Talk:Ya-Sin

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It was "revealed" at a holy city? How wonderfully sympathetic the tone of that construct. If only wikimedia could approach that level of sympathy among other faith-bashing articles, such as Neurolinguistic programming or Scientology. Xientist 23:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't read the articles in question but do share some of your sentiments regardding faith-bashing. Mecca does come under the wiki list of holy cities Wikipidian 01:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The discussion of the merits of reciting this sura for the dead or dying needs to be supported by references to relevant hadith collections and/or tafsirs - indeed, the actual ahadith and/or commentaries belong on those relevant Wikipedia pages with only links from this page. If someone doesn't do this soon, i'll delete this unsupported discussion from here. Glyns 20:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleted unreferenced hadith and unsupported discussion:

This Surah is memorized by many Muslims and is read by some at religious ceremonies - for example it is often recited at funeral services and ceremonies in remembrance of the dead, though the validity of this practise is disputed. 

One reason for the basis of this action is a Hadith, in which the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) is reported to have said, that if everything in the world had a heart, the Qur'an's heart would be Surah Ya-Seen - however, the hadith is regarded by the majority of muslim hadith scholars to be mawdoo or fabricated. 

Nevertheless, there is evidence for reciting this surah for the dying as opposed to the dead. In addition, there are some authentic hadith which mention the virtues of reciting this particular surah.

Glyns 21:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with this deletion. We can add the cultural importance of the surah back into the page if we can find a reference for it. I have otherwise updated and referenced the page.

Esaterbili (talk)

defining terms
I wonder what the Arabic word transliterated here as "Ya-Seen" actually means. What does the word itself mean? Not the Sura. Not anything else.

Does, for example, it mean "straight path"? which is what I am guessing based upon its ordinal position in the translation to English words and the position I heard it recited in 

And it would be good if some who knew could translate the titles of all the Suras and feature them prominently in the wikipedia.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.96.115 (talk) 04:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of Ya-Sin
Ya-Sin doesn't mean anything directly in Arabic: it is two letters Y and S spelled out. Ya also mean "O" and the commentators believe "Sin" refers to shortened version of insan meaning human used in certain dialects at the time. It is taken to refer to the Prophet and to stress his humanity. See Muhammad Asad's translation of the Qur'an for a discussion.

Esaterbili (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 36
Peace be upon you all,

God Willing I propose to include the following under a new section, if there are no reservations I shall God Willing upload it in another 36 hours time.

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Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 36

Of the 29 Quran Suras (of the 114) that have verse 1 as Quranic initials (Muqattat), يس (YãSîn) (Y. S.)  in Sura 36 has letter “Y” that occurs in this sura 237 times, while the letter “S” (Seen) occurs 48 times. The total of both letters is 285, 19x15. It is noteworthy that the letter “Y” is written in the Quran in two forms; one is obvious and the other is subtle. The subtle form of the letter may be confusing to those who are not thoroughly familiar with the Arabic language. A good example is the word "Araany أَرَىٰنِىٓ which is mentioned twice in 12:36. The letter “Y” is used twice in this word, the first “Y” is subtle and the second is obvious. Sura 36 does not contain a single “Y” of the subtle type. This is a remarkable phenomenon, and one that does not normally occur in a long sura like Sura 36.

(End of the section)

In order to support the above fact please see the explanations below:

(1)	The Miracle of 19: unveiled by Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. in the Quran revealed by God to last Prophet Muhammad is not an original research. This is proven for example by Appendix 1 of the Authorized English Version translated from the Original by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. copyright © Islamic Productions and http://www.19miracle.org/math-miracle-of-quran/.

(2)	The above is based on reliable & verifiable source.

Explanation: (a) It is based on the widely accepted Quran text by Tanzil.net

(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa states Khalifa's first publicized report in the Arab world appeared in the Egyptian magazine Akher Sa'a, in January, 1973. Updates of his research were subsequently published by the same magazine later that year and again in 1975: • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, January 24, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, November 28, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, December 31, 1975.

(c ) Book written by Cesar Adib Majul, Ph.D., Former Dean, Institute of Islamic Studies, University of the Philippines regarding the 19 based Mathematical Structure of Quran:http://books.google.com/books/about/The_names_of_Allah_in_relation_to_the_ma.html?id=pntCAAAACAAJ and https://catalog.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=973897&DB=local and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Adib_Majul

(d) The proof is easily verifiable Sura 36.

(3)	The fact is based on data accepted by main stream & majority of Shia and Sunni Muslims worldwide.

Explanation: (a) These are based on independent, verifiable, reliable, undisputed Quran data, reference texts commonly accepted by those in control of web sites and Quran printings etc. of Sunnis and Shias too, and widely used by “mainstream” Muslims worldwide - The King Fahd Press based Arabic Quran by www.tanzil.net is also used by main stream Shia sect http://quran.al-islam.org/ - we see following statement made for the Quranic initials in Sura 2 verse 1.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:1] Many interpretations have been forwarded and manipulated by some commentators, but they are all based upon conjecture, devoid of any definite authority. According to the holy Imams these letters are a means of reaching the higher realms of true knowledge, available in the verses of the Quran, but the domain of sublime confidences are reserved only for the chosen representatives of Allah.

(b) The Structure of 19 in Quran is one of the modules (Module VI page 13 -14) taught at The University of Calicut, Kerala, India http://www.universityofcalicut.info/syl/Islamic.pdf

(c) Ahmed Deedat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_deedat proclaimed Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. as the [servant of Islam] for his proving the structure based on 19 in Quran.

(4)	The neutral point of view,

The Quran as we all (muslims, submitters to God) know is the unifying factor for moderate ... Islam (Submission to God); therefore to minimize the extremists and sectarian viewpoints (which would be danger to world peace), we trust Wikipedia would not wish to restrict freedom of information etc., of modern, logical & scientific information to the Muslims – for example (per (3) (b) above), 19 based structure in Quran is being taught, obviously to “Mainstream” Muslim and even non-Muslims within Islamic History. Thus with due respect I submit that the modern facts under discussion are not a matter of any issues or view points or ideas. India is the largest democracy in the World, a Secular Country, and its Kerala State give due Constitutional recognition to various religions to the extent that this relation between 19 and Quran is taught at the University of Calicut, Kerala, mentioned above.

Peace

(DukhanSmoke (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC))

Rashid khalifah
the quotes regarding Rashid khalifah should be removed he is not a relevant figure or an authority on this chapter of the Quran. His views are obscure, minority and not representative of mainstream islam or any widely held beliefs regarding this chapter. One look at his wiki page and you will see he claimed to have been a messenger of God [he died in 1990]. Iβn Mᾱsῡd τᾱℓк 12:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Problem with reference 9
I'm just trying to report a problem with reference #9. I've clicked both the link for the article and the little arrow icon and I keep getting directed to pages that want me to download a) Safety by Safety add-on for Firefox and b) Opera browser for Windows. With a), I eventually got through to the Saheh International translation of surah 36, but there was no article with a commentary, which was what I came here to find. On b), I just gave up and came here to report the problem. Can someone more knowledgeable than I fix this link because it's scary to think that in trying to find a scholarly article I may be downloading malware.Minissa (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

By just using the author and book name, I found this reference at this website, although there may be others: https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/17639Minissa (talk) 03:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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