User talk:AnmaFinotera/Archive 5

Agatha Christie's Poirot
Apologies for pestering you again. I am having some problems on Agatha Christie's Poirot article, where an user is trying to insert a section listing "notable" guest stars and mentioning actors that have appeared more than once as different characters. I have tried to explain the POV of "notable" actors, and my belief that an actor appearing more than once in a TV series is not really that unusual - but I'm getting no where. Your opinion as ever would be greatly appreciated.--UpDown (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I can't comment on that one. User:Abtract is an active editor on the article and per the terms of an agreement to avoid issues, I can not have anything to do with articles he edits on (and visa versa). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thanks anyway. Luckily, the issue has died down after a 3rd editor also removed the information.--UpDown (talk) 07:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

List of comic book superpowers
For some reason, the reflist used on this article is. Should I modify it to ? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Reflist 4? Ewww...definitely take that back down to 2. From the discussions I last read in the cite talks (before I got tired of it flooding my watchlist), even 2 is pushing it these days. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Fullmetal DVDs
I was planning to make a dvd table for the episode list but when I saw the amazon both English and Japanese dvds, they were identical. Should it be something like this?Tintor2 (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that would work. Also, consider going with a prose format instead of tables, something like: the series has been released across 13 DVD volumes, with each volume containing 4 episodes on a single disc." Then a summary of the first/last release for each country. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

BarnLoli

 * Thanks! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Merging articles
Can you check this article and see if it can/should be merged? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_ZX_(series) Dragonsblast (talk) 00:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Eww....yes, that one needs some serious merging and help. You may want to post in the project to get some assistant as it needs some heavy work. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Category:Comics featuring anthropomorphic characters
Are manga articles supposed to be in this category? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to say no, but maybe double check at the project. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean WP:CMC? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, the anime/manga project. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'll ask later. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Manga cover images
Thought I bring this up. Why do you feel that uploading the original Japanese cover (such as the recent Image:Vampire Knight, Volume 1.jpg) is better when an English cover exists (and hence what most people reading this Wikipedia would recognize)?--  十  八  06:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it is the original work (and generally there is not that much difference). Novel articles use the first cover, when possible, so it seems more correct to me to use the original cover if available. I also vaguely remember that the last time it was discussed in the project, that was the preferred order where the manga was the primary work: Japanese 1st cover, English 1st cover, Japanese other vol, English other vol.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Strawberry Panic! GAR
I feel that I've done pretty much all I can. Anything I missed, or is the article going to stay a GA?--  十  八  08:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been keeping a rough eye on it, so I'm pretty sure it will stay, but I'll give it another check either at lunch or after work. Great work! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 12:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I found a few more places cites should be added, but otherwise seems fine. I don't think all the images are needed, but should be fine for GA :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've cited them.--  十  八  23:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Alrighty. I left a note on the GAR page as well about the copyedit. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Columns in MoS
Hi,

Regarding this edit, I hadn't seen that before - could you point me to where the MoS discourages the use of columns in this way? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Per the film MoS, a soundtrack section in the film should use the styling dictated by the album project's MoS section on tracklists, which specifies a specific, single column tracklist design. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cheers. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Akatsuki!! Otokojuku and notability
See talk page. Basically, it's certainly successful, but until we can prove it's notable, how about a merge into the prequel series? —Quasirandom (talk) 22:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good plan to me :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

per the film MoS and project discussions, this is a valid removal
Hi, it´s about the deletion of the alternative endings of Blade 3. You left the above comment. Can you please explain for somebody not very familiar with the english wikipedia? 212.40.162.26 (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is under the Film project and there is a specific manual of style (MoS) that film articles should article. Per that MoS and multiple discussions in the film project, consensus has agreed that that alternate endings and deleted scenes added to DVD releases should not be listed in articles as its trivia. The only exception is if there is reliably sourced information discussing why the scenes were removed and the like. Just listing the scenes, however, is felt to be a violation of WP:TRIVIA and adds no encyclopedic value. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Iggy Arbuckle
You aren't a vegetarian, are you? If not, then STOP UNDOING MY EDITS - IT IS IMPORTANT FOR WIKI VISITORS TO KNOW WHAT IDEAS THIS CARTOON HAS! YukonWorld (talk) 04:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it is not important for Wiki visitors to know what ideas you THINK this cartoon has. Find a source or stop making false claims. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The source is the cartoon itself, all the characters are never seen to eat animals or fish, they never talk about it and their devotion to saving the nature proves their vegetarianity! YukonWorld (talk) 04:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it does not. That is your personal opinion and personal interpretation of the series, and it has no place here. Go read WP:OR. Again, unless a reliable source says that the series characters are vegetarian, do not keep adding your own opinions to articles or you risk being blocked. This is not your personal platform for exposing your personal views. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Pwease help me?
My first article is a candidate for speedy deletion... T~T Help me please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Inoue He sung the new opening for Naruto Shippuuden, and he's a growing star... and I think he should have his own article...Moocowsrule (talk) 02:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Sorry, but I agree with the CSD. Singing the opening of a single series doesn't make him notable, and per WP:CRYSTAL, we do not create articles for people based on their possible future notability. If its deleted, ask the deleting admin to userfy it for you, then you can spend more time working on it. Notability must be established by significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. If you can find those and build a more thorough biographical article per WP:BIO, then you could recreate the article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well then why does Kanon Wakeshima have her own page? She sang one ending, and soon two, and people were quick to create her page. I couldn't create a better page because I'm really bad with templates, otherwise I would have made a much better page.Moocowsrule (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * jumps in* That page has been tagged for notability (by AnmaFinotera actually), but it's not been put up for speedy deletion because it has verifiable sources as stated and consists of more then one paragraph. I suspect if this article was of a similar standard, it would be less likely to be put up for Speedy deletion. I'd also argue that being a single paragraph, it might not escape speedy deletion even if notability was "obvious". Singing a naruto theme is certainly no claim to notability in itself, most of the themes for both naruto shows have been by minor artists Dandy Sephy (talk) 03:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What Dandy said. That's why I suggested requesting the article be userfied if its deleted, and also studying up on the biography notability guidelines to learn more about how to establish notability for people. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Claymore
Looks good. I can write the reception section, and we could get away without a production section for GA (in theory). — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 04:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering (assuming) that the information doesn't exist/is hard to find. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 04:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it should have some good reception info out there as it seems to be a fairly popular series and both the manga and anime are licensed. I'll give the lead a quick redo then move it over. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And done. For the reception stuff, ANN has reviewed three of the manga volumes and has some news articles talking about its ranking in Japan to help get the section started.. Hope the rewrite helps some :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did research into available reception information before listing this topic at WP:ANIME/TW. I wouldn't have tried this if I didn't think we could pull this off :p — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 05:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Rurouni Kenshin
I've been eyeing up Rurouni Kenshin as a potential candidate for collaboration aiming towards good topic. You previously pointed out the article (currently a B)as a good example of a lead, but it needed info regarding reception. Since the previous message on the talk page as well as your previous reference to it, the lead has been edited on a couple of occasions. Would you be able to take a look at it and see what needs doing or if the tag can come off? I've compared it to other articles with better ratings and don't see a problem with it, but I'm hardly in a position to give a proper assessment :p

With regards to the associated articles, Himura Kenshin is GA, Sagara Sanosuke is currently B, but has been nominated for GA, and the rest of the characters with seperate pages are all/mostly start class, with several being suggested for merges (not that I've found the details regarding them but presumably into List of Rurouni Kenshin characters). Everything else is start. I'm after your opinion on what should be done first, I want to try and improve some of the "half done" pages before drumming up interest (Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal doesn't even mention it was adapted from a flashback in the manga, thats how bad it is) Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Good question. I think good topic would take awhile, but its certainly a good goal, particularly for this series since it is one of our "biggest" in terms of popularity and the like. I'll take a look at the main article after work and see if the lead needs any tweaking. For doing first, I'm inclined to say deal with any needed merges, so then we aren't "wasting" effort maintaining/editing pages that aren't going to exist. For the characters, if there isn't a discussion yet, feel free to do the tagging and start a discussion at Talk:List of Rurouni Kenshin characters to get the ball rolling. The big challenges will be getting the character list redone ala Naruto's to go for that FL star, along with the chapter and episode lists. Then deal with the individual character, OVA, and film articles. I think its doable, though, as RK should have plenty of reference material out there already to really do some great stuff. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Voice actors
What is the criterion on mentioning voice actors of anime characters? Is it alright to list everyone so long as it's sourced, like this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The original Japanese voice actors should be listed, along with the major English version actors. No other languages, like that one, should be included. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. But is there a particular guideline that I should know of? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't think of a specific guideline at the moment. It just falls under the general idea that this is the English Wikipedia, so we cover the original language and the English versions in detail, while the rest are not giving as much attention. Its the same basic reason we do not do more than maybe briefly mention other countries a manga or anime series is licensed it. It might be good if the MoS did specifically note that in the character section, though I think that whole character article part may be in for an review anyway. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Back to our conversation...
I was just going to go to Kinokuniya, and get Tokyo Tribe. I'm still working on List of series run in Shōnen Book, adding the first and last issues. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool beans! I only have two on going series to pick up volumes for this month, so may go ahead and get those volumes of Free Collars Kingdom and some one-shots. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You haven't gotten Free Collars Kingdom yet? What one-shots are you getting? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 18:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, I picked up some video games last month so decided to wait instead. Not sure on the one-shots yet. Need to see whats on my wishlist. RightStuf is having a sale on Tokyopop titles so also debating picking up the remaining available volumes of Platinum Garden. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Good news! I finished the List of series run in Shōnen Book list! All the dates are on there, just need to source all of them and put translations of the titles. I definatly don't think it's a one-person job, wunna help? :D —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The prose seems to be the main thing that needs sourcing. For translations, I can try to help out, but kinda packed for the weekend. For any that were licensed, though, I think you can just put in the English title with the link to its article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Only one that was published in English would be Speed Racer. I did put the English title. Why are you packing for the weekend? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 19:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't mean packing, just packed as in busy. Need to do some work in my garden and in the house. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oooooh. :P I get cha'. Right now i'm sourcing the dates on the page. I still need to go to Kinokuniya. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 19:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Found a few items while out shopping this weekend. Two Sailor Moon SuperS volumes and a brand new copy of the first volume of Cromartie High School. I bought them all and put them on eBay. :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool. I'm just noticing how weird these squares are: ■. It looks like something you'd bleep out a swear with. STUP■D, D■MB, MEAN■E HE■D. :D —   J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 00:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, I was thinking they look a little like those censor bars you see in government released documents where they mark out all to good parts :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha. They look like that too. : ) Ruplum og rænum! —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 23:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ruplum og rænum? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's icelandic for "You are a Pirate!". —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 21:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyway, what's new? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 23:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Strawberry Panic!
I'm very sorry that I never got back to you on this.. Alas, I think I've done all the anime/manga/video game reviews I can take for a while. Good luck with it, though, and hopefully I can be of more assistance in the future! Scartol •  Tok  15:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Grammar question on video formats
Apparently I owe you another response. =) Technically speaking, neither "to" nor "on" is appropriate when discussing VHS. VHS is a format, which means "in" is best, and usually with an explanatory word after "VHS" – as in: "The first series was released in VHS format in 1998". If you're talking about discs or cassettes, "on" is more standard. (I don't know if we have a technical preference in the textbooks yet, since they're relatively new formats.) If you're saying DVDs, for example, you might say: "The first series was released on six DVDs in 1998".

Notice, too, that "as" also works if you're describing specific products: "The first series was released as six DVDs in 1998". Hope this helps! Scartol •  Tok  15:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, so we're both wrong there then. Thanks and that does help. Never even though about VHS being a format. :p -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: DBZ AfDs
Out of curiosity, AnmaFinotera, why didn't you or Sesshomaru leave any notifications at Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters, where all the discussion was taking place? Glass  Cobra  18:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't nominate any articles for deletion, so why are you also pointing the finger at me? And if you noticed, User:JJJ999 already left a note at that talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, apologies for dragging you into this, Sesshomaru. And yes, JJJ999 did leave a note there, but much much after the fact. As in, several days. Glass  Cobra  18:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because there is no obligation to do so, what so ever, and I would presume that the editors who so vehemently argued against the merges would have had the articles on their watchlists considering they went and reverted them all. All of the AfDs were also posted to the public and highly viewed Anime and manga project deletion list. Also you may note that JJJ999 was the one who initially demanded that the merged items be taken to AfD because he felt talk page consensus for merges was worthless. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As you are an admin, I'd like to ask you to please either do something about JJJ999's continuing unfounded and vicious personal attacks and accusations of collusion, sneakiness, etc, or please advise as to where to report this. He is now repeating his false attacks in the Cell AfD and I'm getting really tired of it. He's even attacking Sesshomaru now and another admin (Sephiroth BCR) with such out right lies. It breaks all lines of WP:AGF and WP:CIVILITY and I'm shocked that he's been allowed to continue to get away with it. Far more experienced and productive editors have been warned for much less, yet he gets to do this for weeks? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo article
I created a new Karakuridôji Ultimo article. It still has a few issues, etc. But so far i'm thinking it looks pretty good. : ) Do you want to help? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 23:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with that work at all, unfortunately. I can do MoS fixes once the info is there, but I'm curious as to how it meets WP:BK for notability? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. : ) The manga is created by former Marvel chairman Stan Lee and Shaman King creator Hiroyuki Takei. It is considered on of the most important manga in Jump history. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The creator doesn't really make it notable though :P Who says it is one of the most important manga in the magazine's history (and, outside of the magazine?) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I updated a few things there. I have a question about the nihongo:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ)


 * Shouldn't it be written like this:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ)


 * Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Where does the "or simply Ultimo" from from? Is that how its primarily referred to, or just a short nickname used casually? If the later, I'd think it wouldn'tneed to be at all. For the lit, yes, I think it is supposed to be shortened. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Something like that. In all the recent interviews I've seen with Stan Lee, he refers to it as "Ultimo". Not sure about the other guy though. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't very clear on that. ^_- That's how it is commonly reffered to by Stan and Viz. Sorry for the confusion. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 03:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is "Karakuridôji Ultimo" the official Viz title? Just want to make sure. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is. Viz uses a circumflex for the "o". —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 03:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify...this is a single chapter story? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It will be created into a full series in Jump SQ. Ultimo also has millions of sources, which makes it easy to write the article. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 04:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Alrighty. I've done some MoS and grammar fixes to the article. Here is another source. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Trinity Blood
The characters do exist. You can see them in many official pieces of art featuring the RCO and they are in the novels. You already know about Susann, amd Guderian is in ROM, but the book hasn't been released in America yet. Nothing I put was spam and I did not destroy the article. I simply added two secondary characters who fill out the remainder of the RCO's roster. The Trinity Blood series doesn't have that many notable characters (or many characters at all), but these characters are just as notable as some of the others on this page. I only ask that you let off this reversion thing only a little bit and stop reverting even the addition of a few sentences. It appears really controlling.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

And so that you know since you haven't noticed miss: Most of that list page is unsourced!74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't say the characters don't exist, but that they seem pretty minor. The list probably has more on the page that need to go because folks just basically added all of the characters from all three versions, though we've culled others before per the talk page. I've removed Wendy and Peter (as I agree with you there). And yes, I know most of the list is unsourced...its still a work in progress since the novels are last to be released but the primary work. If you want to readd, I won't revert again. The whole list will basically be rebuilt from the ground up anyway when all of the novels are available. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok then, I'll readd it. And Believe me: I am here to help and I understand how you feel. I don't think you are a bad person or editor, it is just discouraging to have even the edition of a word or pargraph reverted at the drop of the hat.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks and no problem. I mostly am just trying to keep out the excess stuff, ya know (and I'll admit, the first time you added it, I was like "eh? a werewolf??" :P). If you could put in some notes  (either as hidden comments or as basic refs) noting which novel they are in, it would be helpful for later. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What could help would be to add the official picture/roster of the RCO. I will see if I could add it later. We need a picture for them anyway74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * A single official image of the RCO would be very helpful! If you can find one, though, I believe Wikipedia is set up such that you'd have to register before it will let you upload it (or if you don't want to reigster, you can leave me a note with the link to it and I can can upload). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Cell (Dragon Ball)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Cell (Dragon Ball). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Suntag  ☼  08:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Ball merges: Episode 2, the attack of...(wait, how was it named?)
Now they called another group to see what should happen. I wonder what will happen? By the way, should now full dates be linked? Im a bit confused.Tintor2 (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep...seems like they will never be satisfied with a merge closing, so now they are attacking the AfDs because they aren't going their way either. And no, full dates should no longer be linked per the updated Date MoS to stop the majority of the date auto formatting. This includes in the prose and the tables...I haven't found a good answer about the infoboxes yet though. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not so much attacking the AFDs as attacking the AFDers. Ad hominem attacks are good arguments I heard.  Sui get  su  02:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * True, though it seems like they are doing both. The AfDs both seem to be going to merge, IMHO, so now they seek to invalidate them by attacking the nominators. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We should really merge them soon, since there obviously isn't a single valid argument for keeping the articles regardless of what the fanboys whine about.  Sui get  su  02:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually they all already were merged, but the complainers undid all three merges, then went on the attack on the talk page. When the AfDs are done and, presuming they close as merge, they each have links to the merged versions for easy remerging. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Goddamnit.  Sui get  su  02:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Suigetsu, be considerate of what AnmaFinotera wrote at the top of this page. What you just wrote sounded very rude, also notice how she didn't respond to you. While you're at it, also try not to be so vulgar here on Wikipedia, as some of the vulgraty can be offensive to some users. Not so much to me, but just keep that in mind. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 00:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Its okay, I understand his frustration with the mess going on over there. I just didn't reply because that pretty much said it all :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry. :nP I'm a hickalope. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * hickalope? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. Hickalope. It's a running joke with my cousins, along with "I'm a dorkfish!". —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

St■pid IP's. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 16:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Alas, many of them are. A few are good though. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

RE:Timmy Martin
I left a note on her talk page. One for you; even if you may be backed by policy in a matter, you're still not allowed to edit war. Since this is a content dispute, you can't just plainly revert edits as vandalism. Next time, come get me so that we can settle this before you guys make 50 revisions each, ok? :) Thanks, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  05:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do. This is why I gave up editing most of the Lassie articles awhile back. *sigh* Too much drama, even if I do love the series and want to see it have pretty FA stars beside its name. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't have to give up; just a bit less conflict would be great. :D Anyway, do you think you can figure this out with Lassie or do you want me to moderate and help you guys reach a decision? Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  05:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Abandoning them to their sad state is less stressful than dealing with her, as she seems determind to reject anything I do. I firmly believe this article (as well as the series article) could be fairly quickly and easily taken to GA and/or FA with some work, so I'm finding it very frustrating dealing with this kind of thing. The show has a ton of sources, and yet both are start class, and I honestly feel it is because the whole thing is "controlled" by a single fan who chases away other editors, including those experienced in the topic. When I took on editing Meerkat Manor, it was primarily "controlled" by some minor fans (uh, minor as in age not lessor importance), and they were far more receptive to discussing and actually learning from more experienced editors than ItsLassieTime seems to be. As someone who wrestled what was once a very badly done single lengthy fancruft piece into a featured article, two featured lists, a good article, and a featured topic, it is hard for me to deal with her complete lack of respect for other editors and her total disregard for many guidelines, policies, and other editor's experience.


 * You may notice from her talk page that after my nominating Ruth and Paul Martin's articles for AfD, she went on a pointy spree of AfDing obviously notable character articles. We went through stuff over and over on the series page, though then she acted fairly polite at first and eager to learn, but I finally just walked away rather than deal with that kind of thing over and over. Anyway, I've asked for an opinion from the TV project on which version is "best practices" for this article. Some moderation would be good, though, as I do still at least edit the Lassie articles and would like to not have to worry about her coming behind and reverting everything I do simply because she doesn't like me anymore. Kinda sad if ya think about it, considering I was the one who welcomed her here and praised her earlier edits. No good deed and all that...-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I realize it may be hard to stay civil, but I find that the number one cause of these matters spiraling downwards is that people lose sight of what they're actually discussing and just begin a torrent of ad-hominem attacks or berate the other editor(s) for what they did that is perceived wrong, etc. I know it may be hard to try to keep working with someone who isn't exactly reciprocating, but hopefully Lassie will respond on my talk page and you guys can handle this just fine.
 * Thanks for keeping your cool (for the most part :P) up 'til now! Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  01:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Triple crown awards
Just making a note that you qualify for one of User:Durova's triple crown awards, namely the imperial triple crown (2-4 DYK/GA/FC). Feel free to nominate yourself at WP:CROWN/NOM. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh cool! Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Man, if I had just one more GA, I could go for Imperial Napoleonic triple crown *grin* Alas, my current most likely candidate needs a copy editing. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox links
Hello, I am thinking about going ahead and requesting the change to Film to remove the external links based on the community discussion. I would like to make sure that this does not deprive articles of links to IMDb, AMG, or the official site. Do you have any suggestions about setting up a bot or some kind of method to go through with this? — Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...I'm guessing a decent bot editor could whip up something fairly quickly. The anime and manga project did a bunch of changes to some of our infoboxes recently, but I think a single editor just went through and changed all the articles using AWB. There is a page there where one can request tasks be done. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Spamming
I did resent being accused of spamming, though, even if you were joking. :-( --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * When a redlink user adds an external link to a guideline page like that, spam tends to be my first thought. Didn't realize at first that you were an active editor. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. Yeah, I get more than a few askance glances because I haven't bothered to create a user page. I guess I feel that it isn't that important who I am, I'm just here to edit. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for responding. Cheers, GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries...you aren't the first to be here for ages and make one. Then I see some just make one that's blank to get rid of the red LOL. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Unmerge discussion
Is this like an early April Fool's joke? I feel like we're on Candid Camera or something.  Sui get  su  00:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wish. This guy is being total rabid. I suspect that unless an admin steps in and makes him, he is going to just keep restarting the discussion over and over and over until everyone gets sick of it and he drives all editors away so he can do whatever he likes. Either way, this is annoying and disruptive. No real work is going on with the list now because of all this mess.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be insane to open up an RfA for this? (arbitration, not adminship)  Sui get  su  00:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure...they are two requests for mediation now on the Cell and Tien S. merges. *sigh* I'd say a RfC/U, but those are pretty useless. Maybe the information arbitration, as I don't think they will take a full arbitration unless the rest have been done? I think something should be done, though. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, why are admins like DGG and GlassCobra supposedly supporting the articles and opposing the merges, or is that just a concoction by JJJ?  Sui get  su  00:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Its mostly a concoction. They did both feel there was no clear consensus to merge on the Cell and Tien Shinhan discussions, which led to their being unmerged and taken to AfD instead. DGG has expressed no opinion on either article on the list page, while GlassCobra did note he supported keeping Cell separate and has been part of the discussion regarding what to do with Trunks and Future Trunks. JJJ999 however, has decided that this all means that the admins "yelled" at anyone who opposed the merges (false) and would help him save the articles (also false, both are fair admins who can put aside their own points of view to accepted a wider consensus). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Our vectors cannot handle stupidity of this magnitude, chief.  Sui get  su  01:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm amused that after the pages of personal attacks and out right nastiness he has displayed, he is calling you rude. *eye roll* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition to that, I'm surprised that he thinks it holds any weight. I mean, around here, saying I'm rude is like saying that water is blue. /facepalm.  Sui get  su  01:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm getting tired of this... I'm seriously having to restrain myself from going apeshit on this guy. Can you take over the debates for a minute while I have some water, or something to take my mind off of what is probably the biggest hit to my faith in humanity since Janet Jackson's Super Bowl flash?  Sui get  su  02:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I suspect that until an admin actually puts their foot down, he will just keep up with the personal attacks. I'm rather disappointed that for a discussion with at least 3 admins, no one has done so yet. For the most part, I'm just trying to ignore him at this point and barely even read what he writes. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Saga Breakdown fix
I've been trying to fix the saga breakdown. The Namek saga is missing from the context. Can you help me insert it...the Namek saga ends in "Goku...Super Saiyan" and Captain Ginyu saga starts from the episode "Ginyu Assault". - Zarbon (talk) 02:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The saga is not missing. Funimation does not include it in its list of sagas, hence it not being there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're wrong. Actually, Funimation DOES include it. Did you manage to buy the season 2 DVD set? You'd see on it, it says "The complete NAMEK and Captain Ginyu Sagas". The Namek saga is not a part of the Captain Ginyu Saga. Please take note of this. I'd stake my life on it. Do I HAVE to show you the actual capture of the DVD BOX released by Funimation to prove this to you? Because NEVER EVER were "Zarbon Transformed" and "Escape from Dodoria" a part of the "Captain Ginyu Saga". - Zarbon (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah, Funimation released a Namek saga box set.  Sui get  su  02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Look at the official Dragon Ball Z page from Funimation. They do not have the Namek saga listed. A reliable source is needed to say the Funimation page is wrong. Looking at the covers of the official DVDs, I see no mention of Saga's at all, it uses season divisions instead. Was that an older DVD release? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You're being foolish. The site has not yet been updated for the past year. It's still missing information from all the sagas. You shouldn't rely on the website, they are still missing lots of information there. Here's your ACTUAL PROOF: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d7/ce/39e0eb6709a003409ba13110.L.jpg - Zarbon (talk) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Erm, although I begrudgingly agree with you, the "foolish" comment was uncalled for. In the future, remain WP:CIVIL.  Sui get  su  02:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to insult me here. The back does indeed say that, but does it say where the division is? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I didn't mean to insult at all. By foolish I meant that my edit was dismissed almost immediately without looking into the actual item. No offence, alright. Here's the actual amazon listing as you requested. Just check the images of the boxart for your convenience. The Funimation website is delayed with much of its data and is lacking with too much to name. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MTOM8A/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header - Zarbon (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The episode break comes from "Ginyu Assault" starting the Captain Ginyu Saga. It was only 7 episodes. - Zarbon (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've restored your edits. Thanks for providing the source for that. Where does Namek start? You said its only seven episodes, but the division you put in gives it 27? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Namek is not 7. Captain Ginyu Saga is 7. I said Namek is much longer my dear comrade. Namek starts at Friends or Foes...and ends at Legend Revealed a.k.a. Goku...Super Saiyan. - Zarbon (talk) 02:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay...you said It was only seven, I presumed you meant Namek. Gotcha. Thanks. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome mate. Cheers. :] - Zarbon (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Trunks vs F. Trunks
There is some confusion regarding the sections. I placed your comments and all others in a section at the end of the page, as a "new" section. Hope you don't mind it. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  04:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, you moved some of comments to totally different sections :P I undid then redid it per what you just said here. Is that what you meant to do? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you agree with me?
I made an edit on World of Naruto about the "ANBU", I changed it to "ANBU Black Ops" because that is the official English manga title. Then someone reverted it. I then put a section on the discussion, and nobody has responded yet... So do you agree with me? Talk:World_of_Naruto. Agree or disagree...Moocowsrule (talk) 03:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Answered there. It depends on whether ANBU is an accepted abbreviation/short form also used in the English release. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Requests for arbitration#Abtract and AnmaFinotera (and Sesshomaru)
Please note that I have made a RfAR here with you as a named party. You are invited to make a statement in respect of the request (You may wish to review both the request and the main page before doing so.) LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The above is my response to your latest comment on my talkpage. I suggest that you give a brief but concise statement with regard to how you feel Abtract is interacting with you with one or two examples at most (the most recent ones you can find). The idea is that ArbCom should be convinced there is a case to look at, so huge swathes of "evidence" is not needed yet. Just state your case clearly. Hopefully this will be accepted, and then you can gather all the detail to "prove" your position. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I just hope it does more than the RfC/U did back in May. Half a year of this nightmare...*sigh8 -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh8? Is that simply 1 level more than sigh7, or twice as much? LessHeard vanU (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, its increased by a factor of 10 :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit summary

 * You reverted with an edit summary of vandalism. This is inappropriate because the edit in question was reverting to an earlier version, just as you did. Presumably this is part of the long edit war that you are waging over this topic but your incivility will not help resolve it. Please use TW more carefully. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Removing validly sourced information is vandalism, and as thus far the only person who has been doing that revert is the Disney vandal who is indef blocked multiple times over, it is a valid claim of vandalism. Nothing edit war about it and there is nothing uncivil about calling a spade a spade. He is banned from editing here period. As per guidelines, all of his edits are reverted as vandalism. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Question
I saw this Date audit, script-assisted; see mosnum | Delink common terms

And I'm wondering if you used some kind of shortcut instead of delinking the dates and such one by one.DragonZero (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm using a script to do it quickly. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * How do you use a script?DragonZero (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You add it to your monobook.js file. If you aren't familiar with them, though, you shouldn't start with a script like this as its easy to make a boo boo. Usually one of the first scripts people use are thinks like Friendly (tagging and welcoming) or Twinkle (reverting, issuing warnings, filing ARVs, xFDing, PRODs, and CSDs). Once you have it installed, the script will add new tabs at the top of the page or maybe new links to the left side, that you can click for additional function. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Two more questions. Since I recently had a name change, I can't access my discussion page anymore and everytime I do it takes me to the usurped DragonZero. Another question is whether I should delink names in red that about voice actors or actors.DragonZero (talk) 05:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw when it was being done and I think the admin who did your name change didn't quite finish doing your talk page. You may want to ask him to double check that. For the voice actors, in general yes they should be delinked unless its likely they will have articles made for them. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Lead paragraph of Dragon Ball
Can you take a shot at it? I just tried to rework it a bit during some copy-editing, but I don't know, something about the lead paragraph seems wrong. Or is it just me? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gave it a whirl, let me know if that's any better. In the end, I think it should eventually be four paragraphs, but its hard to do much more with it until the rest of the article is copyedited, as I had trouble understanding some parts. The reception info could use some info on the sales of the anime series, if available. So much more work needed...weee -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adjusting it. Off the top of your head was a copy-edit request already made? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So far as I know, not yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I expanded the lead a bit more. Does the to-do list need to be updated?Tintor2 (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi?.Tintor2 (talk) 00:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That isn't quite what I meant about it needing expanding (and you undid much of the redo I did). The article itself needs more work before the lead can be finished anymore. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposal of Revisit of Touhou Project or Tōhō Project?
Long title. Help.Moocowsrule (talk) 06:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * I just re-read the WP:MJ and realized I was pretty wrong... so sorry, you can delete this... Moocowsrule (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * O_O. OMG!!! Tōhō Project is more popular than Touhou Project according to Google! Revisit back on.Moocowsrule (talk) 06:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Left a response there, but seems Touhou Project is the more commonly used name. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Blood+ light novels
I just noticed that the release dates for the first four novels on the List of Blood+ light novels page are different from those stated on the ISBN pages of the original books, sometimes off by a whole month. I bought them as they were coming out, so I know the dates in the books are the correct dates, but they don't match up with the ones on the Kadokawa Shoten. Normally when this happens I just use the book as the reference, but since you've put a lot of work into this page, I wanted to ask you first. Grapeofdeath (talk) 19:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...not sure what to do there. I have never seen the books themselves used as sources for their release date, likely because the dates may be changed after the books are printed. Maybe see if another source agrees with what's in the books? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm not sure about this either. Perhaps it's best to stay with the Kadokawa site since it's an official source. I'll look around, but If I don't see anything else that agrees with the books, I'll stick with the site. I've used books as a source in the past, mainly when they're old enough for their dates not to appear on amazon.co.jp and they're not on any official site. Grapeofdeath (talk) 19:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Questions
I have done clean-up to Talk:Teletubbies.Is the Teletubbies article a core article?I was trying to mark it as such but if it's not I'll leave it alone.I put up a notice for sources too.I'd like to merge Teletubbies Say Eh-Oh! with the Teletubbies as well.Thanks Moblieisanawesomecity (talk) 20:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh I forgot: what are we going to do about Talk:Tinky Winky?Tinky Winky has now been merged and my redirect apperenty wasn't helpful.So should we just delete it?I'm wondering about Talk:Dipsy and Talk:Teletubbies trivia to...Moblieisanawesomecity (talk) 22:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it is not a core article. The project decides what a core article is, not a single editor. Talk pages of merged articles are not redirected. Project templates are removed and if they have existing discussion, it is marked as an archive. That's it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Citing standards
Increasing involvement in yonkoma articles like List of Lucky Star characters and Sunshine Sketch raised a question: should they be cited in the same way as other manga using cite book with page accuracy, or use cite comic with strip-accuracy? Thanks!-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Manga volumes should always be sited using cite book with page accuracy as they are not released the same as American comics. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Even when yonkoma is more akin to the strip comics in the US?-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Are they yonkoma from manga volumes or from some other medium? If they are in a regular manga volume, yes, still use cite book and cite the page. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you.-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  16:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Case closed episodes
How did you set season two without summary so fast? It took me like ten minutes to copy and paste |List of Case Closed episode

Also for the second title, it's a direct translation of the Japanese words so should it not be beside the Japanese title since that title is not used for the episodes since they rename it.

