harlem Shake music video that was taken on the Diag. I thought it was appropriate since flash mobs and public performances like that are a cool part of the U-M student culture/experience. Thoughts?mkuchen (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for raising the issue here. I've removed it because the events don't appear to be historic or meaningful to the University's history in any sense, nor are they likely to be unique or unusual on a college campus today in the United States.  It's important to remember that this is an encyclopedia article about the University of Michigan - not a school brochure, or recruitment tool - and as such should pretty much be limited to the sort of information and material that isn't just of immediate or passing interest.  For example, think forward two or five years when flash mobs are passé and no one remembers what Harlem Shake is - does the paragraph still make sense, is it still something that should be here?  By and large my rule of thumb is, if it's something faddish that would likely be removed one day, supplanted by whatever else is au courant then, then don't put it in in the first place.  Thanks!  JohnInDC (talk) 12:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1
Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1 needs reviewers.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

School of Nursing?
While I know it's not the case, judging from this article and all UofM & nursing school related lists & articles there is no UofM School of Nursing (alternately that it is too unimportant to warrant coverage along w/the university's other schools and colleges). Please rectify this omission. Thanks in advance. Drdpw (talk) 12:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

2015 Admissions Stats
For the class of 2019 stats at UMichigan, the stats seem suspect. The sudden increase of the bottom 25% of SAT scores from the previous year's suggests that the data might be either contrived or from ADMITTED STUDENTS not ENROLLED STUDENTS which significantly lower the averages. Lacmaboingo (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you able to figure out what the source says? 10:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible Future alumni profile pages

