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Administrators' newsletter – February 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

Administrator changes
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Arbitration
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"Girl's Talk (Lil' Kim song)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Girl&. Since you had some involvement with the Girl's Talk (Lil' Kim song) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε💬 20:45, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

WiT
Haven't followed up on the Wikipedian in Transit idea, would you be willing to play with it if there's a chance? And speaking of WiT,, still good with this? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Hey! Yes, sorry this fell off my radar. I assume there are not funds for supporting Wikipedia editors to travel for the purpose of creating content. I'm glad so many editors find my work helpful to the encyclopedia, but I wouldn't even know where to begin asking for $ to work on topics like public art, etc. In the meantime, I will continue to create content about places I visit, whether the trip is WMF-funded or not. If the next WikiConference North America happens in Toronto later this year, that'll be another opportunity! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Good, and my radar has been on other things also. Hopefully I'll overcome a portion of my procrastination and do some follow up on this (maybe as a part of my proposed but procrastinated-prone Diderot Endowments idea). If Toronto works it'd be fun to see the tower and the art museum (they have at least one good Pre-Raphaelite) but if it falls through, and I've already suggested to Super Hamster...Vegas! "Wikipedians take Vegas" will be reality one of these years. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:51, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Vegas would be fun! You can bet I'll be surveying public art, historic buildings, etc, regardless of the location of the next conference. :p --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

If RK's question is, Do I still think this is a great idea?, the answer is Yes. To be clear, I don't envision this as WMF paying for AB (or whomever) "to travel" (i.e. get to a given city), in that this would be piggybacked onto city visits AB is apparently already making for some mysterious reason we aren't privy to; WMF contribution would be to pay his additional costs while there -- admission fees, taxi/transit, maybe an additional night or two at a hotel -- and also to use its prestige to grease the wheels with local authorities -- putting him in touch with officials who have lists of landmarks and notable buildings/artworks, introduction to local historical societies who could provide a guide for a day, introductions to persons who control access to stuff not normally open to the public, that kind of thing. If these people also identify for him old pamphlets, newspaper clippings -- the kinds of obscure sources landmarks commissions, local libraries, and historical societies have, but which aren't readily available -- regarding the things photographed, these could be scanned (maybe by a hired intern, who would email them later) for use in article creation, and then you've got a dynamite return for a few hundred dollars.This may be a repeat ping, but I think might be able to point us to where in the WMF maze we might go to get such an effort started. EEng 17:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, good analysis and excellent ideas. I personally wouldn't limit the WiT proposal, but expand it to include airfare, housing costs, etc., although some waver on insurance could be included. Doesn't harm anything to ask for the Moon and get a passing asteroid, but the logic of funding several proven individuals who would increase individual cities' art and historical legacy coverage on Wikipedia should be interesting not only for the WMF, but should intrigue potential non-promotional funding endowments by private individuals or non-advertised corporate entities (probably easily found within the cities or towns under consideration). Should Andrew L. be pinged for comment? Randy Kryn (talk) 20:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but airfare would be far more than everything else combined, so I really think the selling point of this is that it makes use of people who are already visiting, and just needs minor support to pay off big for the project. I mean, you could ask for airfare/travel, but make it clear that there's a Plan B -- my vision above -- that doesn't call for that. Who's Andrew L.? But if you think he can help ping him of course. EEng 21:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, your Plan B has much merit. Although endowers from specific cities would probably expect airfare and housing would be a low price to pay for the experience and the cultural benefit. I'd personally toss in payment for time and talent, which WMF may balk at but maybe not (aren't many Wikipedians in Residence paid? same principal, just different efforts). A ping to may give more insight. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:20, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll just say it one last time: while funding sources may expect to pay airfare and housing, for a historical commission with a $10000 annual budget, a request for $500 instead of $3000 will be a pleasant surprise, and be something they could fund without having to choose something else not to fund. The whole point here is that we'd be taking advantage of A.B. mysterious flitting about the world that's he doing anyway. EEng 22:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Again, I'm flattered you think highly of my work and appreciate your kind words. I have no problem with you using my talk page to discuss this further, but I also wonder if a better venue might be Draft:Wikipedian in Transit. This way, editors could work together to flesh this idea out a bit more, perhaps in ways not specific to me. Then, various editors could be pinged there to weigh in. I fear using my talk page to house this discussion will limit the discussion. Would one of you care to get the ball rolling on a draft page, or even a project page? I'm less worried about the page title since moving is always an option. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll also add, there may not be a reason to give this type of project a different name. If there are similarities to the Wikipedia in Residence model, what about just being a "Wikipedian in Residence" for a specific city for a weekend or whatever? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * good ideas. although wikipedian in transit sounds cool. would it be a userpage draft or just as you've listed (i haven't started any draft pages). and should everything be moved there. asking for a friend. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , You're welcome to start at the redlinked draft page above, or a user subpage if you're more comfortable there. Pinging you all as editors more familiar with funding mechanisms and models than me. You might be curious to read some of the ideas expressed in this thread, which is a follow up to User_talk:Another_Believer/Archive_29. Happy editing, all! --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 21:52, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the sound of Wikipedian in Transit. E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 22:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Sounds good! I'm certainly not opposed, but feel free to borrow from the WiR model if/where possible. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Is what you folks are thinking of the same as what Mike Dickison did in New Zealand as Wikipedian-at-large? - "thanks to a $61,000 grant that will see him spend the next 12 months touring the country, spreading the Wiki word."  --- Fuzheado &#124; Talk 22:18, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that works. Maybe in week or week-and-a-half portions. Glad to see that programs like that exist, and maybe time to expand the concept. Took a quick read of the post below, but time-restraint and will have to get back to this later. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I am supportive! "Wikimedian in Residence" is a term which has worked well in the past, but the name has never been the best fit. Staff positions, whether short or long term, are about converting money into communication impact and measuring the value of the same. There is some documentation and a lot of meeting notes at meta:Wikimedian in Residence (WREN). The "in residence" part is not important to the model; to me, the important part is producing and sharing media for education to meet some organization's own goals. Any organization doing online education with intent to achieve impact has a stake in Wikipedia's content. Many organizations that spend lots of money paying social media staff to post to Twitter and Facebook would have much greater impact at lower cost by integrating their information into Wikipedia, through a staff Wikipedian. If you want to integrate any ideas you have into the "Wikimedian in Residence" model then be my guest. If you need support from a community organization, then WREN is there to offer that network encouragement and public approval.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  22:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm very supportive of new ideas and new ways of doing things! Agree thtat WREN is probably the best place to float this particular idea. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:18, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