Also I could probably get the summaries for the fourteenth series making it complete. Afterwards should it be turned into another page? DragonZero (talk) 01:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Search/replace in notepad is your friend (*grin*). For the titles, it follows the same format as the other similar episode lists. Dub title first, direct translation section but sharing the same line. For the rest of the season pages, one reason the rest haven't been split is because of the issue of whose seasons to use. I believe the first two use Funimations, and we don't know how they will divide the rest of the seasons yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * How about the season on tv.com? I think it's pretty reliable. DragonZero (talk) 01:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, it isn't. TV.com is notoriously unreliable for anime series seasons (one reason it isn't considered a reliable source except as a last resort for airdates). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting idea
Just a possible long-term project you probably would be interested in. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 02:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...interesting indeed. I suspect Viz Media itself will be the hardest. SJ is pretty much ready for GA except for a copyedit. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedia
Hi collectian, can I ask you something? I saw you added to Dragon Ball and Tokyo Mew Mew production info about them? Does it contain production about Bleach or Fullmetal Alchemist? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The Anime Encyclopedia? No, it was published before either of those was released, unfortunately. I don't know if the second edition might have them or not, but I think it also came out before them. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and sorry if I was a little snappy. Just totally threw me for a loop, but in the end this will result in a boost for the list. Take a look at the changes I made to see how to do the transclusion style splits that are now preferred (and I do agree, we need to put this somewhere, but alas, when I suggested it before as an addition to the MoS it was rejected). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. At first I was a bit WTF!?!?!?, but while I don't necessarily understand the ins and outs, I can see why it's better. It's frustrating for me because without anything to say how it should be done, I'm just going to think Wp:Bold and make the changes if I see no reason not to. I seem to be 50% do it right away and 50% ask first and then not actually do it. I was a bit eager to get it done so I could say I achieved something :p This "I break it, you fix it" seems to be becoming an annoying habit though... Dandy Sephy (talk) 01:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Long as ya keep learning from the breaks, its cool ;) You have some time to work on the air dates and titles? ANN has all of them to use as a starting point. I'll start with season 1 if you want to hit season 2? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I've already started season1! Dandy Sephy (talk) 01:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, guess I'll do season 2 then :P BTW, don't forget the Romanji titles :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Only got a partial list for those. I'm doing one field type at a time to minimise mistakes Dandy Sephy (talk) 01:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys I think I made a mess while adding the theme song to the seasons. Just check the main list. What happened?Tintor2 (talk) 13:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Woops...somehow the closing onlyinclude got dropped on the season 2 page. All fixed-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be good if I replace amazon.com refs with rightstuff?Tintor2 (talk) 17:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That shouldn't be needed either (remember, retailer sites should be a last resort, not a first choice). AoD/Mania or ANN should have all of the DVD release info. As a side note, when you do use Amazon.com or .co.jp links, make sure you clean out the extra stuff. The basic URL should be fairly short. Let me know if you need some examples :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Should a section about the OVAs and the film be added to the main list?Tintor2 (talk) 18:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * To the RK list? There should be a section for the OVAs as they are episodes, but not the film (beyond a brief mention in the lead). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Plot of Dragon Ball
Have you ever seen Dragon Ball. You write errors and undo my corrections and do some tweaking based on my writing. The plot needs lot's of work and I may have gone in too much detail but you leave out what made Dragon Ball what it is today. By the way Cell didn't absorb the entire Red Ribbon Army. Andros Amatakis (talk


 * First, the plot summary is based on the manga, not the anime. The anime is a secondary work. Your writing is full of grammatical errors and makes little sense, here or in the article. Your additions added excessive minute details that were unnecessary. If there is an actual factual error, please point it out, but do not just keep putting in badly written stuff. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

What grammatical errors? I didn't rewrite the plot from scratch, I tried working through your writing. I corrected mistakes and filled in the gaps. Andros Amatakis (talk


 * Everything you wrote was full of grammatical and spelling errors. It made for rather bad reading. Your message above is full of them as well. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

List of series run in Shōnen Book
Are you going to help out? you said you'd do the translations. : ) It's definatly not a one person job. : P I can tell you that much. : P So far I think the sourcing looks good. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 15:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Translations? If it hasn't been released in English, just use the kanji/romanji title? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason I started putting lit. translations is because if it's just the romaji, no English person will understand it. They just see Japanese jibberish. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 15:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There isn't anything wrong with the Japanese language. Many tiles are released here with romanji names and readers are going to expect to see Japanese in an article about a Japanese magazine. Adding literal translations is getting too much into the OR realm, to me, for the unlicensed series. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, i'll erase them. : D It makes the page sooooo much easier! : ) The reason I wanted to add them is because when I show my artwork to people I give them the name of the series i'm working on: Shino Dorō wo Kuddate Ochiro Koto and they always ask for a translation. So I though I should give translations on the lists. : P —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 16:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, true. But in our case, its better just to have the original except where there is an official English title. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well.............................*_*......:D....you wanna help with sourcing? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 16:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What needs sourcing? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * All of the dates. ×_× —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 16:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do dates not needith sourcing? : S —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 22:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it seems like the dates may be considered to be sourced from the magazine itself, at least that is my guess from Shojo Beat passing GA without any refs in the table. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Explain that a little bit better, I think I just misunderstood you. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 00:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that the dates titles appear in the magazine may be considered to be sourced from the magazine itself without explicit addition of cite journal for every date. This is because Shojo Beats article has no cites on the table, but passed GA without that being an issue, so I believe it is similar to plot where in it doesn't need the explicit site for that specific part. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk ·' contribs) 00:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So basically I don't need the dates? —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * --I mean sources. : P —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 02:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say no on sources (yes on the dates) :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, what do we need to make it to a C class? Let's start on making paragraphs. —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 16:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * A lot of the little paragraphs in the decades section seem a bit ORy, and they should all probably be moved up to the lead, rewritten some to be more encyclopedic and note the exact dates of changes. The tables should be fixed up so they all use the same format and fixed widths so the appearance is consistent throughout. While the tables themselves shouldn't need sources, everything else does. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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Re
Well, let's just completely ignore that they're awful, have a strong POV, and sound like they're advertising the show (? and !s should never be used in Wikipedia writing). And the incredible size of the list. And the fact that TV.com and IMDB etc. exist. I guess besides those, I have no reason. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Being badly written is no reason to remove them completely. Tag it for issues but don't remove them. The list is big because its a big show and splits are having to be done slowly due to the release schedule and Funimation not being consistent with season divisions. The existance of TV.com and IMDB is irrelevant. Episode lists here have summaries. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

ADV & Anime Network
Hi, I noticed that on A.D. Vision's talk page you suggested merging Anime Network into AD Vision's article. I am not going to state my stance about that here but you referred to Anime Network being a defunct channel which is inaccurate. Anime Network originally launched on Comcast as a free Video On Demand service back in 2002 with the 24/7 channel being launched two years later and discontinued in 2008. Anime Network still continues to support their original form as a Video On Demand broadcaster and their broadband online player, both are regularly updated.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  03:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Your three messages on the talk page were quite sufficent (and the sarcasm in them was completely unnecessary). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jungle Book character articles
Hi there. I've removed prod notices from a few articles you prodded, as I don't really understand how your reasoning relates to the guidelines you cite. It is true that the articles could do with far more references, but I'm sure it is not true that there is "no significant coverage in reliable third party sources" about, say, Bagheera and Baloo, both characters that are so well-known to have entered folklore. There must be many critical studies of Kipling looking at the characters, and indeed works on adaptation of the book into film and other media (oddly, it looks like French wikipedia has separate articles for each character in film from in the books). It is instead that no one has yet added references to secondary sources. I think one should also consider that the primary source is itself a reference and a means of verification. WP:RS says "Primary sources are considered reliable for basic statements of fact as to what is contained within the primary source itself (for example, a work of fiction is considered a reliable source for a summary of the plot of that work of fiction)".

Also deletion of these articles would remove the content they contain, and other than the lack of references they look like good articles to me. Surely if it went to AfD, the result would be keep or at least merge into List of The Jungle Book characters or similar. If merging work needs to be done, proposed deletion doesn't seem appropriate to me. --Cedderstk 13:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They are not notable characters at all, and I seriously doubt the "many critical studies" would cover some of the ridiculously minor characters that had articles made for them. Also, primary sources are NOT valid indicators of notability, as has long been established. These articles contain no content that have any actual value. They are plot regurgitation with excessive non-free images and OR. Since you took it upon yourself to deprod them all, please make sure you go back and put the oldprod notices on all of their talk pages. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I consider Kipling classic fiction. Unlike video, which is an area where serious research is just beginning, and many of the sources are rare or informal, this is an major area of conventional English academic work in English literature, and has been so for over 50 years. There are therefore innumerable book and articles--and academics do have the tendency to go into minute detail.  gave a link to a few of the many books about his work--I think almost none of the separate articles in existence are for really trivial characters mentioned once in the background, so they will be treated . Agreed the articles are in rather poor shape, as so many of the fiction character articles are. This time, lets see what can be done to improving them. I can not do much myself to improve articles about shows whose very existence I think deplorable -- just encourage those who know about them, and keep the articles in existence until they get working, but this is something else, where I know how to find references and am  familiar with libraries that have the print sources I may need--and even know a few of the actual specialists. In a sense, I try to help those other articles primarily  in order to safeguard the classic fiction. However, I cannot work on this very fast, and it would help if you went rather slowly here until you became convinced. DGG (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A few selected articles is one thing. Mowgli - obviously notable. Baloo, yes. Some other major, borderline without seeing some sources. I know we tend to have different views on what makes a notable character, but surely even you would have to agree that the AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedia conception
About that encyclopedia I asked you before, is there something about creation of Saint Seiya (aka Knights of the Zodiac)? I wanted to add a production section the article but all the interviews I know are from unreliable sources. Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It mentions that series several times in addition to having a full section on it. I'm gonna go grab some dinner right quick, but when I get back I'll go through the mentions to see if anything could be of value to the article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It will help a lot.Tintor2 (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it had no production-type info, but I have added some reception info from it to the article. Hope that helps some :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok but congratulations for you FA. Its amazing.Tintor2 (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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Grizzly Rage
Good work on the article. I had just suggested expansion if there was any other relevant information you think you could find. I did a brief Google search myself and only found reviews. I would recommend still keeping an eye out, but it looks like you've exhausted the information currently available. When advancing to GA, be sure to stress this. If possible though, see if you can mention something about the music/soundtrack (if any) within the film, or any potential DVD releases in the future. Anyways, good luck, and keep up the good work. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do and thanks :) So far, they don't seem to be doing any soundtrack releases for these "Maneater" films. I saw a hint that they were re-releasing them in DVD sets, but I haven't been able to confirm it yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not having a chance to back to you. I thought this section would be a good one to reply in since the title seems to convey the situation. Concerning the attack, it looks like since it dealt with talking about the article at hand a bit, it should remain unless s/he decided to revise it to something more respectful, which seemed to occur in this case. If it were to occur again, you can just point out your side of the argument, remind the editor to assume good faith, and ignore the content. It would look worse for you to attempt to remove it, and the other party attempt to readd it, and the issue go back and forth. You're not going to appease everybody (I've definitely pissed off a lot of people for various reasons, but never tried to escalate the situation, knowing that it wouldn't be constructive). If you think you acted in error, be open in pointing it out, and work to improve collaboration in improving the article. If not, just move on. I hope that helped, and let me know if you have any other issues (or when you got another article ready for B review). --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks and no problem. I was glad he willingly removed the remarks himself and went back to just the issues. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

BarnSakura for excellent edits to Tokyo Mew Mew

 * Aww, thanks! :)
 * Crap, I was beat out on the barnstar. Nevertheless, congrats on all your hard work, and I look forward to more FAs in the future ;-) — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 17:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I suspect Wolf's Rain or Escaflowne will be my next attempt, but first, the TMM lists. :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the featured article, it's about time our project had another one (what with Mana (series) not being in our scope, and Excel Saga being downgraded and all...)! ^_^ — Dino guy  1000  17:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed! We kick butt on featured lists, but would love to see more FAs to our name :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, cute! 00:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't know those were ribbons until I saw the image title. :P —  J U M P G U R U   ■TALK■ 01:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Um...
Um... What? Care to explain it more? 189.136.41.54 (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That category you added to a lot of articles does not exist. Before adding categories to article, they need to actually exist. Not saying its a totally bad idea, but it should be proposed at the anime/manga project first as I believe there have been recent discussions regarding appropriate names for such categories. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, I was trying to create it, but can you do all the burocratic mumbo jumbo for me? I don´t know anything about all that. 189.136.41.54 (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey there!
I see you keep reverting that IP. I don't really think that counts as vandalism, imo. But it isn't correct. Next time revert as a AGF revert and leave a message. Thanks,   CWii ( Talk  03:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm reverting as vandalism because he's been vandalizing the article for days under multiple IPs ripping out the plot section. He's been left messages on all the IPs, but ignores and keeps doing it. Now he's trying to rename the section, despite also being told (on the article talk page and his user page) to stop. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Dracula (Caminhos do Coração)
There's about a million things wrong with this article. Well, what are your thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ummm...I'd be inclined to merge that to a list if there is one, or to the main series article. That isn't not a notable character at all. Though considering the main article....ewww....its one reason I ran away from soaps ages ago :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Kinda harsh on the IP?
While there are certainly problems with the edits it seems you may have seen a browser problem and then rejected everything about the changes.

Negatives:
 * collapsed paragraphs - I think most likely you saw this and thought it pure vandalism; it is bad, but might be possibly just a bug smashing the paragraphs together; the editor should have noticed the bad effects, yes...
 * removal of the articleissues tag; maybe they thought they were helping 'enough'?
 * added wikiquote link that does not actually exist (yet?) (maybe they got the link name wrong?)

Not negatives:
 * linking to existing articles on people
 * changing image size (or that is, letting original image size through?)
 * mentioning different title for UK
 * mentioning "Prince Charming" reference (though unref'ed)
 * de-linking two red-linked song titles
 * moving categories to bottom (not standard, but not vandalism)
 * correctly sorting the inter-wiki-links ('he', 'ko', 'ja' were out of order)

Basically I just can't see the 'vandalism' part of this. Some bits definitely badly done, and in checking now I know that inter-wiki-links go after categories, but I just don't see the maliciousness. All in all, don't you think rejecting all the changes and slapping a "identified as vandalism" comment on these edits was disproportionate? Which of these changes would you not want? (category move, collapsed paragraphs, etc.?) Shenme (talk) 02:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, no browser problem and was not being harsh (or no harsher than necessary). That isn't a random editor. It is a sock puppet that has been indef blocked some 30+ times. Whenever he comes back (almost daily), all of his edits are reverted and he is blocked again. Also, many of his edits are reverting articles that have been cleaned to versions that are weeks and/or months old. He also loves to refactor talk pages and has bragged that he only does all this because he is bored and likes to see how long it takes for his next IP and/or username sock to get blocked. We've been dealing with him for months here and on simple Wikipedia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, sorry. Later on yesterday the thought popped into my head whether that was the "Disney bandit" or whatever. It is very hard to track _all_ the varieties of people 'round here.  I mean, the Serafin Polish-fanatic is famous enough not to be missed, or at least mistaken.  (sigh)  Sorry to have not thought of it earlier.  Hmm, could there be a standard way of notating reverts, such as done for blocks? Or would that transgress WP:RBI? Shenme (talk) 02:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Usually just revert as vandalism (or if the edits are obvious vandalism like some of his are, I'll sometimes do a regular rollback with a note that its a blocked sock). Otherwise, though, its generally just revert, report as soon as he's identified, and then let the sock be noted on the user page and the block log. I keep a list of his known IPs and socks at User:AnmaFinotera/Links. Generally, if the IP is one of the ranges he has used before and hits Disney articles reverting them to old versions or refactoring talk pages, its him. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:ANIME/ASSESS
Hi AnmaFinotera,

Myself and Dinoguy1000 have recently added assessment guidelines for lists to help classify them by class, and would like your input. Would you please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Assessment regarding these guidelines?

As always, I appreciate your help.

G.A.S talk 15:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To be specific, they apply to chapter and episode lists, although the description of List-class also covers "pure" lists (stand-alone and navilists). If you'd care to write something up for character lists, that'd be awesome too! — Dino guy  1000  16:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, will take a look after my nap. Just came back from a 4 hour drive to pick up the newest member of my family :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Disney articles
Hi, do you know the story behind the many ip edits on Disney film articles. Like today the IP 70.146.254.92. Making weird edits on article and discussion pages. I noticed you reverted them a couple of times before. A lot of times even, it seems a long time issue. Garion96 (talk) 19:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * He is un-affectionately known as the Disney Vandal. He does a lot of bad edits to a lot of Disney and Teletubbies articles, refactors talk pages, and does out right vandalism. He's been indef blocked under some 30+ IPs and usernames. When spotted, I generally just revert all of his edits and report him for blocking. I've requested many of those be semi-protected, but so far the request has been declined. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I see a lot of the articles are now protected, good. What's with all those IP's and Disney articles? A year or so ago there was one who liked to add false information to Disney articles, like adding Mel Blanc to (almost) all Disney films. I will keep an eye on it too, and block on sight when I see them. Garion96 (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea. This particularly one claims to be a bored 13 year old kid who also likes editing on Unecyclopedia and who just hates his life and likes to see how long it takes us to catch him. Wish he would find a real hobby. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Source
Finally I found some conception about Reborn! here but I think this source is pretty unreliable, isnt it?Tintor2 (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it is user edited so yep it fails WP:RS. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Neuro page
Am I allowed to mark the pages full of so it would be easier to reference for the next person?DragonZero (talk) 05:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You are, though if the page needs a lot of citations, its generally considered tidier and better to just flag the whole article as needing citations, and maybe popping a note on the talk page to note why. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

October 2008
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Self-warning. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit war
See ItsLassieTime's talk page for the warning and explanation I left there. I'm willing to mediate the issue if you wish. cf38 talk  08:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, though I suspect it won't help much from what I've seen in our earlier scuffles. For now, I've asked for the page to be locked as we have both violated 3RR. I also earlier asked a different admin if he'd be willing to step in and take a look at the issue since we don't know when Master of Puppets will return. I had made the suggestion that to avoid conflicts, she stick to the Lassie TV articles and I'll stick to the film, but her response was to start editing a film article I had on my to do list. *sigh* Meanwhile, it would at least be good if she would stop adding incorrect information to the article. Its technical vandalism, but I've refrained from warning her because of our previous issues. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Ok, I'll keep an eye on her contributions. Don't sink down to her level, because she sounds like a stubborn 8 year old. If she continues to violate policy, report her to WP:ARV. Well done in seeing the 3RR rule, and temporarily locking the page. If I find that specific one, I'll give you a barnstar for your quick thinking and excellent desicions :D cf38 talk  08:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've been trying to avoid responding in kind after MoP reminded me to stay within civility even if she doesn't. But its very hard when she keeps making so many personal attacks. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

stalking?
She's just left a note on my talk, saying that you are stalking her, etc... I don't believe that's true, but I'm going t tell her not to edit Lassie articles until she's cooled down. cf38 talk  08:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, she started making those claims after the whole Timmy character article issue from a few weeks ago. Completely unfounded and, frankly, a bit over the top and hysterical to me. I've had many Lassie articles in my watch list before she ever even had an account. Loved the series as a kid and had many of them on my to do list to fix up. She decided that because I do like ALL other editors, and review edits that pop up in my watchlist and make corrections or reversions as needed, that I'm somehow stalking her. She has also falsely claimed I was using a sock puppet to claim false consensus and that I had canvassed and acted in collusion with others. Every admin whose seen her claim, including MoP, has basically been ignoring her accusations because they are totally false and unfounded. During our last round of conflict, she didn't act nearly this bad, but was bad enough that I walked away from all the Lassie articles for awhile (unknowing that she had apparently done the same thing, or I'd have gone ahead and fixed up a bunch of the articles). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Peacefull solutuion

 * Thanks. Unfortunately, the RPP hasn't been answered yet, so she reverted the plot again, then put false tags on the article, obviously copied from one of the character articles I tagged weeks ago. *sigh* For now, I'm just gonna let her dig her own grave (so to speak) and get some sleep. I have a 4 hour drive to make in a few hours to take my new puppy back to the rescue group I got her from because she was exposed to parvo and has to be isolated. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

- I left a message to stop editing and to cool down on her talk page, but she really is that stubborn to ignore it and you can say she's continuing to 'de-wikify' an article. I'm gonna keep an eye on her contributions, and if it's too much I'll ask for admin intervention. Good luck at the rescue center :) cf38  talk  09:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Gonna be a long drive. Meanwhile, I've given up on the Lassie articles, again, until an admin can step in and do something about the whole situation. I'm sick of her personal attacks and her laughable claims that I have ownership issues when she will not let anyone edit any Lassie article and refuses to even comply with the guidelines of Wikipedia that she dislikes, including the Film MoS, no trivia, requirement for reliable sources, cooperative editing, etc. It sucks that none of the Lassie film articles will ever be more than start class while she has ownership of them, but its not worth the time to try to get them to GA level with all her rabid attacks and edit warring going on. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eyeshield 21
Can you please find where it needs improvements, including sub lists. Also for the episode list, is there a shortcut to re-order the dates because I don't want to go through 145 episodes to re-organize the dates. Also for the episode list my ref for some Japanese site does not seem to be working. DragonZero (talk) 09:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...the main needs a lot of work. I wouldn't call it a C class article myself and have correct that. First, the article needs to meet the MoS. The character section should have one main link, to the character list. That list should have the rest of the links to subarticles. That section also needs a "lead out" - i.e. a summary of the list. The anime and manga sections also need them. Cast should be removed - voice actors should be noted on the character list, not as a list in the main. There is a broken ref, and the whole article needs more references. When done, the lead should have few to no references as it should be a summary of the whole article. Tokyo Mew Mew can be a good inspiration for most of this work. With its length, though, it should have a separate character section, unlike with TMM which merged the characters to the plot because it ended up being redundant.


 * For the sublists, I'd recommend cleaning up all of the team lists to remove excessive plot detail and address some of the in-universe info. The same should be done on the main list, with any minor characters removed. Then look at merging the team lists to the main. There shouldn't be a need for so many lists. Eventually, the list needs sourcing, and sections on conception/creation and reception (and a real lead). List of Naruto characters would be a good model to follow for improvements there. The tournament articles should also be removed. They fail all notability guidelines. At most, a short summary might be appropriate in the main article, but that's about it. List of Eyeshield 21 chapters needs a proper lead, with sources, and the notes should all be removed. The chapter table should have a pure summary, not extraneous notes. Most of the notes appear to just be trivia or OR anyway. List of Eyeshield 21 episodes also needs a proper lead, though is in slightly better shape, but missing sources. The two episode articles need to go. Project consensus has agreed, there are maybe two episodes of anime that are notable enough for their own articles. The plot summaries in the list need expansion, and maybe discuss possible ways to split the list. How is it being released in English? Any official season divisions?


 * I fixed the dates in the ep list using a script. :) Hope that helps some. Might be a good idea to add it as a clean up project for the clean up taskforce as it might get other editors to help out. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you delete the tournament articles? I don't think Blanking the page would delete it. Also my work might become undone.DragonZero (talk) 02:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend redirecting them to the main, with an edit summary noting they fail WP:N, WP:WAF, and WP:PLOT. If its undone, they should be AfDed for the same reasons. They can't just be deleted, though, without the AfD, so a redirect is a good alternative (and avoids red links). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I also have no clue on how to redirect a page. Also what will happen to the page if it's redirected. Will it be blanked?DragonZero (talk) 06:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically, yes. I've redirected them. Looks like they were already tagged for merge anyway, but don't see that they have any content worth merging. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Lassie, again
Ok, sigh... if this continues I'm going to have to look into a topic ban for you guys. The main issue isn't even the information being put into the articles, but how you're reacting; like both of you have acknowledged, one makes an edit and the other reverts, and then that continues for a while. That has to stop. I don't support LassieTime's allegations of stalking, and I understand that you are just trying to do well, but please, don't edit war. Discuss the changes. Seeing that that hasn't really worked up 'til now, ask for a third opinion. Hell, I'll even start reviewing edits. Just stop edit warring because all that's happening is you're both getting increasingly stressed. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :)  00:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * First, welcome back (though sorry it is to see how bad things went) :) Hope all is okay? (its she, BTW). And I agree. I've tried hard to temper my responses and avoid edit warring, but she aggravates the heck out of me. Her repeated personal attacks are just so over the top and frantic, her reaction just makes no sense to me at ll. Now, she won't even let me edit any Lassie article now. When I expanded the plot of Challenge to Lassie, she reverted for no reason at all, then started up again with the claims that I was stalking. She even went back and removed edits that I made months ago from The Painted Hills for no valid reason I can see other than I made them. I reverted it once then took it off my watchlist. I've also gone ahead and removed the remaining Lassie articles from my watchlist (except for the episode lists, which I personally spent days creating) and will basically just walk away from them until things are resolved. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the welcome, I got caught up in work, and yeah, all is well now :) Anyway, thanks for trying; she probably just feels pressured/cornered and is reacting to a perceived threat. Also, her reverting your edits is very interesting given that she was complaining about you stalking her... well, this is getting complicated isn't it? >_< Well, if I could ask you for a huge favour; just don't revert any of her edits until she's responded here. If you do then I have to restrict your editing and blah blah and power trip and whatever, and I hate doing that! :P Of course, same applies for LassieTime. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  00:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem and will do (or, uh, I guess not do *grin*) Unfortunately, it seems like in the end, the only solution was for me to just abandon all the Lassie articles after all, as she is now happily ruining editing them all without any care or concern for Wikipedia's guidelines at all.  So I guess the lesson learned here is: act hysterical enough and even if you break dozens of guidelines and policies, you can take over ownership of an entire topic.  *sigh*--  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs)

Hamtaro
I need some help, again.

I just made an episode list but I'm not sure if it's good enough to not be deleted.

I'm not sure what to do with the broadcast stations.

I need a shortcut so I don't have to through one hundred hamsters renaming them to this format. Hamtaro (ハム太郎)DragonZero (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No reason it should be deleted. An episode list is a valid extension of an article. I fixed a few minor issues with it, but otherwise seems fine. Do what with which broadcast stations and where? For the Hamsters, in the episode list, only the English names should be listed. The full nihongo should only be on the character list. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete and move request at Sci Fi Channel (United States)
Hey there. I declined your request of moving SCI FI back. You mentioned in your request that consensus was not for the move but I cannot find any opposition to it within the last 5 months. As you know, silence may imply consensus, so I think we can assume that there was no consensus against it at least. I would prefer if you could discuss the matter at the relevant talk page(s) and request db-move again when discussion took place. Regards  So Why  13:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There hasn't been any discussion on that article period since even before the first move. But I've posted a discussion on it.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

RfC
Can I request that you remove your comment from the RfC. The only reason my comment is there is because the RfC instructions say to leave a neutral comment there for people to read. People who were involved in the discussion shouldn't take part in the RfC, unless it involved rebutting new arguments (even then, it's best to leave it all to third-party editors). I have left a comment on Termer's page stating the same thing. The reason I am asking is because it's just fueling people who were already in the debate to come down to the RfC and clutter that up with the same arguments. The point of the RfC is to find new people to leave their opinions, and as Termer has proved, if one of us starts leaving comments there then everyone will feel they have to assert their opinion all over again, defeating the purpose of the RfC.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my bad. Didn't realize that RfC's couldn't include those already in the debate. I've removed it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Generally, they don't because they want to attract new blood to the debate and not rehash it from the same people. I appreciate you remove your comment. Termer apparently believes that my neutral statement about what the RfC is for is actually "not" neutral and refuses to remove his comment unless I remove mine (ignoring the fact that RfC actually tells me to put that comment there). Anyways, again, thanks for removing your comment.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. Learned something new :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hatnote
I was thinking, should I make the hats at Naruto and Sailor Moon be set up like the second one in InuYasha? Maybe it's good to reference title characters, even if a disambiguation page exists. What do you think? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, I think both should note that "for the character" similar to InuYasha. Both are just as likely to be what someone is searching for as the series itself. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, is there a difference whether it is 'title character' or 'titular character'? Perhaps the latter should apply to the Naruto one. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it pretty much means the same. Titular just sounds fancier :-D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Peer review/List of Reborn! chapters/archive1
Hi AnmaFinotera, could you pay a look at List of Reborn! chapters and adress your concerns? Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments left :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Disney redux
And of course, there are the numerous sockpuppets/ip's of User:Skymac207. Can't imagine I forgot him, even got a nice collection of FY e-mails from him..... I blocked the latest IP. Garion96 (talk) 20:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, can't forget him either. At least the Disney kid isn't as good at block evasion as some of our more infamous vandals (like Mr. "Break You Now" who keeps several user talk pages in a near perpetual state of semi-protection :P)-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite an impressive protection log you have there. :) Feel free to nag me to extent the protection when/if needed again. Garion96 (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) And speak of the Disney devil, he hit again with another IP and another named account (and found another account that missed being tagged, wee!). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, kind of interesting. First skymac's new ip followed by the Disney vandal. Do they coordinate this stuff? :) Garion96 (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, sometimes ya gotta wonder! I put in a report at abuse to see if someone will take up the next step of talking to the kids ISP, see if maybe they will step in and smack him a bit. Not sure if it will really help, but worth a short. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

kenshin ref
bah you picked up on that a little too well. The ref was glitchy in preview because of the apostrophe in the url. It was ok once I hit submit though. unfortunately I don't think we can change the statement? Dandy Sephy (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * and then just now I found a completely different reference that was wrong as well! Somehow someone duplicated a reference I added the other day, but changed the url and title instead of using <ref name=*referencename*> to recall it Dandy Sephy (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope on changing the edit summary, but no worries. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing it :) For the second one, if they changed the URL/title, go ahead and just take the name off unless its still the same actual source? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Email, plz
Hi there. Can you email me please, ASAP? It's re. the Disney Vandal. Please don't re-add that data to ANI, in the meantime - A l is o n  ❤ 00:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon
With regards to your revert here, I am just curious why Pokémon is only of Mid importance? Could you tell me, or point me to a relevant discussion of this. I just can't see why such a famous, influential franchise that spawned a craze lasting for years would not have a higher rating. Thanks, Artichoker [ talk ]  18:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It is determined by the anime and manga project. The guidelines are here WikiProject Anime and manga/Assessment. For any article to be top or high, it must be done by consensus of the project, and series are pretty much never considered to be top priority as the scale is based on readers as a whole, not just the project itself. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. Best, Artichoker [ talk ]  18:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This caught me a bit by surprise when I saw it, too, but I could definitely see how Pokémon (as in, the main franchise article) would be only of Mid-importance to the animanga project, even after asking for project consensus to bump it higher. — Dino guy  1000  19:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be worth a discussion, if one wasn't done already (can't remember...too cold *brrr*). I would say it should be rated as high as a series can be rated...which currently seems to be mid, but that might be debatable. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The priority scale you linked to above seems to indicate that the highest rating a series can receive is 'High' (e.g. Gundam) I think it might be worth a discussion to see if Pokémon could also be changed to High. Artichoker [ talk ]  19:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

FLC
Replied to your concerns at Featured list candidates/List of Soul Eater chapters. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 19:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied again. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 19:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw, we edit conflicted :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have the time, any comments you can make on Featured list candidates/List of D.Gray-man episodes and Featured list candidates/List of D.Gray-man chapters, both rather devoid of comments, would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 06:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments left at both. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And my FLCs are frequently becoming devoid of comments, could you please comment at Featured list candidates/List of Bleach episodes (season 4) and Featured list candidates/List of Bleach episodes (season 7)? Thanks, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 10:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Will hit both this afternoon after my monthly volunteer service :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Death Busters

 * I got carried away and I apologize for that, but apologizing to Saintvlas22 is something I won't be doing as his behavior is, quite frankly, disgusting (and what got me to being snarky in the first place). JuJube (talk) 07:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I won't ask you to. He is being something of a *insert bad word*, just to try not to respond in kind (and yes, I realize the irony of this coming from me LOL) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

That's very fair isn't it - I get a bunch of reprimands for being uncivil, yet JuJube (well, i guess he/she did) and Masamage don't seem to be being hassled the way I am - are you reading what is going on, or not? I'm being told off for instilling 'personal attacks', yet some I have just been responding to based on Masamage triggering them first. Again, I can see this system is quite fair also... Saintvlas22 (talk) 15:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you're not *supposed* to respond in kind to personal attacks, you're supposed to ignore them, or get a neutral third party in there, depending on the length and severity of the attacking. Of course, many of us have problems with that, but that's because we're human, more than anything. =) — Dino guy  1000  16:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't just help but feel favoritism is being leaned towards here - I get heckled with threats of being banned while the other person doesn't get much of any mention. It takes two to argue, as they say. I'm just feeling that I'm getting the shafted treatment because they haven't bumped elbows with me before, and I'm difficult (which I never said I wasn't). I hardly think AnmaFinotera is in any position to be a 'neutral' party - he's made it known what he thinks of me to his buddy, so I think my apprehensiveness of getting any fair outside treatment is justified. Saintvlas22 (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Try looking at it from AnmaFinotera's POV: because of how she edits, she tends to rub a lot of people the wrong way when they first encounter her, and to complicate matters, she doesn't have the best anger management skills (no offense intended, AnmaFinotera ;) ). Unfortunately, most of the people bothered by her are ones who aren't familiar with Wikipedia guidelines and policy, either, and AnmaFinotera also tends to have problems with properly explaining herself - it gets rather tiring having to explain something over and over to different (and sometimes the same) people (I know this firsthand =P ). She's quite familiar with guidelines, though, so she generally knows what she's doing, and the project keeps an eye on her to make sure she doesn't step too far out of line. And BTW, AnmaFinotera is a she, not a he (something that lots of people mess up on, so don't worry so much about it ;) ). — Dino guy  1000  16:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Editors like her usually need to be taken down a notch - that no, they don't have final say and they're the same as everyone else. Her response of usually just throwing links for policies and guidelines at people as a way of explaining herself is crap - if she can go happy-crazy on her editing, she can make her point clear and NOT be lazy. it goes both ways in responsibility. As one much wiser user said: 'everyone can interpret the policies and guidelines differently' and 'you must be careful to explain the policies and guidelines rather than just shower someone with links'. Maybe she should tone it down if she can't yet explain why she does what she does well enough. And meh, as you can probably tell from my tone of writing, I'm about as abrasive as using sand paper as toilet paper, so I don't really notice. Saintvlas22 (talk) 17:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoa, when did this become about me. I left you a warning for the personal attacks, AND I left Jujube a warning for calling you an idiot. Your responses have been extremely uncivil, yet I did give her a warning as well. I didn't leave Masamage a warning because they didn't make personal attacks. And yes, I am in a position to be a neutral party. Just because I expressed an opinion in the discussion does not mean that I can't ask EVERYONE to be more civil. If I was being unneutral I'd have just reported you and had you blocked already, but I've been trying to give you time to calm down and be more rational, but apparently you can't. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I'm a boy. ^_^ JuJube (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFLOL, I get called a guy when I'm a girl, then a call a guy a girl. Gotta love it! :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi edits
Hi, I wasn't logged in when I edited Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 8), but I understand. But the synopsis I edited for the fourth episode wasn't copyrighted, so can I put that back? Candyo32 (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can put that one back since its just editing the existing one. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Foreign voice actors
I know we've talked about it before, but what happens if those "non-notable voice actors" are sourced and/or have Wikipedia articles, like this one and these? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter. They should not be listed in any of our character articles as far as I know. Only the original Japanese actors and the English dubs. The other languages should be listed in their respective Wikis, but not here. If they aren't notable, I'd also question why they have Wikipedia articles except for creations by fans. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Done, though I fear this isn't the end. Did you ever happen to watchlist Son Goku (Dragon Ball)? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I had, then I took it off again after getting annoyed by all that drama over the character list merges. Will readd it. Also left a note to the editor who was going around adding them to a few places. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Sjakoj
Hi, AnmaFinotera, I saw that you'd reported at WP:AIV.  However, to be honest, I looked through the contribs and didn't see anything that looked like obvious vandalism, so I removed the entry. Looks like it had been sitting there for a couple hours, which is usually a good indication that other admins are perplexed about it too. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying it's non-obvious to someone (such as myself) who is unfamiliar with the situation, and AIV is normally for pretty blatant stuff. If you'd like to be more specific though, I'll take another look? --Elonka 02:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He is a known sockpuppeter with over 30+ IP and named socks and has been indef blocked numerous times. He doesn't get more chances just because he behaves at first. He always reverts back to his usual behavior, and right now his main vandalism is adding bad interwiki links to articles he's creating under sock accounts. I usually report him straihgt to AIV because its way faster than continuing to update his sockpuppet report and so he can be blocked as soon as he is spotted rather than letting him be disruptive for the days or weeks an SSP can take. He has been refactoring talk pages (which is vandalism the way he does it). See also the section above which is also about him. He's been hitting CY Wikipedia as well. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, can you point me at the sockpuppet report, and is he listed at Long term abuse? --Elonka 03:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He isn't listed there, though he really should be. I did file an abuse report to see if it can be stopped at the ISP level. The two SSPs are Suspected sock puppets/Iluvteletubbies and Suspected sock puppets/70.146.241.244. He's self identified pretty much all other socks almost happily. I did also file a check user request at Requests for checkuser/Case/Bambifan101, but those can be slow going as well now that the admin who was check usering these is on a wikibreak. I even tried requesting a global ban, but they are basically saying he isn't disrupting enough Wikis (3 different ones aren't enough??) *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sorry if it seems like I'm asking dumb questions here, but I'm really not understanding how what he's doing is vandalism. For example, you diffed this, but it looks like a reasonable edit to me? What am I missing? --Elonka 03:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He is a sock. He isn't allowed to edit, period. All of his edits are therefore vandalism per the blocking policy. However, see also refactoring talk page, including removing comments, which is one of his favorite things to do and randomly changing an article to Stub when it obviously is not.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, so you're reporting him at WP:AIV because he's evading a block, and not because he's vandalizing? --Elonka 03:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, multiple indef blocks. Also, if you look carefully at the CY links he is adding, they are all false. Each one has a deliberate spelling error to point to a fake article rather than the real ones. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you supply a couple diffs? I spot-checked a few, and they seemed to point to legitimate targets. --Elonka 19:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * and if you check the CY version and Simple versions, you'll see he specifically created these articles, generally in conjunction with Iluvteletubbies (and already identified sock of Bambifan101). Also note he has yet to refute his being tagged as a sock. He was quick to point out when one account was tagged as a possible sock that wasn't him, but he generally accepts being identified then just keeps doing what he wants to do until he is blocked again. He is also copying articles from here to the CY wikipedia so he can post his preferred versions that all of his socks try to revert to rather than the cleaned up ones. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What about his most recent edits? Such as this which is now blatantly obvious showing that he is a sock? Will someone step up and finally reblock him?? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I back AnmaFinotera's comments. This user's edits, hiding behind a veneer of apparaently "innocent mistakes", are at best obviously disruptive and at worst pure vandalism: his incarnations Iluvteletubbies and Sjakoj are now perma-banned from Welsh Wikipedia.  I think en. should follow suit and would like to see some action taken for the global accounts (Iluvteletubbies and Sjakoj and possibly others) as well. (See also section above). Enaidmawr (talk) 01:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Restrictions on editing of articles between Abtract, AnmaFinotera and Sesshomaru
By agreement of a majority of the involved administrators, the restrictions here have been amended in the following way, and come into effect at the conclusion of this arbitration case:

Important Notice These restrictions are imposed upon the above named editors, and are not subject to further amendment without agreement of a majority of the "involved administrators".


