User talk:A Man In Black/Archive1

Consider putting something on your user page, even if it's just #REDIRECT User talk:A Man In Black, which will send people to your talk page immediately. While you're not under any obligation to have a user page, many people are unnecessarily distrustful of people who don't have them, as very few established users and very many sock puppets don't have one. Of course, if you are already aware of this and have consciously chosen not to have a page (for whatever reason) feel free to ignore this. JRM · Talk 11:28, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

Jynx's original design is unknown... Talk in my username.
 * Hello...

Thanks!
Ah, my secret is ... I mean, thank you very much for supporting my RFA nomination! And of course glad to see you here also, only joined back in October myself. (I'm not really sure why I haven't mentioned the nomination in my journal, it's not as though I always wait to present people with faits accomplis in all things :) )... Schissel : bowl listen 01:51, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you ! This promises to be interesting but also good (and I'm pleased as well as honored.) Schissel : bowl listen 22:12, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks! - have found a place and done so, and appreciate the information. Best Schissel : bowl listen 10:24, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

In my own defense
It seems I've been banned as a sockpuppet of Plautus satire for a snarky remark about how one of his trolls could be taken as funny, out of context. While I understand why the admins might be touchy about such remarks, I rather wish someone had taken the time to look at my contribs, or e-mail me, or leave a note on my talk page before placing an indefinite ban.

There wasn't even a note placed on my talk page to alert me why I was banned; I went to continue a conversation on a talk page when I got the ban notice, and had to do into the ban list to find out why I was banned.

I think anyone who had taken the time to look at my contribs can tell that I'm not some random troll, and had the admin in question contacted me, I could have pointed him to at least one Wikipedian (User:Schissel, an admin) who can vouch for my...uh...independent existence.

Hopefully, someone sees this on Recent changes, since the abrupt ban with no note on my talk page has cut me off from the usual channels to defend myself. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks to David Gerard, SPUI, and Sasquatch for sorting everything out. No anger towards the admin who banned me; #wikipedia filled me in on the nutcase. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry that you got caught up in that -- the problem is that trolls like him cause people to get stepped on, which I'm afraid is exactly what happened in your case. &rarr;Raul654 16:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

On VfD
when you send articles of VfD, please make sure that you add them to the logpage, you may want to check the three steps in How to list pages for deletion as you forgot to add Ghastly to the VfD. drini &#9742; 23:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

in re: Danish Blue Cheese NPOV tag
Please expand on your rationale for posting the NPOV tag to the article Danish Blue Cheese. It doesn't look like any of the previous versions had any sort of bias issues. They did have serious quality problems, and I wonder if there is real need for the page. It is likely a candidate for redirection or other action, but I would first like to find out what you intended with your NPOV tag. Thanks. --Mddake 02:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

SEREBII.NET(POKEMON)
That is a fan site...

I thought Wikipidea doesn't allow fan sites? (preceding unsigned comment by Jynx 23:48, 2 August 2005)


 * Please sign your comments when you post to my talk page.
 * Wikipedia doesn't have a set policy on links to fansites, as far as I know, other than the fact that Wikipedia is WP:NOT a web directory. Serebii is a fairly major fansite (as opposed to a site on Geocities) and there had been some discussion on the Pokémon talk page about the appropriateness of a link a while back, so I didn't want to delete it without saying something on the talk page first. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 04:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't have the patience of typing so many extras to sign my comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jynx (talk • contribs) 09:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Up to you, just so don't let anyone know that Serebii regularly pays you for that...


 * I don't have the patience to deal with insults. Please Assume good faith and also realize the difference between a site on Geocities and a well-established fansite (that I simply failed to delete from the article, instead of adding it myself). - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:28, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Rockman Killers etc
Might I suggest, instead of merging the Rockman Killers (and Quint, and King) to Dr. Wily, that they instead be merged into the game to which they belong, or to a page about smaller-than-major-but-bigger-than-8-bosses characters? --Boco XLVII 16:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Pokemon VfDs
Please stop butching the Pokemon articles. You've put three gym leaders up for deletion and keep making pointless redirects. You are destroying the hard work of PAC. Ryan 11:38, August 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Who are you to say if they have personality or not? Please do not be so hasty with opening up VfDs. Those articles are marked as stubs, meaning they will eventually be expanded. Ryan 11:49, August 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Perhaps putting them all on one page would be a good idea. Or, at least, a page for Kanto gym leaders, a separate page for Johto leaders, etc. Ryan 12:03, August 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright. I created List of Johto Gym Leaders to start, as most of the gym leaders you nominated were from Johto. Either I can update it later, or you can now, if I want. I have to go, but I will be on a bit later. Ryan 12:11, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