 * Wallace Calvin Abbott (MED: MD 1885), founder of Abbott Laboratories, one of the first American physicians to adopt a new technique to distill alkaloids (the parts of medicinal plants that have therapeutic effect) into a solid form
 * Laith Al-Saadi, musician and songwriter
 * George W. Breslauer (A.B., A.M., Ph. D), political science professor and Russia specialist at the University of California, Berkeley; Berkeley’s executive vice chancellor and provost, the campus's chief academic officer
 * Jay M. Bylsma, author, inventor, professor
 * Stewart W. Churchill, co-developer of Churchill–Bernstein equation
 * Kathryn Clark (PhD. 1990), NASA's Chief Scientist for Human Space Flight; Chief Scientist for the International Space Station; President of Docere LLC.
 * Dr. Ethelene Jones Crockett, the first Black female Ob/Gyn in the state of Michigan in 1952. In 1978 she became the first woman president of the American Lung Association.
 * Heather Dietrick, general counsel of Gawker and MBA/JD
 * Wayne Dunlop established The Michigan Philharmonic was established in 1945 as a community orchestra
 * Peter Finlayson is the Founder, Publisher and Editor-in-chief of FootLights magazine and footlight.click. Peter has performed, directed or designed more than 150 productions.
 * Dr. William Henry Fitzbutler, U-M’s first African-American medical school graduate, who after receiving his degree in 1872 went on to found one of the first medical colleges that did not permit discrimination based on race.
 * Stephen Forrest, former engineering dean and holder of hundreds of patents
 * Debra Goldstein, Administrative law judge and book award winner
 * Patrick Gross (COE: MSE 1966), co-founder and executive committee chairman (emeritus) of American Management Systems, Inc., a $3.1 billion, 25,000 employee technology consulting firm;
 * Cyril H. Haas (MED: M.D. 1904), medical missionary to Turkey 1910–1951; built clinic in Adana and treated over 20,000 patients annually; Silver Medal of Turkish Tuberculosis Association, 1962 (posthumous)
 * GARY HARDWICK, ’82 is a novelist and filmmaker of “Deliver Us From Eva.” Gary wrote the screenplay and directed the romantic comedy, which starred LL Cool J and Gabrielle Union.
 * Amy Heintz, Battelle inventor of the year
 * Beryl Denzer Hines (LS&A: A.B.), Cold War journalist and TV producer; gained the nickname "Scoop" for her ability to get stories before they became public;
 * IRVINE O. HOCKADAY, LLB’61 is the president and CEO of Hallmark Cards Inc.
 * Kurt Hunt (law student) published in 2007 "This Land Is Not Your Land: Second Life, CopyBot, and the Looming Question of Virtual Property Rights"
 * Denise Illitch (BA 1977), president of privately held Ilitch Holdings, which manages the Detroit Tigers, Detroit Red Wings, Little Caesars, Fox Theatre,
 * Thomas F. Keller (Ph.D. 1960), Dean of Fuqua School of Business, 1974–96
 * Anne Kenney, Cornell's 11th Library and innovator in digital delivery
 * HOMER KRIPKE, ’31, JD’33 was an author of the Uniform Commercial Code.
 * Michael J. Levitt, Vice Chairman of Apollo Credit
 * Joseph Arnold Livingston graduated with an A.B. Degree from the University of Michigan in 1925. Won Pulitzer in 1965.
 * John Madigan (BUS: BBA 1958, MBA 1959), Chairman and CEO (emeritus), Tribune Company
 * Willem Van Rensselaer Malkus, emeritus professor of mathematics at MIT, a pioneer in fluid dynamics
 * DONALD R. MANDICH, ’46, MBA’50 is the chairman of Comerica Inc.
 * Karen McKeachie, Triathlete, she went on to win seven world championships, 15 national championships and numerous other awards
 * William Lawrence O’Neill, Professor O’Neill’s dozen books include the late ’80s “American High: The Years of Confidence 1945-1960,”
 * RAY T. PARFET JR., MBA’47 is the chairman and CEO of The Upjohn Co.
 * P. Anthony Ridder (AB 1962), president emeritus of the Knight Ridder newspaper chain
 * WARREN ROBBINS, MA’49 is an art collector whose collection of African art led to the establishment of the Museum of African Art, part of the Smithsonian group.
 * Tom Rochon (B.A., M.A. and Ph.D.), eighth president of Ithaca College, 2008–present
 * Robert Rosenzweig, President (emeritus), Association of American Universities, a consortium of research universities
 * TODD SAMOVITZ, ’89 is co-author of the screenplay “Wonderland,” which starred Val Kilmer and Lisa Kudrow.
 * Dr. Amanda Sanford, the Medical School's first female graduate, whose 1871 graduation thesis on complications of childbirth laid the foundation for a career dedicated to advancing obstetrical care and women's health.
 * Aalok Shanghvi, Indian solar power entrepreneur and son of billionaire Dilip Shanghvi
 * Dr. Parvinder Singh, Ranbaxy
 * HAROLD K. SPERLICH, MBA’61 is the president of Chrysler Corp.
 * Teresa "Teri" Takai (BA, MA), current Assistant Secretary of Defense for Networks and Information Integration
 * LARISSA TIEDENS, professor and senior associate dean for academic affairs at Stanford Graduate School of Business (GSB) will be the next president of Scripps College in Claremont, California.
 * Chen To Tai (University of Michigan, United States) 1998 winner of Heinrich Hertz Medal
 * Olivia Walch, mathematician and winner of the Washington Post's America's Next Great Cartoonist Competition in 2010
 * Walter Weiner, Who Led Safra's Republic Bank
 * Dr. Kimberlydawn Wisdom (MED: Ph.D. 1982; SPH, MA 1991), honorary doctorate of science, Morehouse School of Medicine, 2005; the nation's first state surgeon general,
 * Jay Whitacre, winner of the Lemelson-MIT award and holder of numerous patents
 * Alan Wineman, University of Michigan Ann Arbor,[4] Expertise: Viscoelasticity, Polymers...2009 winner of the William Prager medal.
 * John Wu, John joined NLVC in 2008. Prior to NLVC, John was the CTO of Alibaba Group from 2000 to 2007
 * Gary Zenkel, NBC Olympics President