If Another Believer will forgive me for steering a $61K grant away from him, No, this is not what we (or at least I) have in mind. Another Believer does a lot of traveling anyway, and has been taking great pictures wherever he goes. The idea (as I see it) it to simply make it possible for him to get more out of each location he visits, by paying his local expenses and hooking him up with local officials and volunteers -- a low-cost way to help someone, who's already quite willing to donate his labor and talent, to produce even more without having to dig into his own pocket. Not hiring him full time for a year to travel the country. Anyway I think he already has a job he wants to keep. : am I wrong? <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 00:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am curious and open to the idea of small projects, but I am thankfully and happily employed at this time. Not currently interested in a full-time Wikipedian-at-large role, but who knows what the future holds. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Short or longer projects both sound like aspects of this suggestion (and on Wikipedia the person that comes up with an idea doesn't always have to "lede" the effort). I was initially thinking Another Believer could fly like a Wikipedian bird for a couple of months a year, mainly because I know of his productive work upon visiting a new city. But a week or a four day journey every now and then would fit this plan for him and for many other Wikipedians. A grant pool labeled 'Wikipedian in Transit' (I agree with EEng, the name works as a descriptor) can be used by proven productive applicants or awardees. Now all we need is to fill up the grant pool with euros and dollars and yen. I'm not good at raising money, not one of my talents. First step may be to combine the good ideas here into a short but detailed formal or informal proposal for the foundation, WREN, and private non-promotional donors and individual city participants (maybe let's use the link provided above to draft it or several versions of it) and eventually, when the plan reads well and feels right, sign on to it as a presentation. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Denver
Just FYI! Here's my next project: List of public art in Denver / Template:Public art in Denver. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:09, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Did you travel to Denver for this project? Apologies for not writing up the WiT project page as yet, will get to it at some point soon. The Denver airport murals scare some people, but seem to be a municipal gotcha, but its killer horse sculpture (literally) in front is the one to back away from slowly. Nice work, I'll dig around the articles (already saw a 'Dance in art' category page). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:35, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope!, I have not been to Denver yet. But I have plans to travel there twice this year, so I wanted to get a head start on surveying public art ahead of my likely visits. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:49, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Image promotion
Please take a look at this photo of a replica of a dog trot house at the San Felipe de Austin Texas State Park. Is this photo fit for promotion? Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 17:02, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd say no, but I'm no photography expert. Nominating articles is quite easy, if you'd like to try. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:06, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Do not use album art for singles
That is clearly the album art you have used on Evil Twin (Meghan Trainor song) (which is not even a notable song, so I don't know why you bothered even creating an article for it. The song achieved nothing). I am sure you have been around long enough on Wikipedia we do not upload album art twice, and we especially don't use that album art under a different name on the article for each single that doesn't have its own cover art. Yes, the album art is used for singles that don't have their own on streaming services—but that doesn't make it the single's cover art, so please don't restore it. Thank you. You can write "blah" in the summary and move this up into the other section I created here if you wish, but this is a separate topic.  Ss  112   06:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, how many articles did you follow me around to earlier? What a Man Gotta Do, Don't Start Now (Dua Lipa song), and you edited the talk page of Circles (Post Malone song). Bored much?  Ss  112   06:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not following you. I edit music articles all the time. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, you just coincidentally happened to edit three articles straight after me.  Ss  112   20:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I jump around articles about current songs/albums all the time. Maybe your edits appeared in my watchlist, prompting me to visit the pages, I don't know. If you think I'm following you, that's for you to worry about, but I'm not interested in following you. I appreciate your edits to Wikipedia and have no reason to track your contributions. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That reasoning would make more sense if you had edited all the articles previously. For example you had not edited What a Man Gotta Do before yesterday directly after I edited it, so I don't see how that would have appeared on your watchlist.  Ss  112   20:51, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol, well I only heard "What a Man Gotta Do" for the first time a couple days ago. I'm not going to respond to you if you're not going to assume good faith or accept my answers. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I would I say I do assume good faith in most circumstances—when users haven't extensively interacted with me before and it hasn't all been positive. Don't expect users to believe it's "coincidence" that you edited the same three articles directly after them and then try to make up some lame excuse about one of those articles. Nobody has to accept an answer given to them, especially when it's not convincing given the time frame you editing it straight after me.  Ss  112   21:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I don't care anymore. Please stop posting on my talk page. Thank you. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Another Believer, if you don't want me posting on your talk page, presumably at all, then please don't post on mine, regardless of whether it's praise or not. Keep the same energy. Thank you.  Ss  112   00:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Notable album
An album is only notable when the whole album as significant coverage in multiple sources that are independent of the band. https://www.ccmmagazine.com/news/red-releases-3rd-single-sever-from-new-album-declaration/ is about the single, not the album and the tweet is from the band. As we get closer to the release date, we'll likely get coverage about the album itself. Until then, I suggest you use the refideas template on the article's talk page to post sources that you find and do not try to re-create the album article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, single content belongs on the album article, but I'm not in a rush. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:37, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, content about the singles does belong in the album, but only after the album itself has enough sources to sustain an article about it it without discussion about the advance releases. A review or two will help with that, and if they invite a major source to the studio and the process is written-up. Still, I'm looking forward to the album... Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Deprodding of A Cage of Butterflies
I have removed the tag from A Cage of Butterflies, which you proposed for deletion. heaps of reviews, seeTalk:A Cage of Butterflies. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Coolabahapple (talk) 13:51, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit for Church of Analco, Puebla

 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I finished a preliminary copyedit of the article and left a few comments. If you could answer them that would be wonderful. -- Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 17:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! I hope you're able to take a look as well. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 17:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard anything new from you or seen any other edits, so I will consider my work done. -- Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 00:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Bloating articles
This does not "archive links," but adds links to their clone at the Internet Archives, but I'm sure you know that. A few editors indiscriminately operate the bot without setting it properly, whereas others do it right so only deadlinks get "fixed". I see that you also add archive links to articles, but if you'll look at my last few edits, you'll see I reverted some truly humongous additions of unnecessary archive links. Not a single one was a deadlink.