No consensus had been reached. Until one has, you cannot merge articles like that. I have reverted. By all means set up a test (like at Horsea, Seadra, Kingdra, but don't redirectise the originals and don;t cut out useful information. The PAC can sort it it they need much more information. --Celestianpower talk 12:56, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, I was being WP:BOLD and merging them, for the reasons mentioned on your talk page. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 13:00, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirecting a whole series of articles en masse is the sort of thing that requires consensus or at least discussion before just up and doing it, especially if information is going to be lost in the process.This is made even worse by the fact that some of your information has turned out to be faulty, such as your assertation that several characters did not appear in the manga, when in fact they very clearly did, in multiple chapters as well. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 13:18, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * The misunderstanding that they made single appearances was why I listed them on VFD, and, if you'll note, I delisted them after being corrected. They never even made it to the main VFD pages before I marked them for delisting.
 * As for merging them, see my reasoning on user talk:Celestianpower or WP:PAC. The game info really is cruft; I am in the process of adding their signature Pokémon to the list articles (and welcome anyone from PAC who wants to help me do that), but long lists of specific Pokemon and specific levels from the different levels of the Emerald endgame aren't encyclopedic content. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 13:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem here is that you seem to consider your own opinion of what "cruft" is to be universal when it's pretty obvious that it isn't, since at least two others disagree with you. While it's entirely possible that the game info might be removed at some point, we need to establish consensus first.  We're not talking about one-sentence substubs here, nor are we talking about one or two articles.  This is a whole series of articles, with numerous previous editors.  Discuss, build consensus, then act... not the other way around. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  13:33, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Lists of game statistics are cruft. Describing a character's stable of Pokemon is not. Please take a look at List of Johto Gym Leaders to get an idea of what I'm doing. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 13:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, I checked, because I had the page open anyway. Falkner (Pokémon) had four editors, not counting vandals and reverts. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

If you're coming here to talk to me about this, rather than discuss this across a half-dozen talk pages, hit up Talk:List of Johto Gym Leaders. It helps everyone see everyone's comments (while helping me keep my sanity searching across a half-dozen pages to see what's going on). - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Giovanni's mother (The Woman Boss)
I see in a recent edit you made to Giovanni that you made a hidden (is that the word? I mean those tags that have the "!" sign in them and are visible only in the edit box) question concerning the bit in the article about Giovanni's mother. (i.e "WTF is this?") It's true that this is not exactly mainstream knowledge, so let me explain:

In Japan, a "radio drama" (which as I understand it is basically a Pokémon episode without the animation) was produced, which was about the story of Mewtwo until the events of the first movie. Part of the radio drama was the short "Birth of Mewtwo" video that also exists in English.

The story is narrated by Giovanni, who tells us about when Team Rocket was led by a very beautiful woman that he then identifies as his mother. This woman is referred to as On'na Boss, meaning the Woman/Female Boss. Jessie's mother Miyamoto, a TR agent, brings to her attention the existence of Mew from a recording in the Andes, and On'na Boss sends her to investigate. Miyamoto eventually finds Mew, but is subsequently lost in an avalanche and never heard of again. The story then continues with Giovanni's own attempts to find Mew one generation later, whose results we all know. Hope this cleared things up without being too long-winded! Sinistro 22:01, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't suppose you could rewrite it for clarity? I haven't heard the Japanese radio dramas (and I don't speak Japanese), so I can't do it myself. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 18:14, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Image
Ah, I see. I got it from. Isn't there a rule saying that screenshots are allowed?n Because that's just a screenshot of the anime. If not - I apologize and just delete it. --Celestianpower talk 13:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Johto Gym Leaders TOC
Personally, I think both designs are a bit ugly, Johto__gym because it's awkward and requires nested infoboxes, the one you added because the two columns don't line up. Would it be possible to redesign yours so the two colums line, at least at the center? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * How's that? --Celestianpower talk 14:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. I'm going to update the Johto_gym infobox with that design, if you don't mind. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine. --Celestianpower talk 14:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Poké-infobox
Please see my template idea at User:Celestianpower/pokeinfobox and it in action at User:Celestianpower/pikachu. Thank you. --Celestianpower hab 15:32, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

The before/after schedules for Electric Soldier Porygon
O.k the only reason why I added that is because I wanted to show how the seizure episode effected the original airing of the different episodes that was supposed to air after “Electric Soldier PorygonDenno Senshi Porigon’ if we don’t need it I will be ok with it. But I think it would make a good addition to that article. Thanks -Jsmith talk to me....