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 * I don't know where you're going with this list, but the alum section here is already too long. If you're going to add all these names they belong at List of University of Michigan alumni or List of University of Michigan sporting alumni. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:00, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that this list is better located at WP:Articles for creation, where more people will see the suggestions and perhaps write appropriate articles. I'm not sure that this Talk page is the right place to place a dynamic and changing list such as this one.  JohnInDC (talk) 23:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Can anyone help me get Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Poole and Template:Did you know nominations/Zavier Simpson approved at T:TDYK for April 3 to run during the 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Student Body admissions SAT Range
Looks like the SAT Range evinced a large jump up from 2014 to 2015 and corresponding but large jump down from 2016 to 2017, leaving the years 2015 and 2016 suspect or looking like outliers. Anybody know where to get clean data? Bluedudemi (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Gak, no. If you can't find anything - that is, if in the end the info is unsourced - then maybe just remove the historical data?  JohnInDC (talk) 18:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Gak? Well, there is a source, I'm just not sure that it was accurately harvested for those 2 years. As to removing those years, that is a reasonable suggestion but would leave several holes in a table which, otherwise, appears to be within the range of plausibility given the Student Profile on the Michigan page. I'll leave it up to wiser heads to figure this one out, but thought I should point it out in the interest of achieving greater accuracy. Cheers. Bluedudemi (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

As a further thought, there is a more general issue within Wikipedia given that some sources are variable as to which components of the test are used (all three sections, or two?) and which scale (old or new) to use. This might engender a more general discussion as to both components and scaling for ALL schools. Bluedudemi (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Among the early students in the School of Medicine was Jose Celso Barbosa, who in 1880 graduated as valedictorian and the first Puerto Rican to get a university degree in the United States.
Mr. Jose Celso Barbosa was not the first Puertorican to get a university degree in the United States. He was the second one. The first one was Estevan Antonio Fuertes who erned a Bachelor in Science in Civil Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute of Troy, New York in 1857.

Antonio D. Cordero, PE antoniodanilocordero@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.185.202.46 (talk) 20:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

"Public Ivy" and other recent edits
"Public Ivy" is a term taken from a 30+ year old book, subjective in nature, and of questionable relevance in the lead of articles about universities. See Talk:Public_Ivy/Archive_1 for more. (That discussion resulted in the removal of the term from the leads, which I'm trying to maintain here.) If it's important to restore it for this school, let's revive the discussion there and decide it for all schools.

Separately, Michigan is of course a great school but it's not necessary to remind the reader of it repeatedly, particularly in the lead, so I've tempered some of the language there too. The facts largely speak for themselves and IMHO do not need additional characterization in the article text. Comments welcome! JohnInDC (talk) 13:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Correcting the logo/seal
I've noticed for a couple of years that the logo is incorrect, and was hoping someone could help fix it. The correct logo is seen here: http://regents.umich.edu/, and is on other wikipedia pages such as https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_o_Michigan

The current version was a transparent image vector from a PDF that was improperly modified to add color. All official websites and documents, such as diplomas, use the version that is posted on the regents website. How can we fix this?

WolvFan19 (talk) 03:58, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

University of Michigan selected to host Presidential Debate in 2020
U-M has been selected to host a Presidential Debate in 2020. I think this is a pretty big deal and that it should be added to the article somewhere, but I'm not sure where it belongs.

The event will cost at least $2.5 million. Some useful sources:
 * Official website
 * Official news announcement
 * Relevant article
 * Another article

Bobbychan193 (talk) 04:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Featured article review needed
This is a 2005 Featured article promotion that has not been reviewed since 2006, and it is well outside of the FA standards. These items should be cleaned up or the article submitted for a featured article review. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There is considerable uncited text. (I tagged only some of it-- there is more.)
 * There are statistics that are either outdated or for which no "As of" date is provided.
 * There are short, stubby poorly organized sections, for example, in Sports.
 * There is not a consistent citation style and there are HarvRef errors (see this page to help resolve those)
 * I fixed the date and dash issues; if anyone is curating this article, these should be maintained.
 * The alumni section could benefit from tighter application of summary style, and reduction in POV or editorializing ... Numerous U-M graduates contributed greatly ... prominent and/or groundbreaking women  ... etc.