Adding archive links where they are not needed adds lots of bloat and endangers the status of articles because they can be considered too large. Some editors then nominate them for deletion. It also makes them harder to edit. All that added code is just messy. Please set the bot to only do this to deadlinks. That's the proper way to use the bot. -- BullRangifer (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2020
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Reminder: Maps
This is mostly a reminder to myself. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletions
Hello there. I'm working through proposed deletions, and I've come across several where you've suggested the article could be replaced by a redirect or merge into another article. Might I suggest in the first case that you go ahead with the redirect first and resort to proposing deletion if you are reverted, and in the second case that you suggest a merge first (or boldly do it yourself if the case is clear-cut)?

It doesn't make much sense to me to soft delete an article and then replace it with a redirect. Likewise, if the article is a merge candidate the history should be retained anyway for copyright and attribution reasons. Furthermore, you can hardly expect a patrolling admin who is working through proposed deletions to perform merges. Just my 2 cents; if I've missed some reason why you're doing it this way please do let me know with a ping. Thanks. --kingboyk (talk) 12:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure!, I'll give redirecting a try before PROD. Mostly when PRODing I'm just considering other ideas for how to move forward. I can also take a break from PRODing -- I was just trying to clear out some of the decade-old categories holding unsourced entries. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Please don't let my feedback stop you from doing your valuable cleanup work or for proposing deletions where appropriate. Continue to PROD if you think soft deletion is the best outcome (and if the page is eligible to be PRODded). Thanks again. --kingboyk (talk) 16:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

No Time to Die (song) AFD
Hello again! I just wanted to say that I hope I did not come across as rude for the AFD for the No Time to Die (song) article. I was only going off the information that was available at the time and my perspective of WP:TOOSOON. On a more positive note, I am loving this song. It is a major improvement over "Writing's on the Wall", which is actually my least favorite Bond theme song. It actually makes me interested in the film even though I have for some reason lost my investment in the Bond franchise recently. Anyway, just wanted to clear the air with that. Have a great Valentine's Day! Aoba47 (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , No worries at all! Perhaps the article was created too soon, but I'm also more lenient about some other editors about just letting entries snowball when we know their release is pending very soon. Again, no prob, we're all working to build a quality encyclopedia here! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response! It is always nice to see constructive and respectful conversations on here as it really shows the best of Wikipedia (at least in my opinion). I have certainly created articles way too soon than you so it is all good. I remember making Ganja Burn as a redirect when it leaked with the video months before its official release and it was deleted as a "hoax" so I have been there before lol. Aoba47 (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

You created...
...the Alexander Calder template too! Lots of good work. Thanks from an at-times Calder fan. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Yup, sure thing! I'm trying to create more artist navboxes when applicable, which I see you do from time to time as well. Keep it up! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Another Believer. I'm just posting to let you know that List of awards and nominations received by Adele – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for March 16. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:10, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Three Heads Six Arms
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Three Heads Six Arms has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the GAN, you shouldn't have any problems with it.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks, as always! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:34, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Dusk Till Dawn (Zayn song)
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article "Dusk Till Dawn" (Zayn song) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

It might be worth trying to update the single's sales numbers.

Best of luck with the GAN.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:15, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Bowling Green (New York City)
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Bowling Green (New York City) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of The Hope of Glory for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Hope of Glory is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/The Hope of Glory until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. RandomWookiee (talk) 16:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * *sigh* --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
 * 🇺🇸 Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
 * Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
 * Pirate Flag.svg CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
 * The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included 🇺🇸 L293D, 🇻🇪 Kingsif, 🇦🇶 Enwebb, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski and 🇳🇵 CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Congrats! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup newsletter correction
There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter; 🇺🇸 L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead, 🇺🇸 Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:29, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 March 2020
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Administrators' newsletter – March 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Money emoji
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Athaenara • DeltaQuad
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Fishhead64 • Kudpung • Mikaey

Bureaucrat changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg DeltaQuad

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg DeltaQuad

Oversight changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg DeltaQuad

Guideline and policy news
 * Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
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Commons category not specific to subject
Greets, You have been removing the commons category for the NRHP articles that are the category that any images of the subject would be properly categorized in. In some cases I haven't had the chance to look through the category on Commons to see if there is a photo for the article. I have found a number of photos for articles that were in these categories but hadn't been added to the articles. Also I haven't had a chance to finish looking for images for these articles. When I find them they will be placed into the categories I have been adding to the articles. Unless I find multiple pictures and create a category for the specific property the category you have called "not specific" is the most specific relevant category I can find. Even if a photo of the article subject isn't in the category the images provide context to the article's subject. Often photos of the historic district a property is part of are in the category. The nature of registered historic properties involves context and setting. A link to a category providing images of the most closely related historic buildings in the narrowest region the building is located in is well within P&G (as I understand). Thanks for your contributions and collaboration. MrBill3 (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't think a Commons category should be added unless the category is specific to the subject of the Wikipedia article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:53, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Greets, ugh don't want to do this in duplicate and would like to move to NRHP talk. Thanks for the contribs and input. What about Commons categories for the Thematic Resource, Historic District, Multiple Property Submission that the subject is part of? What if a category contains images of the subject but there is no category for the subject? I hope you at least look through the category to see if there are images of the subject. As deleting editor does it fall to you to find or create a more appropriate category? How do you respond to the context provided to a stub? Is the primary goal of a useful encyclopedia served by deleting content from articles which provide almost no information at all? Does it inhibit editors adding pictures of a subject to Commons and connecting them to articles if a new category needs to be added to link to the pictures from the article? The existing category system for NRHP is rather refined and specific. What is your response to the argument that this level of category means that the images in the category will be specifically related to the historical context providing notability for the subject of the article?
 * I don't want to make edits that policy will require cleaning up. I don't want to lose a link I put into a stub that leads to an image or images that can be used for the article. I want readers and editors to get the most possible from stubs. Thanks for your help in this. MrBill3 (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure what else to say here, but I have a strong preference for only linking Wikipedia articles to their respective Commons categories and not related categories. Feel free to drop a note over at WikiProject NRHP if you'd like feedback from other editors. You can simply link to one of the ongoing discussions if you don't want to write this out again elsewhere. Huge thanks to you for expanding so many NRHP stubs lately. Keep up the great work, and happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:03, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Preference noted. I'll ping you if I open a more central discussion. Thanks for the appreciation and likewise. MrBill3 (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Super Bowl LIV halftime show