Wikiportal Pokémon launched!
In case you didn't see the notice of the WP:PAC talk page, I'll just tell you here: I have launched the new wikiportal for Pokémon here: wikiportal/Pokémon. Have a look and make it hetter! It's quite funny really, when I first met you, I thought you were just a silly deletionist who just wanted "the best countries" and "the best monarchs" and "the best animals" on wikipedia but since, I have come to realise that you actually have invested a lot in wikipedia and just want it to be the best it can be! --Celestianpower hab 19:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Why thank you, although I resent the implication that I'm not a silly deletionist. ;) - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 20:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Opa Ages
Sure thing! Glad to do it. I can protect the page and still have it redirect. - Lucky 6.9 21:38, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Pleasure doing business with you. At least those pathetic attack pages won't appear there any more.  Love the rollback button...but man, it's work when stuff like this comes in! - Lucky 6.9 21:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * My, we've had some naughty little monkeys playing around that article! Must've been hit at least twice just while trying to protect it!  Anyway, I've put a brief block on the most egregious IP's and locked the article down for now.  Any admin can unlock it if I'm not around.  In fact, I have to sign off anyway.  Thanks for the heads-up!  I love fighting vandals. - Lucky 6.9 22:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
You just gave me a real good laugh too! See ya 'round! Hamster Sandwich 01:27, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Poké-infobox
There is a problem with having type2 as a template. See the Pikachu article. Pikachu is single-typed and therefore it makes a mess in the type box (with a template that doesn't exist. AHA!!! I've just thought of something... --Celestianpower hab 22:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF ME?
You told me to make the list of TCG and then you deleted it. For what reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jynx (talk • contribs) 09:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Jynx (Pokémon) is a test article for Template:pokeinfobox, which has a link to the Wikibook, which, I came to discover, already has such a list. It's better suited to the Wikibook anyway. If the infobox link to the Wikibook is eventually deleted (which is still an unresolved issue), I'll restore the list.
 * Incidentally, please stop deleting the original Jynx design. User:Celestianpower was the one who put it back in the article, and, after some reflection, it seems (s?)he is right, since it helps clarify the reason the original design was controversial, by letting the reader see for himself or herself. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:37, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm a "he". LOL! --Celestianpower hab 15:46, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I assume neutrality absent some obvious indicator. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah - I know. That's why I said "For the record". The internet's wierd. You get online "friends" but you have no idea whatsoever of who they are. They could be any sex, creed, colour, nationality, mental stability, sexuality. You just have no idea. Anyway, about Jynx, yeah - I'll do that. I've got it on my watchlist. What is [Jynx the user] doing? Just taking off the image? I think its integral for it to be there. We aren't filtered for the protection of minors here (I know there's a policy on that somewhere). BTW, did you know that on pokemon.com, the black-faced Jynx is still there?!? --Celestianpower hab 16:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh, just keep an eye on it for a bit. User:Jynx and I butt heads about content, phrasing, the works. I just want to reality check myself. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 16:07, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Infobox standardization support
You have voted for the suggestive title Infobox standardisation on Votes for deletion/Infobox standardisation even though your comment indicates that you are actually against standardization creep or at least do not support it unconditionally. VfD for these cases offers the option to vote move to NPOV title. Comment on Votes for deletion/Infobox standardisation if you want the page to be moved, for instance to Should we have instructions to standardize infoboxes?. --Fenice 08:51, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Um? All I voted was "Keep ongoing discussion." I think the name should be kept (albeit maybe changed to Infobox Standardization, since I'm American and all), since guidelines/policies/etc. are declarative, not interrogative. The FIRST thing you see on the page is that it's still a proposal, so it's not like there will be any confusion. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 17:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You seem to be wondering about the wording of my text: it is a mass mailing I posted on many users talk page. I could not tell from your entry on VfD whether you actually supported the instruction or whether you were voting for a specific VfD-policy (which most voters did). --Fenice 17:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm indifferent to the idea of standardizing infoboxes. However, I felt the VFD was, at least inadvertantly, an attempt to cut off a dialogue on the subject, which is inappropriate. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 17:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh I missed that one yesterday. To increase your credibility if you think putting a policy proposal on VfD is a means to cut off a dialogue, you should consistently vote for keeping policy proposals. You have however voted to delete another policy proposals shortly after your statement here. This sets a very bad light on your credibility. It is hard to believe, well actually impossible to believe you are acting in good faith.--Fenice 10:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I felt, in good faith, that the fork proposal was not a good faith attempt to start a new dialogue, but instead an attempt to disrupt an ongoing one. I don't fear for my credibility. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, now I am really confused. Didn't you just swear somewhere you agree with me? Does not look like it. I do not believe your argument. The main reason you are pestering me is probably a bad conscience. I have explained in detail why it is not a fork proposal, and before setting it up. It needs to be established first that we do need standardization before we have standardization. There is nothing to argue. You subscribed to standardization without ever quite realizing it.--Fenice 11:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Pancakes.jpg|100px|right]]