 * Matters between and  shall be handled according to the restrictions/remedies enacted by the Arbitration Committee.
 * and are banned from interacting with, or, directly or indirectly, commenting on each other on any page in Wikipedia. Should either account violate their bans, they may be blocked for up to one week. After the fifth such violation, the maximum block length shall be increased to one month. This restriction may only be enforced if violations are reported directly by either Abtract or Sesshomaru - it does not apply if violations are reported by any other editor(s).
 * Further remedies concerning Abtract, AnmaFinotera and/or Sesshomaru may be enacted to include banning interactions with any other user, if it is later deemed necessary in the opinion of 3 administrators to prevent harassment.
 * The editors are already aware of the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, and are reminded that edit-warring has a disruptive and detrimental effect on Wikipedia. Should any of these 3 users edit-war in the future, they may be subject to further sanctions (including wider revert limitations, blocks and bans).

Involved administrators are, , and who should act with due notice to all the other parties. Other admins are welcome to add their names to the above, and comments by any other party is welcome.

+ + + + +

To whom it may concern, the above was discussed and agreed upon here by a majority of the involved administrators. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Shikabane Hime
Think there's something odd here. Is it ok to promote watching animated videos on YouTube? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely not, even if possibly legit (which I'd doubt in this case), we do not distribute those links. Mentioning that Funi has released the eps to YouTube or similar sites is fine (with a source), but that's all that should be said. The pricing and what not is unnecessary. I also removed the Hulu link. There was a HUGE discussion about Hulu.com on one of the EL sites and pretty clear consensus that it doesn't belong here. Fails multiple EL criteria. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Two templates and their usage
Hi. Should Template:ER to list entry and Template:CharR to list entry be placed on the talk pages of redirects, or on the redirected page? Also, should it be subst'ed or used as normal? Regards, <font face="Verdana"><font color=#000066>Matthewedwards 05:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be placed on the redirected page right after the redirect code. It should be used normally, not subst'ed. For the first use for a series, you'll need to make the category page as well. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Suspected disruptive sockpuppetry at Welsh wikipedia
Hi, just wondering if it was really yourself who left a notice for user Paul-L over on cy: tonight regarding two sockpuppets cahsing each other's contributions there. User names: Iluvteletubbies and Sjakoj. Noticed they both have accounts here and the former has been banned. I'd really appreciated your help on this, if you could spare the time to come over and take a look at their actions. Both are back again after I spent a tedious half hour reverting "minor" misedits etc. I'm an admin and bureaucrat on Welsh wikipedia, by the way. You can reply here or on my talk page over there (cy:Defnyddiwr:Anatiomaros). Cheers, Enaidmawr (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was me and yes, Sjakoj's most recent actions have shown to be a sock of Bambifan101 (the original named sock), and I'm asking that he be blocked now. Unfortunately, I don't speak Welsh, so not sure I can help see what all is vandalistic. From their actions here, though, we've gotten to the point we pretty much revert and block when spotted even if a few of his edits might be "okay", we basically just go "no right to edit at all". Unfortunately, now that he's been identified, he just hit a couple dozen of our articles too. *argh* There is a central list of all of the IPs and named socks we've identified here at User:AnmaFinotera/Links, as well as links to the various SSP and AN/I reports. We've done some range blocks but unfortunately they have only covered part of his IPs. You guys might be able to do a fuller block without the collateral damage we faced here. Hope it helps. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that information. Just checked here again before packing in for the night so I'm not sure I've got the energy to deal with it now, but guess I will tomorrow. "Their"/his actions at cy. so far are annoyances rather than outright vandalism - ignoring standard category/interwiki ordering (i.e placing cats after i-ws), minor chopping and changing, creating pages tagged Minor change which are mispellings and then moved, irrelevant/silly redirects etc. However, we are a small wiki and I'd much rather be writing articles than dealing with this. Also, did you know that both these accounts are global? I don't think anybody will object to a local block on cy, but it seems rather bizarre that the global accounts should be allowed to continue: we'd just be shifting them to some other language edition. OK, I've changed my mind. Just about to sign off and checked our wiki one last time and "they" are back, in tandem (bit of a giveaway on a small wikipedia!). "They" will be banned for sockpuppetry first-thing tomorrow. If I do that right now we'll probably be vandalised, as nobody else will be there to keep an eye on the site. Thanks again for your help, Enaidmawr (talk) 01:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think a global ban would be extremely helpful all around, but honestly have no idea how to go about requesting it. Something I will look into. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, global ban is a global no. He isn't "disruptive" enough. *shaking head* Hopefully most of those misspelled articles are not being used to replace existing ones? Still trying to get this new sock blocked here, but so far no admins are listening. *sigh* And agreed with you on preferring to be editing. I've got a glut of Disney articles on my watchlist and often waste an hour or two a day dealing with this brat when I'm not even an admin! I'd rather be working on a lot of other stuff :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't give up! He's now permanently blocked from Cy. We just don't need that hassle and it's blatant sockpuppetry. (See also below). Cheers, Enaidmawr (talk) 01:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm trying not to, but that so many admins are hesitating to block this latest sock is extremely frustrating and makes me just want to abandon all the articles he hits to their miserable fate. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: Another incarnation has just appeared on Cy., namely Spokenames (found here too, with a single edit: User:Spokenames, suspected sock of User:Everyriver?). Enaidmawr (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that one seems to be a different vandal from his edits here. At least the Disney Vandal hasn't committed that annoying type of move vandalism (yet). They do seem to like to go from place to place *shaking head*. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that there seems to be no obvious connection here, but as the Welsh incarnation's sole edit has been an English language disambiguation page for "Madagascar" (the film), it's pretty obvious it's a sock of Bambifan101/Sjakoj. I'm going to block him anyway before he gets up to his usual tricks.  I'll keep in touch if there are any further developments. Regards, Enaidmawr (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So along pops User:Oitsnoisy (another global account) and blithely dumps a large page in English about Cinderella (Disney), presumably for us to oblingly translate, complete with English categories and an incorrect interwiki link. (Yeah, thanks a bunch!) So that's another one blocked, but how many more will there be? One of our admins is looking into a range block(s), but even though we don't exactly get a lot of IP contributions from the southern US there would be some collateral damage for it to be effective. That's one dilemma, but at least a block on these multiple global accounts would be a step in the right direction. I must admit I'm perplexed by the incredibly lenient attitude towards this by some admins - if this is not blatant sockpuppetry and disruptive editing, what is? Although I'm a bureaucrat on Cy. we're not used to having to deal with such matters but I shall certainly look into applying for a global block for these accounts. Just thought I'd keep you updated. The fact that he is being disruptive at the Welsh wikipedia might be of help to you here; if so, don't hesitate to seek my testimony/backing should it be required. Regards, Enaidmawr (talk) 00:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thus far, he's created some 20+ named socks, in addition to using another 30+ ips here. Most of his IPs are in the same ranges, but yeah, we couldn't range block some here as well because of the possible collateral damage (though at this point, I'm inclined to think it would be worth it *ugh*). This is where I made the request for a global block, and they basically said the three wikis were handling it fine individually. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like a global block is out of the question then (for one thing the request you made has been closed and archived, so I can forget about making another approach myself unless the situation changes drastically). Not too helpful up on Olympus, were they? Enaidmawr (talk) 23:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, not at all. As a heads up, a new sock may be coming since he popped on a few hours ago with Iluvteletubbies to play around with his user page again. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

List template
Following the Kenshin episode incident, I read up on the useage of the episode template for sublists, reread it, compared to the kenshin edits you made and rechecked it again. I then tackled List of Ranma ½ episodes as the seasonal lists were already in place in the correct format and I only needed to add a few bits of code to the existing pages and not change anything. After lots of previews and some fixing of bugs I entered I gained success. Apart from One season which for some reason won't display properly at all. Ive checked and compared the code but can see no obvious issues and I've looked several times. It's possible it's a weird caching glitch (wouldn't be the first time), but I'd like it checked out if you can. The "bug" in question is season 4 List of Ranma ½: Outta Control episodes. It displays the first episode on the main episode listcorrectly, but subsequent episodes for that season are the same as the separate season article. Dandy Sephy (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing anything wrong with the list at all? Its showing up fine for me. I would, however, highly recommend shortening up those headers and dumping the season number all together, moving Overall Episode No. to ep2 and calling it dub ep and moving ""Nettōhen" Episode No." back to the main episode number field and just calling it episode number. In the main list, the theme info in the individual sections is unnecessary as is the theme section at the bottom of the list. Of the two, if you really want to keep one or the other though, keep the bottom and move it above the list. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Must have been one of those weird caching issues then. I'll look into the changes you suggest, I was too busy making sure I didn't mess the templates up :p Dandy Sephy (talk) 13:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably. That caching can be quite annoying at times. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that you've suffered through this (muahahaha), if you have any suggestions for improving the documentation or anything, Dandy, I'm all ears. =) — Dino guy  1000  17:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I do have a point to raise. the documentation says to use includeonly, but I had to use onlyinclude, and thats what AnmaFinotera used on the Kenshin lists(I was using Kenshin as a reference otherwise I'd not have realised). Using includeonly gave strange results, but I forget what they were... Also it wasn't clear that ""Japanese episode list/sublist|List of X episode" needed to be used on every episode. it might be obvious to some, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me simply from reading the documentation and I had to do additional edits (which actually caused the dodgy caching issue I had with one set). Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it should be onlyinclude. includeonly will make it so the list only shows up on the included page. :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As AnmaFinotera said. "Includeonly" would be a typo on my part that no one else caught until now, I'll fix it in a second. As for the template call needing to be used for every episode, I'll see if I can clarify that. — Dino guy  1000  18:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and updated the docs earlier :) (and added the sublist section to the Episode docs). May want to check my clarification attempt...its rather rough. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that (and that's what this edit conflict is about lol). Looking it over, it seems to be alright... — Dino guy  1000  18:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Fullmetal lead
I attempted to expand a bit more the lead of Fullmetal Alchemist by following the one from Tokyo Mew Mew. Is it okay? By the way the cards section is pretty short, should it be merged with other merchandise?Tintor2 (talk) 14:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The lead looks fine. I made a few minor tweaks. :) And yes, I think merging the card game to the merchandise would be good.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, could give me some other advices about what to do in FMA?Tintor2 (talk) 20:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * With the main article? I'm thinking mainly what it needs now is a full copyedit, then a full peer review to see if its ready for a GA or FA run. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, with the exception of the copyedit since the copyeditor is busy this week.Tintor2 (talk) 19:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep...that's the hardest part, the waiting for someone to be able to copyedit :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:ItsLassieTime
Think we should report this user to AN yet? They're clearly being disruptive and breaching AGF. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I reported her to AN/I earlier today because of the lengthy history between us and her continuing attacks. So far, though, looks like she will continued to be allowed to act like this. *sigh* And people complain about me! :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Socks of Bambifan101
Hey there. I know you're an extremely constructive editor here on the project, and I can't see getting involved with the Disney articles, so I'm going to defer to your judgment here (along with that ANI/sock thread you supplied). Do me a favor tho - when you do this, can you please add the accounts/IP addresses to the list of Bambi socks? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been trying to tag them and keeping a full list at User:AnmaFinotera/Links. Is there anywhere else I should be keeping the list? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, looks good, just wanted to make sure we were documenting this somewhere. Thanks, carry on! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob :) And, just to be sure, I just went through all the ones I have listed to make sure they were tagged to go in the sock cats. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Another one for your list: 65.0.163.136 (yep, he's back!). Enaidmawr (talk) 22:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, he's the one we just blocked here, along with named sock Oitsnoisy. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

 * Quite welcome and thank you :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * NOOOO... Thank you! :D Moocowsrule (talk) 04:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Topic workshop
As many of your potential topics are films, feel free to propose them at the Film project's topic workshop. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 04:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually have been mulling over for awhile, so glad to see this pop in. Question, though...is it too soon to propose a potential topic is most of the articles haven't been created yet? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. Just use DA-icon next to the articles that haven't been created yet. Hmm...I probably should put that there. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 04:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! Time to announce my big hairy audacious goal! :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Abtract-AnmaFinotera
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. shall not interact with, or comment in any way (directly or indirectly) about you, on any page in Wikipedia; harass or wikistalk you such as by editing pages that you have recently edited; or make uncivil comments about or personal attacks upon any user.

These restrictions imposed upon Abtract shall be interpreted in a reasonable fashion so as to allow Abtract to continue with appropriate editing while preventing any further harassment of yourself. Any attempts to "game the system" or "wikilawyer" the details of the restrictions are unwelcome. Should Abtract violate the restrictions imposed upon him, he may be blocked for an appropriate period of time by any uninvolved administrator, with any blocks to be logged here. You are urged to continue to avoid any unnecessary interaction with Abtract.

Furthermore, please note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on October 16 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.

For the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Sephiroth (final fantasy VII)
Hello people keep unfairly deleting a four hour biography I wrote detailing Sephiroth's life in final fantasy. I got marked as vandalism... can i please put it back up, im not vandalizing, i want to just put a biography that took me forever to make on Sephiroth's life in Final Fantasy VII. Signed by: lafouboy — [ Unsigned .]


 * I'm sorry you spent so much time writing that "biography", however it has no place here. It is an excessive amount of plot regurgitation. It is also redundant the to the existing, and far briefer, sections summarizing his role in the game. This is not the place for blow-by-blow summaries of any character's "history" and we do not do biographies of fictional characters as they are not real people, but creations. We focus on the real-world aspects of characters here. There was nothing unfair about its removal, and that is not a valid reason for your to vandalize another editor's user page nor to make personal attacks. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability tag
I'm already finding sources and referencing them. That is why the notability tag had been removed. I'll take a look at the talk page discussion, but I have a feeling that, with what I am finding now, that tag won't be needed. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware you read German and had access to German magazines. Wouldn't happen to have any that talk about Tokyo Mew Mew aka Mew Mew Power? :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know German (I got the gist of things via Google Translator), but I can access German magazines via LexisNexis (a research source that one can access via the library) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

NaNo
It was an email from Chris Baty, but I can't find a corresponding news announcement on the site. :/ I guess he didn't want to make everyone else jealous? Anyway, if want, you can toss me an email using the email function on my profile, then I'll have your address and I'll just forward the thing to you so you can see what I mean. --Masamage ♫ 21:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The anon IP came back with a source pointing to the self-publisher's site. For now, I reworded a bit so it didn't quite claim to be an actual prize, since its more of an opportunity than something all winners automatically get. Think that will work?-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sounds better, since it is an outside thing and you do have to send in for it. Nice rephrase. --Masamage ♫ 03:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Transclude
Hi collectian. Could you pay a look at List of Reborn! episodes? I tried to transclude the season 2 but I think I made it wrong.Tintor2 (talk) 00:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You didn't set the season 2 list to use the sublist episode template instead of the regular. Fixed :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 01:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't you mean?
Don't you mean "Wikipedia is NOT a spoiler free zone, if you don't like being spoiled, read about your topic elsewhere" instead of "Wikipedia is NOT a spoiler free zone, if don't like being spoiled, read about your topic elsewhere"? I was reading on this page and stumbled across your error. Moocowsrule (talk) 05:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Woops, yep that is missing a you in there :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you know who the *BEST* band ever is? IKIMONO-FREAKING-GAKARI!!! Seriously. I'm like addicted to their songs... :D
 * IKIMONO-FREAKING-GAKARI? Never heard of them. There's a really good band that I like called Ikimono-gakari. Have you ever heard of M.C.U.? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Plus what do you think about my new page? Pretty *amazing* isn't it? XD Moocowsrule (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * Um...okay. never heard of them. :P And nice userbox layout ;) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If it had been me who spotted the typo, I probably would've just updated it. =) (I've actually done this type of stuff on other user's pages before) — Dino guy  1000  07:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've had one or two do that (though not always to be nice :P) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't like somebody else changing my page (even if it was fixing typos and errors), so I don't do it to other pages... well I have done it a few times...
 * Ikimono-gakari... You should check it out. They are seriously like one of the best J-pop bands ever. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Your reverts of my edits...
Please explain. Erigu (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm reverting your edits because they are not appropriate. Your changes to the lead are incorrect and not how to deal with that. If there is a valid, alternate romanji spelling, you note it after the lead, you do not change the lead and the nihongo templates the way you are doing. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not an "explanation". An "explanation" would be you telling me how they are "not appropriate".
 * No, they're not. You appear to be misinformed.
 * Where could I find that guideline? Erigu (talk) 15:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I am not misinformed. Your changes are extremely inappropriate. Character articles always start with the nihongo name, which includes the official English spelling. You don't stick it in front then claim they are "known in Japan as." That isn't accurate and it defeats the whole purpose of the nihongo template. Go look at any good character article and you will not see that kind of bad format. Look are series articles, that's what you'll see as well. If you feel an official alternate spelling is missing, you put it afterwards with a note that it is an alternate romanization or spelling. Considering that NONE of the articles have had them before now, you might ask yourself why instead of continuing to edit war after your bold edits were reverted. (WP:BRD - you don't keep redoing edits when someone else questions them). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are. These spellings aren't "fanspellings" at all. They've been used consistently on Japanese official material.
 * Again, could you link me to that guideline?
 * I hope you realize that's hardly a compelling argument. If I find an article with a different format, you could just argue that it's not a good article.
 * That's not true. In about 20 seconds, I found this version of the Majin Buu article, for example.
 * I would think that goes both ways. Erigu (talk) 16:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Its call the MoS and looking at any GA article. Its called consensus. Live with it (and I meant none recently, not ages ago before people began actually attempting to clean up the DB mess). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For the third time, please show me where it says that my edits were inappropriate.
 * Considering none of the anime/manga-related "good articles" have the same issue (a difference between the official alphabet spellings of the subject's name/title for English territories and Japan), they're not exactly helpful in that regard... But here's a video game "featured article" that does. Inappropriate?
 * Well, that's convenient. And July 2008 is somehow "ages ago"?
 * And when you were cleaning up the mess, maybe you forgot to remove the ludicrous speculation about a pun on "Muten Roti"? Or maybe not, since you put it back when you reverted my edits. Erigu (talk) 16:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Side note: Your style of quoting is extremely annoying in trying to read. The edits are inappropriate, period. No one else has agreed with your edits, despite many other A&M being active right now. And video games are not the same as anime/manga. And yes, July 08 is "ages ago" in Wikipedia time, particularly with the clean up efforts being made of late. Of course, in the end, neither matters as both are highly likely to be merged soon as neither is notable. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm open to any suggestion.
 * I'm floored by the potency of your arguments.
 * And the nihongo template should be used differently because...? Is there a rationale somewhere in there?
 * Well, I can't say it's been a pleasure arguing with you again. Erigu (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * (eats popcorn). The funny part is, while I take no sides, AnmaFinotera, Erigu is logically mopping the floor with you... :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really trying to argue with him anyway, though technically he hasn't actually given any good reason for not following the established consensus beyond he doesn't like it. *shrug* If he thinks the featured articles, good articles, and featured lists are all somehow unworthy of taking lessons from, that's his issue, not mine. I'm not going to bother arguing all in-depth over articles being merged anyway. I'm at work and trying not waste to much time on such silliness. Went through similar BS with the Tokyo Mew Mew articles and people wanting to spell stuff Quiche and all, but still got removed. Glad you enjoyed though...got any cheese for that popcorn? :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm clearly the one who failed to properly explain myself, here.
 * Completely besides the point, as I never argued anything like that. On the contrary, I came up with a featured article as an example.
 * Why, thank you. That's about as nice and deserved as when you called my Animage source "doubtful", or when you assumed that I changed thirteen different release dates on a whim simply because I thought they were wrong. Or when you removed my "annoying ass quoting" from your talk page minutes ago (i.e. "aeons ago" in Wikipedia time, I guess). Sure, my replies don't quite make sense anymore now, but that's apparently a sacrifice you were willing to make.
 * I'm seeing a pattern, here, and it's not pleasant. Erigu (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You came up with a totally unrelated featured article as an example, while ignoring the actual relevant ones. And yes, that quoting is annoying as heck so I removed it because it made your replies hard to read and was cluttering my talk page. And you have yet to actually give any valid reason for your changes that makes them an improvement over established conventions. You want to hold a grudge because you neglected to explain yourself, that's on you. When one can't bother himself to use edit summaries to explain why he's making a massive or major change, people will question it, particularly from newer editors. *shrug* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in... but don't you mean romaji? It's not "Romanji"... but I see how it's possible to get "Romanji", it sounds like "Kanji". Just had to say it... Moocowsrule (talk) 01:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * Yep...romaji. Probably threw in the N because its also called romanization. *shaking head* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm mistaken, they're both "technically correct" romanizations of the same Japanese word, but "romaji" without the n is official. Or something like that. — Dino guy  1000  18:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Chimurenga Library
Hi AnmaFinotera, Thanks for your advices. We'll try next week to write in an different way the articles. Best regards,

--Ira Nal27 (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are from the Chimurenga Library, I don't think you should be editing those articles at all. Seems like a conflict of interest if you are replicating your articles here. Chimurenga Library has a website where all such edits should go, not here. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this?
I noticed that I restored this article, List of Dragon Ball video games to the last known good revision just after you reverted a good faith editor changing name spellings. It looks right to me, but I wanted to make sure. Cheers.  Digital <sup style="color:#20038A;">Ninja  04:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the Shinryuu is correct, looking at its original article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that the buu (and not "boo") is correct. I think they're just confused.  Digital <sup style="color:#20038A;">Ninja  04:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly. I know most of the DB articles are hit almost daily with folks who don't like the official English spellings and so change them to what was used in fansubs or the like. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The Jungle Book II
Why did you tag this as an R3? It seems perfectly logical that someone searching for a sequel to The Jungle Book might type in a "II" instead of a "2", given that movie sequels often use Roman numerals. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually suspect Touchpath is another Bambifan101 sock, but he hasn't done enough edits to be positive so didn't tag that. All of the rest of his redirects were R3s, so I just tagged them all, but agreed that one might be useful though the rest aren't. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikia Spam?
Excuse my ignorance, but how is what I added "Wikia Spam"? - Smashman202 (talk) 20:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It fails WP:EL and has already been removed multiple times as an inappropriate link. Hence, wikia spam, i.e. spamming wikia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see why, I mean, it's a site that more informative In regards of One Piece, especially now that Wikipedia is trying to condence almost everything about it into one page... - Smashman202 (talk) 23:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, see WP:EL. That wikia does not meet the necessary requirements for an exemption, so it has no place here. If fans of the series wish to find other sites about it, they are more than capable of using Google or any other search neging. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

RfAr/Abtract-AnmaFinotera
I've read the thread on the Arbitration enforcement board. Just in case it is not clear (although I had hoped it would be), the remedies in the arbitration decision issued last week regarding Abtract and yourself supersede the previous restrictions. For example, there is no longer any restriction on your editing an article just because Abtract has edited the same article in the past, although of course you should use your judgment in deciding whether to do so. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. I wasn't sure if avoiding issues meant continuing not to edit any article he may have edited (particularly those edits he did like that, just to continue harassing). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When the case was originally filed, my impression and I think that of some of the other arbitrators was that you and Abtract were just two people who needed to be told to stay away from each other. But when I started reading through the evidence in detail, it became clear to me that&mdash;whatever petty incidents caused the quarrel between you in the first place or who might have contributed to the arguments at that time&mdash;over the past several months one of you was pursuing an agenda of harassment while the other was seeking to disengage. For this reason, the findings and remedies, adopted unanimously by the participating arbitrators, are not at all symmetrical and, while the decision urges you to continue avoiding unnecessary interaction with Abtract (which I am sure you will), there is no need to restrict the scope of your editing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

reviews....
I wonder how best to encourage a certain young editor to include multiple reviews in his articles about children's books. He feels that per guidline 2 or 3 is okay... and while being technically correct, this leaves his articles being sent to AfD... where others come forward and toss in the extra 4 or 5 reviews he could have himself included. And when yet another of his stubs is sent to AfD, he calls it bad luck. What to do... what to do...  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q.


 * Hmmm...you'd hope the AfDs would be a clue, but maybe also remind him that coverage should be thorough and fair, so to do so, all reviews that meet WP:RS should be included to ensure we are not only selectively picking "preferred" reviews. Maybe also point him to some FA or GA articles, particularly book articles, showing how they use multiple reviews. Is this the same one who wrote that children's book I commented on earlier today? If so, you might also want to point out to him that the reception section should be prose, not bullet lists. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm.... let's just call this a question about any young and volcanic editor. Will do what I can. He tends to get quite testy when the slimness of his articles is questioned. Quite an impatient fellow, though very well-meaning. Will suggest he 1) tag some of his own articles for expansion to get them on the worklist for other editors before they go to AfD, 2) add more references than he feels the guideline minimums are, and 3) pay more attention to the style guidelines for WP:BOOK... and of course, I will advise such in the friendliest terms I can use... though with him, ii sometimes feels like I'm juggling explosives. :)  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If he doesn't know already, may also want to explain about user sandboxes, where he can work on the article at his leisure before launching. :) And I so so feel you on the explosives! You think you're explaining in a friendly, informative but experienced manner and instead get attacked for "looking down" on new editors or being dismissive and condescending, or a big meanie for not letting them fluff up articles with lots of fan love and trivia (though my favorite is being attacked as a stalker for having articles in my watchlist, seeing bad changes, and acting quickly!). Maybe I'm just getting too old :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you guys know, I suck at finding sources so they aren't preferred reviews, they are the only sources that I can find. Schuy m 1 (<font style="color:green">talk ) 02:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just make sure to evaluate them again WP:RS, and if in doubt, ask :). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Some help again
Can you review this page and see what else can be improved? List of Case Closed characters?