 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries; good luck with your planned GA nomination. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  05:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Bowling Green Offices Building
You beat me to it. I was going to suggest adding an Info Box. Looks good. Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 18:41, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Bowling Green Offices Building has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

I have one observation. I'm wondering whether the article should not be titled Bowling Green Offices building because it appears the building's correct name may simply be Bowling Green Offices. Websites newyorkitecture.com; wirednewyork.com; 42Floors.com; nyc-architecture.com; commercialcafe.com; and the building's current management company braunmgmt.com refer to it as "Bowling Green Offices". Just a thought.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Much appreciated! Saying thanks on behalf of both of us. :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I, too, noticed the difference between the article title and "Bowling Green Offices" in the infobox at one point. I think consistency would be good. Big thanks for your quality work on this article, and so many others. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedit and responses! Regarding the name, there are several different names (including 11 Broadway, Bowling Green Offices, and Bowling Green Building). Bowling Green Offices Building is the official name used by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission, so that's where I created the page. epicgenius (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The Chromatica Ball
Per WP:NTOUR, it states: Concert tours are probably notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Such coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms. Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability. Tours that cannot be sufficiently referenced in secondary sources should be covered in a section on the artist's page rather than creating a dedicated article. A tour that meets notability standards does not make all tours associated with that artist notable. Michael Jackson's 1988 Bad is an example of a notable concert tour. It being a tour by Lady Gaga alone is not creditable enough of a reason to exist.  livelikemusic    talk!  14:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd prefer to see the article kept and expanded, but I'm not going to fight hard for this... the article will just be resurrected soon enough. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, draft it if you feel that strongly, but per the Wikipedia guideline it should not exist. Being a Gaga tour does not make it notable, nor should it require a stand-alone article. Users need to stop feeling entitled for everything having its own article simply because the concept exists in exchange for Wikipedia's own policies.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't need the lecture on my talk page, thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm John B123. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Washington (state), and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

John B123 (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Why? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I did it by error and have since marked it as reviewed. --John B123 (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ah, ok, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Bank of California Building (Portland, Oregon)
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Bank of California Building (Portland, Oregon) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

There is one citation tag that needs to be dealt with before the article can be considered for a GAN.

Best of luck when it gets there.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Much appreciated! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2020
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Brooklyn Bridge Park
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Brooklyn Bridge Park has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Overall, the article was in good shape. The review missed a number of things which I've fixed and I made a few changes which I think improves it overall.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Ref
Here is a ref if you wish https://emergency.med.ubc.ca/person/james-heilman/

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Portland International Airport station

 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: Banner
Adding banners is mostly one person's work (an hour or so). With script like rater things become easier (User:Evad37/rater). AWB assessment should help also, however I don't use that one. --Titodutta (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. Looks like someone else has an interest in creating a script to tag articles. I will just let people do what they think is helpful, I'm sure all the articles will be tagged soon (manually or with code help). Happy editing, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:31, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Send an email to Wikimedia-l or relevant mailing lists too. If you want me to help, let me know. (and have we asked Doc James to join, he works on a lot around WikiMed articles). --Titodutta (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't really know how the mailing lists work so feel free to send invites/requests as you see fit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ mailing list post. The talk page link was wrong. I had another noticeboard open at that time. I have sent another email to the list correcting the talk page link. Shared in personal capacity as well. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Great, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You may keep an eye on the mailing list posts. In case you are not subscribed, check the last post here and subsequent posts. --Titodutta (talk) 21:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Will do. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Creating Fiona Apple redirects
As you evidently so badly wanted to make these redirects even though probably none will ever become articles, please insert them at the article you redirected them to or I will nominate them for deletion. User:Lk95, just letting you know, Another Believer has started work on another draft for an article you made a redirect for (Fetch the Bolt Cutters) and is directing users to contribute to his draft to do work for him at Talk:Fiona Apple. If you don't want another draft to overwrite your redirect, you should probably start your article soon. Another Believer, I must say I'm surprised you found the time what with your dedication to corona topics over the past two weeks.  Ss  112   15:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You're just stirring the pot here... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please insert mentions of the titles of songs you started at List of songs recorded by Fiona Apple or I will nominate them for deletion. It's pretty bad I even need to prompt you to do so.  Ss  112   15:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Jesus, can you give me more than 2 minutes to do something? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, I don't know why you're so concerned about editors creating drafts, or notifying redirect creators of drafts in progress. How many times do I have to say, there's nothing wrong with working in the draft space... There's no release date announced yet, so I don't think main space creation is appropriate, but you're invited to assist with the draft page if you're interested. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Because you've done it countless times, and it's your transparent way of getting another editor's redirect deleted—work on the draft enough, and revert editors trying to expand or create content on the mainspace redirect so they will contribute to your draft. You did it to SomethingToTellYou, and lo and behold, your draft for Chromatica replaced their mainspace edits. Any user can start work on a mainspace article. There's no appropriate time frame, and album articles have stayed in mainspace before without a concrete release date. You might not think it appropriate for mainspace yet, but if it happens, you should not revert editors or edit war to retain a redirect in favour of your draft. If a mainspace article is started and you have current concerns about its notability, WP:AFD is there for you.  Ss  112   16:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Please leave me alone. I don't need you coming to my talk page just to stir the pot... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever. Don't forget to add the songs to List of songs recorded by Fiona Apple.  Ss  112   16:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just started the article on its mainspace which I find to be very reasonable since there is and has been more than enough coverage on the album to warrant its own article and not just a draft. She also specifically said the album will be released in early 2020 which is most likely not far from now, even if she didn't give away the exact date. I hope works can be continued on the main article as the release unfolds. -- Lk95 18:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok, well, I wouldn't be surprised if your work is deleted or redirected. I see album articles lacking release dates reverted all the time, not sure why this one's an exception. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:14, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