 * Let us now think of Pancakes. I assure you, it will be more useful than continuing this line of conversation. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Infobox standardization
Sorry, Man, people keep asking me to contribute to that page. They're asking for it. What did they think they were going to get apart from sarcasm - a proposal for mandatory pink and green infoboxes? I have nothing to add to that page.--Fenice 09:25, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * How about "I strongly feel that any attempt to standardize the infoboxes is a bad idea"? Strongly and clearly stating your case helps. Sarcasm and disruption to make a WP:POINT just makes you look bad. Personally, I don't want to see any sort of top-down effort to standardize the infoboxes, but this just makes you look bad and annoys everyone involved, on top of confusing the issue.
 * If you don't feel you can contribute in a useful way, then state your case clearly and briefly, then walk away. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I know you want to defend your POV and not listen to other peoples comments still: Maybe if you have a good day think about this: you are voting for a proposal which is going to hinder Wikipedia forever. Numerous users will be busy putting through rules that serve no purpose whatsoever. Numerous users will leave Wikipedia due to the edit wars that you are laying the basis for with the proposal you support. The proposal you are signing includes grave plans to disrupt the work of innocent human beings for an indefinite period of time. The time spent on this stupid debate could go into creating the article that the standardization attempts illustrate ridiculously well: Over-bureaucratization is still a red link to this day, even though this problem has been prevalent for a while.--Fenice 09:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * This is my POV. Note its striking similarity to your own. You need to calm down and walk away from this a bit. You're disrupting the dialogue, and making yourself look bad, not least by wasting your time attacking people who agree with your goals, but not your misguided means. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * If this your POV is strikingly similar to mine than I completely fail to see what your editwarring here is about. If you think I am disrupting a dialogue, and had any example to confirm that I assume you would have already given an example. But Ok, I am waiting for you to come up with one. And I would ask you to get some grip on yourself and not resort to personal attacks (making yourself look bad). There is a policy against that on Wikipedia, read here: WP:NPA. If you think I am attacking people who agree with my goals, give examples. I have only responded to the ones that have not supported my proposal, because this is the thing usually done on VfD.
 * And again, I would like you to think about the consequences of your actions: by supporting the deletion of my policy proposal you will set an important precedent: the first consequence is that other proposals will be put on VfD and the second consequence is that you are going to have infobox standardization (which strangely enough is against your own goals). Also may I express my utter disgust at calling other peoples proposals POV, POINT and the like. That is just beyond discription. --Fenice 09:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not editwarring. Voting in good faith and continuing conversation on talk pages isn't editwarring. You need to calm down. This is advice from someone who agrees with you. Let calmer heads take over the discussion, because you have clearly personalized this debate. You're clearly very angry about this, acting in anger, and are lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you on even procedural issues. Walk away from this for two days. Chill out. I can't tell from your user page what your hobby is, but absorb yourself in it a bit. You'll come back refreshed and destressed, and I promise you that this issue won't be closed by then. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Man in Black,your comments during the last hour were useless and pointless beyond discription. If that is not editwarring I don't know what is. You are doing this because you enjoy annoying other users. There is no real need for your attacks on my person that you could objectively argue. I recommend again you stop this.
 * Trying to convince other users who do not agree with your POV to go away is nowhere near good faith. And if you take a few days off, you will realize that. And do not proclaim you agree with me - you do not. If you would agree with me you would not vote to delete my proposal, don't you think or don't you think?--Fenice 10:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I admit, I'm utterly baffled, and, yet again, I'm not sure how to respond to these increasingly irrational replies, other than to throw my hands up in despair.
 * Fenice, we share the same opinion of Infobox standardisation; in case it's unclear, we both feel that it's useless instruction creep. I feel that you're doing more harm to the cause of defeating it than good, however.
 * You're entitled to the last word in this thread of conversation, as with the previous ones, as I suspect that further replies on my part will only make things worse. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:36, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Well utterly baffled is a good description, again, as several times before and in several places before, I suggest you stop your attacks now. There is no need to attack other users - we have all seen you can. Great. Are you done now? Again, your criticism of my person is completely out of place and goes over any top. What do you think you are doing? Also, so that there is no misunderstanding on my comments on the proposal you favor: the sarcasm about the stupity of having standardization is one thing. It was not meant to be  sarcastic however that I do support to have standardization because there is so much support. I think we should respect that opinion. People who don't like it don't have to stay. The organization is going to run down that alley no matter what. I do know that standardization will be costly to Wikipedia, the people on VfD don't. There is nothing you can do about that but watch them wreck it. --Fenice 11:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Pancakes.jpg|100px|right]]
 * Mmm, pancakes. Would you like some pancakes? Everyone loves pancakes; that's something we can all agree on. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, A Man In Black, you are behaving highly reasonably and in accordance with wikipedia policies and the consenus of the community. Don't worry, keep up the good work. JesseW 10:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