Also can you tell me why whenever I cite a website it never works? I use that cite tool. An example would be the second reference for this article. Eyeshield 21

Also my Twinkle gadget doesn't seem to work because I don't see any options for it anywhere. How would I use it to revert or delete?DragonZero (talk) 02:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For the Case Closed character list, the format needs clean up and the organization streamlined and, of course, it needs a lot of referencing. The prose also needs fixing to use complete sentences and be less "in-universe." Unnotable characters should be merged in. See List of Naruto characters for an ideal list. For Eyeshield 21, see the fixes I did to see what you missed (also note that you do not use language=English on any reference, that's de facto) :) For twinkle, try just doing:


 * /* Twinkle - anti vandalism, xFD, prod, CSD */
 * importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');


 * Then make sure you clear your cache. The options should appear as tabs at the top. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * >_O How do I do /* Twinkle - anti vandalism, xFD, prod, CSD */importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); DragonZero (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Edit your monobook.js (remove that other stuff you put in there and replace it with those two lines). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It did not seem to work. Also can you make this redirect to the list of case closed characters? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Case_Closed_charactersDragonZero (talk) 07:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, categories shouldn't be made to redirect to articles (or visa versa), and the category has contents, so no reason for it to be deleted. For Twinkle, you are using a current version of Firefox, correct? And you cleared your cache? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. I put that code you told me to on my user account monobook js. Then I held shift control and R. It has not seemed like anything changed. Also whenever I use the wik-ed tool, it gets rid of my citing tool so it's annoying cause I have to disable one of them for the other so I'm wondering if there's something else I could do besides for that. Also for the List of Case Closed characters, I think the lead tag and clean up tag may be removed but I need to get it checked.DragonZero (talk) 01:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...not sure what other suggestions to make. You might want to ask on the Twinkle help page. Before removing the clean up tag from the list, it would be good if the few references there are were fixed to be properly formatted, as well as fixing the error at the foot of the page. The lead is still in bad shape, so I'd recommend leaving that. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

... T~T
I don't understand how to do this. How do I nominate this article for deletion? I already put something on the talk page, and I don't know what else to do... What should I do? Moocowsrule (talk) 06:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * I've redirected it to Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind. If its reverted, then WP:AFD would be appropriate, though when doing AfDs saying the characters are "stupid" would not be an appropriate deletion reason. :P Articles are deleted for failing various guidelines and/or policies. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly... HOW DO YOU DO IT???
 * I've been correcting Japanese titles... and SO MANY OF THEM DON'T USE MACRONS!!! OR THEY AREN'T UP TO DATE WITH WP:MJ!!!
 * I can't take it anymore.
 * Seriously. This is hard. Whenever I see a "ou" I want to change it to "ō". I almost thought about writing "you" as "yō". I think I'm going to take a bit of a break from editing Wikipedia. Someone else will do it. Moocowsrule (talk) 18:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * Ō, why wōld yō do that? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Funnyz. Very funnyz. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * It depends. For series with an English version, they often don't have the macrons (though they should have them in the romanji). LOL on the "you" to "yō". :) When I'm sending emails, I keep wanting to put in the four squiggles to "sign" it. ;) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL!!! Whenever I'm on another website and I'm trying to explain something nobody understands I want to put the brackets around some of the words... like Moocowsrule (talk) 19:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)mocowsrule
 * Did I say the characters are stupid? I don't remember... but still that article had no real relevance... and it just was a bunch of wasted space. Moocowsrule (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * What I meant was "that since the other characters don't have their own articles, why should the Ohmu?". I should have rephrased that. Moocowsrule (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * You said it on the talk page :) Agreed, though, no reason they should have their own article (though not because the others don't, but rather Ohmu have no real world notability). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Um.
I think this was a mistake. It says "and possibly has romantic feelings for Zero." That is not encyclopedic, that is speculation. Although this user should not have changed it, and discussed it on the talk page first, it you shouldn't have deleted it. XD!!! THAT FELT GOOD!!! I'm finally getting better!!! YAYZ!!! Moocowsrule (talk) 01:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Huh? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You reverted it so that it said "and possibly has romantic feelings for Zero". That user I think was correct to delete that, because that's trivia and not relevant information. I think that whole sentence should be deleted. The sentence that says "Yuki loves Kaname, who has always been protecting her and has been by her side during her childhood as a vampire, but also has possible romantic feelings for Zero" I mean. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * That isn't trivia, its relevant to the series and a major plot point, particularly as the series progresses. It is, however, badly written all around but as I'm trying not to get spoiled anymore than I already have been, I'm not doing a ton there.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see how relationships have to do with an anime (though I've never really watched or read Vampire Knight)... Sorry... But don't Zero and....... that one girl (forgot her name) have a relationship in the series? ... I'm confused. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Um, major relationships between characters are often key plot points. We don't remove ALL plot aspects, only the minor stuff, and that is not minor. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:06, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay now...really back to our conversation
Have you found any more sources for Manga Vizion? + Wassup? —  J U M P G U R U   ■askアスク■ 01:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, not yet. I've been concentrating on Animerica (of a sort anyway). Figured I'd do better working on one at a time. I'm pretty sure there will be sources for Manga Vizion, just haven't focused on it yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Page looks great. Is there anything I can help with? I was also thinking about starting a Vertical (publisher) page. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Can't think of anything off hand. Mostly just need some referenced reception info on it, and if possible some distribution numbers since the change. Vertical publisher? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Vertical, they published a ton of Osamu Tezuka's adult-related works. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh...well, it seems like it would be a notable company, so can't see any reason not to have an article on it. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is, that's the reason i'm making it! :D I also just started a major revamp on Shueisha, I mixed the Jump article I created on my sandbox. It's definatly not perfect, there's alot that needs to be done. : § —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Helloooooo? :P —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my talk page been active of late. And alrighty on Shueisha. Make sure to use the Company project's info and guidelines for formatting and seeing what content should be focused on.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's okay. The only thing i'm having a problem with is the shojo lines, I have no knowledge of them. :P —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Remember, the article should primarily be about the company. A full breakdown of every line may not really be necessary, particularly if there isn't a coverage of them anywhere. The primary focuses should be history, organization/business model, revenue/criticism, etc.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I though you wanted me to merge the Jump article? When I made a section for that, I thought that maybe I could write about all the other sections. *_o —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 15:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Which Jump article? (we has lots LOL)? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. The one on my sandbox for the complete line of magazines. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 18:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your talk page isn't covered with all the "why did you erase my edits?" and "stop reverting all the crap I put onto Wikipedia pages!". :D —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, for once! :-P Can you give a link to that sandbox version again...my brain is mushy today. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here you go. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I think, if merged to Shueisha, it should primarily be the prose, with the tables and all dropped, since it is part of a large article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Got it. : ) You're attending NaNoWriMo? Cool. Where is it? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, not attending, rather participating :) NaNoWriMo is the National Novel Writing Month, where insane folks (like myself) attempt to write 50,000 words of a novel in just 30 days. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Doh, yeah I mean...participating. :P Oh yeah, i'm sure yō (you) noticed that I brought back Formosa Youth to the Weekly Jump page along with a Hong Kong version called EX-am. I found sources so that they both can be normal members of Wikipedia. Also, about the Shueisha page, I was actually trying to make it like the Viz Media page. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering how bad the Viz page is (except the history section), I'm not sure that's a good model to use :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I was thinking of listing the magazines in order of time period. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Heroooo? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you show me an example of what you mean? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to the page. It looks a bit messy, but it's still in renovation. I'm sorting it like the series lists. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ummm....okay...I think its way excessive and too much list stuff, not enough real content and the lead seems to be full of random trivia bits. The entire imprint section is way too much. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I know, the lead is absolutely terrible, I didn't write it. I will change the imprint section, add more to the history and definitely redo the lead. Right now it's basically a big list. : ) —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 04:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ja? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ja? Ja? Ja? tee hee...Cry-Baby reference ;) That sounds like a good start. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

anime & game similarites/differences
Since you were setting up talk sections for Tales of the Abyss and Star Ocean, I was wondering if you could give some input on Popotan because it's my opinion that the oppsite is true, and ifso, a good GA or above article to reference (all the ones i can find have the anime and game/VN very similar.Jinnai (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...I'm not familiar enough with the work to speak to the level of differences. Air (visual novel) and Clannad (visual novel) are both GA visual novel articles that might be useful to look at for where to go with it. However, their anime adaptations seem similar enough that all they have is a regular episode list rather than full separate articles. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. That's the crux of the problem. Both of them are very similar. Popotan, as far as I can tell, is not, except for some of the character relations. I haven't played enough of the game to figure out though whether the game merely takes place later in the story and thus the anime is a prequal or if it takes place along another timeline. Furthermore, it's quite difficult to find reviews of the story more than just the basic plot given as teasers.Jinnai (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...maybe ask over at the Anime and manga project? Might be someone there who has played the whole game. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The visual novel task force might also be of assistance (but I have no idea how active they are, so I could be wrong)... — Dino guy  1000  18:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

re The Fox and the Hound 2
Is the ip our usual friend? LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, it is. And he's also started hitting the Latin Wiki, but they denied the request at Media wiki for a global ban. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, I guess they will learn... LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Supernanny episodes
Regarding List of Supernanny episodes: AnmaFinotera saying something is"horrendously american" is an exteremely offensive term. While the show was made in Great Britain, it has become even more popular in the United States (most of its episodes are based in America with American families!) Please refrain from making further unneccessary edits. Thanks Tennisdude92 (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)tennisdude92
 * Um, WRONG. The list has been completely Americanized, which is what is offensive and inappropriate. You don't get to decide that the original version of the series is somehow unimportant or should not be included in the episode list. The list is currently being completely overhauled to properly reflect that the series is a British series first, that is reaired in America. This is fully in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines, rather than your attempts to make it Americacentric, which violates WP:NPOV among other things. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand your points, however understand this--- I WAS THE ONE WHO CREATED THIS ARTICLE. I took several hours out of my time to create this article and would appreciate if you wouldn't undo everything i created. Tennisdude92 (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)tennisdude92


 * Sorry, but just because you "created" it does not mean you OWN it. No one is "undoing" everything you created, its being corrected and enhanced to properly reflect the series true nature. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." If you do not stop removing the inuse template and attempting to hender the much needed neutralization and correction of this article, you will be reported. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Please, however, edit it yourself, as the notice will be removed if there is no edit activity over the next several hours. Tennisdude92 (talk) 01:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)tennisdude92


 * I am actively editing. However, I am about to undo all of my edits. Looking further, it would appear that the ABC Supernanny is, in fact, an entirely different series rather than just redoing. So I will do some undoing some to restore the original format, then clean up to better note this. Alright? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Clean up is done. Hopefully you will agree that it has been improved. The ratings need referencing, but otherwise the referencing issue is fixes, as is the formatting. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, can you adjust the width of the tables for List of Supernanny episodes? Thanks Tennisdude92 (talk) 22:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)tennisdude92


 * Adjust how? I changed to 98% which is the standard for ep lists. Hope that's what you meant. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Request to nominate article mergers
I personally found a large amount of Case Closed character articles to fail current notability criteria (as in extra-universe notability). However, since my plan to build a DC/CC wiki has been open to fans of this series, I afraid there would be a conflict of interest issue if I was actually involved in this-- so, I wonder if you would nominate the merger of the following articles to List of Case Closed characters: And the following to Black Organization (Case Closed):
 * Shuichi Akai
 * Amy Yeager
 * Eisuke Hondou
 * George Kaminski
 * James Black (Case Closed)
 * Rena Mizunashi
 * Mitch Tennison
 * Akemi Miyano
 * Gin (Case Closed)
 * Sharon Vineyard
 * Vodka (Case Closed)

Thank you. -- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  03:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * Alrighty, both done. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, is it okay if you leave the Detective Kids alone for a while, Mitch, Amy, Genta, and Ai, until I get to work on them? I'm planning on making a detective kids page.DragonZero (talk) 04:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They do not seem notable enough to have their own page, and such a separate page should be discussed. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I combined the main facts for Amy, Mitch, and Genta already.DragonZero (talk) 02:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

One (or two?) questions about references
-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  22:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I want to cite for a claim for "A often does B." This "often" is so obvious that it does not fall into OR. However, there is no text that says "A often does B" or similar. Is the first occurance of A doing B good enough for a reference?
 * 2) Sort of related to above, and also to Case Closed: I was aware of that, due to the popularity of the series in Taiwan, being Conan came to mean being Sherlock there. However, do you think a quote to one China Times report and a Jay Chou lyrics adequate to support this claim? Or I this has to be supported by something more scholastically linguistic to support this claim?


 * For point one, that can be tricky and you'd want to give multiple cites to show the "often" part. One wouldn't be enough. For teh second, a quote from China Times should be adequate since its certainly a reliable source :)-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe I wasn't being clear here. By the "China Times report" I mean a news article that shown such usage, not an article that reported such usage. (The article was on Chinese netizens investigating inappropriate actions of officials, but the lead include a line as follows: "Because of the advancement of Internet technologies and camera phones, Netizens on the Mainland started being Conan the detective..." [拜網際網路發達與新款手機照相、錄音功能齊全之賜，大陸網友們紛紛當起偵探柯南]) Of course China Times is considered a newspaper of record and reflects current language usage, but it certainly is not a report of such a term's use...-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  01:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh...in that case, rather than say "being Conan came to mean being Sherlock" just note that people would refer to people conducting investigations as "being Conan the detective" rather than mention that its a replacement of Sherlock. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I got the idea: A quote from a newspaper of record is an adequate reference for language use.-- Samuel di  Curtisi  di  Salvadori  01:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

InuYasha
There wasn't a reason to revert my edit. I was just following the example of these three pages, which are listed on WikiProject_Anime_and_manga: List of Naruto episodes (seasons 1-2), List of YuYu Hakusho episodes (season 1), and List of Bleach episodes (season 1). The headline consists of the plot summary which is already written on its parent article, and the notes aren't unnecessary as the theme songs run into the second season. Moon  ( Sunrise ) 05:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * FLC no longer follows those guidelines, particularly no longer wanting any episode lists stating "this is a list of episodes." I only partially reverted your edits. The notes are unnecessary. It is the season 1 page, not the season 2 page. Noting the themes carry over is just trivia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks. I re added who directed the episodes, if that's okay? And I piped the names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moon-sunrise (talk • contribs) 06:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Had that been all you did, yeah, it would, but you also rearranged (again) in a way that doesn't flow well and inappropriately changed the references tag to reflist when there are only 3 references. I've partial reverted again. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. Also just one more thing and I'll leave your page alone. The dates shouldn't they be unlinked per DATES. Moon   ( Sunrise ) 06:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, normally. I was tring to get the ISO dates converted to regular dates, but the script isn't working at the moment. Please leave it linked for now so Lightmouse can see the problem and hopefully get it fixed since all the other season pages need to fixed to use mdy dates rather than ISOs in the table and having to do it manually would be a supreme main in the buttcus :P. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Tenebrae
This editor is becoming a real pain. I reference WP:Footnotes several times in my edit summaries when I change to  ? わwa らra  うu  Smile! 05:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It depends, but usually I use welcomeh because it has a sectional heading. I used welcomeg on your talk because you already had a section heading for welcome :) I believe code tags are used when writing up programming examples to put it in a specific type of font and formatting.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Um... help?
Pretty much ALL the articles relating to some series called "Kinnikuman" need some SERIOUS help. They use "ou" and "uu" in almost 'ALL articles, and I work on it all on my own... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * I mean can't work on it all on my own... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * ~Looks at main article....runs screaming~ It needs way more work than just the macrons :P You may want to post to the project page to see if some others might want to join in on a series cleanup. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean the Anime/Manga portal? Or the Manual of Style (Anime and Manga-related articles)? Or Mos-JP? Or all 3? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * XD sorry, I feel stupid now. You mean the Anime/Manga Project page? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * I liked your signature when it had the " AnmaFinotera " part in bold. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Yes, the anime and manga project talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Also regarding help, there have been edit wars on Kagura's page about whether it should be mentioned that she is barefoot. Do you think that I should put in a message at the Arbitration Committee? わwa らra  うu  Smile! 02:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Why put in a message with the Arbitration committee?? Seems like a simple discussion is all that's needed (and as she will be merged soon, rather a pointless argument really). Its a pretty trivial thing to note...and almost everyone else is barefoot, so I don't think it needs to be mentioned at all as it isn't something unique. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it's true, but this has been happening for a LONG time. I think it started at least in 2007 (not sure exact, the title says "more barefoot editing" and the date is May 2007). You sure it will be merged? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 03:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, already has clear consensus, I just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For some reason the "V-6" (the band, you know they made Change the World from InuYasha") page is called "V6 (group) instead of "V6 (band)"? I think it should be the latter, and most J-pop bands/groups use (band) instead of (group). Which do you think it should be? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 04:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree. It used to be V6 (band), but then was moved to V6 (musical group) then to V6 (group). V6 (band) would be more in keeping with WP:NAME. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Can't move it, V6 (band) is redirect, I'd delete everything on the page like I did on Junjo Romantica ~Pure Romance~, but there's some sort of speedy deletion tag, and I don't want to get in trouble by deleting it. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 04:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, no, you don't just delete everything on the page and copy-paste move (please do NOT tell me you did that on another article???). The CSD was placed by me so an admin can delete the redirect so the move can be completed. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Um... well yes, but then I moved the page again. I did that when I moved "Junjō Romantica" to "Junjo Romantica", then I moved "Junjo Romantica" to "Junjo Romantica ~Pure Romance~"... sorry! わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * *cries* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol sorry, I didn't know. Besides it was such a crappy article it wouldn't do much of a difference... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * O_O oops. I just realized. Now I feel so stupid! Sorry, I completely forgot about the page history!! That was REALLY stupid of me just to copy-edit it! わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its okay, hopefully an admin can come merge the histories. But definitely something to remember in the future...thou shalt never, ever, ever copy/paste move articles :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thy shall-eth... not-eth... copy-eth... and past-eth... ever-eth... again-eth XD わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Uggggh....that was gut-wrenching just looking at that article. ( O_O ) I think I might help a bit too. ;_; —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 18:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol I'm having filet mignon and potato chips for lunch... odd combo. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * About Junjo Romantica ~Pure Romance~, should I add the translations to the song names? Or leave them the way they are? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd leave them the way they are. A lot of times, song names aren't even translated when a series is licensed anyway. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think about this sentence in Akito Sohma's article? "For consistency, this article refers to Akito as female throughout, except when discussing events specific to the anime." it's hard to decide for me, because evidently Akito is a girl in the manga, but was raised as a guy, but a guy in the anime. I sort of think it should be removed, but it does help. Maybe it should be put in the edit part as <!-- In the manga, Akito Sohma is biologically female, though raised as a male. In the anime, Akito is biologically male. In this article, Akito is referred to as a male only when discussing events in the anime. --!> . Or maybe we could use gender neutral terms, or just refer to Akito as a female considering we use the manga as a medium. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think its fine as is. We struggled a lot with dealing with how to do that, because Akito is raised as and referred to as a male for the bulk of the manga, however is biologically female. In the anime, he is referred to as a male, the same as a manga, however, towards the end of the anime, he is shown shirtless with a male chest because the anime stopped way before the point in the manga where he was revealed to be female, so its unlikely the anime producers knew that would be the future plot point. The sentence specifically notes this because of people constantly changing it, and to clarify why she is sometimes referred to as a "he" in the article for readers. However, considering the entire article fairly sucks anyway, its a pretty minor issue. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol I love the way you describe the article: "fairly sucks". XD わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's weird. Shigure was in love with Akito... then he slept with Ren??? Why would you sleep with your "special" friend's mother? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You have to read the story, though the short answer would likely be because Akito was always hurting him, so he decided to hurt her back. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh... Well that's sad. I is listening to Eāman ga Taosenai from Megaman (I think...) わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It is. Its an awesome series though, very emotionally provoking. If you get a chance, I highly recommend it :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Aaron Dismuke is funnyz LOL わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol Aaron knows what's under Al's loin cloth!
 * "What's something you know about Alphonse that no one else knows?"


 * "I know what's under his loincloth. But I can't tell you, sorry." わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Google knows you don't find Chuck Norris, he finds you. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Love Hina part:3
Damm you and your auto archiving!:p

Damm vandal struck again so I've left a message for Sephiroth Bcr rather then leave a message on the general board. They even removed my reference this time *angry*. Anyway, haven't done the characters yet, but what do you think of the media additions? I've only done the major works so far, there is still loads missing (color version of the manga, anime "manga", characters cd's etc) Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I left them a warning. Easier to get them blocked if you leave warnings ;) So far the media section is looking good. Did a few tweaks on the reference book section :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks (didn't realise we could leave messages for randoms!). Yes, that looks better! Unfortunately I don't have '0', although I believe there are untranslated scans "available". It's a shame Mugendai wasn't translated, it's a absolute goldmine, I just can't read any of it. It's 400 pages, so I don't see anyone doing it after all these years. Dandy Sephy (talk) 05:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't it frustrating! I know there are similar books for other series I edit on, but can't read them even if I do buy them. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

AnimeNfo.com and anidb.info black listing
I'm interesting in to knowning why you've listed animenfo.com and anidb.info as copyright infringment sites. Both are information sites regarding anime and manga, neither of them have any scanlation or anime fansub downloads like you've said. Supers (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, they do. They are both well known fansub information sites (including linking to other's hosted fansubs), nor do they have any place here at all. They violate WP:RS, WP:EL, and WP:COPYRIGHT, hence their being blacklisted. This was supported (and celebrated) by the anime and manga project as a whole. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Case Closed (Season 4)
I, too, keep track of this page, and the Funimation season 4 box set is confirmed to have 26 episodes, therefore, it's rather pointless to revert the change that was made regarding this fact, considering it'll most likely be changed back anyhow. One can simply research the information for this series to verify this. I'm just letting you know before changes to the page are made(once again) to reflect this revelation, and you continue reverting facts. Sources will be added eventually, just not right away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CH (talk • contribs) 01:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If its been "confirmed" there should be a source. If you "know" this why not just add the source and solve the issue? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar award

 * Aww, thanks! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox: Redux
This time I edited Kagome, Miroku, and Sango. All here. One more should Kirara be merged with Sango's article? ( Moon ) and  ( Sunrise ) 03:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Those look good. No on Kirara. Consensus was to merge to the list, as it is an individual character that does at least do its own thing now than then (much like Ah-Un), rather than being mindless drone type things like Kikyo's spirit things and Naraku's wasps. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed them and okay on Kirara. ( Moon ) and  ( Sunrise ) 03:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Madagascar 2
I'm sorry, but do you have any proof that that's the general opinion ? I certainly don't think so. --Roaring Siren (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Was the answer on my talk page not satisfactory enough for you? (sorry to butt in here AnmaFinotera) LeaveSleaves talk 17:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. I went ahead and reported him since he's done 5 reverts in 24 hours and his edit summaries seem to indicate he had no intention of stopping. He was blocked 12 hours. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding edits someone made to Mark Wahlberg
Think you can fix this? The source is about right, but I'm not sure how to rephrase the grammer. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Resolved. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * But pretty poorly. It could be better, that's just the gist of it. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've edited it some. Part of the problem is it was taken almost word from word from the source (along with some other parts of that paragraph). I made an attempt at cleaning it up. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You did a much better job than me xD わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 00:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

About your editing practices
Why not simple tag something as Trivia, and give people a time to work any relevant information into the article itself, instead of just outright deleting it? That seems to be the first thing you do when you go to edit an article. An example of this, your edits on Kinnikuman where you erased information quite important to understanding just how big the series is in Japan. It was given its own holiday, is so popular that it is mentioned everywhere, professional wrestlers in real life copy moves from it, etc. In the future, please consider just tagging it if you don't like Trivia sections, and think it should be removed, instead of outright deleting of it. And whenever possible, why not just make a side page for things, instead of deleting them? Instead of deleting a large portion of the Gantz article, as you did months ago, why not just create side articles to hold everything? I later did that, restoring the deleted information for the Gantz Equipment section, on its own page, and linking to it from the main article. Thus the information relevant to the series, and necessary to understand it, is preserved, without the main article being "too long" in the opinion of those who don't like articles above a certain size(no official rule about size that I know of, so its just the opinions of whoever is around that day). Dream Focus (talk) 17:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I remove unsourced, irrelevant trivia, particularly from articles in the anime/manga realm because I know exactly what sort of information is and is not preferred. If I feel it may actually have some relevancy, or its an area outside my normal editing sphere, I do tag. If any of that is actually accurate, find a source and restore it in a proper reception section, however nothing I removed from there actually was anything actually useful, it was unsourced speculation and trivia. We are not a trivia book. It was not relevant nor verifiable. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This page seems to be completely unneeded, and can be merged into Suguru Kinniku's article, or deleted. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 20:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ewww...very much so. It needs trimming and merged to Suguru Kinniku. It seems that whole series has a ridiculous amount of cruft spread around :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I officially hate adult swim!!! They won't show the next Code Geass R2 ep till next Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!! わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 20:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But yes about the merging thing. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 20:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Junjō Romantica episodes list name
It should be moved per this. Scroll down and you'll see something that says "エコバッグ". On it, it's written "Jyunjyo Romantica". Evidently this is the title preferred by the anime production company. わwa らra  うu  Smile! 22:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The rest of the site uses 純情ロマンチカ, which is romanized Junjō Romantica. That has more weight than a single entry on the Goods page. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Per WP:MJ the title should be "Jyunjyo Romantica". That is the name preferred by the company, so we should use it. 純情ロマンチカ is romanized as "Junjō Romantica" only in the Hepburn romanization system. It is romanized as "Zyunzyou Romantika" in the Kunrei-shiki system, and "Junjoo Romantika" in the JSL romanization system. If the anime company prefers to romanize it as "Jyunjyo Romantica" then that is what Wikipedia should use. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no actual evidence that it is the "preferred" name anywhere. We will use the proper romanization, as supported by its English title and all reliable sources. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll send them an email, besides it's used multiple times on the goods page. It's used on four or five posters. It actually wouldn't be the "proper" romanization in Japan. Kunrei-shiki is used more often than Hepburn. But now people are using Hepburn more. I prefer Kunrei-shiki, although I have to use Hepburn here. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Second page here. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (EC) Blu manga would appear to think it is the proper romanization, and as they would have named the manga based on the company's preferences, and the manga and anime have the same base name, its the same. Also, this is not a company, so WP:MJ does not apply, at all. WP:MOS-AM is the only applicable naming guideline here, and in the absence of an official English anime name, we use the most common name, which is Junjō Romantica (or even Junjo Romantica). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I was going to say something, but it was an edit conflict and all my content got discarded. T~T わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Plus I found the manga site, on the anime site. It can be found here. It has a complete (or nearly-complete) list of all the manga released in tankōbon form. わwa らra  うu  Smile! 22:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know, I have already gone through the entire site. I just haven't found time to make the chapter list yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There also appear to be tankōbon for "Junjō Egoist" and "Junjō Terrorist". わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also a tankōbon for "Junjō Minimum" (純情ミニマム)... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sources? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here. Go down, until you see "純情ロマンチカ9", then you'll see "純情ミニマム" with four people on the cover. I think it's more like a character book.


 * (EC) Yeah, I see it. Its so confusing trying to figure out what's what. The article said the series was still on-going, but I can't find any sign of that when volume 9 came out over a year ago. Trying to find the Ciel website to see if it has anything useful. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And the "Kimi=Hana" part in List of Junjō Romantica episodes isn't working. The Nihongo template isn't working. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Ugh...{hurl}...uuuuuung...is that a Yaoi series? >_O —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 22:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's exactly how I felt the first time I saw it. But the anime is pretty good. I wouldn't read the manga if I were you, I heard it was pretty... intense. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 22:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * GRRRR!!! Second edit conflict. I've been trying to save this but each time I try to, it's an edit conflict. GRRRR わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Try having four in a row :P And...uh, if you don't like yaoi series, why do you watch them? :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Usually yaoi isn't my thing, but if I just skip all through the eww stuff then I'm fine. It's actually pretty funny. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol yea わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I went to the CIEL site, and didn't find much, but I think they stopped publishing "Junjo Romantica" and moved on to "Junjo Egoist". わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So are Egoist, et all, sequel type series? *confused* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Junjo Romantica was one of the couples (Misami and Akihiko), while Egoist is one of the other couples (forgot their names...). So Egoist is a "sequel", yes, but it focuses more on Junjo Egoist, and less on Junjo Romantica. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I still think it should be "Jyunjyo Romantica"... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:MJ does apply, because they people who made the anime is a company, and they're selling a product :P. But this sort of comes down to the same thing as Fuuma no Kojirou did. Fuuma no Kojirou was named so because the drama company who makes the drama decided to use "Fuuma no Kojirou" rather than "Fuma no Kojiro" or "Fūma no Kojirō". If the anime company prefers to romanize "純情ロマンチカ" as "Jyunjyo Romantica" then that's what Wikipedia should use for the "List of Junjo Romantica episodes". わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 07:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, no. It is not a product, it is a television series. The company has not released any kind of "official romanization" at all. We will use the proper romanization and its more common name, per the anime and manga naming guidelines, not guidelines for real products (which this is not, period). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You beat me to it. Was about to suggest taking the discussion to the project, though really the project talk page probably would have been better than the MoS page. Either should work though. And sorry if I seen snappy...I've had a bitch of a headache most of the weekend and ran out of ibuprofen earlier. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You haven't been a jerk, it's fine. I've had a sore throat most of the weekend... but that doesn't really make me grumpy. Not to say you were grumpy though. I haven't had much time to practice on my cello, so I might not be on as much. I'm playing Bach's Cello Suite 1 Prelude and have to practice like hell for my recital in the spring. It'll be pretty hard... and I'll be playing in front of a lot of people. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 01:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a total grump when I feel bad. The worse I feel the grumpier I get ;) Cool beans on the recital! I tried to learn the violin when I was in middle school, but our teacher never showed up. Another girl was going to learn cello. I always felt bad for her because our classroom was in the basement so she'd have to haul her cello down there every week only to have him not come. :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The violin is pretty hard. I gave up on it, same with the viola. I never understood where to put my fingers on the fingerboard XD. The cello is much much easier. Now the Junjo Romantica thing is getting way too complicated. The anime is called "Romantica Pure Romance" or something like that (Stupid name I think) and the manga is called "Junjo Romantica ~Pure Romance~" which is now "Junjo Romantica: Pure Romance"... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 01:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it is. I've tried twice to learn it, but failed both times. The fingering and the bow work is so difficult, and its really hard to tune without someone experienced to help. I've also tried to learn the guitar, but my hands and arms are too small and it hurt too much. I love the piano, though I've never actually taken lessons. I'll just play whatever suits me. Maybe one day I'll put one in my house now that I have room :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I love the piano. Unfortunately most of my time is spent on my cello. I want to get an electric cello actually... But what I want the most is one of those cool carbon fiber cellos, like a Luis and Clark cello. Those are cool, Yo-Yo Ma has one. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I don't respond for a while, I have to finish Twilight, then do my homework... Crap. I have some algebra stuff to do, then I have to write some dumb story... T~T Looks like I'll be booked tonight (get it, booked? XD) わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I just love the sound of this bass! He plays it so well! This is a great video! Isn't it wonderful? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:53, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yaoi and SJ
One time I was at Borders, it was almost like a murder scene. There was a woman that had a pile of Yaoi manga around her like a shrine, she talked with a lisp. Her two friends came into the isle and asked her if she wanted to go see Twilight with her. So she left with the piles of homosexual manga around her...I saw a Shonen Jump issue out from under the pile. I pulled it out and I found out a gruesome discovery...she ripped it out of the bag... In my own horror I stared at that destroyed Shonen Jump issue. With my jaw dropped, that's when my friend came in and he said, "It's all right {edit}Jump Guru{edit} you'll find another some other day". And we walked away into the light and I cried all that day... : ( —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL interesting story. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Everything except the end is true. :D —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * She took the SJ issue out of the bag. In stores they're sold in bags so that greedy little Yu-Gi-Oh! fans can't steal the Yu-Gi-Oh! cards in them. I have an SJ subscription. I don't need to buy Naruto manga, I has the Naruto Shadow Box. YAYZ!  わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah. I hate it when people remove the shrink wrap from rated M titles. You know its just some dumb kids trying to read something their parents would never buy for them. I remember when Ai Yori Aoshi 17 came out...man, almost every copy at Barnes and Noble had been de-shrinked within two days and all bent to a certain set of pages. I get my SB via subscription too...just easier, cheaper, and always something good to look forward to in my mailbox. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Added "every" there, assuming that's what you meant. Usually that never happens here, because we don't even have a Barnes & Nobles (XD), and because nobody sells M rated manga... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? That sucks. All of our bookstores here sell at least some, as well as the shrink wrapped Ts. I still remember being both amazed and amused that Sensual Phrase was (and still is) available pretty much everywhere. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? So she was buying yaoi, and for some reason she ripped up an issue of SJ? *confused* I personally prefer to buy mine online...bookstores just don't give enough discounts on manga as is, and particularly on yaoi which usually has much higher price tags. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean I think they have a Barnes & Noble up in Anchorage, and also a Starbucks, and maybe a few others, but I was pretty surprised that even in the capital here they didn't have one. I used to like to visit the Kinokuniya stores when I lived in Japan (but that was like when I was four, and read about like Momotaro...) わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 00:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What happened was she wa sreading - already ripped open - Yaoi manga and she ripped open a SJ so she can read. Stuff like that really get's on my nerves. LOL greedy Yu-Gi-Oh! fans. : P Yeah, I hate it when then rip open the M rated titles, I found one kid who was trying to do that and I busted him, along with a employee at Borders. Another thing that they do is hide the wrappers behind the stackes of featured series. I also saw this guy that pulled out a Hentai manga and went into the English comics section, when he left I went over there, and found the wrapper neatly on the floor. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that is so annoying. Its basically theft, and it ruins the books for many other people :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It is theft, another thing: she didn't buy any of that stuff, she just left all that crap for the workers. I picked it all up myself. I think they should just put all of them in plastic wrap like they do in Japan, everyone just plows through the manga and never buys them. Okay, now I will eat my Cinnabon. : D —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done eating my Cinnabon. : D Now then. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Bad thing is most bookstore employees just let them do it, under some false idea that if they don't, they will lose customers. People who just sit on the floor and read some 10-15 manga at a time aren't customers, they are leeches who drive away the real, paying customers. At least in Japan, they have manga cafes where that's acceptable. 01:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just at Borders and came home two seconds ago. I found easily over 10 wrappers behind the manga so no one can see them. They all just so happened to be the "Win a Trip to Japan" Shonen Jump titles, I looked in all the volumes and every single sticker was gone. Also, someone told me that they were going to stop putting them in plasticwrap becuase some people said "it ruins the manga..." Now that is a flat-out lie. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That is a lie, and a silly one. Plastic wrap protects the manga volumes, and if people didn't disregard the law so much, they'd also keep them fresh and unread. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why I buy mostly Japanese manga, for one: that's where most of the good stuff is and two: they are all unread and in perfect condition. : D 05:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be gone for so long, I was at a cello recital... I played Vivaldi's Minuet in B minor :D わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be gone so long I was eating a Cinnabon! : D —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and you just come back here without bringing me one??? :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. : ( I'll ship you one to Texas through the Ike. : P What was some horrific plastic wrap experiences you had? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You know Twilight is actually a pretty good book. I just bought it and I'm already on page 170 something. Ship me a Cinnabon! It'll probably freeze along the way to Alaska but I could thaw it out :D わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 01:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Why are you going to Alaska? : S Cello recital? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. I live there... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 03:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm just gonna go read Twilight... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 03:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Funny I found another manga in plastic wrap that someone couldn't open. The top was stretched and torn a bit. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. Some of it can be hard to open. I usually very carefully cut with a box cutter across the top so there is no chance of damaging pages. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't have any M-rated titles where you live? No Gantz, no Tough, no Bastard!!? : ( —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We have plenty of them, and usually they are shrink wrapped (unless someone ripped the shrink wrapping off). I noted above, Sensual Phrase was sold openly in stores, as are all those titles you mentioned. Ditto several yaoi titles. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? In the stores near me all those titles are shrink wrapped. : P One Gantz was de-shrinked in my nearest Borders. -_- It's probobly some kid who's sick of Pokémon and want's to be like a "gwon-nup". —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure they would have M rated titles, if we even had a major bookstore. Walmart and Fred Meyer's have manga, but usually just in the Shonen Jump, but the other bookstores here don't have any manga (T~T). I have to order my manga online, or when I'm down south, I buy it there. About the plastic wrap damaging the manga: I heard somewhere that it's not the wrap that damages it, it's the process in which they add the wrap to it, they have use like a vacuum packager thingy and it has a chance of bending the pages a bit, but overall it does protect the manga from getting damaged, and there's a smaller chance it would be bent than if it wasn't packaged. Something like that... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 02:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that's not that bad. I'd rather it be bent by the company. Why? Then it's an official bent, because the compan did it and most of all an inanimate object *ROFLcopter*. : P —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 20:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Merging?
I'm thinking of merging these two pages,List of characters in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World to List of characters in Tales of Symphonia, but seeing as how no one replied to my discussion in the page, I'm asking whether it's a good ideal; They are both the same series and almost all the cast re-appears in it's sequel.DragonZero (talk) 23:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good idea to me. No point having redundant lists. Sort of like Naruto and Naruto Shippoden. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Shippoden? Don't you mean "Shippūden"? わwa  らra  うu  Smile!


 * I didn't feel like bothering with the macrons. I rarely do when I'm just discussing something on a talk page....*sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Even still it should be "Shippuden" not "Shippoden". わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 23:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Close enough :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 00:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Tales of the Abyss infobox
There should be an anime infobox for Tales of the Abyss. Extremepro (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, there shouldn't. It is not an anime article, its a video game article. Anime infoboxes only go on actual articles fully focused on an anime/manga series. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

NaNo shout out
Just wanted to give a shout out to another avid Wikipedian who is also a NaNoWriMo participant. I've already crossed the 50K line this year with my novel, and wanted to give you some encouragement to keep on going! Here's a cuppa Joe to keep you going. As for myself, I think I still have over 100K left until the story is actually finished; I'm only on chapter 11. :P And I don't have nice a synopsis or excerpt either; maybe I'll get to that in the next couple of days or something now that I've crossed the finish line of the second time (first was 2006; I failed in 2007 however).--  十  八  11:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks and congrats! I was feeling fairly confident until I found myself unable to write last night because of a particularly stubborn headache. Blech. Mine will probably end up being at the 50-60k mark when its finished. I have most of the last plot points mapped out, just got to put them into words. :) I'm gonna keep trying though...I'd love to make it to the finish line for the first time at last! :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh great.
This guy and I are having an argument about the barefoot thing on Kagura's page. Honestly, it's trivial, it doesn't have any relevance to the article, and doesn't need to be there. I told him on his talk page to stop editing it, it's being discussed on the talk page, and then he snapped at me, then I told him that a lot of other characters are barefoot (Koga, InuYasha, etc) and he said "Then add them. If you don't I will" or something like that. I don't want to bite the newcomers, but I want to knock some sense into him. It's not noteworthy that all the characters are barefoot. わwa らra  うu  Smile! 07:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added her article to my watch list and will keep an eye on things. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Bardock
You sure it was a good idea to take off these refs? Now the entire section is pretty much unsourced. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They weren't valid refs, so it was unsourced anyway. Links off to PhotoShack images and scans are not references, they are WP:COPYRIGHT violations. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Xplico: Unnotable software
I have removed the prod tag from Xplico, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks!