'Split article' notices
Hi. Talk:2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States now has more than a dozen notifications of articles being split off. (A) Is there some shell to put around them, like 'WikiProject banner shell'? (B) Other than the first, identifying the parent article, do they belong on that page at all? The purpose is to tell people looking at 'Pandemic in [state]' where to find the pre-split history of that article. Do we really need a (verbose) list of daughter articles? —WWoods (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , The attribution templates should be kept, but I would like to see them collapsed. Actually, I asked on the article's talk page if editors knew of one to use. See Talk:2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

The COVID-19 Barnstar for you!

 * Thank you so much. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * +1. We're looking at the [in New York] article in our WikiNYC meeting right now. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 00:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the heads up! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Bare URL tags
Hi. I just noticed you edited Good to Know and placed a bare URLs tag in the references section; this is not the first time you have done this. , one of the users who tracks where bare URL tags are placed and fills them, has previously asked in an edit summary for users to place the tag at the top of the article and not in the references section, so users who do fill them out when articles are tagged do not have to scour the article for where the tag is. (Besides, the references section is not actually the section where references are placed most of the time, unless on the off-chance it's an article that uses list-defined references, so why you think the tag should go there I don't know.) Thanks.  Ss  112   02:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello AB. Just to elaborate on this I know that the instructions for the tag used to mention putting them in the ref section but that was changed last year. Those of us who work fixing the bare urls have found our work goes more smoothly when they are at the top of the article. There are a few reasons for this (some of which are mentioned here Template talk:Bare URL inline but there are others as well) so if you can find your way to doing this it would be much appreciated. PS - I know editing habits developed over time can be tricky to change but new ones can be fun to learn :-) Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:07, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MarnetteD! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome and happy editing. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: Mailing list
Hi, I hope you have noticed the first sentence of this message. I noticed that you have joined the mailing list. Good to see you there. Wikimedia-l is the central mailing list, so it is being read by Wikimedians of all projects and languages. You may also subscribe to any other mailing list that is interesting for you. I personally subscribed 10-12 India-related lists (including city-level such as Bangalore Wikimedians). WikiMed might be a dedicated mailing list for Covid-19 or similar discussion. I am not on the list. Hope this helps. --Titodutta (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Tree of Life Newsletter
I'm finally getting around to asking you about WP COVID-19 as suggested. Here are a few questions and maybe I'll have more later.