''I think the usual template will do the job, boring as it may be. Plus, "Contrary to our foundation principles"? Puh-lease. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:13, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * "A little hyperbole now and then is cherished by the finest men." JK - your comment above gave me a good chuckle - thx 64.12.116.130 11:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I live to serve. Failing that, amuse. Failing that, serve as a warning to others. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes - I love pancakes and I think you have nothing to worry about, A Man In Black. --Celestianpower hab 11:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:PCP
Are you going to put you're name up for the PCP? --Celestianpower hab 10:44, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Meh. I may wander off on the same whim that brought me into the Pokémon articles in the first place. I'm just like that. No sense being another inactive "member". - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
I didn't realise that you minded me removing something you'd removed from everywhere else, I thought it an open-and-shut kind of edit and obviously I wouldn't do it otherwise. If you'd prefer, I'll leave alone. Sorry. --Celestianpower hab 20:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

File Pile, Second Vote for Deletion
FilePile is once more up for deletion. Your input would be appreciated. --tranquileye 12:57:46, 2005-08-26 (UTC)

Pokémon Chronicles
Could you please tell me why you put a clean-up notice on the article? Sonic Mew | talk to me 19:46, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Snarky reason: because the article is about half poorly-formatted lists, and one-third excruciating detail about fans arguing about how the series was localized. The article needs restructuring, better linking, and a little bit of brushcutting, all by someone knowledgable about the subject but also willing to say, "You know, it's not really necessary to go on for three paragraphs about mild romantic tension being removed from the English-language localization of a childrens' anime."
 * More reasonable reason: The tag is there because the article could do with a little attention from WP:PAC, and bringing things to the attention to the contributors to that project is what the tag is for. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 20:02, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Xenosaga
Thanks for the comment! Should we keep the main characters (main 6, wilhelm, albedo, etc) with their own pages, or create a seperate list for the main characters? - Deckiller
 * Personally, I'd favor a single page for the main characters, but I'm pretty mergist. If it were me, I'd be WP:BOLD and do it, and see if anyone objects.
 * Just a general tip: if you add a ~ to the end of your talk posts, it adds your username and the date. Just like this. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:Coincidences and Pokemon cleanup
Sorry for the late reply, I read your note several days ago and forgot about it. Real life responsibilities lead to Wiki-procrastination.

I was a pretty avid SW:CCG player for a while. I eventually lost interest after moving to a different state, since I had to leave behind all my fellow players. I still have a few hundred rares stowed away in a box in the closet. So where do you remember seeing me? My memory isn't great, and I can't say I remember seeing your nickname. Perhaps on one of the mailing lists or forums?

As for those Pokémon articles, I just cleaned them up on a whim. I haven't played any of the games since the original Red/Blue/Yellow years ago, so I'm not too knowledgeable on the series. I just re-arranged the existing information into a more readable format. My focus on Wikipedia has been wandering lately, so I can't really commit to one of those WikiProjects. I will keep an eye out, though, if I come across any Poké-related articles that I can improve. --Poiuyt Man talk 07:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Warning: I will report you
A Man In Black, I did not authorize you to edit the "see also" section in the Pokemon anime page. I want you to stop removing my link, leave the "see also" section alone. If you do not heed this warning, I WILL report you as a vandal. CoolKatt number 99999

Replied on User talk:CoolKatt number 99999. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:32, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Green/Blue
I'd like to say that, IIRC, Green is used in Fire Red, so it's a case of retcon, wouldn't you say? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:41, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:A Link to the Past - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but should we even consider it canon, since it's a sort of mistake, kind like the FF2/FF4 and FF3/FF6 thing was? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:13, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:A Link to the Past - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 07:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Stop trying to remove it
AMIB, if people want to read about cultural references in Pokemon, then they have the right to at least read it within the main Pokemon anime page. Remove it again and I will report you as a vandal. CoolKatt number 99999


 * I invite you to do so, if you feel the need, since I'm beginning to fear that explaining my motivations in detail will do little to move you. I am reasonably sure consensus is on my side, but if it turns out it's against me, I won't remove that again. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:24, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * On second thought, maybe I should get Amren report you as a vandal. And calling the cultural references section "listcruft" is inappropriate and will NOT be tolerated, since now I consider "cruft" to be an explict word. Anyways, now it's strike 2, strike 3, and I will ask Amren to report you as a vandal. This rivalry is getting to the point where I don't want you here anymore, so either that, or stop editing Pokemon-related articles. CoolKatt number 99999
 * I may also have to request protection of the "cultural references" section by a sysop. CoolKatt number 99999