I do not know what you intent to "Unnotable software", but if you refer to the source code, then you can find them in BerliOS. Ciao. Diodime (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That doesn't make it notable at all. I have sent it to AfD for deletion since you, the article creator, removed the prod. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Beverly Hills Chihuahua
Please watch out for 3RR. Is the issue of whether or not an image is simply decorative really worth edit warring over? --Onorem♠Dil 13:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They are acting against consensus at this point, and basically promoting their own image. I won't revert again in the next 24 hours, but someone certainly needs to do something about them that they are completely ignoring and rejecting the agreement that the image is nothing but decoration. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Comprehensiveness criteria in a television FLC
Hi, I have been pointed to you (as a WP:TV member) to request comment on Cr 3. Comprehensiveness regarding the viewing figures in this FLC. I will not put forward any argument here, I would just like your interpretation on the discussion. Any questions please ask. Many thanks, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  17:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments left. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 11:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Revision of Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan/Anime and Manga
Sorry, but my most recent revision accidently cut off my comment why. The reason I undid your revision was that in order to make a few MINOR adjustments, you undid ALL of my alphabetization which was a HELL of a lot of work! BTW: I don't mind if you want to throw temper tantrums if there's a comment saying there's a page made on the list; but it didn't SAY not to when I started (in fact, the introductory paragraph gave the implication of just the opposite). Also, I'm not going to do remove the entry if I'm not certain of synonymy (the EVA-R being an example). I feel also, that there should be SOME sort of record in the log WHY a page was removed, so that someone don't make the SAME request later. CFLeon (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

PS: I should also mention that I put the information on each entry for several reasons: I'm a bit peeved, because your revising my entries WHEN I'm in the middle of writing them has cost me a lot of extra time and effort in the last couple of days that I did not have to spare re-doing things- especially alphabetization. (In the alphabet that I learned, 'Ak' comes BEFORE 'Ao'.) CFLeon (talk) 01:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * To establish identification. ('EVA-R' doesn't help when there's 'Rebuild', 'Revival' or 'Re-Make'; another example is YAT, which using that name gets you an airport article with no redirect)
 * To establish notability. Something with 175 episodes is USUALLY more notable that an one-shot OVA.
 * If there is ANYTHING about the show at all, as a start to making the new page or if it deserves its own. ('Animal Crossing' is MENTIONED in the article with that name, but said article is about the videogame, with virtually NO information about the movie at all, other that its existence. I don't think that it needs its own page, but there is a total lack of information there.)
 * The introduction says to do so, and a lot of people haven't been.


 * Your edits were inappropriate. I left you a note, you continued to ignore it. I reverted earlier inappropriate markings of articles as "done" again with a note, and you ignore it as well. You are refusing to do what is supposed to be done. If you don't know what you're doing, don't edit the list. The log is NOT the place to have records of why pages were removed or why they are not created, that's what the other guidelines, policies, and deletion guidelines. Your reverting of my removal of many inappropriate requests was inappropriate, and frankly, that takes precedence over your attempt at alphabetization (which is an extremely easy thing to do and takes no time at all, unlike reviewing the current entries and cleaning them out. Animal Crossing HAS an article. If people want to discuss splitting out from that, the discussions go there. We do not keep requests for those sorts of articles period. I removed the EVA and other requests because they also were inappropriate. Their main series have articles, split discussions go there. And frankly, I don't care if you are peeved, but do not accuse me of "throwing a tantrum" when YOU ignored requests to follow the consensus based guidelines instead of your personal point of view. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Shueisha page
I was working on the Shueisha page all day. So far i'msa thinkin' it looks pretty good. There's still many things that need to be done though. : ) What do you think? —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello? x 1,000 —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know... she isn't responding! T~T わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 10:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I feelz so ignored... ×1000 わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 10:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a holiday weekend y'all and I've been trying to relax and not edit as much because I've been sick for a week. The article has too many images that seem to have no purpose. That image in the infobox does not appear to be an actual logo, just something taken from the website or something? The book cover use here violates WP:NONFREE. The magazine table seems excessive, and the Jump color coding is unnecessary. I am not convinced that it needs a complete list of every magazine the company has ever published, rather a prose discussion that highlights the notable magazines. References are missing the language tag, but otherwise history section seems to be coming along well. Some non-Shueisha sources would be good. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 11:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh we're sorry. : ( We just see someone answering to everybody but us... —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was answering the stuff that was quick to answer. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think William W. Connolly should look at this. That was a rather rude way to block somebody -no matter how much they deserved it :P JK わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 03:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think he blocked me for edit warring. His attitude indicates he did it purely to punish me, I guess for not being all grateful that he didn't block me at first. Don't think it's right, but probably will stand because he is an admin and all. Oh well...goes nicely with my ruined Thanksgiving dinner and all. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What happened at Thanksgiving? I had an okay Thanksgiving. Sadly my mom was out of town, and couldn't make it for dinner, so it was just my dad and relatives... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 04:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I cooked the turkey upside down ruining the breast which is the only part I like, so after my dogs and my cat got some, I tossed the whole thing. Part of my dinner was prepared from my Angel Food thanksgiving box. Their mashed potatoes were good, tastes like my mom's, and the corn was good. The yeast rolls sucked as did the cornbread stuffing. I didn't put enough brown sugar in my candied yams, and I messed up my macaroni and cheese multiple times. Out of the seven dishes I cooked, three got thrown in the trash. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That sucks... Otherwise was your Thanksgiving good? I at least got to spend time with my family, minus my mom... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. I don't know why I even bother with it at all. So stupid to cook all that food for just myself anyway. Only good thing about it is having a long weekend away from work, usually spent editing here but can't even do that, so now just sitting and watching the two Terminator movies. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the block was removed? The block was stupid anyways. He was completely abusing his power. That was obviously vandalism, and should have been reverted. You should probably just relax, and take a Wikibreak, sometimes it's pretty overwhelming on here. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, because I've been here long enough to know better, even if it was "valid." -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well have fun with the Terminator... I'll be back! わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Enjoy both of them, and got another 1800+ words added to my NaNo. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen those movies in like forever... I can't wait for my mom to get back... so I can get my Twilight books :D. I'm like addicted to that book...s (well I haven't read the others, so they could uberly suck...). Christmas this year won't be very exciting because I know the majority of the stuff I'm gonna get... Clothes, games, movies, books... Maybe a new cello :D <3... I want one of those cool electric ones now... I seem to want a lot... I should start shopping for other people besides myself... I feel so selfish. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 09:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I always hate it when I know what I'm getting, except for the gift from my best friend cause if I don't tell him something exact he has no clue what to get. :P Takes some of the fun out to not get surprised though. Hopefully someone will sneak some surprises in there. :) I've only bought one gift so far, a CD for my mom. I've picked out some other presents, but can't do the shopping till after payday. Fortunately, I only buy gifts for four or five people, so its quick once I get going. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna go get some pumpkin pie... at 12:17 in the morning :P わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 09:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Mmm...pie would be good (even at 3:19 am like it is here LOL). Never did make the apple pie I planned to make. Decided not to take the chance after the disaster everything else was. Figure maybe later today I'll get back to my normal good cook self and can get that made. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Pie is always good. My favorite type is apple crisp. What's yours? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 09:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It depends on the season. In the colder months, cherry or apple, nice and warm and with lots of fruit. I hate it when a pie is more crust that fruit. In the warmer months, though, key lime pie becomes my favorite :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For me it's just apple crisp the entire year :P. I've never been much of a cherry person, so cherry pie isn't my fave. I don't like pies that have too much crust either... This has become an odd conversation... from Shueisha, to awful Thanksgivings to pie. How'd that happen? わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 09:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna go soon, my back is starting to hurt for sitting on my chair for like an hour... I'm gonna watch Ratatouille... That's a good movie. I'm not much of a Disney person, but my aunt sent me a crap-load of Japanese dictionaries and Disney movies... I still have to watch Tortoise vs. Hare and one Fox and the Hound... maybe I'll watch all of them to-night. お休みなさい. That's how we say it in mah country (at least the country I used to live in). O yasumi nasai!  わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 09:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Night :) Fox and the Hound is cute, though absolutely nothing like the "source" book. :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Or not. I'm back again. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 10:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Man this sucks...seeing people vandalize stuff and spam pages and can't do anything. Someone added a spam link to the CCS article and just vandalized the Film infobox documentation. Wee. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 10:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been on and off my compy like this entire evening. I turned it off around 11, then on about 11:10, then off again at about 1, then on again a bit later and now I think I'm gonna get off actually... I'm pretty tired. I should get sleep. Bye! わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 10:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Post-credit category
Thanks for helping to revert the changes. I already blocked the user and was in the process of gradually removing them all, and when I refreshed the IP's contributions, all of the articles were already done. Thanks for helping out! As a side note, congrats on Maneater for reaching GA status! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob. :) And thanks! Soon as NaNo is done, I'll get back to working on the next one from the series, Croc :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Wilson the Volleyball
Rewriting this to bring it in line with MOS has been a challenge... and my quest for sources is not at an end. But it's getting late and I thought to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving. Best,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I can't say I think its notable, but at least the article is a little better and certainly referenced. Now I just hope Wal-mart is open for part of the day cause I forgot to buy the pans I need to cook dinner! :-P Happy Thanksgiving! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 10:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR warning
Consider yourself lucky not to have been blocked over the Dragon Ball stuff, since you clearly broke 3RR. And try to be a bit kinder to the noobs... all this sockpuppet stuff from someone who isn't, as far as I can see, trying to hide William M. Connolley (talk) 21:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * He didn't mention it until he was called on it, which I find suspicious. If he isn't up front about it, particularly when he used both accounts simultaneously, it seems like sockpuppetry so I reported it. He jumped back to that account to upload an image because his new account was to new to do it, indicating to me he is changing accounts for a bad reason. His new username seems very specific to what he is trying to do. In the AfD for that character, he claims he created an account purely to weigh in on the AfD, yet he already had an account, so why did he need a new one when he obviously can still access the first one. I don't see any attempt at doing a right to vanish type thing, rather he seems to be trying to create new throw away accounts purely to have an agenda specific one. Looking at his other account, he has not acting in good ways in other areas. He actually tried to claim that Miley Cyrus was dead then edit warred over it when other editors called him on the obvious false information. He also attempted to add false information to other biographies o fliving people! And I mentioned in my report that I broke 3RR on the one page, but had stopped reverting at that point. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Apologies: I'd failed to notice that you'd deliberately broken 3RR after filing the report. 12h William M. Connolley (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

He did not block me for that, he blocked me over an hour later because he falsely decided that my noting that I was not the one who had restored the version I had been reverting to meant that I had reverted AFTER filing the report, which I did not! This is ridiculous. *sigh* But I doubt you will unblock, so can you please to revert the edits made to Dumbo, which is WP:COPYVIO from an eBay page among others, and maybe watch him because its probably the Disney vandal again.


 * I would grant this request. It appears to me that the blocking administrator may have been mistaken. I do not want to overrule two colleagues unilaterally but am posting to ANI for further, hopefully prompt attention. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * AnmaFinotera, could you speak to your edits at the template? This appears to be article both William and Daniel are referencing. Kuru  <sup style="color:#f5deb3;">talk  03:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what to say about them. If I reverted that after I filed the report, it was not intentional nor a deliberate intention to violate 3RR. I fully accept and apologize for edit warring with this person over this, and was fine with being warned. Going back and forth between the two, I lost count of the reverts, and seeing his other dubious behavior, I was less inclined to see him as attempting to be useful but rather deliberately creating a bunch of links just so people would have to go undo them in another day or two. However, I really feel this block was not done because I was edit warring, as reverting on both sides stopped after the report and his warning, but was done well after the fact to punish me for not responding in the way he felt was appropriate, I guess.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the history in some detail, and it appears that some incorrect statements could have been made along the way. The behavior of the other editor, User:KeepRecoome, leaves much to be desired, and a longer block for him might have been deserved. Normally it would be best to let WMC review the situation, but I would support an immediate unblock if William is not available. I don't see any admin error here, but the unblock would address the fact that the other editor behaved worse. The above statement by AnmaFinotera is also encouraging. EdJohnston (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I demur. I'm a little concerned that only after two declines and a specific comment do you address what I see as the relevant issue for the block: the fourth revert, the diff for which I linked clearly. You say you were going back and forth and "lost count". An editor as long in the tooth as you are here, certainly cognizant of 3RR, should know better than to put themselves in a position where they might lose count and inadvertently violate 3RR. If you were, it means that as described on your userpage you were "wikibonked" and shouldn't have been editing. At least not when engaged in a hot revert war with an SPA. The proper solution, as I have explained to countless editors I've declined to unblock, is RFPP. A request there would have probably been filled quickly, coming from you, and saved you this trouble. Daniel Case (talk) 05:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My user page does not say I am wikibonked, it explains what the term means and has been there for months. Guess I better remove it since people seem to want to throw it out for no apparent reason. Anyway, I get it, no editing for 12 hours because I screwed up and let an SPA sock puppeteer with a known history of vandalism draw me into accidentally doing too many reverts. Sometimes I wonder why I keep wasting so much of my time here. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think you waste your time here... you do help and contribute to tons of articles, and you help the Wikipedia project become better... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. On the good side, all this inspired me to clean out my watchlist. Went from 3,363 items to only 948. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * An excellent thing for anyone to do ... I think more quality editors get themselves into trouble by having gigantic watchlists than anything else (Mine is at 133 (and that's across all namespaces), and I do trim it every now and then (mainly of categories that are no longer likely to be deleted). To revert to my earlier mode, it is when you are dealing with "an SPA sock puppeteer with a known history of vandalism" that you must be even more careful to follow procedure. Accounts like that will use any apparent double standard they can find and never let us hear the end of it. We don't want to give them any legitimate cause. (To clarify, I didn't mean to suggest that your page said you were wikibonked, just that if you were in a position to lose track of what you were doing to the point that you broke a basic rule, you were wikibonked, by the definition on your page). Daniel Case (talk) 05:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Any chance someone could CSD (author deletion) User:AnmaFinotera/InProgress, User:AnmaFinotera/WIP4, User:AnmaFinotera/WIP3, User:AnmaFinotera/WIP5, User:AnmaFinotera/WIP1, and User:AnmaFinotera/Me and Wikipedia, or do I have to wait to self tag after the block is over? --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. seresin ( ¡? )  06:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Gracias. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

To be clear: you were blocked for. Perhaps you may wish to reconsider some of your assertions above William M. Connolley (talk) 08:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I stand by my assertion. You did not block me for 3RR. You closed the report as having strongly warned me and having left a rather snarky remark that you didn't believe my note that I would not revert anymore because both pages were back at the versions I had reverted to. You only blocked me after apparently deciding that my remark that I was NOT the one who reverted the list, so instead you blocked me for an hour old revert on the template. That was not 3RR blocking, it was a punitive reaction to your apparently not liking my response to your warning. I don't even remember doing that damn revert, but looking closer, I see it happened when I was reverting his adding those damn links to some other dozen articles (which both I and another editor were reverting at the same time). I used rollback and was going through the list quickly, so must have hit the template by accident. Only time I don't leave a regular edit summary is when I use rollback, since it doesn't have that option. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

List of InuYasha Characters
Just letting you know that I reverted what you reverted that I had done. Shippo has a main article, just like Kagome and InuYasha, so it should be shown LIKE Kagome and InuYasha, that there is a main article, not just his name having a link. It should be like what Kagome, InuYasha, Miroku, and Sango all have the link to the main article as. Also, regarding your revert to the edit I made to Kagura: She, like all the other characters, should have her voice actors listed in the same way that other characters have their voice actors listed.

I hope that you do not take this the wrong way and jump down my throat like other editors have and get defensive, I'm just letting you know the reason for the edits. I appreciate your help when you have helped me by reverting edits that some people have made that have been vandalism to the articles. Kagome 77 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll let the main link stay, but your changes the voice actors is incorrect. Perhaps you have not noticed, but we have been working to change ALL of the characters to the prose method, not the one you keep trying to reimplement. InuYasha is a manga first, not an anime series. The anime is an adaptation. Per project consensus, we agreed that for such character lists, voice actors should be listed in prose to avoid overly emphasizing the anime over the manga. I've gone ahead and fixed the rest so they are now consistent. For your edit to Jakotsu, by all means join the discussion on the talk page regarding the character and ask for a source there on his being mistaken for a female. I haven't seen the chapters nor the episodes with the BoS and I gave up trying to change any of that beyond just cleaning up the wording.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, by a rather cool coincidence, the episode where Jakotsu died ("Fare The Well: Jakotsu") aired on Cartoon Network tonight. He is referred to as "her" in the episode summary, if that makes any difference. Someone may also want to correct the summary, as the guy who takes his shard apologizes and he smiles at him as if he is okay with that, rather than it being violent as it appears from the current one. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 10:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanksgiving Award
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 * Aww...thanks! I think that may be my BIGGEST award yet ;-) And, now that I have my pans, I can scramble to try to get everything cooked. Wee! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. : ) I put all my effort into making it. —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 20:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

How was your Thanksgiving? Mine was great, right now i'm drinking some cider. The only problem with Thanksgiving is eating the leftovers. :-P —  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 04:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I finished a whole bottle of cider today (XD)... Thanksgiving was okay for me, despite my mom being out of town. I think we'll be eating turkey for at least another week :P わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 04:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Mine mostly sucked, as noted above and below. Though I did laugh at Rick Astley Rick rolling the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. :-P That was hilarious. According to Bobby Flay, the leftovers are the best part of Thanksgiving. :P I've never drunk cider, interestingly enough.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol you did? Sounds fun... I'm completely addicted to I'm Yours... that's like the bestest song ever... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 05:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant seeing Rick Astley at Macy's parade... not the whole "Thanksgiving sucks" thing... わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 06:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they did it really cool, having him suddenly appear in a kid's show float :-D And, I just love that song anyway (kid of the 80s), so I never mind getting "rick rolled". -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Some help
Recently, someone is changing the voice actors for articles to incorrect names. The user is an Ip address with 98.112.79.173 and my protection on the page List of characters in Tales of Symphonia does not seem to be working. I assume this was the same person who tried to vandalize the voice actors for this page some weeks ago, since they tried to put the same false voice actors for Lloyd Irving, and I'm wondering if I could get this person banned somehow.

Some other questions. DragonZero (talk) 01:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyways I'm wondering how to reference for game scenes for this page the character page above.
 * Should Disgaea (series) be redirected to it's first page?
 * And I'm wondering how else can I compress this article. List of Disgaea characters


 * Um...you aren't an admin so you can't protect an article. You could try submitting a request for page protection to see if an admin will protect it, but looking at the history, the request would probably be denied for not having heavy enough vandalism, and since its all from one IP, better to just do the appropriate escalating warnings then report to AIV if he continues after a final warning.
 * For referencing the article, Cite video game. If it has named levels/chapters, you can specify the reference by level/chapter using the level attribute (I think). Some folks use quotes, as well, to make each reference more specific, though I generally find that rather cluttering.
 * You mean to Disgaea: Hour of Darkness? If so, then no, it seems to have at least three games, which is enough for a series article (ala Final Fantasy). Or did you mean to Disgaea? If all of the Disgaea games list there are part of the series, then Disgaea (series) should be moved to Disgaea and replace the disambig page (as a real move, i.e. requesting Disgaea be CSDed using.
 * Compress which article?
 * -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 11:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Opinion please
Per a previous chat I have finally started A Love Hina Sandbox for the purpose of sorting out Love Hina's tonal issues. As an experienced editor and as a neutral to the article/series, your opinion is valuable. Feel free to put in hidden comments or make any adjustments yourself! It should be considered work in progress as it lacks sources (for clarity in writing it) and lacks any out of universe infomation (seems to vary from article to article, but I can certainly do some for the main female characters thanks to Mugendai). As the media info has been merged, the tonal issue tag and the sourcing are the only parts preventing a clearance of b-class checklist (Not sure if the tonal issue is enough to prevent a B, but i'm assuming it is in order to get it sorted). It will be much easier to finish the sourcing with a more concise character listing :)

not sure how to tackle the ages issue though (clarity or function?) Dandy Sephy (talk) 06:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll try to take a look at this during a break in the holidays so I can give it better attention. One quick thing I noted, with the ages, is that in general differences in the anime should be noted at the end of the description rather than as parenthetical or mixed with the main description. Might even be worth it to just remove the ages all together, unless knowing the specific ages rather than just "high school student", "university student", etc, is needed? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 10:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm you might be right there. IIRC the ages were already distinguished for each medium with some of the characters before I started editing the article, so I simply tried to clarify it. I'm not sure knowing the ages is of great importance within the short list, but removing them is likely to mean people still try inserting the incorrect ones. Either that or just using the manga ages then tweaking the explanation at the beginning of the section Dandy Sephy (talk) 14:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I got rather tired of dealing with the age issue on List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters and finally just removed them. It also had the same issue of the characters aging during the series, so finally just went for school range (or even grade). If kept, though, it should pretty much be the manga ages. Usually, I think the short lists don't really list anime differences at all unless they are really major. Of course, the boldest (and may craziest LOL), option would be to dump the character list in the main article all together, as we did with Tokyo Mew Mew :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't see me dumping the character section, especially due to the state of the separate character article (take the existing "short list" and amplify the style across a much larger article with much more detail and many more characters). That really would be crazy! Perhaps once the full character article is done, but I can see it being left to me, and rewriting AND sourcing it is going to be far too much for me. Naturally I can ask for assistance, but my request for similar actions on the Ranma articles fell on deaf ears, so I'm not hopeful. Call me paranoid, but I'm expecting any changes made to the short character list to be trashed regardless of how beneficial they are. I do agree the anime ages aren't needed, but again, I expect plenty of reverts/repeated insertion if they are removed. Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If its well sourced and people are attempting to revert, its vandalism, so they can be dealt with. You probably won't get much help on editing, but if someone starts a discussion complaining, then you can usually get help with that in the project talk. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If I interpreted a comment I saw earlier correctly, the voice actors should be moved to the end of the description or removed right? Currently I've used the same seiyuu format as the existing text. Dandy Sephy (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, since Love Hina's primary work is the manga, the voice actors should be moved to the end and written in prose rather than using the anime voices template. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Naruto
Do you think reception could be divided in "critical reception" and "sales"? It is becoming very long.Tintor2 (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi?Tintor2 (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Will look at later, but from a quick scan, I don't think it needs splitting yet. It doesn't seem overly long to me. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any information we could add to the anime section? I searched in several websites, but I didnt find anything.Tintor2 (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean regarding the anime schedule and release, or the the anime reception part? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Tha anime schedule and release.Tintor2 (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought its ep lists were FL? There isn't anything in those that we can use? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 12:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There is not not too much. It talks more about the seasons release.Tintor2 (talk) 12:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a note...
...to offer sympathy in two separate realms:
 * 1) As an admin, I won't risk breaching WP:NPA by saying what I think of that block--but as an admin, I WILL say, as diplomatically as possible, that I wouldn't have made that block under those circumstances.
 * 2) A ruined Thanksgiving dinner...man, that's a saaaaaad thought. (How did cooking the turkey breast-side-down ruin it? A ton of recipes I've read say that's the best way to do it!) Did the dog and cat at least appreciate it?? Anyhow...I'd say "Happy Thanksgiving" but...yeah, clearly not--so instead I'll say "Hang in there." You do good work, even if it's not always appreciated by everyone. GJC 06:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was a whole turkey instead of a turkey breast. The breast ended up sitting in the juices and stuff, so while it was juicy and falling off the bone tender, it had no flavor at all cause none of the seasonings got to it, just the butter and oils, so very very bland, almost like boiled chicken without seasoning except being a little greasy. And yeah, they were some happy babies. I don't give them "human" food very often, so they always love it when they get bits at the holidays. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Naruto Uzumaki
Uh, what is TW? I did not use any such thing, I simply linked to two characters and posted the references. I didn't know the source exactly as put, because I didn't know the volume, but I put all other necessary information. "Unsourced and excessive" is also kinda a stretch. The same part could easily apply to Inuyasha's fire rat immunity, since when one lists powers, this also takes into account immunities. Since Naruto seems to have this ability I was list that, although I won't do this weird connection to Sakon and Ukon. Bulmabriefs144 (talk) 13:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you didn't. The edit summary was letting you know that I used TW (Twinkle) to revert your two edits. Your statements read like WP:OR, with you making guesses as to what something meant because it is not specifically noted in teh episode. It also is not a particularly necessary thing to know. The abilities section should be a summary, not a breakdown of all of his abilities and their minute nuances. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Kenpachi's zanpakuto being in a constant state of release
ok this statement is not true cause he doesnt know his zanpakuto's name nor does he have its co-operation, unlike the case with ichigo, shikai being its released state you need to know your zanpakuto's name and have its co-operation which Ichigo does (his being zangetsu) but Kenpachi doesnt have either of these qualifications, so he has no shikai and dont point to the manga cause thats just an assumption by Ichigo and as we all know assuptions can be dangerous, Kenpachi's spiritual pressure is so big that he cant seal it into his sword no matter how hard he tried hence his sword is unsealed and Ichigo is relived during his battle with Kenpachi cause he knows kenpachi's sword cant get any stronger hence going shikai (Ichigo doesnt know about Bankai yet this early in the story line)

thats the evidence I have in the changes I made but im done and tired of trying to educate people in the simple things and facts about Kenpachi and Im honestly done with it, so yeah you can keep the changes as it, all I ask is you look at the proof I have shown you as to Kenpachi not having shikai

good day and farewell to you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenpachi1921 (talk • contribs) 07:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Your "proof" is YOUR presumption. Ichigo's voice, being from the series, has more weight than a fan's interpretation. Unless a reliable sources says Ichigo's statement is wrong, we will continue to follow it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

笑ってください！ Waratte kudasai! Smile!
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Moocowsrule has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Happy late Thanksgiving! わwa らra  うu  Smile! 00:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * NP. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 00:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * New signature! 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 01:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I is gonna go practice mah cello :D 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 01:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Have fun...I went out and tried to shop. Still not finding a Christmas tree I like, can't really get into the mood though. Ended up getting a ginormous jug of cheese balls from Sam's Club and two mangas and a Japanese light novel from Barnes and Noble.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It was fun. It actually only lasted for like 20 mins, after I got bored and decided to play Runescape (XD I know I'm a nerd). 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 03:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol sounds fun. I completely disagree with Bobby Flay. The best Thanksgiving is the day of Thanksgiving. Leftovers get all soggy in the fridge D: 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 03:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * CHEESE BALLS!!! You mean like Cheetos? I like those, even though when I eat them all the cheese gets on my fingers... D: 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 03:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Similar, yes, but little rounds instead of sticks. I love Cheetos too though, and cheese puffs. :D This jug is so big I can barely carry it LOL -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL... That'll last a while... 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 04:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope so (and so does my waist line :-P) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL... I'm gonna start using Kunrei-shiki romanization, I find it better. Of course on here, we have to use Hepburn romanization... 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 05:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GUESS WHAT I FOUND???!!!! I found cello sheet music for Sadness and Sorrow from NARUTO, Hikari from Kingdom Hearts and still doll from Vampire Knight!!! YAYZ!!! Now I can play all those on the cello! MES SO HAPPY!!! -- 大 好き  牛君です！  Smile! 05:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I is gonna go practice mah cello songs... -- 大 好き  牛君です！  Smile! 06:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool on finding those songs! Have fun practicing (still trying to finish my NaNo). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * T~T I'd have more fun if mah cello wasn't COMPLETELY out of tune... I'm worried about breaking the strings... It's getting colder out, so my cello will get out of tune more... T~T 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 06:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have enough time for NaNoWriMo... I'd like to, but it's already the 25th... and it's too late to start. Oh well, next year! -- 大 好き  牛君です！  Smile! 06:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Pooh on the cold affecting the cello. I'm really close to "winning" which will be my first time doing so, though its my third year participating. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Pooh? As in Winnie the Pooh? YAYZ!!! ぐっど・らっく！ 大  好き  牛君です！  Smile! 06:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * XD I just realized that I still had the "Smile!" part in my signature, which goes horribly with "Daisuki Ushi-kun desu!" (大好き牛君です！)... I changed it now, and now it says my name in it. 大  好き  牛君です！  Moocowsrule luffs cows! 07:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think this signature is too hard to read? I think so... -- Moo cows  rule  07:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Easier to read one: Moo  cows  rule  07:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, its easier to read than the kanji ;) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Those are REALLY hard to read. I changed it again. Moo cows  rule  07:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Might want to make the cows part darker, though. I didn't realize there was a word there at first :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you see the "cows" part? Moo  cows  rule  07:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know how to make the "cows" part appear on a black background? That would make it easier to see... Moo  cows  rule  07:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I got it... Moo   cows   rule 07:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

There! Moo  cows   rule 07:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You know...you can use the sandbox to test signatures too, right? You can code it there, see how it looks, then just paste to preferences when its right. That's how I did mine. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea... I know... I just find it easier to do it the manual way... Moo   cows   rule 09:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna try to finish Twilight again. I'm gonna stay up as late as I need to finish it :D Moo   cows   rule 09:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy reading! I played some Final Fantasy X-2, then read some of the third Blood+ novel.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 10:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel like such a giver upper... I mean I said I'd practice my cello twice last night, and each time I did it for like 10 minutes... then I said I'd read Twilight, but I didn't and just decided to listen to music... I wonder why Jump Guru hasn't commented on here for such a long time... Moo   cows   rule 20:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes its hard to stick to a plan. I have times like that too. Maybe he's enjoying the weekend or doing Black Friday shopping. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh great. Now I'm not gonna sleep tonight. I just had to watch "Ghost Adventures"... D: Moo   cows   rule 22:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC) XDDDDDDDDDDDDD THESE ARE SO FREAKING FUNNY!!! Go here! It's SO funny! Moo  cows   rule 05:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

re WP:ANI#...Disney Vandal back again
While you may not feel too well disposed toward admins at the moment, are you able to check over our friends usual haunts and let the good(ish... well, they are alright... usually) folks at ANI if there are any other addys and articles to clean up? Ta. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello AnmaFinotera, how are you? Your page was still on my watchlist so I saw this post. Our Little Buddy was back on Welsh Wikipedia today at 1945 with the IP address 74.249.96.148, now blocked. Dumped some Disney-related English text for us. This was his first appearance for several weeks (seems our range blocks are working). Just thought I'd keep in touch. Good luck! Enaidmawr (talk) 23:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * PS Don't let the 3R get you down: we all get our sums wrong sometimes! Enaidmawr (talk) 23:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * and are both him (I'd already suspected Pizzahutpanpizza and reverted his first two edits, but didn't bother tagging him). His editing tends to be fairly distinctive, with a mix of "okay" and bad edits, primarily reverting various Disney articles to older versions before clean up attempts were made, refactoring talk pages, undoing archiving, changing project templates to incorrect ratings, making bad redirects, and adding links to his many bad articles on other language wiki's. His taunt is likely a response to my removing the Disney vandal info from my user page (and my somewhat sarcastic edit summary) by which he knows I am not going to bother being the "Disney vandal fighter" anymore. (Guess that proves my theory that he was stalking my contribs as well)  is someone else. The Disney articles are, actually, hit regularly by 3 known repeat vandals:


 * the main one (Bambifan101 socks), who sometimes self-identifies, depending on his mood, and sometimes tries to pretend he's just a new editor, but almost always reverts to his old behaviors quickly
 * the User:Skymac207 IP socks who constantly changes the release dates and almost always vandalizes User:Gabrielkat user and user talk pages as well and occasionally self identifies by signing his comments with his sock name (last known IP to hit is 66.63.88.209)
 * and the newer one, the Clone Wars one, who runs around and edits a bunch of the Disney Princess articles to insert fake stuff about some Disney Princess vs Star Wars Clone War thing.


 * Enaidmawr, the range blocks helped, but he has still slipped in a few more named socks. May want to check for Jnhbiegvidsjik, Nkljhhguyfyufyy, I pick my nose, and Hgerdhdh, which are some of the newest ones from the last week or so.


 * I have removed all of the Disney and Teletubbies articles from my watchlist and will not be involving myself in this anymore. Someone else is welcome to use the info I removed from my user page and in the various AN/I and abuse reports to take over watching for Bambifan101 if they want. I never wrote up anything for the other two, though I'm pretty sure Skymac has some stuff somewhere identifying the source sock. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just got back here. Thank you for all the details. Truly incredible! I don't blame you in the least for giving it a rest, this is enough to try the patience of a saint. He's still here as I write (latest? diff: Charlotte's Web (1973 film) as, saying he thinks "the vandal's" edits are alright. I'll make a note of the additional info you've kindly provided. If I had nothing better to do I'd check out other wiki editions via likely articles' interwiki links, but I certainly don't intend to lose sleep about it. There's more to life than wikipedia, vandals and all. Thanks again. I'll wish you a belated Happy Thanksgiving! Best wishes, Enaidmawr (talk) 00:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's another of his amusements, making a named account and claiming to be "undoing" the IPs edits, when really he's reverting their undoing or continuing along the same lines. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! I had missed this - laziness or old age, or even lazy old age! - and am sorry I stuck you back in the firing line when you had retired from this stuff. I am no expert, but I have blocked enough of these to be able to see the obvious stuff so I shan't bother you over this again. Thanks for all the previous sluething and ferreting about. I hope whatever bits of WP you now devote your time to will be enjoyable (and less stressful). Anytime you need a sysop, let me know and I will suggest a few of the good ones... ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. Figured you'd gone out to enjoy the holidays :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Holidays? I live at the other end of the British Isles to Scotland (it being St. Andrews Day today) - although Cornwall is the part of the UK that is closest to America, if you are referring to Thanksgiving... LessHeard vanU (talk) 10:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, didn't realize that. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Borat
I've moved this page becuase his has a inapropriatly long title for Wikipedia. It's been a while and I just came back to the page just a few seconds ago and it's been oved back with what I have moved now as a redirect. : P  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 22:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Um...you moved a featured article without any discussion??? You generally don't just move those kinds of articles on a whim. Yes, it has a long title, but its name has apparently been discussed at least twice consensus being to keep the full title. When did you move it? The last move I see was way back in May. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL It wasn't a featured article when I moved it. : P Nah, whatever.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah. But yeah, consensus seems strongly to keep it at its full official title. Could maybe start another discussion, but right now that just seems to get folks pointed to the old one. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Need some tips
For the article Tales of Symphonia, I'm stumped on what to do with the themes part. I know the game is based on Norse Mythology but I can't ref it, so should it be removed completely?