 * 1) Please describe how you went about creating WikiProject COVID-19.  What made you think a project was needed?  What criteria did you use to determine that a separate WP was the way to go?  Is this the first WikiProject you've been involved in creating?
 * I've been following the outbreak and editing related Wikipedia articles since January. I'm not particularly interested in infectious diseases or viruses, but I've been to China a few times and wanted to monitor the outbreak's impact on society as well as the government's response. For a while, I was casually tracking updates to the first couple pages about the outbreak. Then a pattern began to emerge as February saw the creation of separate articles about outbreaks in Iran, Italy, and South Korea. New Wikipedia articles continued being created in early March, and the outbreak was recognized as a pandemic by the World Health Organization on March 11. Knowing there would many more articles, lists, templates, illustrations, and other pages on Wikipedia, I created WikiProject COVID-19 on March 15. My goal was simply to create a temporary or permanent space for editors to collaborate, communicate, and focus specifically on content related to this ongoing pandemic. I'm a member of many WikiProjects and have created several before, but this one definitely felt more necessary and urgent. Most WikiProjects unite editors with similar interests, which is fine and serves a purpose, but I felt this project could have a much bigger real life impact. I don't think I was alone in my thinking; approximately 80 editors joined the project by March 20.
 * 1) What can WP COVID-19 do that its parent projects (WikiProject Viruses, WikiProject Medicine, and WikiProject Disaster management) cannot or should not do?
 * The purpose of WikiProject COVID-19 is simply to assemble editors who want to create and improve content related to the disease and ongoing pandemic. I want the group to accomplish as much as possible, regardless of the activities of related WikiProjects.
 * 1) Who or what was invaluable to getting off the ground?
 * If I'm being honest, getting this project off the ground required little work on my part. All I did was create the space and post invitations to existing talk pages related to the outbreak. Editors joined the project very quickly; 30 members joined on the same day I started the project, and there were more than 50 participants one day later. I've been a daily Wikipedia editor for more than 12 years, and I've never seen so much interest in a project or content added to Wikipedia about a specific topic in such a short period of time. WikiProject members worked expeditiously to build a framework and hang a barnstar, tagging related pages, assessing content, and starting talk page discussions about the project's goals and scope. I'm thankful to the many editors who pitched in to get the project established, and I look forward to seeing how editors collaborate in this space as we move forward.
 * 1) What are the short-term goals of the project?
 * No specific goals have been posted to the project page yet, but I'd like to think members share a collective desire to ensure Wikipedia has accurate and reliable information about the disease and pandemic. Disinformation and misinformation seem rampant these days, so we're working to give readers around the globe access to accurate, objective, and possibly even life-saving information. Unlike some WikiProjects which may take a more historical approach to documenting certain topics, WikiProject COVID-19 members have the ability to mitigate the disease's spread in real time by arming communities with facts about outbreaks in their region as well as information about prevention, testing, vaccine research, societal impact, etc.
 * 1) What are the long-term goals? English Wikipedia has many of 'lumpers' who think there are too many projects already.  The project has also inspired the creation of two portals, which I imagine caused some raised eyebrows in this trend of portal deletionism.  What will come of the WP after the current outbreak subsides?
 * After creating WikiProject COVID-19, a couple editors said I should have created a task force instead of a standalone WikiProject. I wasn't bothered. The number of 'thank you' notifications I received for creating the page vastly outweighed these critical comments. I knew the page I created was much needed, and I would be fine if editors decide to call the page by another name. I understand some editors think there are too many WikiProjects. No one's required to join WikiProject COVID-19, but the 80 of us who have already joined invite you to help with our efforts, if you're interested. As for the project's future, I would be fine if editors decided to convert the WikiProject into a task force, or even put the project into retirement if the time comes. Given the level of interest and impact the pandemic has already had on a global scale, I have a feeling the WikiProject will be active for a long time.
 * 1) Another criticism of the project is it's narrow focus.  It is focused on only one strain of virus, and the disease it causes.  Even WikiProject AIDS is about two species of virus.  Is the scope of the project to small?  What would an expanded scope look like?  Why would including another virus strain in the same species, Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus which causes SARS, not be wanted?  or is it wanted?
 * Narrow focus? I disagree. The project may focus on a single virus and disease, but the pandemic has resulted in the creation of hundreds of Wikipedia articles documenting outbreaks in most countries and territories. There are pages covering the pandemic's impact on aviation, cinema, education, politics, religion, sports, and television, not to mention others related to the resulting economic turmoil. Additionally, there are hundreds of templates, charts, and other graphics. Who knows how many thousands of images and other media will be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons by the time this pandemic subsides? There's also WikiProject COVID-19 at Wikidata, and I wouldn't be surprised if similar spaces are created for other Wikimedia projects soon. Even if the focus is narrow, there's plenty of content for Wikimedians to improve and protect.
 * 1) In your opinion, what should be the guidelines for creating a new project, as opposed to creating a task force or working under an existing WikiProject?
 * I don't feel strongly about new project creation guidelines, or the differences between WikiProjects and task forces. Project members should decide what structure works for them and call themselves whatever name they prefer. I understand project construction requires maintenance and can come at an administrative cost, but we should be careful about discouraging editors from proposing new projects.
 * Ideally, editors would only create a new WikiProject if at least a few others were committed to joining. I created WikiProject COVID-19 without conferring with others because I assumed the interest would be there. I encourage people to be bold and create project pages, but maybe ask a few other editors for feedback first. I'll let other editors worry about the guidelines.
 * 1) What tools (templates, bots, etc.) are essential, or even just really helpful, for organizing and maintaining a successful project?  What is something every WP should do, that maybe isn't doing now?
 * I appreciate the standard WikiProject assessment framework. AlexNewArtBot and Article alerts have also been very helpful.
 * 1) What have you learned about Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 or COVID-19 during this process that surprised you?
 * I don't have any sort of medical background, and I'm more interested in the pandemic's impact than details about the disease or virus. Most surprising to me has been the lack of preparedness for combatting outbreaks by governments around the world, including here in the United States. I don't know how COVID-19's spread compares to other infectious diseases, but as I've watched the outbreak develop I've continually wondered why governments did not start preparing earlier. What was happening in China, Iran, Italy, and South Korea should have prompted action sooner.
 * 1) What important things about 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic do you think folks should know and maybe have missed in the deluge of information coming at people?
 * 1. Know the most common symptoms: cough, fever, and difficulty breathing.
 * 2. Learn what behavioral adjustments you should make to protect yourself and reduce transmission, and remember to wash your hands.
 * 3. Get your information from reputable sources. I'd like to think Wikipedia editors are pretty good at this last bit of advice.

Thank you for your interest in this. --awkwafaba (📥) 19:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hope this helps! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

MIT articles
Hello, I noticed you reverted a number of edits I made on the MIT art and court pages, which are Aesop's Fables, II, Alchemist, Angola, Birth of the Muses, Elmo-MIT, Guennette, Invaders, La Grande Voile (The Big Sail), Transparent Horizon, TV Man or Five Piece Cube with Strange Hole, Two Indeterminate Lines'', Hockfield Court, McDermott Court, Koch Biology Building‬ and Eastman Court‬.

I disagree with these items having their own articles because they do not appear to meet the WP:Notability guidelines, in particular as having "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" as per WP:GNG. For example, I am unable to find third-party coverage on most of these art works describing why the art piece itself is particularly noteworthy, such as Invaders and Two Indeterminate Lines which is almost unmentioned except for being an entry in the MIT visual arts or culture now's catalog listing. The same goes for the courts: why is Eastman Court noteworthy of having its own article aside from having Adirondack chairs installed, or why is the Koch Biology Building itself notable other than the fact that it is where the Koch Institute is located? These art works and places, even though they may be seen or frequented by many people, should not just be WP:INHERENTly notable.

I took the liberty to merge these articles into a common place as it seems that it would be difficult to develop them into articles longer than a few sentences with the amount of sources currently available. However, seeing that you disagree with this move and because you are the creator of most of these articles, I would like to know your thoughts on this and perhaps enlighten me on how the subject of these articles could be demonstrated to be notable. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 Barnstar

 * Thank you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

FAC assist
Hello! I am hoping to renominate the MAX Red Line article for FAC this week. My previous attempt failed due to a lack of comments. Could I ask for your input in the nomination? I would greatly appreciate it. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I rarely participate in FACs but I will take a look at the article to see if anything stands out. Also, I'd recommend posting a similar request for feedback at the WikiProject Oregon talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You may be interested to take a look at this FAC. Either way, happy editing and stay safe. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for considering it! It's not very long. I did refrained from asking SounderBruce because he reviewed the GA. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 in Tennessee
Hello, AB! Was wondering if you could chime in on this conversation. It seems a doctor wishes to add more to the page than is necessary. Thanks!  Wylie pedia  @ 17:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks, but he replied on my TP again, which I also moved to the state page.  Wylie pedia  @ 17:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Any input for Puddleglum's The Signpost article?
Hi Another Believer, it's Tenryuu from WikiProject COVID-19. A fellow collaborator,, is looking for editors to answer some interview questions regarding editing and COVID-19. If you're interested, please leave your thoughts over at User:Puddleglum2.0/WPR. Cheers! -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the note. Here I told User:Puddleglum2.0 they were welcome to use my replies to an interview for WikiProject Tree of Life. I posted my answers here and editors are formatting here. Puddleglum2.0 acknowledged my reply, so I think we're all good. It'd be nice if Signpost were able to use my replies or reference the Tree of Life interview in some way, but I'll leave that to contributors. Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , ah, didn't see your reply to Puddleglum. Thanks! Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝)  18:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll be using the interivew in the lead as additional resources thAt readers can look at to get more information on Covid and Wikipedia. Thank you for your time! Puddleglum  2.0 (How's my driving?) 19:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 19:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Fantasea II: The Second Wave