 * I don't feel like being intimidated, and I don't appreciate the threats. Please carry out your threats or ask for clarification on my motivations and intentions. That said, I'd be happy to talk to Amren if (s)he would like to come and ask me whatever is on his/her mind.
 * There's no vendetta here, at least for my part. I don't like these two articles, but I'm just indifferent to you. Despite our disagreements, I'd still like to see you at WP:PAC] and WP:PCP; your effort is better spent working on the neglected articles that need improving, not tilting at this windmill.
 * If you want to start the dispute resolution procress, please do. I hate fiddling with figuring out where I'm supposed to make a comment, and I don't have a quick way of talking to an admin at the moment. I'd take it as a personal favor if you could start the process (along with protection if necessary, etc.), saving me the effort. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe I will come to WP:PAC and WP:PCP, I don't know yet. CoolKatt number 99999
 * AMIB, maybe I've been too harsh on you, so let's try and settle this like gentlemen CoolKatt number 99999
 * I'd be happy to. I think this stems more from a misunderstanding than anything, and I'd be happy to see it cleared up. I've added some clarifications and my main question about why to keep the list at Talk:Pokémon (anime). - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:54, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Pokemon dispute
Hi, A Man in Black, I have to say I was quite surprised at your comment on my talkpage. I do not know CoolKatt that well, and he seems to have mistook me for an admin when he said that I should report you for vandalism. Although I do edit a lot of videogame related articles and I do revert vandalism, I am not a sysop. About the whole dispute, though, it's true that CoolKatt should not be adding vprotected tags as only an admin has the right to do that (since he can't protect the page). The admin TonySidaway recently protected the article you're having a dispute over, so that conflict seems to have quieted down for now. As for CoolKatt merging cultural references into the Pokemon article, I think he should wait for the VfD to finish before he starts merging the references. Regarding the VfD, he's not really doing anything wrong by calling the votes sockpuppets and the closing admin will determine if there has been sockpuppetry in the Vfd. So all in all, I can't really do much to help since I'm not an admin or a mediator. I hope you two will just let the dispute quiet down and work on resolving it calmly without any personal attacks. Amren <sup style="color:#63B8FF;">(talk) 20:00, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh! I thought you were an admin. You can always volunteer to mediate (anyone can), but there's no onus on you to do so. CoolKatt and I have started talking, so it's going to work itself out, I think, but I appreciate the response. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:PokemonHoenn
Template:PokemonHoenn has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. You are why I saw it to begin with. Spriteless 02:25, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. That template can be deleted as long as it's orphaned. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 07:08, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

PLEASE, pay attention.
I apologize for any aggression, but you continue to ignore me when I say that I am not interested in finding consensus on that because there isn't consensus yet to even DELETE it! So, please, stop asking me to list which article should remain. But lists generally have them in alphabetical order. There is no problem then, because people will go for the A's for Absol. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:04, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Nobody even knows what you want to do. Please make a proposal along the lines of "If there were consensus supporting me, I would..." The reason I'm trying to get you to do this is because a compromise may be in order, or your proposal may even turn out to be acceptable. If you don't propose anything, you're wasting the time of all involved, yourself included. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * On a related note, I changed Absol and Magikarp to use the current template, but in regards to Absol, there doesn't seem to be a thing to remove the Johto preceding and following. Please fix. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:06, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not in a position to be doing much editing for a couple days; check out Pokemon (specifically Pokemon/Absol) for Johto/Hoenn numbers. So far, we've been following the Wikibook's example in going by a by-default Johto numbering scheme (the leftovers going in National order after all the 1/2 gen Pokemon are taken care of) for the sake of simplicity, until Celestianpower or I get around to solving the Johto number problem. Pokeinfobox needs to be adapted to deal with no Johto number as well as no preceding or following Pokemon (for Treeko, Bulbasaur, and Deoxys, mostly), but, again, not happening until Celestian does it or I get back. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Page moves
Hi there, I noticed you moved a page by cutting the text from one page and pasting it into another. There is a better (preferred) way of doing this which preserves the pages edit history). As the page being moved TO already exists, it requires an admin to delete the page.  I'll make the changes now - this way, users who have the old page on their watchlist will automatically have the newly named page on their watchlist). -- Chuq 12:22, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Also - I'm not sure if the preferred naming scheme for Pokemon characters is (Pokemon) or (Pokemon character). WP is being pretty slow for at the moment, so I will carry out the page move anyway - it can always be un-done later! -- Chuq 12:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for doing that for me.
 * As for the naming conventions, the grand majority of the Pokémon character articles are named "Whoever (Pokémon)", as you can see in Category:Pokémon characters. Those characters were only named Whoever (Pokémon character) because there were pre-existing Whoever (Pokémon) articles. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:27, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Note for you
I left you a note on Starblind's user page.