Also I think Tales of Symphonia: The Animation should be merged to Tales of Symphonia since it only provides information not really useful at all and could be summed up in one sentence;"The animation holds many differences from the game"

One last one;List of characters in Tales of Symphonia, I'm still reffing the page but looking for ways to improve this article even more. I can't seem to find a website that gives reception to the characters though.DragonZero (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If the themes can't be sourced, then yes, it should be removed. If you think it might be sourceable eventually, maybe move to the talk page and note that sources are needed before it can be added back. I would also agree that The Animation should be merged to the main article, similar as what was done with Tales of the Abyss where the anime section covers a summary of the anime airing, releases, and theme music, linking off to the episode list. Unfortunately, character reception information tends to be the hardest to find. Maybe check Gamespot's review? They usually do at least give some over all character reception stuff in their longer reviews. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If I'm done merging, how do I put up the article for deletion?DragonZero (talk) 01:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. When merging, you need to use an edit summary noting that you have merged to article or from article, then the merged article should be redirected to its target. For example, when the merge here is done, Tales of Symphonia: The Animation should be redirected to Tales of Symphonia. For a proper merge, the appropriate content needs to be merged, such as the theme music information, and hopefully adding basic episode list (release dates, titles). Also, the image should not be merged, as it does not have any significant difference from the game image. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Blood+ light novel volume 3
I noticed you took out 終章 Shū Shō out of volume 3. It's there in the Japanese version, but in the english version it is left unmarked. Should it be left in? Grapeofdeath (talk) 06:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...not sure. I guess it could be left in with a note that its only in the Japanese version. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've put up a small note that matches the styles I've seen in other articles.
 * Also, just to let you know, it seems volume 4 of the manga had a misprint and we have no idea now when it will be released:
 * http://www.popcultureshock.com/manga/index.php/news/manga-news/dark-horse-recalls-blood-plus-vol-4/ Grapeofdeath (talk) 17:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well pooh! Though I still haven't read vol 3 for some reason. Liking the novels more. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Log in question
I'm a fairly new member of Wikipedia and I've seen you around a few times so I thought I'd ask you since I can't find an answer anywhere on the guideline and other info pages. I'm interested in starting to translate english articles to swedish, my native tongue, but it seems I can't log in on the swedish Wiki. My question is, do I have to create an account for each language Wiki or is there a way to keep only one account? Akke Bandvagn 14:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Seeing that AnmaFinotera usually does not edit around this time and because I am a great talk-page stalker, I replied for her on your talk page. ;-) Regards  So Why  14:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, thanks. As SoWhy noted, you can try to set up a Global Account. As long as no one is using your username anywhere else, should work fine. Once you set it up, you usually have to log off and log back in to have it log you in across the board. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

AnimeSuki
Hello AnmaFinotera, I may have misinterpreted your remarks, in the edit summary, at AnimeSuki when you reverted my edit. But before I get, my panties tied-up in a bunch I figured I ask you how a reference from Fortune (magazine) is considered minor? Thanks ShoesssS Talk 20:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It was a one-line mention, not a major story. That is minor coverage, not significant coverage, no matter which magazine or publication it is in. Fortune goes and does a full article purely on AnimeSuki, that's significant coverage. Them dropping the name in one sentence is not. (Also noted this in the AfD, as have others) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Astro Boy
There's a fact tag at the end of the article's plot section. Shouldn't it be taken off since the plot doesn't need refs? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No. The plot does not need references, however "The stories explored issues of morality, responsibility, racism, prejudice, heroism, and loss." is not plot summary, but interpretation, so it either should be removed or sourced. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, took it off. BTW, been meaning to ask you about this. Do you think the article would be better off without a nihongo template? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. If it has no Japanese name, no need for the nihongo. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Cerberus
I am not vandalizing the page. In Episode 15 of CCS, Cerberus is nicknamed Chau by a little girl. I do not know how to cite sources however. --220.233.183.183 (talk) 05:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That isn't a nickname, its a one time name given in a single episode because she didn't know his name, and its only in the anime. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

In doubt

 * Here's some cited information that was once on "Earth (Dragon Ball)":



Toriyama himself has admitted to lack of forethought or planning when it comes to the details of the story, which accounts for some of the strange occurrences.


 * I would very much like to add it to Dragon Ball, but don't know where or how exactly to put it. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably the production section, and maybe note that In later interviews, Toriyama noted that he didn't plan out the details of the story, resulting in strange occurrences and discrepancies later in the series. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Under which paragraph should it be? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd go with somewhere in the third paragraph, since that mentions his creating of the fictional settings. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I did a few things. Couldn't figure out what size to put for the map image. Would you like to try something out? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Is the image really even necessary? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see why not. It is the official atlas of the series. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * After this is taken care of, can you take a look at the infobox at Spider-Man: Friend or Foe? I'm unsure now if references are necessary in there. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it being official makes it more necessary to understanding the series, really. But can be discussed later if/when it ever goes for FA ;) For the Spider-man article, no, refs should almost never be used in an infobox. The contents of the infobox should already be sourced in the article, particularly the release dates and platforms. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ace Ventura Jr: Pet Detective appears to have the same problem. Or is it ok for movies? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That entire reference should be removed. IMDB is not WP:RS. But yeah, same thing, refs should not be needed in the infobox, and in this case its definitely not needed. Seems like someone just went nuts with refs attempting to make it appear notable. I went ahead and cleaned that one, using search/replace off site. Blech...that was just insane! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Seeking your opinion
Greetings. I know you work hard maintaining the various film articles, so I turn to you...and one or two others... for advice and/or an opinion on an extremely long ongoing discussion over on the WALL-E article's talk page. In a nutshell, there are a few editors who feel that one minor character (who is on-screen for maybe a minute at most) needs to be described as looking similar to another character, yet not one other character has a physical description listed in the article, including the main characters or other non-background-only minor characters. In full disclosure, my stance is of the description being unnecessary for article comprehension. I didn't see anything specific in MOS:FILM that addresses this specific point. Would you mind taking a few minutes (or more, we've been rather wordy) and share what you think? Thank you. SpikeJones (talk) 04:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry I'm late in answering, but I've left my view there. The section doesn't belong nor does the entire cast section, really. It doesn't meet any of MOS:FILM's ideas of what an actual cast section should be. Its almost all plot summary, so the voices should just be moved into the plot section. I am curious as to how that article passed GA, though maybe it was in better shape then. It fails both the general MOS and the Film MoS, and is lacking in sourcing in some areas. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for joining in the conversation and offering your guidance. What some (including myself, especially as my analogies became more outrageous as the discussion went on) have deemed an overly silly conversation, the only difference in your opinion and the stance I took throughout the discussion was that I was focused on one sentence being unnecessary, while you support removing the section entirely. At least we're on the same side, overall. You, of course, being more concise. The end result should be the same, now that more interested eyeballs are looking at the article, of bringing the piece back to the GA status it had back in June. Thanks again, cheers! SpikeJones (talk) 03:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Naruto
Before asking for any copy-edit, do you think some parts need fixes?Tintor2 (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How far into the series does the plot summary cover so far? I can't see any need for the Vol 28 cover in the article. I also don't see what the cosplay image adds, but that's probably something to discuss on the talk. I can't see any really major issues though. It should be ready for a copy edit and a B class review. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The plot summary goes until volume 44, which is the lastest. I tried to skip the battles against Akatsuki and all deaths happening there.Tintor2 (talk) 13:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, should be fine for now (though why skip the battles/deaths if they are major character deaths?) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The Cain Saga
Hey AnmaFinotera, I was wondering if you'd like to have a look at The Cain Saga and see if you can figure it out any better than I could... it's pretty confusing. *is still dazed* @_@ — Dino guy  1000  23:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh my.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Japanese was off. It said "Hakushaku Kain Shirīzu" "Hakushaku Cain Series"... I'm assuming it's mostly about "Hakushaku Cain" so I removed the "Series" part.


 * LOL Yeah I saw the same. I'm like, huh? "Shirīzu"? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol it looks like somebody just copied the Japanese page and was like "Oh that means Hakushaku Cain"... Moo   cows   rule 01:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I never bothered to check the Japanese... the English alone was enough for me. =P — Dino guy  1000  18:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, such fun fun series! From my understanding, The Cain Saga is the English release of Count Cain (why ANN has those separately...I have no idea - they need to fix that). Its a five volume series. Godchild is the eight volume sequel. Without a reliable source, I'd dump most of that stuff in the lead attempting to explain why the sequel is a sequel instead of the same series. It seems to mostly be copy/pasted from ANN :P --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * that's about the same conclusion I came to... the series overall is known as The Cain Saga, but the first part was specifically licensed and released under that name, whereas it's also known as Count Cain or Earl Cain, and the second part of the series is called Godchild. Wow, I explained that far simpler than I thought I would! — Dino guy  1000  18:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL "Hakushaku Kain Shirīzu" Did they even bother to put it through an online translator or anything? I like online translators, they're hilarious, sometimes i'll translate something I think will come out funny. I translated Karakuridoji Ultimo and it came out as "Machine Skill Baby Ultimo". Once I tried to trans the Korean Naruto title and it came out as "Ferry point toe". :P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The translations I got for the kanji for Happy Birthday were hilarious. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What were they. :D –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Something like Ask I you birthday blah blah. I converted the kanji to an image so can't recheck it now. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen a word challenge (In Reader's Digest or something) where they took a famous phrase, translated it with an online translator through about four or five languages back to English, and challenged the reader to identify the original phrase. Some of those translations were absolutely twisted... =P — Dino guy  1000  18:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo
How do you think i'm doing so far on the page? I'm thinking about whether it's ready for a B-class or not. : D If it is, I will post it up for a review (however you do that). :-Þ  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't be a "background" section, just production. Not sure the press event is even relevant, but can wait for others to weigh in there. The SJ image is completely unnecessary and fails WP:NONFREE. It adds nothing to the article but decoration. Japanese references need "language=Japanese" added to their cite tags. Needs a lead rewrite and a copyedit, and refs can go to two cols. There are several places where I'm seeing what appears to be reference overload. Why do direct quotes need five and six references? Only one is needed. Also, per the MoS, most of those quotes should be worked into the text rather than called out like that, though most don't really seem to be necessary at all. You got a little happy with the quote box, and you've gone a little nuts with the refs. There is one line with TEN references! Seriously, there is a such thing as over referencing. :-P If one reliable source can reference the whole sentence, just use one, at most two. Looking better though. When all that's dealt with, can look at having it reassessed to see if its at B class and going through a peer review. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For what? Nothing wrong with enthusiasm :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I will work on the page more. : D It will be at a B-class in no time and I will use your constructive critisism to help the article.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

How does it look now. A huge fixer upper.  J U M P G U R U  ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Better :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What does "launguage=Japanese" go after? "url="? Or does it not matter. : )  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 05:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter. I usually put it before accessdate, just for consistency :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Good job on Karakuridoji! But shouldn't it be "Karakuridōji Ultimo"? I've always seen VIZ titles romanized in the Hepburn system, even though they're published with circumflexes...
 * I'm pretty distracted right now. I'm having a one way Japanese chat (they keep talking to me) with somebody, and I have NO idea what they're saying... Too much Kanji... They insist on adding "ww" after EVERYTHING they say and it's getting on my nerves. (w is the Japanese equivalent of LOL, its short for "warau" "laugh smile". AND THIS GUY IS ANNOYING ME!!!) Moo   cows   rule 05:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they're just pounding on a Japanese keyboard to annoy me... Moo   cows   rule 05:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * About List of Vampire Knight episodes, shouldn't we add a DVD release list? Moo   cows   rule 06:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really...it isn't particularly necessary at this point. Eventually, it will, but doubt there are that many right now? I'll take a look though and add if there are. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So far there are (drumroll, please) 4. The fifth one is to be released this month (if it hasn't already). Moo   cows   rule 06:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * All five are out covering the first season. I'm adding the section now. And done... -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In the logo they spell the title as Karakuridôji Ultimo, so that seems pretty good.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 19:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Kinda' funny. Some people think I don't know Japanese becuase they will ask me to translate the Japanese on something. I try but it has away too much Kanji. : P  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 22:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo is ready!! I've fixed everything to perfection. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * About Karakuridoji Ultimo: It's spelled that way in English or in Japanese? Why don't we use the circumflexes over the Naruto names? We should at least be consistent... Moo   cows   rule 00:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The official English spelling is Karakuridôji Ultimo. Therefore we use that, if it wasn't released in America yet I would call it Karakuridōji Ultimo. About Naruto names, those are the official English names, therefore we use those. In the Nihongo template we add the accents. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I was told not to use them for some silly reason (something about how Wikipedia uses Hepburn and in Hepburn they use macrons rather than circumflexes, all a bunch of *MOOCOW* ). Moo   cows   rule 01:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * We use the official English name. Karakuridôji Ultimo is unusual in that it is one of the few seasons where any sort of symbols are kept. Narutos official English name is Naruto, with no macrons nor circumflexes. Its up to the English licensor and we can't really control what they do, or don't, do with the names. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk ·' contribs) 01:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I meant the Naruto characters... Naruto's name has no macrons or circumflexes in it... Moo   cows   rule 02:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Same issue...if they aren't used in the English release, we don't use them here. They should only be in the romaji area of the nihongo templates, and that's it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean in the VIZ manga, the circumflexes are used. Moo   cows   rule 03:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If the circumflexes are used in the Viz Manga, they should be used here as those are the official names. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

XD I feel like such a Wikistalker... I has both yours and JumpGuru's talk pages in my browser favorites XDDDD Moo   cows   rule 07:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think about Phantom Dream? How did it escape deletion??? Moo   cows   rule 07:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Technically, if its licensed and a longer running series, it shouldn't be deleted as it meets N. Its an absolutely hideous stub, though. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't saying delete it, I was saying How did it escape deletion? Moo   cows   rule 07:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Same way many do...no one noticed it. It was created November 20th and hasn't been touched since. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh SURE but MINE didn't? XD it was pretty crappy... Moo   cows   rule 07:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think We Are. should be moved to "We are." considering that's what it's stylized as? I mean it doesn't have to be capitalized... Moo  cows   rule 19:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian music
I dunno if you've seen this film, but it's got some really cool music to it... I think my two favorite songs from it are The Call by Regina Spektor and This Is Home by Switchfoot. That's got to be some of the best film music I've heard for awhile now... ^_^ — Dino guy  1000  18:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen it yet, but mean to rent it. I know the first had some great music, especially the inspired by CD :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen it either, but I like "The Call" by Regina Spektor... That's a good song! Moo   cows   rule 06:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Not my taste in music. My favorite band is Fallout Boy. :D (Just kidding) Nah, my favorite music is Orange Range, Home Made Kazoku, M.C.U., and Black. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Preparing for a possible future FA
Hello, I am here to ask you about your work on Tokyo Mew Mew and it's recent promotion to FA. Since I know nothing about the series, I would like to know if the plot section is concise, in that does it describe the entire story's plot? I'm probably going to get ready for an FA promotion of Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl after I rewrite much of it's content. First I was going to rewrite the plot and remove the character section as is in TMM, but I needed to know if I had to write a concise summary or not (which is not a problem as I've read the entire series). Thanks, and any help on the promotion would be appreciated. I'll be mainly studying for finals for the next week, though, so I don't expect to get any real work done on it until a week from today or so.--  十  八  03:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Tokyo Mew Mews plot is concise while describing all of the major points of the plot, start to finish, of both the main series and the sequel. :) I think its important for an FA run that the plot does include the beginning, major points, and the end to meet the completeness requirements. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk ·' contribs) 03:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I believe I did my best at a concise summary. Now I need an opinion on the "series chronology" and "differences between media" sections, both of which don't appear in the TMM article. I'm concerned that I'd have to remove them for being OR despite being sourced. I've seen "differences between media" sections in articles before, so I thought that was fine, but I was also concerned that only primary sources from the manga appear in that section. Mainly, I feel I'd probably have to remove the "series chronology" section for being OR, but I wasn't sure since the content is sourced with the manga. What is your opinion on these two sections?--  十  八  08:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd agree that the series chronology should be removed. Its opening line makes it fairly clear that it is OR as it is "extrapolated by taking advantage of canonical references from the manga and the well-defined structure of the Japanese school year" i.e. combining to make new info. The differences section should be under the plot, and is fine as long as it is well sourced. We didn't put one in TMM because the differences between the manga and the first part of the anime were relatively minor (mostly just adding in way events), and specific character differences are noted in the character list. There may be differences in the latter part, but no sources were found discussing them since the anime wasn't fully released in English in most places. The main thing is to keep if fairly brief (overall differences rather than many specifics), and well sourced, with as many third party sources as possible unless its something blatantly obvious that can be sourced to a manga chapter and its corresponding episode. Hope that helps some :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've dealt with that. Do you think that the last paragraph in the lead about the series' title should be moved to the production section?--  十  八  01:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it probably should, though it might also need some sourcing? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

"Gong"gratulations!
Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads up
The rangeblock I put in place for our mutual friend is set to expire in a few days. Since I've had to exempt one person from it (though I think that was due to a misunderstanding), I'd prefer the block lapse and we wait to see if he comes back. Have any accounts cropped up over the last month? Do you think he will be back? Protonk (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, several named socks have shown up. He apparently also now has access to a mobile IP. See discussion from my talk and the last AN/I thread for the details on the last one and some checks done. I'll no longer be watching for him or dealing with it at all, so he may have been back since then and probably will continue to return until he gets bored. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I can understand your frustration.  I'll let the rangeblocks lapse and keep an eye out at AN/I for this guy. Protonk (talk) 00:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo review for B-class
The article is ready. Now what do you think? O_ō I perfected everything, any suggestions before the review? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A few errors (mostly spelling). Moo   cows   rule 01:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL that was a direct quote from Stan Lee that I directly copied from the website! \(>o<)/ –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If it is misspelled in the source, it should be left (add [sic] after it to note that the misspelling is from the source}. When uploading images from Amazon, make sure to remove the white space, as it stretches out the infobox. I've fixed this one. Should be ready for a peer review. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually it was spelled right. Anyway, let's review it. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo was assessed, but accuracy and coverage failed and it did not pass for B. What am I supposed to do about coverage? I thought that was done. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Goodraise left a hidden note about it, which I do have to agree with. Is it a series or a one-shot or a single chapter. The article needs to make this clearer. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I fixed it. It's a B now. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I wish I gave that award to you now rather than on thanksgiving. I put a ton of work into Ultimo and actually got it to a B-class. With your help you shown me earlier, I think I can do it again. I just started revamping Chōjū-giga, the first work of manga from the 12th century. Thank you. : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome :) Now, go for a peer review to aim for GA! *grin* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's already for GA? : S –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 19:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello? : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * YŌ? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I do actually leave my computer now and then you know :P...you can always check my contribs to see if I'm around. I just got back online and am trying to catch up here....-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I said put it under Peer Review to see if its ready to try for GA (and see what fixes may be needed before trying for it). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How do you do that? :D –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Follow the instructions at WikiProject Anime and manga/Peer review and make sure to note it in the News page using the existing format :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait. Been doing a lot of stuff this weekend. Anyway, I just peer reviewed Ultimo just so you know. : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Tokyo Mew Mew chapters
Hi AnmaFinotera,

Congrats on getting List of Tokyo Mew Mew chapters up to FL status!

Two down, two to go! :)

Regards,

<font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 17:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) I'm attempting to work on the character list now. The episode list will, I think, be the hardest because I don't even have access to the eps to watch to do the summaries, and never got to see the entire anime series. *doh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I could probably help with the summaries... I still have them somewhere (But there is still a lot of work to do on the T&A, and I have not had a lot of time lately). The alternative would be condensing the old summaries, they were quite comprehensive. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 20:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't happen to have a convenient link to those? *grin* If they are comprehensive and accurate, I can work on redoing them down instead of having to *ahem* acquire the episodes through other means -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Here:) <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 20:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

How do you mark user pages for deletion?
I recently began a thread here concerning the irregularities going on at User:Holtth. It seems discussion has died down, so I'm guessing the next best step is to have the page deleted. How do I do that? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You would need to nominate it for WP:MfD as a violation of WP:UP and detail what parts it violates. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll look into it later. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

About Phantom Dream
How'd you get the romanization for "幻影夢想"? I thought you didn't know Japanese... moo cows  rule 02:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Saw it on ANN. moo  cows  rule 02:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I also use a converter, when I need to, then leave it to experts to fix any minor errors there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry 'bout the edit thing -.-
 * About that converter, I usually don't trust it because it's not always right...
 * I put "今日は" (Konnichiwa, Hello) in, and it came out with "Kyō wa" (this day), which could be correct, but that's not what I was looking for. I'd trust the humans more than the machines... moo  cows  rule 05:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't always "right" as it doesn't use macrons at all, but its a "close enough" in the absence of knowing Japanese. :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well you don't need macrons... >.>
 * I like Kunrei-shiki more than Hepburn... because its just cooler than Hepburn :P moo  cows  rule 06:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For Wikipedia purposes, we use Hepburn with the macrons. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I know we use macrons on here... and Hepburn, but I just prefer to use Kunrei-shiki... THAT IS ALL I WAS SAYING :D moo  cows  rule 01:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Chess? Nobody has played so far... and it's getting boring waiting... moo  cows  rule 03:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you list it at WP:FUN? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll try it there... moo cows  rule 03:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Dragonball (film)
Is the name of the film Dragonball Evolution or Dragonball? Anime News Network is using Evoultion for the title.Tintor2 (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is this whole "Evolution" thing coming from? Has an official trailer already been released? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen an official source use Evolution yet, though people have pointed to a few YouTube trailers (uploaded by fans) supposedly showing its title is now Dragonball Evolution. So far it seems more unconfirmed rumor than anything else. I've put in a move protection for now, as there seems no actual reliable source that its title has changed. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Help for user page
You know where it says on people's pages like 'This is user is a fan of ____', is there a way to see some sort of list of those anywhere and what is the official term for them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killa Koz (talk • contribs) 20:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean userboxes (like the ones on the left side of my user page)? If so, you can find a pretty comprehensive list of the boxes, broken down into categories, at: Userboxes. For anime and manga boxes, Userboxes/Anime and manga. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes that's what I'm talking about, thank you! Killa Koz (talk) 21:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

"Evolution"
For Dragonball (film),. Should be enough, now I'll put the edits back up. -DarthBotto —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC).


 * No, it is not. AGAIN find a reliable source, not an image, not a video, and join the talk page discussion. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Napoleonic triple crown
Your Imperial Napoleonic Majesty, outstanding work! Especially on Featured topics/Meerkat Manor - impressive. Cirt (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
So now you're trying to remove pictures I have put up? Elaborate please. Killa Koz (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For the DB image, it is very clearly marked with IGN's watermark. This makes them very inappropriate for use on this site. They cannot be used under a valid fair use claim. The other is an image you uploaded twice, so one should be deleted. I figured you'd forgotten to tag the larger image yourself. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

3RR
You seems to have violated 3RR rule on Dragonball (film) article. What should I do: block you for 24 hours or not? Ruslik (talk) 09:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See talk page. Hopefully that will end this exchange. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 09:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How? 3 were content reverts, two were people putting in non-existent images breaking the infobox (which I reverted as image-related vandalism) - vandalism is not part of 3RR from my understanding. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * After reviewing your reverts I came to a conclusion that all of them were content reverts. The two reverts that you labeled as vandalism reverts were in fact content reverts too. And all images do exist (at time I am writing this). So, please, stop edit warring. I now have no intention to block you (the page is protected anyway), but next time I (or another admin) may not be so generous. Ruslik (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you check the timestamps, at least one of those images was uploaded way after the revert because I did check before reverting. It was a big red link. He didn't upload until after the second time it was revert while I was leaving him a warning. See first edit done at 15:11, second at 15:17- image uploaded at 15:18 while I was finishing leaving the warning-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (response to Ruslik0) Re-review those reverts, then. The image Image:Dragonballevolutionfull.jpg lacked both a license and a fair use rationale, making  it a blatant violation of Wikipedia's policies on the use of non-free content.  You'll find that a reverting the addition of such violating media – as AnmaFinotera did here – is an exception to the three-revert rule.  As such, it's quite clear that AnmaFinotera has not violated 3RR.  -- Skarl 20:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So those reverts were not in fact reverts of vandalism, as edit summaries suggested? In this case AnmaFinotera should have said this directly instead labeling them as vandalism. Ruslik (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The first two were vandalism. As noted in the links, the image did NOT exist at the time I reverted him, making it appear as if here replacing the infobox image with a redlink. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You should understand that I do not usually have time to conduct a full investigation. I noticed that you reverted five times. While two reverts were labeled as vandalism, they did not appear to be such. So, if I were more trigger happy (or not in such a good mood), I could simply have blocked you 24 hours. Do you think I would have been right? So I advise you to use better edit summaries, especially if you are going to fill a request for full protection. Ruslik (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My original request was filed before all of that. But because I added it to the move request, it was archived without being responded to, so I refiled. And no, I don't think you would have been right as, at the time I reverted, it was vandalism as the image did not exist. I can't be expected to read his mind and know that 7 minutes later he would get around to actually uploading his images (which in-themselves are not appropriate for use and do not even have valid information summaries). Particularly for an editor whose editing history seems lacking in quality and validity. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandalism, a part of 3RR? That's just stupid, so we're limited to helping pages get rid of vandalism!? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard! –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Reverting the same type of unconstructive change several times should not constitute as vandalism. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd be funny if a vandal made that rule up. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 19:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually AnmaFinotera. I typed in the website name that appeared on the uploded image and it ended up with the 20th website. Just by that i'm thinking that the name is Dragonball: Evolution too. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 20:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I never actually questioned whether its going to be called Dragonball: Evolution or not. I, along with others, simple requested that it be verifiable by Wikipedia standards before we go moving the article, replacing images, and redoing the text. Hence my including the note as an apparently failed attempt to stop the newer editors from jumping the gun on the basis of, at the time, sketchy and inconclusive evidence. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI
I've started an ANI thread on Pixelface's latest not-quite-3RR revert cycle on WP:WAF and WP:NOT, in case the fact you reverted twice (in addition to mine) may come up. --M<font size="-3">ASEM 07:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I spotted and am adding my own points. I really hope something is done this time...his continued attacks against long standing policies and guidelines are getting down right ridiculous at this point, and causing a lot of disruption. I doubt I'm the only editor to finally just stop reading a bunch of them in disgust. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured list removal candidates/List of True Tears episodes
See this mess. Nominator needs some trout smacking, but he claims G.A.S told him that an episode list isn't a list and needs to prove notability. I can't find this discussion anywhere, and I'm fairly convinced he either drastically misconstrued G.A.S's words in a discussion or G.A.S made a trout-worthy action also (99% sure it's the former, but you never know :D). In any case, help in sorting this out would be appreciated. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 09:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow...what on earth?? Glad he's already withdrawn it. I'm guessing he misunderstood something. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Superhero film
On here, there's a strange image for the movie "Krrish", which was apparently 'created' by the uploader. Can you check it out ? I think the licensing is all wrong. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd agree. It should be removed and nominated for deletion as a clear copyright violation. Its a fan made image using non-free images of a living person. Multiple fair use violations there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Think I can just speedy it with db-imagevio. That'll save me some work, but what do you think? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Should be able to, just note in the details that its a self-admitted fan made image using copyrighted materials. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Kare Kano cleanup
I don't disagree with the cleanup in general -- it's been on my list of things to get back to for a while -- but you managed to whack a couple of references (for release and broadcast dates) along the way. Maybe a little more care? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I got the urge to start working on it last night, but then my cold beat me and I had to leave it part way through. I'll work on it some more today and hopefully find a better air date ref and stuff. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, what with T-pop's wretched new website, getting pub dates straight from them is danged hard now. I think the individual volume pages from ANN will have to do. Hakusensha's volumes are usually easy to date, at least. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah...that new site seriously sucks monkey wad. Blech. I had found a page with the actual publication dates again...but now I can't remember where and on what article I used it. Will work on it today since I'm home sick :) Feel free to hack/attack my attempt at tweaking the plot until someone can really work on it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooo...Animefringe's December 2002 issue had a nice spread on Kare Kano. On the next page is one for Fruits Basket if you haven't already seen it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Er, no I hadn't. That's a useful addition to the collection. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and also speaking of Furuba, there's this. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WOW! That would be so cool...though expensive. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And it's the other translation, too, so you can triangulate. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL...that would take far more time than I have ;) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Love Hina


Is there more going on at Love Hina than is immediately apparent? I see reverts labelled as reverts of vandalism for superficially good faith edits. CIreland (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * He is vandalizing the article by removing valid sourced content that he just doesn't agree with. He initially did this under two IPs, then registered an account purely to continue these actions. He is now also reverting the undos of his vandalism as vandalism. A report was made to the project requesting help to deal with the vandalism, which is how I got involved. I filed an AN/I and RPP, but he's apparently feeling extra active at the moment. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's worth noting he was also told to take it up with the project if he disagreed with the content but ignored the advice. The section needs improving, not the removal of valid citations. There is no attempt to discuss it on their part at all, and the arguements for the removal of the information are his personal opinion and not consensus. the edits are not to the benefit of the article and so are being treated as vandalism. Additionally the reasons for removing the text has varied between edits. originally it was claimed ANN as a whole wasn't a valid source, despite it being used in dozens of high quality articles. i find it ironic they are trying to suggest that the text does not meet wikipedia standards, when they clearly don't understand basic procedures and the accepted way of doing things and makes no attempt to learn. Thanks for looking after the 'technical stuff" Dandy Sephy (talk) 06:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. There's nothing inherently wrong with an anon editor registering an account when they decide to make edits; that's how most of us got started. However, he is way over 3RR. I'll give him a 3RR warning. Could you indulge me and not use automated edit summaries for these kind of reversions. If you could also post something on the talk page about ANN and reliable sources that would be helpful. If there are links to previous discussions pop those in too, especially if they are at obsure project pages. CIreland (talk) 06:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, ANN being RS is on the very front of the Anime and manga project page because those not familiar with the anime/manga realm requested we post that clarification to help with FA/FL/GA reviews and source checking. :) Meanwhile, he has filed a retaliatory AN/I against me. I'm somewhat amused. Interesting for a "new" editor... -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Assuming good faith on the part of the editor, a new editor would be unlikely to be aware of the existence of Wikiprojects and even if they were, would be unlikely to understand their role - which is why I think that note on the article talk page is the best approach when such a dispute arises. CIreland (talk) 06:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * At least all this got him to actually talk on the talk page rather than keep reverting, to which I have responded. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Made my day
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Jack Merridew has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, Go on smile! Cheers, and Happy editing!=) Cheers! Jack Merridew 12:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * Thanks and welcome back! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's good to be back; note that I've not been far off, I've been busy. I have kept an eye on things here. Terima kasih, Jack Merridew 02:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, you have been busy! :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist chapters
Concerning your comment from the FLC, I replied it yesterday, could you check it?Tintor2 (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Responded there.Tintor2 (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ouch. : (
Today I went to a anime club in a public library. Somewhere said that it encouraged lively conversation however, it was an elderly Mr. Rogers looking african american guy and another nerdy guy who were both talking about Peach Girl with the opening contents to a Fruits Basket DVD projected on the screen. They were both facing towards the door, so when you walk in they're going, "Hi Friends!" Utterly frightened I slowly walked out the door and in no time bolted out of the library altogether. It was very uncomfortable, when I asked for directions to the anime club, it almost seemed like they were trying to hold back from laughing at me. : P Being stuffed in a small room with two nerds wasn't what I pictured as lively conversation. Has anything similare happened to you? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ouch. Nothing like this has happened to me... Not yet D: moo  cows  rule 01:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I like how you respnd before AnmaFinotera! :-D –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol yea. I'm a wikistalker D: moo  cows  rule 03:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought there was a page about wikistalking? I have AnmaFinotera and your page in my watchlist so I can stop vandalism... And respond quicker than the user who the talk page concerns :P moo  cows  rule 03:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean Wikistalking? It's a redirect to Harassment though. : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello AnmaFinotera, you know, this is on your talk page. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There used to be a page about it. It must have been redirected to "Harassment". It was about people who have other people's pages and talk pages on their watchlists. moo  cows  rule 03:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Plus it was humorous... not like actual stalking and stuff.. moo  cows  rule 03:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the page y'all are looking for is WP:TPS. Now...for folks having convos on other folks talk page.... :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol yea that was the one. moo  cows  rule 03:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I sent the message to you AnmaFinotera. : P Did you read it? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, and no, but I don't do things like anime clubs (or really any kind of clubs). I'm not a particularly social person and I'm generally "too old" to likely feel welcome there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You think YOU'RE too old? "it was an elderly Mr. Rogers looking african american guy". moo  cows  rule 03:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah...but how is elderly defined :P (and I live in a college town, so only anime club I know of is on campus) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

(deindent) Usually elderly is like over 50... moo cows  rule 04:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