Hello, Another Believer. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Fantasea II: The Second Wave".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Stay safe, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Template Death numbers incorrect
Hi Another Believer, I added you to the ping list. I think you can help or find the right person to fix this problem. See my talk at Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United States medical cases by state titled "Template Death numbers incorrect".

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Nomination of Florence, South Carolina shooting for deletion
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Nomination of Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the cannabis industry for deletion
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 * Don't even worry about the dozens and dozens of sources used in the article and posted on the talk page... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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Nomination of Parker New York for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Parker New York is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Parker New York until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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 * *sigh* --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Screenplay by Tierney Sutton
This album is on the jazz cleanup listing. If you created the article for this album, and whenever you create an article or work on an album article, would you consider filling in the infobox? I think readers would appreciate that.–Vmavanti (talk) 19:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

"Queen for a Day (album)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * , I don't understand, why do you think this should be deleted? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion in the matter. Please read the linked discussion. Steel1943  (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Anahtar)
Hi Another Believer. I was thinking of closing the move request but found the issue confusing. The discussion is at Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Anahtar). The Anahtar name is of someone associated with creating the statue, but it is not the sculptor, who is named Hall. How would you feel about using the statue names that are now in Template:Atatürk monuments? I am unsure whether the statue described in Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Embassy of Turkey, Washington, D.C.) is even worth an article. Our picture of it is from a distance and appears to be of low quality. A better photo (not free) of the Turkish Embassy statue can be seen at https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/embassy-of-turkey-washington?select=GpPeB6O3jqwog3wMztBGTg Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , The titles in the "Atatürk monuments" template are not compliant with WP:VAMOS. They should be moved to "Statue of..." format. If you find the move discussion confusing I would let another editor close or let more discussion take place. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My complaint is that the arguments in favor of the move don't seem consistent.


 * An architect called Nurey Anahtar performed a kind of a site plan for the Sheridan Circle statue sculpted by Hall (according to reference 1) but she was not the sculptor. Would we use the site-planner's name to identify other statues in the list?
 * The second of the two moves requested is . But nobody is claiming that the statue in front of the Turkish Embassy is by Jeffrey Hall. What reason is there to attach Hall's name to the OLD statue? 'Embassy of Turkey' (without Hall) at least provides an accurate disambiguator for this statue. So the second article should not be moved, by this logic.
 * If you find these points convincing, would you consider revising or adding to your original move proposal? Unless some revision occurs, the whole discussion will probably turn into a No Consensus and people will have to start over. EdJohnston (talk) 23:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Would you be willing to raise your concerns in the move discussions so others can review as well? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. EdJohnston (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sullivan's Gulch Bar & Grill


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Your draft article, Draft:Minister for Loneliness


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Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools
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The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.



The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.


 * On 31 March 2020, the new tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias:  Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian.  If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
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Coronavirus truther?
I'm seeing a lot of search engine hits on "coronavirus truther". Max Boot used it in an op-ed yesterday, and Jonah Goldberg a couple of days before that. Do you think it's substantial enough for an article? ☆ Bri (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Maybe get the ball rolling by adding mention at Misinformation related to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Columbia, South Carolina Sesquicentennial half dollar
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Columbia, South Carolina Sesquicentennial half dollar has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

"Evil Twin"
Hey Another Believer, hope you are doing well. I was working on the "Evil Twin" article and think that it is in good condition. Would you like to collaborate on a GA nomination for it? Regards, <b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 15:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Sure! We might do one last search for possible sourcing. Also, would you prefer to actually submit the nomination, or shall I? Let's decide together when the time is right. Thanks for your work on this page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. You can proceed with the nomination when you think the time is right. I am free for an indefinite period of time due to the ongoing lockdown here.--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 15:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Ok, will put this at the top of my 'to do' list. Please see article talk page for my note to you re: GOCE request. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Congrats! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Evil Twin (Meghan Trainor song)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Evil Twin (Meghan Trainor song) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Paparazzzi -- Paparazzzi (talk) 21:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! FYI! --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 21:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Evil Twin (Meghan Trainor song)
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Your GA nomination of Evil Twin (Meghan Trainor song)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Novelty buildings in Rhode Island


A tag has been placed on Category:Novelty buildings in Rhode Island requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Morse v. Frederick
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Carl Barron Plaza
Carl Barron Plaza is nothing more than one corner of Central Square with a memorial name. Why on earth would it need a separate article? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm finding coverage specifically about this space, regardless of size. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Very little of the sources are actually about the plaza itself - most are brief mentions, and "Central Square" is far more prominent in the sources than "Barron Plaza". And again, what benefit is there in having a permastub that will never grow beyond a few short paragraphs, rather than having it be a well-integrated section of the Central Square article? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * As WP:NOPAGE says, even if something's notable it's sometime's best treated in the context of some other article. This doesn't impugn the importance of the subject. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 20:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Statue of Thaddeus Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.)
Hi Another Believer. I was thinking of closing this discussion as Moved, but see that the discussion has already been reopened once before, apparently on a question of spelling of the subject's name. Do you think that the matter of spelling has now been settled, from your reading of the discussion? I notice that we already have Category:Monuments and memorials to Tadeusz Kościuszko, which follows the proper Polish spelling. It starts to get awkward if we spell the same guy two different ways in different parts of the encyclopedia. So it appears that the 'Thaddeus' has to go. There may be one other article with an inconsistent spelling: the one at Thaddeus Kosciuszko National Memorial but I suspect that this title can't be fixed by us. It belongs to the National Park Service.. EdJohnston (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I was hoping more editors would weigh in re: name spelling. I'm still incline to use the same spelling as the parent article, but other editors may not agree. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * By the parent article you mean Tadeusz Kościuszko? EdJohnston (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Yes. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If other editors wanted to disagree they would presumably have done so by now. EdJohnston (talk) 03:05, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Regular chat/audio channel for C19 wikiproject?
Would there be interest in a chat channel (text or discord/audio) for people working on Covid-19 work? It can be nice to have real-time feedback when working on intenst topics. Warmly, – SJ + 19:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, good question! I don't think I'd use a chat channel but other editors might be interested. Would you be willing to pose this questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject COVID-19 to see what others think? Thanks, and stay safe, -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:WikiProject Hillary Clinton articles