 * I just saw it. Maybe we could continue the conversation here, instead of hijacking Starblind's userpage? - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:26, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Drake
I note in your Poketasks page that you are thinking of merging the Drake articles. Well, they are not the same person. One is the Head Gym Leader in the Orange Islands, while the other is a member of the Hoenn Elite Four. Merges do present themselves, (Orange Island Gym Leaders/Elite Four members/etc), but the two should not be merged together. Sonic Mew | talk to me 16:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for clearing that one up. I wasn't sure if they were the same person.
 * Out of curiousity, are the Kanto and Hoenn Drakes the same person? They're both dragon trainers and heads of the Elite Four, but they don't look like each other and are in different places at the same time. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 05:08, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Kanto Drake? Are you thinking of Lance? Sonic Mew | talk to me 20:18, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I probably was. What was I thinking? - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I've thrown Cultural References back into AfD
Because of your involvement in the last discussion, I thought you may want to partake in the second discussion to delete the article, found here. Maybe we can get through without Coolkat's paranoia this time around. --Apostrophe 00:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
I would like to nominate you for adminship. I believe that you would use the tools well. Do you accept? --Celestianpower hab 09:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not? I appreciate the consideration, and I could stand to get back to doing RC patrol again (before this damnéd Pokémon project sucked up all my attention ;). - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:29, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * LOL! The Pokeuniverse on Wikipedia is beter for it.
 * It's done. See here. --Celestianpower hab 09:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Public school (UK)
Request for comment re Talk:Public school (UK). There is unreasonable resistance to acknowledging Scottish linguistic differences.--Mais oui! 09:05, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Er, I'm American, and not really knowledgable on the subject. I only voted keep in that AFD because it was clear that the debate wasn't about deleting the article. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Re:Ack! Your vote on my RFA
Ack! I noticed that you voted support on my RFA, which is appreciated, but it seems you put it under the oppose header. I don't want to fiddle with someone else's vote, but I'm fairly sure that this is a mistake. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, when I support I usually just add it below the last support vote... corrected now. BTW, good luck, you are a very fine contributor and I hope your RFA gains a lot of support! :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the support greatly, and, barring a sudden turn, it looks like the RFA is going to end up making me an admin. I didn't even get an oppose vote from Boothy (knock on wood). - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:11, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Oppose to support
I changed my oppose vote to support after considering your response. Looks like your going to win! Regards Astrotrain 17:29, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I do appreciate it, both the support vote and the fact that you considered my response. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

RFA
Hi! Your RFA nomination was successful. However a bug in the software is preventing us from setting sysop rights. In other words, you've got the licence but not the keys. More details on the RFA talk page. Thank you for your patience. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  07:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! There wasn't anything I was planning on reverting, deleting, or protecting for a while anyway, so it's no big deal. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 07:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I knew you'd be promoted: well done. :) --Cel e stianpower hablamé 08:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!!
Looking forward to working with you on adminnish things ;) Schissel : bowl listen 12:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

You're a sysop!
Hi,, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp  «Talk»=
 * Jeez, you get a Barnstar for getting a status that came about from doing quality work that probably earned him a Barnstar? :<