* chimes in while he waits for mania.com to actually load in order to get some references*. I think in this day and age the typical western anime club is becoming more and more redundant. Anime is much more plentiful, much easier and much cheaper to get then it was 5 years ago, never mind 10years ago. I'm not even talking about fansubs, thats just the dvds. A few years ago I used to go to LAC 6+months a year, and even then it was pretty much showing fansubs of stuff that was already licensed (or even on sale in the uk at the time!). However I think the main reason people still went was a)it was in a pub and b)the main specialist anime dvd/merchandise retailers companys sold stuff there. I don't think there would be any attraction for watching the shows in a small room without such added attractions. University campus? I suspect they still have their role to play, but not a public enviroment Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (ECx2) Yeah, but that doesn't mean that's what JumpGuru considers elderly LOL Dandy points out another reason I've never had much interest in anime clubs. Its usually either fansubs, often licensed once (which I strongly disapprove of), or other series which I can just rent myself. Companies don't really support clubs with preview discs and stuff anymore, so no benefits there. I'm pretty much happy to sit alone and enjoy watching (and at times yelling at) series, rather than attempting to watch with others and getting annoyed by their commentary :-P Man, last night I watched the first volume of Texhnolyze....I'm still asking myself WTF I watched. :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, sometimes feedback is good, but I agree I'd not want it for most of my viewing. I remember when Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu was airing, and I purposely took charge of the room that was showing it at Ayacon because it's pantswettingly funny. The entire room (50+ people) errupted with laughter during the bicycle chase, it felt good :) Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, the first disc of Full Metal Panic! is actually the next one up in my Netflix queue. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The guy had gray hair and wrinkly skin, so to me that means elderly. (at Dandy Sephy) If you want to see something really funny see this YouTube video. It's a trailer to a movie. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WTF WAS THAT? "Freaky Flickers the Movie"??? moo  cows  rule 20:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Evidently that's a real movie! Check out the website. O_O moo  cows  rule 20:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hahahaha. I wanna buy it on DVD! \(>o<)/ AnmaFinotera, watch the video I posted on my previous comment! –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 20:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Fairy Tail members
Warned User:Gune. No need for you to continue reverting; just alert me if he continues to edit war. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 04:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do and thanks. :) Hopefully it didn't chase off the helpful IP. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Was beaten to the punch. Send me a message if this flares up again though. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 06:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:List of Vampire Knight episodes
See the inc-up template. It's pretty self-explanatory. We're still updating the list until the season finishes. As for the Amazon.com link, it's still the original publisher, regardless of language, so the "language=Japanese" is sufficient. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 22:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay...but if you have Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk, language wouldn't help at all. That's one reason I pipe... -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * But that's not the case here, right? ;-) — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 00:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tsukihime
Truth be told, I only have Tsukihime on my watchlist to revert IPs or other editors from adding in the Mirror Moon fan translation; I've never even played the game, or seen the anime, and don't particularly like Type-Moon works as it is. That said, I support the merger, and I don't think there'll be a problem with it.--  十  八  23:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, I'll tag it. The anime was pretty good, but I've never played any visual novel games. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If the reaction from 4chan's /jp/ is any indication, the visual novel pwns the anime so badly, there's an old meme where one asks "What Tsukihime anime?" when the anime comes up in a topic.--  十  八  23:22, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, yeah, I seem to remember some vague remarks along that line during the whole copyright link fiasco a few months ago.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The anime was a bit of a letdown. Expected big things and then it crashed in the end. Merging is best in any case. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 00:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

If you are proposing a merge with the anime, it might be worth inserting a small section for the Melty Blood series of games. I received the arcade version of Act Cadenza a few days ago and most/all of the characters are from the visual novel, although I can't comment on the story line as its in japanese of course. Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Odd the article doesn't already mention it beyond one mention in a character description. Though not surprising as both articles need a lot of work. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

B class yet?
After having gotten this to this state, is it time to get a rereview of the B-class checklist? There's still things to do, of course (decant reviews into Reception, source the games, document the plethora of soundtracks, and finish the chapter ranges by volume) but it looks to me like most of the major bits are there for a full B. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, talk about a major expansion! Yay! I think a review would be good. Its either B or a very high C. I think Reception is supposed to go under Media though? :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "A" review? I've already collected several (see the talk page) with only a cursory g-search. As for those sections, I can never remember without checking which way we moved things. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean a "b class review" :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * D'oh. Right. (Me, obsessed much?) You up for doing one? Since I've been doing a bunch of heavy lifting, I think I'm disqualified. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll give it a whirl :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And finally did it! :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay thanks. Yeah, there's probably more production information, but that's all I've come across in English -- I've bids out to translate/summarize/distill the available interviews in Japanese. Though, let me get this straight -- if someone add to a manga volume list the chapters, it becomes less complete? —Quasirandom (talk) 17:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Because the manga list is in the article but doesn't have summary, it makes the article less complete. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * But if the chapters hadn't been mentioned, so it's just the dates/ISBNs, you wouldn't have said that? 03:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, as long as the actual table is there, I'd have said it. If it was just the dates and ISBNs it would have been more incompletely because it would also have been missing the chapters :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Are summaries of the manga volumes really needed to get it that last bit up to B? —Quasirandom (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think so, since it would be required on a chapter list. Feel free to ask for a third opinion though :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Archive?
I was thinking about archiving my talk page. But I don't know how D:. How do you archive? Plus, I don't want it to archive my Japanese art and the liposuction part, so how do you get it to not archive certain parts? Thanks! moo cows  rule  02:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There are several ways you can archive. See WP:ARCHIVE. I use an automated archiver, with some manual archiving as well. If you use an automated system, to avoid having certain parts archived, don't put dates on them, or transclude them from subpages. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

About Engadget
I felt it important to inform you personally that I have decided to "speedy keep"-close the AfD you started for Engadget and I have taken my time to add sources to the article. I hope you do not hold a grudge against me for doing so, as I think I was able to rectify the reasons why you listed it for deletion. As I would never assume you nominated the article out of WP:IDONTLIKEIT-reasons, I think improving the article was in your interest as well. I hope you have a nice day. Regards  So Why  14:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine...glad at least one person does. Half the time in an AfD if sources are found, they are still never actually added to the article, which makes me wonder what was the point of saying "look, here are some" if they can not (or won't be) used. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am glad that you are fine with this. I understand your concerns and I often wondered the same thing, but I guess everyone at the discussion perceives it as Somebody Else's Problem and in the end, noone does it. I try my best to make a difference but in the end, we all need to do it. I am happy it worked out in this case. Have a wonderful day :-)  So Why  14:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * True true...though sometimes I wish it were almost a requirement. If you say this is a source, use it in the article. There have been a few cases where the "claimed" sources turned out to be blatantly false, but people starting saying "keep" because just because someone had listed some sources and claimed they said this or that, when they didn't even mention the topic at all! *shaking head* Ah well, at least this one has been fixed up some :) Thanks. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Inspired by this case, I decided to write Somebody Else's Problem. You are welcome to add your thoughts, I think we should spread that thinking a bit ;-)  So Why  14:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it (though made a few minor tweaks, if that's okay :-) ) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I welcome it even, I forgot for example that "deletionist" is already a word that describes something and mistakenly used it, probably insulting people. ;-) Thanks for nay help with it :-)  So Why  16:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Jutsu (Naruto) overhaul
See here. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 17:09, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm...not sure how to respond as I'm not totally convinced it even needs an article of its own. Will look more later. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Engadget
Inre this diff. You have put your finger on the pulse of the problem. WP:AFD and WP:ATD do mot mandate that an article MUST be improved... only that if it "can" be improved it should not be sent to AfD. Perhaps a new caveat should be added to WP:AfD, indicating that "delete" opinions should show their work and process in making a determination of delete and not simply parrot other editors... and more importantly, that "keep" opinions should not only show their processes but have taken the time to themselves improve an article before opining "keep". Its somehing I often do even when voting delete.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm glad you always make an effort at improving articles, especially when voting keep :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Notability of the Enchantix article.
An article called Enchantix has been tagged "may not notable" since June 2008. Should it merged into Winx Club? -- JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 14:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Short answer is yes. Slightly longer (and possibly better) option, since almost none of the characters in that series are notable would be to move List of minor Winx Club characters to List of Winx Club characters and make that a "proper" episode list. Merge Enchantix there, then begin merge discussions to do the same for the individual character articles and The Trix. List of magical creatures in Winx Club should probably just be AfDed or redirected as its "monster of the week" type lists which I've yet to see upheld for actual merging. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Speaking of the character list, I created a test article based on the featured List of Naruto characters for the layout, about a month ago, located at User:JSH-alive/Sandbox/WC characters. Needs help for the contents though... -- JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 14:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like a pretty good start :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Will you help me? -- JSH-alive (talk)(cntrbtns)(mail me) 11:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I don't watch the show and I already have several big character lists I'm working on. I can help with discussions and some quick and dirty merging, but that's about it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks anyway. -- JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 12:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Shōnen Sekai
I created a new article. Shōnen Sekai, one of the first shōnen manga magazines. How do you like it, it's still a stub, instead of sourcing Google Book Preview, should I use the book itself? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 16:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the source should be to the book itself. You can use the URL field of cite book to include a link to the Google Book preview, if it shows the specific page being referenced. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. : ) Also the magazine's sister publication Shōjo Sekai has an article too. I was just recently questioning if any of those are reliable sources. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

All done, how does the article look now? : D Such a cool anthology. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 02:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not bad :) Not sure about the heading name "Shōnen Sekai media in the English language" but can't think of anything better at the moment. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah that's what I put on pages that have been mentioned/had media outside Japan but doesn't have a magazine of it's own in the U.S. LOL I can't think of a better title too, I was pretty screwed thinking of names. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Reply to comment
I actually found the amount of GAN quite odd. The original message (which did not fit in the edit summary) asked to have the news updated, and/or to have B checklist completed, as I was not sure whether anybody from the project noticed the nominations, and I doubted whether they were up to standard. (My internet access is very limited at the moment, so I could not do so myself.) The bot does a good job at maintaining the list, though; those nominations would have beeen hard to pick up otherwise:) <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 20:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No worried. Only reason I knew they were bad is because I happened to have Juhachi's talk page on my watch list after sending him a recent message. I did miss the DYK's though (wasn't sure if we were including them or not, but guess we should) :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In my defense, I wouldn't have added the GANs if I'd seen the discussion. Thanks for removing them for me, AnmaFinotera. As for the DYKs, I wasn't sure about them either, but I figure, we recognize major contributors to DYK-featured articles just as we do for GAs, FLs, and FAs, so why not list them on the news page as well? (of course, there's probably a million past DYKs not on the news page... =P ) That being said, we still need a comprehensive reference for wording news page items (the past discussion on changing wording is pretty good, but not all-inclusive). — Dino guy  1000  21:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think its a good idea. I mean we tag them for being DYKs and all, and they are noteworthy, I think. Do agree though, we need to come up with a wording, and maybe a link to the DYK archive? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Just verify the DYK's... there was(is?) a bug in the last week where the bot reported false positives. Listing dDYKs would be nice to have, though it might take an bit of efford to find and list old DYKs. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 21:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Very true, though, I wonder, do we really have that many? Hmmmm....and mild thread jack, but I'm almost done with the TMM episode summaries. One batch left to go. I'm a little concerned as to just how accurate they are, after actually watching on episode to clarify some vagueness, but they are at least more consistent now (except the long one). Any ideas on what, if anything, we should do about possible inaccuracies? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There are this many. I will have a look at the summaries as soon as I have a chance. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 07:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ps: I replied on the list's talk page. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 04:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw :) Being lazy today, but will work on fixing those issues and replying tomorrow. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The question is, though, what does that do about articles that have been merged/redirected/deleted, or DYK notices that have otherwise been removed (although I suppose we really don't need to worry too much about those, do we)? — Dino guy  1000  18:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignore them. The cost/benefit is too high. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 04:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference help
hey AnmaFinotera. i scanned a page and uploaded it for a reference. Please check the list of dragon ball characters page's most recent edits. I want to add a reference for a statement about Zarbon's character, a reference from Anime Insider magazine. I scanned the image but Sesshomaru reverted the edit saying that he was following your basis. He told me to ask you for further assistance. how else can i give a more reliable link...that is the only way I can think of showing the source. how can i show the source for the page with the information for the zarbon article without linking to the scanned image? should i link to the anime insider website? please help, as i have been trying to get that info into the section since last september. Zarbon (talk) 18:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Linking to your scan violates WP:COPYRIGHT. If the source is from Anime Insider magazine, you should use cite journal to actually reference that magazine, rather than attempting to link to a scan of the page. Make sure you include all relevant info such as article title, author, magazine cover date, page number, and of course magazine title. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * alright. I will try to do it with cite journal. - Zarbon (talk) 15:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have trouble, just give me a holler. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas
I am the you from the past. See, I don't have a signature stylization yet. XDDDDDDD –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Uh huh...that needs to be like fixed...cause that's bad...-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually that was me disguising myself as Moocowsrule disguising as you AnmaFinotera. Just a little joke. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um...okay...you must be bored today :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am. :-| *twinkle* –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait what? How were you disguising yourself as me? Happy Holidays! moo  cows  rule  02:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * HEY! NO COOLIOSIS D:.
 * Stop pretending to be moi! moo  cows  rule  03:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically just edited his signature after pasting it in. And thanks, Happy Holidays to you as well. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I realized that after checking the history. Hopefully Christmas won't be as bad as Thanksgiving :/ moo  cows  rule  03:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hopefully not. I'll be seeing my mom for the first time in about 6 or 7 years as she's flying in to visit for five days (one of my little brothers bought her the tickets as a Christmas present). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Six years? Woah. If I didn't see my parents for six years I'd be sad D: We're having over 30 people at our house for Christmas D: Almost Christmas break :D I think I'm gonna join the JET Program after I graduate from high school and college. Sounds like an interesting thing to do. moo  cows  rule  03:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep...she lives in NC and I live in Texas, so its hard to see each other. I haven't seen my dad in almost eight years. I'm trying to get my mom to move back to Texas so we can be closer to each other, and I won't worry quite as much about her being alone when she gets sick. I started my Christmas break from work today. No more working for me until January 5th :D Nothing like a 2 week + 2 day paid vacation. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

My Christmas break starts on Saturday (technically), and goes to like the 5th or 6th :D NC as in North Carolina? I have relatives in Massachusetts and Connecticut and most of my family lives either here (Alaska) or back in Japan... moo cows  rule  03:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, NC = North Carolina. The only relatives I have here in Texas are one younger brother and his kids, and an aunt who lives way over in El Paso. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * My mom is going all baking crazy... She stayed up till 2AM yesterday baking D: moo  cows  rule  04:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay for baking! I miss baking. I'm thinking about doing Christmas cookies to include as gifts for folks. Would love to make a rum cake too...a real one rather than the crappy faux one I had to make for work because our new boss is a stick in the mud. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol How do you make a faux rum cake? Wouldn't that just be like a cake? moo  cows  rule  04:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Uses rum flavoring instead of real rum. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh. I don't have much experience with rum cakes... for obvious reasons. moo  cows  rule  04:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, true. My mom wouldn't even let me taste one till I was eighteen. A real rum cake has two cups of rum in it, one cup in the cake batter, and another cup in the glaze that goes on top. With a faux rum cake, rum flavor is substituted for the rum. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol that seems like a lot. moo  cows  rule  04:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but its so so good (and one good sized slice with a glass of milk, and you'll sleep good :-D) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * XD I bet you will. moo  cows  rule  05:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Holy snap!! What have I been missing!! None of this conversation appeared on my talk page!! But yeah, rum cake is goooood... : D I think I just might bu myself Freaky Flickers the Movie: Quest for the Golden Flicker for Christmas. What about you guys? Now i'm going to make mahslefs some hot shoc-olate. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 06:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * HOT COCO. I MUST HAFF IT NOW. :D
 * XD No way. I'm not gonna buy Freaky Flickers the Movie: Quest for the Golden Flicker. Plus Freaky Flickers the Movie: Quest for the Golden Flicker won't even be out by Christmas. It's coming out in '09. moo  cows  rule  07:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey AnmaFinotera, look what I found. Some lazy stupid person who copied the whole Wikipedia database. I was just at Borders, man someone had a lot of nerve, I was going to get the Battle Royale: Ultimate Edition (Vol. 4). I did find it—ripped open by some some stupid freeloader. Just have to ruin all the expensive collectors editions. (>_<) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep...not the only one. Actually quite a few who do that. There is some page about that somewhere....-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um...huh? Quite a few who make copied versions of Wikipedia or de-shrink wrap manga? A page about Wikipedia copies or deshrink? No the only wuh? : S Can you explain that better. : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Quite a few copy Wikipedia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * TUPID PEOPLE >.> moo  cows  rule  03:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Its technically allowed per Reusing Wikipedia content. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It is, okay then. But still, it is pretty funny. The person that made the page I linked erliar was really lazy. They were trying to just make a web page for Hakubunkan (publisher of Shōnen Sekai) but nstead they just took all of Wikipedia. I mean, they could of just taken that one page. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 03:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * >.> I mean to spell it tupid... moo  cows  rule  03:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Dragonball images again
Regarding File:Dragonball-evolution.jpg: you've listed this at WP:PUI, which doesn't deal with images marked as fair use and non-free. However, isn't it the same image that was deleted in this ? If so, speedy deletion CSD G4 might apply. -- Skarl 16:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, it is! I could have sworn it had been deleted before! Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it did get deleted, and then re added by me. Why does it have to keep being deleted? Its a real poster! Goku1st (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Because that image is watermarked by IGN. We do not use watermarked images - that violates non-free. Cropping out the watermark does not change this. Until a promotional poster is released that is not exclusive to IGN and not watermarked (or someone stealing their image and cropping out the watermark), it does not belong here. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Dragonball (film)
There appear to be some inconsistencies here. Firstly, what is the film's working title in the United States, "Dragonball Evolution" or "Dragonball: Evolution"? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea. I'd guess Dragonball: Evolution as it seems more grammatically correct, but sources are using both. People insisted we add Evolution, though, so its added. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, so you're going by how the ref spells it out for each line? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For the refs, I attempted to use what they used since that would be their correct title. For the article itself, I tried to consistently used Dragonball: Evolution. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Escaflowne
Hi there, if you checked Animax Asia's official website and Anime News Network's articles on them, they actually are an English language network, so your revert was baseless. Also, Kimitoshi Yamane is one of the most famous mecha designers and in Japan and if there are only one or two famous mecha designers than him (probably Kunio Okawara, but even then that would be the subject of dispute as he's most famous for Gundam whereas Yamane is renowned for Cowboy Bebop and Escaflowne. I will need some time finding references for him, as I would have to look through Japanese magazines such as Newtype or Animage, as there are hundreds, no thousands of references to look through and finding all references on him will really take much more than a day or two, probably months. There are probably American sites such as ANN or EX.org that have articles on him, but it will take some time finding them as I'm not really familiar with those sites. If you can help me find some references (a quick Google search will reveal hundreds) from ANN or a similar site, it could really make my job a lot easier though. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 21:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Repeating information from the production section is pointless and unnecessary. Nor should it be added without references (and despite your claims, nothing you put in his article shows that is either famous nor notable). And you should read WP:NPOV cause your language on that article is definitely not neutral nor supported by any sources. If you it will take you a long time to find the proclaimed sources, you should userfy and work on it there when you have time.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In addition to your claim that Animax Asia is not an English language network, which is utterly false as I have said before (even a look at Animax Asia's article would have brought that to light), you also said that the parts I added were "repeted". This is also completely false as I added details regarding Shōji Kawamori and Hajime Yatate (i.e. the Sunrise staff)'s co-creation of the show) and Nobuteru Yuki and Kimitoshi Yamane's involvement in the show, which was never mentioned before. In addition to that, you also speedy-tagged Yamane's article which I just created. I really only edit on good faith whenever I'm on Wikipedia so I really do not understand the reasons you gave for this revert. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 21:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Relevant, sourced details about the series production are in its production section. Not a single reliable reference have even mentioned the things you stated, including extensive printed sources. I speedy tagged an unnotable biography made by an apparent fan (from the language you used in that article). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The biography is not unnotable and was a translation based on information from the Japanese Wikipedia. If you have not heard of him, that is a different matter, but he is amongst the most well-known mecha designers in Japan and I will be adding references for him in all due course, in the case it is not deleted. All the references I can gather at this point are from ANN and other websites so that is really limiting the reach of notability - as not everything is posted on the internet. Also, as I have said before, it's going to take a long time finding magazine references on his fame, so a speedy tag on the article is not going to help. A neutrality tag would have been far more suitable as I would have much more time, but I have only just come back from a break due to RL reasons. Anyway, you have your reasons for these edits and I'm not going to judge them, but all I'm asking is for a bit of time since these references will be hard to find. If you can help, then that would be very helpful, but a speedy tag doesn't give me that much time. `··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Its being translated from the Japanese Wikipedia is, quite frankly, irrelevant. Just because an article exists on one language Wikipedia does not mean it automatically should exist on others. Sorry, but if there are references, they should be available. If it will "take a long time" you should have worked on in your user space instead of putting in the main space under the claim that he is notable and one day you will prove it. No actual sources exist at the moment that can provide demonstrable notability, and by your own admissions, you don't even have them on hand or apparently even know what/where they are. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There are actual sources, including DVD commentary and several other resources, such as magazines - did you actually read what I just said - on this show, and since I do not have these with me right now, I will need to have others who have those magazines or materials to give me exact details such as page number and text etc. to back me up on this, since as far as I was aware, this Wikipedia is supposed to be a community-driven initiative, not a lonesome site. Also, in regards to details on production, Yamane and Yuki's involvement has been heralded in nearly every well-known magazine detailing the show's production, of which I have not seen a single shred on this article's entry here. All I could find on Escaflowne's article are details on how this show aired on American television, which has nothing whatsoever to do with this series' production. That is hardly unique so I would like to know where else the show's production and planning has been mentioned here. Even a site like Anime News Network has production details on their involvement so I really don't think it's that unknown. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Claiming there are sources without actually providing them does not mean there are sources. You must actually provide them, not just claim they exist. See WP:V and WP:RS and please do not continue adding "information" you are claiming is correct when you do not actually have the sources to back them up. And, to emphasize, if you can't actually specify the source, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, there is no source. You can say "I saw this in a magazine" but if you can't say what magazine, who wrote it, when it was published, what page, etc so other people can also find the same information, your saying you saw it is meaningless. Your memory is not a reliable source. Escaflowne's article's production section is about its original conception and production, not just its American airing which is only a small part of its article. It is interesting that Yamane and Yuki's involvement is not mentioned at all in the nearly 10 page spread about the series in Anime Explosion! The What? Why? & Wow! of Japanese Animation., despite your claim that it is super important. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a Japanese show so obviously Japanese resources will be the first ones providing expansion on their details. Nearly every Japanese resource has details regarding their involvement. As you may or may not know, there is a project on the Anime and Manga WikiProject, led by users such as Nihonjoe, who provide references from old Japanese editions of Newtype and Animage as these are far, far, far more expansive than some random English language book. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, when you revert my edits and engage in an unnecessary exchange on other articles, I really don't have much time to be dedicating myself on the Yamane one. Please let me concentrate on doing one thing. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That really isn't my problem. Stop adding bad information and bad "sources" to articles and it won't be a problem. No one is forcing you to attempt to edit two articles at once (not that it is that hard a thing to do). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am well versed in the project and one of its more active participants (and Nihonjoe does not "lead" it). Funny how you disregard reliable sources simply because they don't say what you want - which really doesn't garnish any respect for you claims nor your idea that something is important just because you claim it is. Again, produce the sources or quit making the claims. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, can you please read between the lines and carefully read through what I say? Because I didn't say Nihonjoe leads the actual Anime and Manga WikiProject, I meant he helped set up the project to garner issues of Newtype and Animage - not the WikiProject, just a page here in the project somewhere. It is helpful though and far more useful than anything else I've managed to find (again, here I'm talking about other articles, not Escaflowne, which as far as I can find only contains meaningless details on how it got cancelled on Fox or something). ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the magazine archive? Yes, I know it, I'm in there too. As I said, I am active in the project and know about both the magazine and the reference library. Please quite presuming I'm some newbie editor who is not aware of the project and its areas. And if you can't see the HUGE production section discussing its creation, then there isn't anything I can do to help you there at all. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * All it says are some details about its broadcast in North America, where, as far as I have noted, is not where it premiered or even where it was produced or filmed. I have noticed that in other articles, such as those on live-action films or television programs, any details on their broadcast in countries other than which they were premiered are actually abhorred and completely removed, so I don't see the importance of content like that. Also, all I'm asking for is good faith here. There are actually several websites and articles even in English on the internet talking about Yamane and Nobuteru Yuuki, but I just can't magically put them in the article in one swoop. Good faith might not be a WikiPolicy, probably, but it still is greatly appreciated, since the last time I checked, Wikipedia was created as a community-driven initiative. after all. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 22:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, read the ENTIRE article. The anime section is about the broadcast and release history, including the English releases. The PRODUCTION section discussions its conception and creation. This is how all well crafted articles work: the production section discusses how the primary work was made (in this case, the anime), while the media section summarizes the broadcast and release history for anime, publication/serialization and release information for manga, etc. Have you never seen WP:MOS-AM nor looked at any featured anime article? Community-driven does not mean you get to add unreferenced claims to articles when you apparently aren't even reading the entire thing. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl copyedit
Hello, I'd like to ask how you went about the general copyedit that Tokyo Mew Mew went through to prepare it for FAC. Were there specific editors you asked, or was it just random group help from the project, or what. I'd like to put Kashimashi up on FAC before the month is over if I can get it copyedited.--  十  八  02:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * User:G.A.S tried his hand at copyediting using the various articles. User:Mizu onna sango15 initially looked at what he was doing and offered feedback, but they disappeared part way through, so I I asked User:Scartol to also go back and check over it and offer any corrections/advice (as I'd worked with him before). Normally, though, I just ask a specific editor, until I find one that says yes. :) I keep a list of ones I've worked with before, and pages listing copyeditors at User:AnmaFinotera/Links -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that'll help. Any advise you could give at Wikipedia:Peer review/Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl/archive1 would also be appreciated. Might as well plug Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl chapters as well, seeing as how it's dangerously close to becoming an FL.--  十  八  02:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Ledger
Is it just me or is there a lot of knee-jerk changes going on with this article? Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I think you're right there. I get they want to take it to GA, but they seem to be going about it in some wrong ways. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Whale Wars?
Have you seen the show "Whale Wars"? It is horrible! I hate their use of violence to subdue the Japanese! I sent them an angry email, regarding all the violence. Why can't they just protest? moo cows  rule  08:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Though I watch Animal Planet, I haven't seen it. Though, conversely, one could ask why the Japanese refuse to stop hunting whales. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with the Japanese over-whaling, but the Sea Sheperds just make me really mad. I mean why can't they just like protest? They are technically pirates, but nobody is doing crap about it, since it's "international waters". moo  cows  rule  18:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Because the many protests, restrictions, etc haven't worked. The Japanese are using the same excuse to get away with over-whaling. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well then get the government of Australia to do something. Supposedly Australia is supporting the Sea Shepards, so shy don't they do something? You should probably see the show.
 * His organization is technically illegal per UNCLOS, although he claims to be on the side of the law per some other UN rule regarding whaling, about if the police aren't using action to stop over-whaling, than any non police organization may. On the other hand, the Japanese claim they aren't over-whaling, and capturing the legal amount of whales in the given area. It's just a conflict that really will never win. Fighting fire with fire just doesn't work. moo  cows  rule  19:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree, in the end, neither side is right. Japan is breaking the laws, and violence doesn't necessarily help. The whales are the ones still suffering and still dying, along with other animals suffering as collateral damage. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think there should be an enforced limit to how many whales can be fished. The horrible thing about it also is that the Japanese are claiming that they're whaling for science, and that all the whales are going to go to scientists. I think that's a lie. I think that everyone here is at fault, the UN for not enforcing their laws, and the Japanese government for not stopping the whale ships. moo  cows  rule  19:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I seen the commercial for the series, I agree full-hearted. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 20:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

About Princess Tutu
If I may talk about the mislead, but I did not take the episode summaries from Princess Tutu from ANYWHERE. I spent my time, working hard and typing all of it myself. That's the WHOLE reason I even joined Wikipedia. To type for Princess Tutu, because I felt that I could add more. I spent hours coming up with ways to write those summaries. I did not take them from another website, or others, for that matter. And forgive me if I did this incorrectly, I'm new to talks. -- Angeliclily  (talk · 4:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um...that you are asking me about something from July makes rather difficult to answer. If you questioned the removals, you should have done so way back then. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know. I wanted to talk to you about this SO BADLY but since me being a newbie to Wikipedia, I didn't know how to respond. I didn't know I could edit and post right here, so I kept thinking about how to do so, and even looked up the FAQ. But school got in the way, so please forgive me, and allow me to have the episode descriptions for the fellow Tutu fans.-- Angeliclily  (talk · 19:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The summaries do not meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Several are more TV Guide style teasers than real summaries, and they contain your own personal interpretations rather than just being plot summaries. See WP:WAF and WP:MOSTV for more information on writing episode summaries. If you'd like to correcting the summaries within those guidelines, why not try doing them in your userspace first. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I have watched every episode more than once, so they wouldn't be interpretations. And I suppose I could fix them up a bit. -- Angeliclily  (talk · 12:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * With plot summaries, it should be a straight reporting of what is seen or said, not any guessing at motivations, etc. even if it "seems obvious." :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So, will you give me another chance to get them done better? --  Angeliclily  (talk · 1:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Like I said, feel free to work on it in your user sandbox first. Then when you're done, give me a holler and I'll check them out. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Civility?
I'd stongly urge you to read the Civility and Good faith policies in reference to this discussion. Mrmcdonnell (talk) 01:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but he's the one who kept presuming bad faith and claiming that by questioning the topics notabiliy, it was assuming bad faith. And after dealing with that mess for hours, civility gets low. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Mrmcdonnell (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of condescending to post these well-known links to a well-established editor with almost 60,000 edits, dontcha think? Also, for the record, AGF is a guideline, not a policy. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

AfDs
I appreciate your reverting of the reopening of the AfDs, but since you were involved in the AfD discussions, I recommend just letting me know in the future rather than doing the revert yourself. This avoids conflict of interest. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl chapters
Hey There. I received your note regarding copyediting this list. However, I am not really familiar with the story. So, I don't know that I would feel comfortable editing chapter summaries for a title I've never had any experience with. Cheers, --–m.f (t • c) 13:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. Though the main thing it needs is a grammar/sentence structure check. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Vampire Knight Characters
Hi, AnmaFinotera. I was just wondering, for "List of Vampire Knight Characters", you said that it wasn't the place for chapter by chapter updates. Is there a place on Wikipedia where we could put chapter by chapter updates? Just wondering. Thanks!! AquaWater99 (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it violates several Wikipedia guidelines. It may be welcome on a wikia, if there is one for Vampire Knight, or a fansite. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

comment removal
I really think it's inappropriate for you to remove my comment from the talk page. Alot of anime articles have a list of CDs, so how is that inappropriate for the list of media?

And it is frequent practice to move excised material to the talk page, as can be seen on many many talk pages all over Wikipedia, though I can see that you might want to keep it off the talk page for size purposes.

As for violating MOS, I formatted it the way alot of anime articles are formatted. A radio-drama CD can be seen as an episode. I used the same template for the music discography for look consistency, though that may not have been the best template to use.

76.66.195.159 (talk) 21:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No decent anime article uses such a format, nor is it appropriate to move inappropriate material like that to the talk page. At best, the soundtracks get a short prose section, not track lists and certainly not ugly, hideous tables like that. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Manga magazine
I made a page for manga magazine which actually did not have an article before and was a redirect to List of manga magazines. I would like your opinion, whaddaya fink? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it should probably be merged/redirected to manga or maybe to the list to give the lead a much needed boost. Really, "manga magazine" is just a specific type of magazine, which is why it had no article. It would be like having sports magazine or cooking magazine. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, I think it will be a great addition to that article too. : ) Don't you think it's ironic that there was nothing saying what a manga magazine is or anything? :-P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really, because its just a magazine focused on a topic (would likely fall under "dic def"). :)-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * True. Click on the link again to the page and see what I did. Do you like egg nog? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That should work :) And no, don't like eggnog at all (probably because of the egg part...I like most of the rest of the ingredients LOL) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * NOE. Noe. NOE!!! How can you not like eggnog? They cook out all the egg stuff... moo  cows  rule  03:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * OH! AND GUESS WHAT? 4 MORE DAYS TILL CHRISTMAS :D!!! moo  cows  rule  03:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Cause its nasty? :P I'll take good old hot chocolate, or straight up rum :P And yep on Christmas...I head out nice and early to pick up my mom from the airport, wee! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * HOW ISH [sic] IT NASTY? XD about the rum though. You head out early to pick up your mom when? moo  cows  rule  03:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. Monday morning, I need to leave around 7 or 7:30. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * YAY FOR CHRISTMAS BREAK :D moo  cows  rule  03:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been on Christmas break since Thursday :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I think you said that already... All that baking stuff my mom made she used for a party D: I didn't get any T~T moo  cows  rule  03:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * BBL. I need to help make dinner moo  cows  rule  03:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Awww. I should do some baking. I meant to make some bread and some cookies. I tried to make some sweet tea for my mom, but forgot I had put the water on and burned the sugar. :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Back. BREAD AND COOKIES :D!! moo  cows  rule  05:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, I have some honey wheat bread to back, and chocolate chip cookies that I want to use as stocking stuffers (and just cause I love them so much) :) I need to get some pretty colored plastic wrap or cute tins to put the cookies in...hmmm...-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean "...some honey wheat bread to bake..."? Chocolate cookies are good... My mom did something like that two years ago. We made a bunch of plates with cookies and plastic wrap and gave them to our neighbors.  moo  cows  rule  06:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Doh, yeah, bake. :P There...house is all clean, stockings are up, dining table looks cute, and dishes put in the dishwasher (except my still soaking pot LOL) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How's your break been so far? I haven't done much... Have you ever seen Avatar? I really like that show... but it's like made for six year olds and stuff... moo  cows  rule  06:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Its been okay. Mostly been shopping, cleaning, finishing painting my kitchen, a little reading and anime watching. Rewatched A Little Snow Fairy Sugar and watched the first volume of Full Metal Panic!. Never seen Avatar as its never interested me at all. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's pretty good actually. Of course it lacks the serious violence in other tv shows (it's TV Y7), but it's basically an anime in English. moo  cows  rule  07:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The special effects are amazing! Like straight out of a Miyazaki movie. Easily spend at least $50,000 dollars on every episode. Yummy christmas foods! (o^_^o) Last night I just went to see all the lights, there's one neighborhood that makes this whole "Winter Wonder Land". In a speaking of 4 days till christmas, when I was about 5 years old it was 4 days till christmas and I was so excited I grinded a calender of 4 days till christmas into my wall—with a tack!! It's still there, I just covered it with a nice One Piece poster from a Weekly Shōnen Jump issue. I was a terrible kid, I ranked my friends from best to worst on my wall with a tack too. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 18:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Avatar is pretty cool, but I still haven't gotten to see the last few episodes... T~T Choco-chip cookies are good, especially when they're burned... What? Don't look at me like that! ^_^ — Dino guy  1000  20:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Choco-chip is good... but not burned >.> moo  cows  rule  21:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha. I was just looking at all the stuff I wrote on the walls. I also grinded in a happyface. Cookies actually do taste good burnt!! –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whatevah... moo  cows  rule  21:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... have you ever actually tried burned cookies? They don't have to be solid black (I don't like charcoal, after all ;) ), just burned some on the bottom. If it's too bad, just knock/scrape some of the black crust off... — Dino guy  1000  23:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like my dad, except he likes everything burnt :P I hate burn on my cookies...I like them nice and soft. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL... Don't get me wrong, I like soft cookies too, but burnt ones are nice now and then too. ^_^ — Dino guy  1000  23:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How about steak? Rare, medium rare, medium, well done, shoe leather? :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * MEDIUM RARE IS TEH SECKS. XD moo  cows  rule  00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I like my steak all yummy and burnt and juicy and yummy. : D This coversation is making me hungry, I want egg nog, hot cocao, steak, cookies... and... rum? :Þ Yay for Ultimo! Who here thinks the Funimation dub for One Piece is not that good, I mean it's better than 4Kids but it still sucks. : ( I can tell you that the 4Kids version was "one piece of something" but i'm not gonna say what. : P –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * EGGNOG! GIVE ME. NAO. :D moo  cows  rule  01:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 4KIDS ONE PIECE! DON'T GIVE ME. NAO. :-( –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... How do I like my steak? I really don't have a preference, I guess... I'm happy as long as it's not raw or shoe leather (and I have a bottle of Bob's steak sauce), so... ^_^ — Dino guy  1000  18:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. I like mine medium in general, pink in the middle, but not red/rare. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
See this gem. I doubt I could write 51 good summaries within the scope of that nomination if I tried (I have all the FMA episodes on hand to do so if I wanted too). Nomination way too premature. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 00:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. How did I miss converting that to the regular ep template? Huh...-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The user that nominated the list also reverted the episode list to an old revision.Tintor2 (talk) 00:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See diff. Yeah, the lead is okay I guess, but I would simply revert the table wholesale. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 00:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Grrr....he needs smacking...and agree, that table needs serious reverting. No reason at all to go back to a lesser quality table. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I was shocked to find the list has been nominated (having commented only a few days ago on the work required before it should be nominated)... and even more when I saw the version nominated. <font style="font-family:Brush Script MT" size="4">G.A.S <font style="font-family:Verdana;">talk 10:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah...can't really figure out what he was thinking. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually saw that when he reverted, I was too scared to touch it... =P — Dino guy  1000  18:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

SMK Semera
This is a really bad article. Do you think it should be nominated for deletion or rewritten? ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 00:38, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * CSDed for unnotable organization. If that fails, it should be AfDed as an unnotable school. Not seeing anything notable about it at all. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

School Records

 * 1) In 2007, a student, Ismim Putera bin Mohd. Nawawi scored 9A's in PMR exam, which is the first record in Samarahan district.
 * 2) SMK Semera Drama Club is the second runner-up in Samarahan Drama Competition held on April 2007.