A tag has been placed on Category:WikiProject Hillary Clinton articles requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why all the subcategories in Category:Hillary Clinton articles by quality are now blank... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Missed tag?
Should Alison Holcomb have been tagged for the 2017 collaboration? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I see a tag at Talk:Alison Holcomb and mention at WikiProject Cannabis/420 Collaboration/2017. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see, it doesn't show up on mobile view. That's one reason I don't usually use it! ☆ Bri (talk) 20:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I have an Idea

 * Why, thank you! I think nominating WikiProject members for their collective work is a great idea! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I support this barnstar. Although it's a community effort where many editors contributed, I noticed that you've done a lot, including starting the WikiProject.  Thank you very much for your contributions, — Paleo  Neonate  – 14:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your kind words! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Accepted nominations. Any added comments (or editings) are welcome. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   00:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Cresco Labs logo.jpg
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Nomination of Wikipedia's response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Wikipedia's response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Wikipedia's response to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hddty (talk) 09:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sigh... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

By way of List of public art in Boston
Just wanted to check in here to say that I churned through the updates to this page, and to mention.... whoever put it up first did it awhile back, so recent sculptures, notable or otherwise, have not been included. I did add the new Boston Harriet Tubman sculpture, and a few others I came across. But is there any automated way to... hunt down recent public artwork so it can be added?

On another note, I recently put up the bio of Hobart Reimann, who has the landmark article for viral pneumonia (1938). Figured this might be of interest to you on a different vector--considering the coronavirus pneumonia issues that we are dealing with currently. Sicklemoon (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work on the Boston public art list. I noticed there are a few empty cells at the bottom of the table, if you want to remove those. I'm not sure I agree with how some of the entries are sorted, but that can be worked out over time. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I see at least one of the sorting issues. I made the decision to sort by the specific of the title. Personally, I think WP has already run into an issue with their titles style. Calling something a Statue first, or even an equestrian statue first is a lot less sensible than it might seem. It's akin to sorting a list of professions by Doctor, Mister, Miss, etcetera. It's a funkier place in the English language than one imagines!

Or maybe you weren't thinking about that. In any case--I'm not committed to that level of the organization, and would be happy to put the work in to change it, if such needs to be done. (hey, I've taken it this far!)

On the other hand, I have been looking at other public art lists, and I do wonder... what are the most sensible columns to include? Also--what is the planned informational value of these pages? The Boston one is all permanent installation sculpture (with one or two oddball things, yes Army Nurses Memorial I'm thinking of you!). What's the history of these lists? Who made them, who approved them that all-powerful WP designation, Notable?

Were they something like a work page that got made public?

I'm not asking for immediate answers to these questions--I bumped into the Boston list after I had seen the Philadelphia one (which is sortable) and I could see the Philadelphia one was more useful. I also can see how limiting a list like this to installations that... are set to endure for more than a couple years has a point to it. On the other hand, the Boston list is notable for its highly conservative bent. As it stands, 90% (that's an approximation) of what's on that list looks like it could have been constructed prior to 1900!

Apologies for the chattiness. Am just trying to improve my learning curve so I don't put in work on things that will need to be redone by someone who has better knowledge why they are being done in one way rather than another. best, Sicklemoon (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You might take a look at some of WikiProject Visual arts' Featured lists at Category:FL-Class visual arts articles to see those formats and standards. Also, I'd recommend asking for feedback at WikiProject Sculpture if you'd like answers from more than just me. I'm sure editors there will be willing to help sometimes. To be honest, I haven't seen many stellar lists of public art in the U.S. You might take a look at the "Locations" section of Template:Public art in London to see some good examples of London lists. I hope this helps. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

That is extremely helpful. I'll admit, I'm finding the direct approach of asking for help on recommended help pages less than ideal. I am very impressed with various administrators patience in answering repetitive questions, but I... feel like my agenda was, on arrival, broader than just writing one article about something I have a financial interest in, or am a fan of. In any case, thank you for the pointers, and I now have a much better understanding of what lists can be. Best, Sicklemoon (talk) 05:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help! There's lots to learn here, and some editors are more helpful than others, but be patient and keep asking questions. Happy editing, :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Clearwater Nursing & Rehabilitation Center
do you think it's appropriate for you to make this article? lots of coverage out there about the cluster and deaths. 49.149.105.64 (talk) 11:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd consider adding information to 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Kansas first, or asking on the talk page there, so editors more familiar with what's happening locally can help decide. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good
Okey doke AB. There are a few refs that aren't twitter that I would have left formatted but you can copy/paste them or do new ones per your preference. Again apologies for leaving a mess. Have a good weekend and stay safe. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No apology needed whatsoever! I appreciate your help but figured the 'cite tweet' format is best. Happy editing, and stay safe, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:33, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks and cheers :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Category
Should Greenwood Park Sofa belong to Category:Street furniture? Probably not...

insert Template:WIKI JOKE DISCLAIMER here ☆ Bri (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe!, and an interesting fact per this source, the artwork is an "homage to the Short North's history as a furniture district". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added the category and the See also link. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sculptures in Idaho


A tag has been placed on Category:Sculptures in Idaho requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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The Signpost: 26 April 2020
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Issue 38, January – April 2020
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