Copperchair
He 3RR'd thrice. So did Wookie, but go easy, as Copperchair's just been difficult. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So rame! 24 hours? For three violations plus a past block? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * (Do you mean tame?) I think a day to cool off is appropriate, and I don't want to make an exception to the RAW for enforcement of the WP:3RR the first day out of the gate, you know? - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Shiat
Wish I'd thought of that. I must have shite for brains tonight. CambridgeBayWeather 10:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking of redirecting it to Shi'ar, but that just shows off how much of a geek I am. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Rfa
Congrats on Rfa success! Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk   12:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Ditto! --Maru (talk) 16:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Brookie here - well done on the RfA! :) ...en passant! 15:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Much appreciated! - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Your "hippie" template
If you don't mind, I stole that template from your user page for use on mine as well. :) The Wookieepedian 13:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Steal away. I'm pretty sure it's someone else's joke, and, hell, it's a Cartman quote anyway. It's not like I can claim to own it. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Keyra Augustina
You speedily deleted it I am assuiing because it was previously deleted in May of '05 because people thought that an internet model did not justify having a page. But since then, this past summer, she went "mainstream" by posing in Maxim magazine, thus justifying her credibiilty as a model. It was just speedily deleted without taking into consideration that fact. AriGold 17:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I noticed two V/AfDs on the subject, so I thought that consensus was established. (The second time I speedied it, though, there were just two redirects pointing to each other, not any content.) If VfU has spoken, VfU has spoken, and I'm indifferent to the subject. I won't speedy it again.- A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
Why exactly the change in vote? I think keeping something like this is a horrible precedent which absolutely violates not a crystal ball. Any verifiable plan of a notable person, subsequently changed or rejected, would have a claim. Marskell 17:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Because there's useful info there, under the cruft, and it can be merged into another article. I don't think it needs its own article, but it's not all nonsense/speculation. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I suppose I should further clarify my reasoning. I feel that the fact that Lucas originally said he was going to make twelve or nine movies should be documented as part of Star Wars speculation, as a siginificant impetus for speculation. This article has, at its core, the evidence that he publically claimed that he would make these movies, despite later protests to the contrary. I don't feel that all the scraps of evidence about what he originally planned to have happen in these movies should be assembled into some sort of jigsaw puzzle, just that his earlier public statements should be cited as a source of a great deal of fan community speculation. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (Talk | Contribs) 04:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
You now are listed as the first admin alphabetically - that means that you'll be getting all of the problems from people who don't know who to talk to :). (I should know - that was my position until now). But anyway - congrats on getting the keys to the janitor's closet. – ABCD✉ 02:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

inuse tag
As a courtesy, please do not edit this article while this message is displayed.
 * Can you please listen to the tag? You can make edits later, but I'm having a hard enough time as it is without edit conflicts. Sonic Mew | talk to me 18:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the history or your talk page? When you added that tag, you reverted out my rewrite of an entire section. I just didn't know what was going on; I'll just add my rewrite of that section when you're done, if that works better. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 18:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Afd
You've swayed me, and I've changed my vote, just a quick note to say thank you for pointing out the recreation :) Mallocks 22:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee High School
Thanks for your help with this AFD I started, really, you helped me learn painlessly yet another aspect of the wacky world of AFDs. --W.marsh 00:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. AFD is bewildering enough as it is, so I've been trying to reduce the acrimonious tone and help people understand how it works. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 00:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Cabal
Oh no, you've caught me! Fnord! Fnord! FNORD!!!! -- Essjay ·  Talk 04:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * /me gasps. I see the fnords! zOMG!!!
 * The Cabal is real! It exists! I must tell everyone! --Maru (talk) 04:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE? - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 04:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Your vandalism
Thanks, I needed a laugh! :) --Goobergunch|? 07:18, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Everyone needs one every so often, especially when dealing with a nutcase. Plus, I had just been doing RC patrol, so I was in the spotting-vandalism frame of mind. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 07:22, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Just to tell you that I do plan on cleaning up my act in regard to being disrespectful towards those who annoy me. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:20, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Definitely an admirable goal, but I can't really feel comfortable supporting until I see a pattern of evidence of that, since civility is really important to me. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 07:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I hate to say this, but I'm not quite sure I could ever be comfortable supporting you for adminship, if this, particularly "being respectful was not working to get him to stop ignoring what I was saying." I don't feel that's a healthy attitude, even under pressure. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 07:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * That's just cynicality from me. It's obviously disrespectful for me to be rude towards a user, and I was getting flustered about him disregarding what I was saying, asking me to change my opinion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, anyway, I wasn't trying to mean that I showed no respect for him, I was saying that I couldn't show respect towards what he was saying after he was not as well. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's the undertone of "What I did was inappropriate, but justified," which I see elsewhere, as well. I'm just not comfortable with it. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black  (conspire | past ops) 07:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't trying to justify incivility, I was just saying my reasoning for being uncivil. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but I'm uncomfortable with it, nonetheless. Explaining admitted errors in judgement can easily be interpreted as defending them, and that's part of the problem with confrontation. - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 08:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I'm not defending them. I've cooled down since. I rarely treat others with such a level of temper. Anyhow, I've seen current admins go a little gung ho on certain people, both with audio and action. Anyway, I understand that an admin should not act in such a manner, and I wouldn't act as such and tarnish the image of an admin. Of course, that's just my word, and it can't be proven as simple fact. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's still a confrontational action, you know? There are things you can do in good faith that can still provoke others, and appearing to defend even admitted mistakes is one of them. (No more need to discuss the rest; I understand you plan to change your tone of discourse, and you know I'm not comfortable supporting until after that change.) - A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; color:#000000;">Black (conspire | past ops) 08:15, 6 October 2005 (UTC)