Unnotable? Also, why did you deleted my message? These are getting so "splunking"... --Mark Chung (talk) 03:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That isn't notability what-so-ever for the school, and none of it is sourced. Go read WP:N. None of the sources you added are reliable ones, FYI, nor do they source anything. And I deleted your message because you posted it already on the article talk page. No need for it here as well. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

List of The Story of Saiunkoku characters
I agree in principle that this article is generally overbloated with detail, but I'm a bit puzzled by your note wrt the Kou/Hong name change that the respective Japanese and American official sites for the anime don't constitute "good cites for this claim"; on the NHK character page, each individual profile lists the name pronunciations in kana-- in this case, "Kou"-- and Funimation clearly lists its own name versions for the American release. Moreover, in the Funimation version, one can clearly *hear* the name spoken as "Kou" in the original Japanese dialogue while the English subtitles write the name as "Hong"; imho this discrepancy really does need to be addressed up front. (As a related note, even the main Saiunkoku article contains self-conflicting usage of both the "Hong" and "Kou" names for members of this clan.)

I did look for a more primary Japanese source about the original light novels rather than just the anime, but couldn't find one; what would you consider to be an adequate authority for this issue? Wombat1138 (talk) 01:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You basically cited the names themselves, not the why. The kanji/English versions don't really need citations as they are from the primary sources. The reason WHY it was changed is what needs a citation. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fished around a bit and found a direct statement from a Geneon representative: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1098712&postcount=15 ...? Since the "Kou" conflict is based on homonyms, it seems as if it would be helpful to actually list the two kanji in question; the other families' kanji would be nice for parity, though not strictly relevant-- and surely the change itself should still be documented regardless of motive? Wombat1138 (talk) 08:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The change is documented, in a footnote (and should be a sourced part of the main article). I don't know that the old AoD post can be considered a reliable source (haven't really tried using one that I can think of in a peer review). The kanji is noted in the actual character names, which is all that is necessary for that. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The name change was originally made by Geneon, although the R1 DVDs are now being distributed by Funimation. Wombat1138 (talk) 15:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am aware of this, but the episodes themselves are still the primary source for the names themselves :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Then perhaps the wording can be shifted from "Funimation changed the name" to something more like "In the Funimation R1 DVDs, the name has been changed to"? Not really a huge deal, but otoh "the Chinese reading of the kanji" really needs to be clarified between the Chinese-based on'yomi readings used in the Japanese language (esp. in reference to the term "kanji") vs. the reading used in Mandarin Chinese, in which characters are called "hanzi". In the most literal sense, "the Chinese reading of the kanji" *is* Kō. Wombat1138 (talk) 16:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, how is that? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ^_^; "Kō" is the Chinese-based on'yomi reading in Japanese (which is also used for all of the other names in the series); "Hong" is the pronunciation of the same character in Mandarin Chinese. Wombat1138 (talk) 16:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Woops...I haven't had enough sleep of late :P How's that? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good-- I reworded the note a bit and also noticed a few more Ko -> Hong overcorrections from past versions. There are a lot of minor grammar slips all over the article, but evidently I couldn't just fix those earlier without trying to compress/paraphrase the rest of the text out of template :b Wombat1138 (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, and yes, it does need a lot of rewriting. It is written too much in-universe, without enough sources. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

...so I still can't quite figure out what the major off-template issues were; could you point them out so I can keep them in mind if I try again? The only thing that comes to mind is romanization issues, but I definitely attempted to keep those in long-vowel macron format. Wombat1138 (talk) 20:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Off-template issues? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Stylistic consistency, then? Or whatever it was that prompted the reversion of my entire edit from 02:38, 23 December 2008 and the note on my Talk page; internal Wikipedia format/style/etc. conventions/jargon still tend to mystify me :b Wombat1138 (talk) 21:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, that one. Parentheticals like that should not be used in the headers (nor is it particularly relevant data). You also began reorganizing the list without explanation nor prior discussion to reach a consensus on why its needed and what the best organization method would be. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh. Should I leave relevant notes on the talk page, or is there a separate area to initiate general discussions beforehand? With the color parentheticals, my main thought was to clarify the difference between the pre-Geneon name homonyms for the Red/Yellow clans, for which the other clan color IDs would provide parity. The Hong subdivisions were meant to create a clear division between Shoka's personal household and the rest of the clan-- as currently written in Shurei's section, frex, there's way too much ambiguity in "Despite the high social status of her family, Shurei grew up in relatively impoverished circumstances. Her father's job brought little income, and much of the wealth of their family home was given to the needy during the devastating fight for the imperial succession eight years ago": the first mention of her family refers to the Hong clan in general, from which her theoretical social rank is still derived; but "her family home" refers only to Shoka's household, rather than the main estates of the Hong clan or the general welfare of all clan members. Since the impoverished status of Shoka's branch of the Hongs is due to his personal position within the clan, and because he's the head of his household, he gets to head that subsection, which contains Shurei and Seiran as his theoretical dependents who owe him their direct loyalty etc. Does that sort of thing make sense? Wombat1138 (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you should start a discussion on the talk page about why you feel the list needs reorganizing and what your proposed new organizational method is. The color parentheticals are not needed in the headers, since the pre-Geneon names aren't even mentioned until the prose. The color variations also seem fairly irrelevant, as the colors themselves are not critical to the series. The list is already organized from an inappropriate in-universe perspective, going against WP:WAF and the general anime project guidelines. Adding additional in-universe divisions seems to be taking a step backwards instead of forward. Ideally, the list should be sorted by protagonists, antagonists, supporting characters, and minor characters, with subdivisions only as necessary. See List of Naruto characters for a good overall model in terms of formatting, writing style, referencing, etc. Unfortunately, any rewrites to the prose were lost in the changes as well because they could not be separate from the rest. If you want to do some rewriting to the prose to fix the ambiguity, without the reorganization, by all means please feel free to do so. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry...
Sorry for being harsh... I don't know a better way to express myself. Anyway, what I wrote (to be accurate, type) on that page is what I'm thinking of. Those articles (that I listed) aren't better than SMK Semera, are they?

Also, please kindly refrain from giving me templated messages - I hate them and I like "real" ones - They feel better to me... Thanks.--Mark Chung (talk) 03:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, no. I don't care if you hate them. You don't want to get warnings, don't do things to earn them. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

re: 125.161.58.37
I've created a report on WP:AN/I about this user, as he is that Anime/MGM vandal I've warned about on WP:ANIME. Please see Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 07:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Good to know...hopefully they can do some kind of range blocks or something. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
What's going on? I had a cup of tea (coffee actually) with my friends, and I saw a message after I came back. I saw nothing so I checked the page's history and found 2 vandals - 1 IP and 1 called VicoMaster. As I am about to warn Vicomaster, I saw he had been blocked thus I checked the user's contribs. and I saw VicoMaster vandalised Moo's, JJL's and your talk page together with mine. The IP vandal however only vandalsed our talkpage. Well, thanks for reverting the evil edit. Do you want a barnstar?--Mark Chung (talk) 09:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure. I've put in an IP check since it seems like its the same person being silly. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably is the same person. What'd you get for Christmas, AnmaFinotera? ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 19:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Blue Dragon(anime)
I'm not really sure what to do here. This looks like an inappropriate split out from Blue Dragon, but I'm not familiar with the series, and this type of cleanup isn't my forte anyways. Would you care to have a look? — Dino guy  1000  22:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It was a very bad split done by a new editor who didn't bother to discuss it or anything. I've redirected it back to the original article. Indeed...I could have sworn that was discussed and rejected recently. He also inappropriately split out Shu (Blue Dragon) which I have redirected back to the character list.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The "Blue Dragon(anime)" page was most likely translated from the Japanese page of the same subject.  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 00:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Doubtful...doesn't strike me as someone capable of that sort of thing. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen several IP's capable of translating Japanese. It could have been a translator too. It's probably original research though.  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 01:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

SMK Semera curriculum
It's not irrelevant! Refer to SMK Aminuddin Baki, Johor Bahru. It has the information as well. Therefore, it's appropriate. Thanks. Mark Chung (talk) 02:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, pointing to another low class bad article is not a sign that it is appropriate. Bad articles are all over the place. The curriculum of a high school is completely irrelevant to its article. It should be removed from that other article and any more of those SMK things as well. This is NOT a directory nor a school guide. See WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines for the appropriate format and content of a school article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, do they need cleanup? You can find a lot more examples within my comment, in Articles for deletion/SMK Semera. As for Vicomaster, do you think we should list him as suspected sockpuppets? Mark Chung (talk) 02:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't that relevant to WP:LIST more? ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 02:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I meant list of indiscriminate information... Or some other guideline D: ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 02:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't a list, it's a...... list. I mean that is not a normal/formal list as it should be, it's just a few example from me. Furthermore, it's doesn't have a name like "List of XXX". The real list is List of schools in Sarawak, Malaysia. Mark Chung (talk) 02:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * XD I know. I got the link wrong. I was thinking of WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 02:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait Just kidding... AnmaFinotera? There's some guideline to having lists of information... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 02:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Visit User_talk:Mark Chung. User:Carlossuarez46 mentioned that I should add the curriculum! Visit Talk:SMK Semera as well. User:Harryzilber asked me to add these information as well. Should you just delete that? Think...--Mark Chung (talk) 03:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * See articles about US high schools and middle schools. They don't include curriculum. ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 03:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It goes against WP:TRIVIA and other relevant guidelines. Also, Carlossuarez46 does NOT say you should add the curriculum at all, he said the article should note what grade levels it teaches (i.e. high school, middle school, grades 6-9, etc.) Harryzilber is a newbie editor with no experience in Wikipedia guidelines or policies. Just because someone asks if something should be included does not mean it should. We do not edit articles at the whims of passersby, but based on consensus based guidelines and policies. As already noted, see the guidelines for editing school articles to see what is and is not appropriate content, as well are reviewing general Wikipedia guidelines and policies, like WP:NOT. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

What? Are you kidding me? Let's refer to the best school article - Stuyvesant High School, the only article with both FA rating and top-importance scale. It has everything - academics, enrollment, school facilities, extracurricular activities, and even Mnemonics, the public artwork! Almost everything - why shouldn't we? Yet, HIGH SCHOOL! - Mark Chung (talk) 03:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is nothing in that article at all remotely resembling anything you put in the SMK Semera article, and there is certainly no useless list of "curriculum" nor "principals." It is a well sourced, well crafted encyclopedic piece covering the school's history, academic, facilities, student body, etc. Not a page of useless trivia lists. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 03:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Read this - "'Stuyvesant students undertake a college preparatory curriculum that includes four years of English, history, and laboratory-based sciences (biology, chemistry and physics are required), three years of mathematics (most students opt for four) and three years of a single foreign language, a semester each of introductory art, music, health, technical drawing and computer science, and two lab-based technology courses. Several exemptions from technology education exist for seniors.'"

As I can see, there are a few words that appear. That includes English, history, biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, art, music, health, technical drawing, computer science and technology education. They are all subjects! Only in details. But, I agree about the principal part. Maybe I just shouldn't add it. You can remove it if you want.--Mark Chung (talk) 04:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that it is a well sourced (and, again, well-written) prose summary, not a listing of all possible courses/curriculum without any context. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... seems that you're right. Maybe we can add a trivia/notes/facts/miscellaneous section in it. I'll add some information in that section then. We can then integrate the trivia details into the article once the details are sufficient, thus expanding it. Don't worry about WP:TRIVIA, I've looked through it and it mentioned: "Lists of miscellaneous information can be useful for developing a new article, as they represent an easy way for novice contributors to add information without having to keep in mind article organization or presentation; they can just add a new fact to the list." and "Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate." OK?--Mark Chung (talk) 04:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely NOT! That is a complete violation of WP:TRIVIA, and a school article certainly does NOT need any sort of trivia section. It will be removed very quickly. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * O...K...What should we do then?--Mark Chung (talk) 04:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If notability of the school can be established, the article stays. If not, its deleted and nothing is to be done. If it stays, then follow the guideline I've already linked you to and create a REAL and proper article for the school if you are serious about working on its article. Use prose, not a bunch of lists copied from its blog and student materials, use proper referneces not a fake list thrown at the bottom, and add real content to it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case, I'll rewrite it. Can you give me 2 articles about a school (from Malaysia preferably, because things would be similar) to be an example for me to improve SMK Semera? Also, how can can the notability of the school be established? I'm willing to do anything to keep SMK Semera from being deleted. (On second thought, I'm willing to do anything I'm willing to do ALMOST anything)--Mark Chung (talk) 06:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You've already found a great article to use as an example, an FA level school article, and the school article MoS which is what FA articles will be judged against. Its being in Malaysia isn't very relevant to what the overall structure and content. Notability should be established by showing that it has received significant coverage in reliable, third party sources (i.e. not the school newspapers and blog), as per WP:N and WP:ORG. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What's MoS? Also please refer to SMK_Kuching_High. What do you think? --Mark Chung (talk) 07:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * MoS = Manual of Style - a guideline providing the "ideal" content and organization for articles. And I've cleaned out the cruft/inappropriate stuff from that one as well. Most of those SMK articles quite frankly suck. They are not valid examples that should be looked to at all. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that a lot of those schools could be merged into a greater list of SMK schools. Now they seem to be stubs... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 23:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are stubs... but do you think we can merge them? They are different schools. Can you merge apple and switch together? Of course not!--Mark Chung (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Uh... of course you couldn't merge apple and switch together, they don't even remotely match, but they're all SMK schools.  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 00:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean the schools of course, not the apples and switches :/  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 00:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but they have different characteristics, buildings, designs, subjects etc. How can you merge them? They are different schools! Can you please describe how the article will look like after merging? --Mark Chung (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes
As one of your edits to this article on 11 September you removed two columns from the episode tables entitled Card Revealed and Card Used, which I personally found particularly valuable in keeping my place as I slowly work my way through this anime series. Any particular reason for the removal? That information has been with the article nearly since its initial creation and I would argue that it is more concise and valuable than the incomplete set of episode summaries that remain. --75.162.59.89 (talk) 05:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. We do not include that sort of trivial, in-universe stuff within the main table columns. If you want a page that has such content in that format, you'll need to look at fansites. This is an encyclopedia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please assume good faith and try to avoid judgmental tone. I post the above inquiry because Cardcaptor Sakura is a 35-hour continuous narrative work of fiction and as a casual viewer trying to work my way through it, I found the deleted information genuinely useful as a method of "keeping my place" in the narrative, much more so than if I had to judge from episode titles alone. I can only assume others have seen value it that information as well due to its being retained in the article for more than two and a half years. If the article group had a complete set of episode summaries, the deleted information would be redundant or could be moved, but in accordance with the spirit of WP:IAR I believe the article is done a disservice by simply deleting the card-per-episode information.--75.162.59.89 (talk) 08:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Following up on the above, WP:HTRIVIA defines 'trivia' as "information that is not important to the subject it is being presented in relation to". I think we can agree that is not the case here given that the Clow Cards have their own article, including the episode-specific links information I'm looking for in many cases, but organized more topically as opposed to functionally. Again, if we had a complete set of episode summaries to work with here - and believe me, I'd write them if I could - there would be no need for the formatting that existed previously, but working with what we have available I think it's better to have it than not. Do you still disagree? --75.162.59.89 (talk) 09:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There was nothing judgmental in my tone at all, nor did I assume bad faith. You asked a question, I answered it presuming you were unaware of the facts. The fields will not be restored to the article, period. Again, we do not include that sort of trivial, in-universe information like that (and yes, it is trivial and fan trivia), and those fields were removed per consensus. The existance of the Clow Card article is is irrelevant, as are the lists unfortunate lack of decent summaries. The series' articles are still mid-clean up/overhaul, as such, yes, they have issues, but putting back old issues to service fans is not the way to continue the good works being done. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Judging by several sections currently active on this talk page, it seems to me when it comes to "serious fanboys", you consistently assume bad faith. Be that as it may, on what basis are you defining trivia here? Fan trivia is not a term that exists in the MoS as far as I can find. I have already pointed to WP:HTRIVIA's definition and I will further point to its primary example of triviality: If Kenny being killed by Mir is important to Pink Eye (South Park episode), then analogously the captured Clow Card is important to the List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes. --75.162.59.89 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So you assume bad faith about me because of other conversations which you are ignorant about the full context of? Interesting. That is neither a policy, nor a guideline. See WP:TRIVIA for the real one. The captured Clow Card is only important within the summary, not the table structure. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If you had stated this initially @ 05:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC) instead of preaching about things that don't belong on Wikipedia I would have had no argument. Looking into the matter further can you please clarify why you deleted similar information from List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes (season 1), (season 2), and (season 3) without attempting some form of rewrite? I understand the importance of internal consistency, but I believe strongly that these articles are done a grave disservice by deleting all that information, hence my previous invocation of WP:IAR. --75.162.59.89 (talk) 22:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I didn't notice at first that you were sticking an H in front of that. The deletions were done appropriately as part of the list clean up and reformatting. I have not had time to rewatch the series (which, as I'm sure you know, is a lengthy one), to do completely episode rewrites. That isn't a good reason to leave the lists in a bad format, however, and this was discussed when it was done and all agreed it should be removed. The content has been removed for months now, and you are the first to voice any complaint at all, supporting the overall view that it really isn't necessary as a whole.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

advice on requiring sources, please
Over at the page entitled "Disney-Pixar Cars Die-Cast Line" (which is a list of cars released in that merchandise line), I noticed that there was a large section entitled "rumored and unannounced future releases". As rumors are generally not allowed in WP, especially those that are unsourced as these were, I removed it. It was reverted, and I removed it again (posting on the talk page that there needs to be valid non-blog sources associated with the material). It was restored yet again, albeit as a comment block. The editors who have maintained it seem to be a passionate bunch over the details of their topic, so I didn't want to get into a revert war; thought I'd ask for your thoughts before continuing down that path. SpikeJones (talk) 07:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That section doesn't belong there...but that article has serious issues beyond that. The format is all screwed up with the headers, its unreferenced, and the ELs all violate WP:EL. Its basically a fanpage and I really don't think that is a notable topic at all. It should be AfDed all together. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, but I don't know if I would be able to argue AfD against the fanboys successfully. If you really think its worthwhile, I'll give it a shot and we'll see what happens. SpikeJones (talk) 16:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * update - added cleanup templates. seemed like the fair thing to start with before beginning AfD process. Thanks for the advice. SpikeJones (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like they stripped those off real quick. Seems like the page is under the control of a handful of serious fanboys who are displaying a lot of ownership issues. RaptorWiki is an SPA. I don't think you'd have to worry a lot about them, since its doubtful they can actually argue keep in a deletion debate from a valid perspective. For now, I've readded the tags along with a notability tag and will keep it in my watchlist to help rein them in. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What's an SPA? If you look, I have asked others how to cite toy listings.  It's not information from an article or a quote, so how should that be done?  SpikeJones was removing content with no respect for the editors' work.  This should have been brought up in the talk section and a consensus found.  I have just begun editing the page recently, and am trying to get it under control and up to Wikipedia standards.  I have been putting tons of work and time into it.  It is not a "fanpage".  Is it useful information to the public.  What do you suggest be done? - RaptorWiki (talk) 01:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * SPA = Single-purpose account. I answered your question, and SpikeJones removals were wholly appropriate as the content removed was completely inappropriate, along with the rest of the page. Wikipedia is not a rumor mill. It has nothing to do with "respecting" other editor's work, as it clearly notes when you edit that "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." You may have put in "tons of time and work" but none of it was work that fixes the actual fundamental issues of the list. It is an unnotable topic as shown by the unavailability of any reliable sources that actually discuss the toys at all. It is purely a fanpage that should be deleted as it fails WP:N, WP:NOTCATALOG, and WP:V. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then how do I get citations? The toys are simply released and exist.  How is that to be cited?  The only place to get a citation from would be Mattel, correct?  And they really don't make articles on their toy lines.  The main purpose is to provide information to the public; it does not matter how popular something is, does it?  If it is in any way providing useful information, it has a place here, as long as it can meet the Wikipedia standards.  There are many people that collect these vehicles, and looking for information such as this, so I do believe it is "notable".  I also see that this does not violate WP:NOTCATALOG in the slightest... - RaptorWiki (talk) 01:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC) Their existence doesn't make them notable. Again, see WP:N - if the topic has not received significant coverage in reliable sources, it doesn't belong here. This is nothing but a fan-checklist and a catalog of toys. It isn't useful information and it doesn't meet Wikipedia standards. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I had been removing the rumored sections on the page, and was leaving only the announced releases, as from Mattel. - RaptorWiki (talk) 01:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I see what an SPA is. That is because it is all I have time for, when I get some free time.  And it is one topic I know about that people ask me for information on, and am actively involved in. - RaptorWiki (talk) 01:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) FYI - the same issues exist on Disney-Pixar Cars Mini Adventures, so that article has been tagged and will be monitored similarly. SpikeJones (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've Afded them both. There is nothing notable about either, and I'm not seeing any sign notability can be shown. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

What to do with this page
This page Mamodo Fight is a sub article of Zatch Bell. It explains all the rules of a mamodo battle and gives alot of plot detail. I'm not sure what to do for the Mamodo rules and fights, should it just be completely removed?DragonZero (talk) 08:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'd AfD it as pure, unsourced plot detail and OR that fails WP:N, WP:WAF, and WP:PLOT. I see nothing mergeable or worth keeping there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 09:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle/Sesshomaru?
Is your Twinkle working fine? I tried using it to revert the vandalism on Sesshomaru's page, but it said "Reverting page: couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed response from the server". ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 23:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, mine is working fine. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:34, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I must have messed it up installing it or something. Could you check my monobook.js page? ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 23:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks correct. You're using Firefox, right? Did you try refreshing your cache by holding down Shift while clicking refresh? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. I've done that already. It might have been a problem on the server... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 04:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably just a temp hiccup somewhere. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * XD Funny you should bring up hiccups. My cousin was singing karaoke here and he had REALLY bad hiccups and it was funny... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 06:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Me and Jump Guru were wondering if you had a YouTube account. We both have one and we were just wondering if you had one too...  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 04:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. I even upload videos. :P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What's your name? If you don't want to put it here, you can just pm me, or Jump Guru.  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 05:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

But I prefer to remain anonymous on YouTube... I mean if you're gonna comment on my page, don't be like "Hey Moocowsrule!" you can say "Hey Senbon" or "Hey Raito" or something....  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 05:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My username there is the same as it is here. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I sent you a friend request!  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 06:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Anonymous there, huh? Oops (I already posted a message to your profile where I called you "Moocows")... BTW, AnmaFinotera and I have been friends on Youtube for a little while now, so you could've gotten her account name from my friends list. ;) — Dino guy  1000  19:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Apology
Hi, AnmaFinotera. I apologize for getting angry with you or making threats to report you. Please forgive me. The only thing I wanted to do was make the Blue Dragon page better. What I should have done before making major edits is use the sandbox first so that way if i mess up it will be in my sandbox nowhere else. When I get it complete and no errors I can submit it properly. I promise from here on if I have a problem I will discuss it first. Please do not hate me, I just wanted to make things turn out well. I understand we all make mistakes, so please forgive me for all of this.

I promise this will not happen again.

from, DranzerX13.DranzerX13 (talk) 13:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC).


 * It would be a lot easier to believe this if you haven't turned around and vandalized the page some more. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

An idea to deal with Bambifan
I would think a separate page at Long term abuse along the lines of the separate listings for Primetime and DavidYork71, under the circumstances. If you need help writing one, let me know. Blueboy96 20:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has been suggested, but I really want nothing more to do with the issue. I only got pulled in again now because he hit a page I still had in my watchlist. *sigh* -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm more than willing to help out with this problem, but I don't have oodles of experience with these sorts of things and I don't have admin powers. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Me
Sorry, i've been gone for a while. I've been occupied with my new YouTube account. : P Anyway, back to Wikipedia. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 17:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope you had fun :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Refs within refs (or notes)
You wanted to know how to do this, right? ;) — Dino guy  1000  18:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Coooooooooooooollllllllll!!!! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * XD — Dino guy  1000  18:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hm...how do you do that? I wanna learn, i'll figure it out. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 00:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You use the  magic word. The specific ref I linked to uses the code , and a hidden comment immediately before it points you to WP:REFGROUP for usage details. — Dino  guy  1000  04:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Now if I could just remember where I wanted to use it at (doh) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm... List of manga licensed in English? I'm really not sure... 「 ダイノ ガイ  千 ？！」 05:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The Lost World
Hi, I was wondering if you could leave the GAR on hold for a bit longer than the 3rd? I'm going to mention it in the newsletter to be sent out for all members to see so it's possible that somebody could help resolve the issues raised. If there's still no progress in a week after that, then feel free to delist it. If you don't want to wait, no worries. I'm just hoping somebody will jump in and help the article. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll extend to the 10th. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Battle picking
You know that I sympathize with your goals, and that I share your distaste for Colonel Warden's role in enabling BambiFan101. I just want to tell you that I think you are taking the AFD for that Teletubbies article too personally, and are hurting your own cause.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've closed the AfD as I am sick of Artw's attacks there an in the AN/I. Couldn't figure out what his issue was till I looked at his contribs and apparently he still wants blood over the Masters of Horror issues. *sigh* What is it about the Internet that makes people carry such psychotically long grudges over something so damn trivial? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

which cleanup template would you add here?
for List of Disney novelizations? It's not linked from anywhere (I found it while trolling through the "disney list" category) and I thought there was a variation of the "needs expansion/improvement" template that would point those users in a direction. SpikeJones (talk) 05:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For clean up tags - orphaned, notability, unreferenced, clean up (for bad formatting). I don't see it as anything needed here, myself, and would probably prod it or AfD it. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
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ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 08:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * Thanks :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * NP! ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 20:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

We were having a discussion about how big our manga collections are. I subscribe to every existing Jump magazine and have easily over 1,000 manga volumes total, floor to ceiling. How big is yours AnmaFinotera? –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not nearly that size at all. According to my online catalog, I have 432 volumes of manga (actually 436 because the CCS collections have 3 vols each), 102 volumes of yaoi/shonen-ai manga, and 17 light novels. And I have every issue of Shojo Beat since it started publication. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whazza huh? I thought you didn't like yaoi? S:-| –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 23:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh? No, love yaoi and shonen-ai. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * PHAIL D: I like tripped on snow and ice and hurt my knee when I was walking back to my house from my friends... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 02:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * *ouch* hope you're okay! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fine. XD but I was just lying there on the sidewalk when I fell. I think people thought I was weird D: ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 06:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * XD what's "readded"? You used it in one of your edit summaries ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 05:17, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Readded = added again. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * OH. Re-added... ムー カオズ ルール (Talk to Moo) 06:34, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't care much for yaoi when the series focuses on it (I found it absolutely painful watching Descendants of Darkness), but I'm fine with random yaoiness like in Ouran High School Host Club. I guess I'm just weird... XD — Dino guy  1000  18:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, what did you all get for Christmas? I got socks - lots and lots (random Dr. Seuss moment), new pajamas (really comfy ones! ^_^ ), and a bargain-bin PC game. — Dino guy  1000  18:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I got the All Colour But the Black: The Art of Bleach, some Final Fantasy video games, a Japanese Couch DS game (even though I already know Japanese : P, guess it's just good to practice), Bleach Uncut DVD, and Buso Renkin Uncut. I went to my mom's house and we did white elephant gifts because we can't afford better in the economy. It was fun though, got a Blockbuster giftcard. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 19:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I got mostly like books and video-games and clothes...  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 19:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably not much compared to others, but rarely do get much. A friend gave me a pretty plant (a Bromeliad). Another gave me a $35 Sears gift card, a throw (which I don't really need, already have one), and a pair of funky socks cause I walk around in my socks at work. My late granddad's wife sent me $50 and a Christmas tree ornament with his picture. My mom gave me a $25 Hastings gift card, the Island Bruce Neopets plushie, a Tigger plushie, some weird monkey plushie from World Market (no idea why), a gray bathmat for my bathroom, some Clearasil acne pads, some lip balm and lip gloss, Raisinets, two bags of M&Ms, a chocolate rocking horse, a bag of milk chocolate Ghirardelli squares (which I don't really like, but didn't tell her that), a set of Hello Kitty candy bracelets, a Hello Kitty change purse (another don't need thing), a thing Hello Kitty Pocky sticks, and a bottle of custom made bubble bath from Bath Junkie (aloe vera, green tea, and ylang ylang). My best friend and I decided not to do gifts till January, and my dad sent something, probably money. My car decided to give me worn out brake pads and/or shoes so it probably needs some $400 in repairs. Yay. Ah well, mom really enjoyed the Wii I gave her...she squealed like a kid :-) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well if we're gonna list everything we got...
 * The entire Twilight series, Twilight clothes (I only read the books mom >.>), Rock Band 2, Guitar Hero: World Tour, gift cards, iPod speakers, clothes (socks, shirts, pants, etc........), and some random stocking stuffers...  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 20:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, its the problem with liking anything! Its like my grandma got one cow thing she liked, now people inundate her with them :P Or I love anime/manga, but I don't care about figurines, collectibles, etc as a whole...I don't even keep their art boxes if I can thinpack the discs down.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly! This webcomic basically sums up exactly what you just said! One time I got a Yu-Gi-Oh! card for another christmas just because my aunt knows I like anime and manga. –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, good one! -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * THE CAKE IS A LIE D:... That's a fun game.  moo cows rule (Talk to Moo) 23:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Issue at Baba (honorific)
I'm having a hard time trying to convince an editor that the page doesn't need a reflist yet. I've cited the style manual, and even compromised with something else, but (s)he won't listen to me. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, it doesn't, though I don't think going two column is much better :P It should just have a regular references tag, but it really isn't worth getting yourself a 3RR warning over. As a whole, it doesn't seem like a particularly notable honorific and should probably be merged to the appropriate list/lists. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So what do you want to do? I don't know where the page could turn to. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea. I don't see a list of Indian honorifics like there is one of the Japanese ones. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I noticed that too. In the meantime, could you put up a more proper tag? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea what to put on it without a merge target. Weird that so many other honorific pages exist, but not one for neither Indian nor Hinduism. Maybe AfD as a DictDef, but not sure it fully is one. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry I meant if you could to the right ref tag ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For now, I'd just let it be. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I just had a thought, what do you say we merge it to Baba? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Good question...I don't work with disambigs, though, so no idea if they should have article content? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If there is consensus, we can ignore all rules in order to have article content. We can even ask User:Jump Guru to opine (seems to already be giving a helping hand ). What do you say? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I dropped in on Jump Guru's discussion page, letting the person know about this. Won't you join in? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I dropped a comment. However, I think you should be a bit more friendly. I don't think saying "What the hell is up with this?" encourages friendliness among the other person. Remember, "Don't bite the newcomers" : ) –  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 01:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but considering who started the topic, I'll refrain from joining in. Funny how he managed to get involved, eh....-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's fine. It seems that Bkonrad fellow started a thread here concerning the whole ref thingy. I'll get to leaving a note there soon, but can you share your view on the topic first? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The best to you and yours....
Hope when we bump heads over at Wikipedia talk:Citing IMDb you don't raise too many lumps. In the meantime, I hope you've had a great Christmas and trust your New Year will be better than could ever be wished. Best to all,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries there, its already failed so nothing to bump heads over, even if a handful of people refuse to accept it. Christmas was good, I got to see my mom for the first time in seven years. Her visit wasn't long enough, but was glad we got to have it. Been sick the last two weeks, but ah well. New Year...nothing but a day to post a ton o freflective type posts on my blogs and keep my babies inside. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)