Alumni
In the spirit of providing a potential source for a summary of alumni accomplishments, I've assembled a count of various categories which are in the below tabulation.

Count 	Position	Comment 1 	President of the United States	Gerald Ford 1 	Vice-President of the United States	Gerald Ford 9 	Nobel Prizes 34 	Pulitzer Prizes	Top-5 amongst all Universities 11 	Astronauts	Two all UM missions: Gemini 4 and Apollo 15 1 	Alumni Club of Moon	Founded by: James Irwin; David Scott Alfred Worden 2 	Men to have walked on the moon out of 12 total	James Irwin;David Scott 4 	Turing Award Winners 2 	Grace Murray Hopper Winners 931 	Fulbright Scholars	Michigan is 5th all time and #1 between 2005 and 020 29 	MacArthur fellows	Top-10 all time 19 	Members of the Manhattan Project	Chief jobs included difficult problem of separating isotopes 20 	National Medal of Science/Technology 64 	Governors or Lieutenant Governors 60 	Ambassadors to 74 countries 3 	SCOTUS Judges 100 	SCOTUS Clerks 5 	National Supreme Court Judges: Ex-USA 115 	State Supreme Court Justices 30 	State Supreme Court Chief Justices 41 	Attorneys General (state level) 2 	United States Attorney General 12 	Foreign President or Prime Minister 24 	Rank of Admiral 26 	Rank of General 38 	Member of President's Cabinet 47 	United States Senator 7 	Winners of National book award	Includes only 2-time female winner: Jesmyn Ward 4 	National Medal of the Arts 81 	Emmy Awards won by 29 alumni 9 	Golden Globe Awards won by 8 alumni 29 	Grammy Awards won by 15 alumni 20 	Tony Awards won by 14 alumni 10 	Academy Awards won by 9 alumni 17 	Living billionaires 22 	Alumni Considered to be "Father of…" their field 52 	University Presidents 2 	Abel Prize Winners 1 	Fields Medal winner 2 	United States Attorney General 1 	Post Master General 1 	Director of OMB 1 	Comptroller of the Currency 4 	Members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors 3 	Members of the Regional Federal Reserve Board of Governors 213 	Congressional Representatives Bluedudemi (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You need to provide reliable sources for any of those items to be included. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't: I've offered a suggestion ("...a potential source...") and left it up to others to chose to implement, or not. As to a reliable source, these are counts taken directly off of the related Wiki sections...unless there is a Wiki tool (vaya con dios) for performing such an otherwise manual aggregation, this is necessarily a manual exercise. I'll leave it up to those interested to figure out whether this SUGGESTED list of categories and counts is useful and/or feasible and/or worthy of further action. Bluedudemi (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

What is the purpose of this proposed table? What about this university are you trying to communicate to readers? (Not trying to pick on you or this table; the "notable alumni" sections of most articles have become "let's list as many people with Wikipedia articles as we can to try to impress readers with the number of impressive alumni" which is an obvious problem. We need to become much more thoughtful and intentional with these sections.) ElKevbo (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

"Ranked among the most prestigious in the world" added to lede
An unregistered editor has made several attempts to add a sentence to the lede indicating that this university is ranked among the most prestigious/top universities in the world. First, the lede is intended to be a summary of what is in the body of the article; new information should not be introduced there. Second, this kind of claim needs to be explicitly supported by evidence and a claim this strong needs equally strong evidence. A single year of ranking or even multiple recent years cannot support this kind of claim. ElKevbo (talk) 15:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Fair. Consensus to deny? (talk) 04:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Sex Abuse Scandal
I tried to edit this page to add in a sex abuse scandal, but it was taken down as "defamatory statements." The same scandal is a full section under Michigan Football coach Bo Schembechler's Wikipedia page. A similar scandal should be under Ohio State University's page too, but I assume was taken down for the same reasons. It's basically impossible to "prove" since the perpetrators are dead. Is there any middle ground between not having relevant sex abuse scandals listed and treating it like its 100% proven fact? I admit that I am at best an infrequent and inexperienced editor, so any help is appreciated.

Jcsemus (talk) 21:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It's mentioned in the "History" section. It could probably use some more editing; it definitely needs more context and there are probably other existing articles to which it can link to provide some of that e.g., is there a connection to the similar case at Michigan State? ElKevbo (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

ah, I missed that, that's on me. I'll try and do some editing and link it to similar articles at Michigan State and Ohio State. Jcsemus (talk) 01:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated privatization claim
In the history section, the article states "Due to concerns over the university's financial situation, restricted academic freedom succumbing to public pressure, and repercussions of the state's surging partisan hostility,[53] from 2000 and onwards, there has been an ongoing demand for the complete separation of the university and state through privatization.[54][55]"

Despite the articles cited, this is an overtly political claim that has no basis in reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.122.50 (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

African Americans?
Any information on African American graduates? I knew one who attended graduate school in the late forties. He faced a lot of discrimination. Somebody should include a section. --Polinizador (talk) 19:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Just noticing this query as of May of 2022. Under mathematicians, I've included a list of African American mathematicians. Perhaps others can/will make additions to similar lists in future? Feel fre to lead the charge.
 * Bluedudemi (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Academic Influence
"The best universities in the world are those whose faculty and students have the greatest influence on their fields, professions, and the world at large. The top universities are therefore the most influential universities. Through the excellence, achievement, and recognition of their most noteworthy students, alumni, and professors, these schools have had the most profound impact on our accumulated knowledge across time, space, and fields of endeavor."

https://academicinfluence.com/rankings/schools/best-universities-world-today?utm_source=newswire&utm_medium=pr&utm_campaign=2022_q2_0413_er_bestcolleges2022&utm_content=go_bestworld2022_n#university-chicago

In the year 2022, Michigan is ranked 11th on this global list out of 19,775 schools, or in the top .055% in the world.

1)	Can/should this ranking be included or receive a mention in the main article? 2)	If this ranking becomes a regular feature of the ranking universe, should it be included in the various ranking tables?

"Found 50 Results for List of the most influential schools for the years 1990 – 2022" <=== Note that, from the article, it is clear that Michigan's influence is included based on many years having been used to construct the ranking -- a 32 year history of rankings underlying the article and the table -- so not a flash in the pan.

Bluedudemi (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

May I add a sub-sections to this article?
I see that wikipedia says this article is too long

I am new, not using this as an excuse, may I add sub-sections?

And how do I add sub-sections? ChessedPhilemon TheLORDloves 02:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Stale sections/items which should be updated
1) most recent capital campaign: seems to include the 2nd prior campaign which was order of $3Bln but not the recent $5.25bln campaign...the first public campaingn over $5bln. 2) number of endowed chairs: this cite is very stale; 3) research (section): note that the table used for research volumes is published on a significant lag and for prior years: this table will always be stale and should be replaced with a more current source with more current updating; 4) enrollment (section): some of the data is cited as 2014; gives a historical view but may somewhat undercut what is going on now; 5) library (inter alia, volume counts) stats are quite stale; 6) There is a lot of support for considering Michigan the first research University: a) the founding principles of 1817 contemplate a focus on the sciences (the universal system of knowledge...); b) whilst Hopkins has the largest budget (when including their permanent physics lab), several other pages on Wiki assert that claim for Hopkins as well, yet Michigan's chem lab (and many other efforts) preceded the founding of Hopkins (by 20 years?). It seems that the case for Michigan may be stated more strongly in the appropriate section on research. Bluedudemi (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Inglis House was sold in 2017: https://record.umich.edu/articles/sale-will-return-inglis-house-use-family-home/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarrica (talk • contribs) 18:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)