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I guess everyone has an opinion now about you and Johnphos and the others mentioned Lawrence Khoo and that fisher guy. No doubt there is good and bad in that http://www.archive.org/details/EssayInformationOnTechnocracyDesignAndHowItIsPortrayedOnWikipedia

Personally I think you are only doing your duty of defending the correct procedure and I do not think your part of an editing team. Beamer guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.100.41.61 (talk) 01:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

HELP! I need advice on what to do now. I am new to the wiki and have a disagreement with an editor over an external link. He recently pruned the external links, leaving only advocacy and educational links. He is accusing me of "some of your recent contributions seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising." (disclosure, the site removed was mine so there may be a COI issue) First, the link was in the external links list for several years and traffic it generated was much less than 1% so it's not about advertising. I posted it because it offers a perspective that is either not possible or ignored on the wiki page. Please note that the site does not violate any of the WP:ELNO. Now the editor has shifted to using both WP:SPS and WP:EL to justify his actions. Sorry to spew on you, but I need to know how to proceed. I also hope you understand the need for anonymoity at this stage to prevent an escallation in passion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick36502 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Renewable energy navbox
Hi Beagel, I wonder if you would care to comment at Talk:Renewable energy. Johnfos (talk) 23:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Zishan Engineers Article
Hi!,

I have improved the article and added a section. Also note that recently, a news article relating to the organization has been published which I believe does establish notability. I would really appreciate if you could have a look at the article. I would request your feedback before I move it to the main page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mecheng761/Zishan_Engineers

The news link is reference number 20.

Mecheng761 (talk) 09:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Beagel, any idea how long does it normally take for one to get the reviews on his/her article in AFC? Mecheng761 (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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Articles_for_creation/Zishan_Engineers
I dont understand why the article was not accepted on premises that the differences from the two Afd ones are minor. From my understanding, the initial article was deleted due to no secondary referencing to establish notability. Do three newspaper references not establish notability? From our discussion in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mecheng761/Zishan_Engineers, I thought this did establish notability and should have an article. Could you please let me know. Mecheng761 (talk) 16:37, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it will just need a little bit more time to check due the history of being previously deleted. I am quite sure it will be submitted. Beagel (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

okay. as of now it says that there are only minor differences from the Afd ones and the review has been completed without accepting it. The review has been completed and article has been declined. Should I resubmit it so that it comes under review again? Thanks for the help with news citations. Mecheng761 (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Merging Heavy crude oil and Oil sands
Hi. I opened another merge discussion about Heavy crude oil and Oil sands. I think that it's possible to establish consensus now, since the awareness has been raised by your clean-up of the Oil sands article. Also, I can confirm that User:RockyMtnGuy is an expert in this the and what he's said in the talk page is indeed true - there's not many differences between Heavy crude oil and Oil sands. Thanks! 1exec1 (talk) 10:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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You are right Template:BM&F Bovespa, the ticket symbol has not been put. Therefore please correct that. I don't know the ticket symbol of Brazil's stock exchange.--( talk→  Kkm010   ←track )  13:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work!
You did an amazing editing job on Hydraulic fracturing. Very precise!Smm201`0 (talk) 17:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Lincs Wind farm
Hello. Can you explain what sort of format you would like to see on this article - my main problem is that the text is not currently written to make a clear distinction between "technical specifications" and "construction" as that would result in duplication of a lot of material. I also very much do not like short sections - ie ones that are only one or two sentences long - MOS tends to favour prose over heavy sectionalisation. Also the construction history overlaps the project ownership history too, which complicates things. Oranjblud (talk) 19:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Just cleaning up the created mess. Still did not sorted out all the information. Lets use the standard headings and formating per WP:MOS. Beagel (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I had no idea it was a mess - why have you split different aspects of the construction? ie cable laying is in history but substation construction isn't - are you going to sort that out.? Please let me know when you have finished.Oranjblud (talk) 19:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

excuse me but can you just bloody stop - you've added zero content since I expanded the article, and the other stuff you've done is minor. It's not helping. It's a known guideline to group multiple references under a single note to avoid "citation overkill"

Please read Citing_sources and the links thanks. I see you are trying to help but there is no need for the edits you are making now. Thanks.Oranjblud (talk) 20:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Please avoid WP:OWN. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 20:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahem..
 * For what it's worth I see that the current two section structure is better than the single section I originally created. In future can you please discuss with me very briefly about what you want to do. This will be easier than "consensus through minor edit war".. I am likely to agree with what you say if you take the time to ask first. Thanks.Oranjblud (talk) 20:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Once more, please avoid WP:OWN. Also, if you want to discuss the article, please do t at the article's talk page. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * diff my mistake - I didn't see your intermediate edit, when I saw that I had removed it I attempted to put it back in.Oranjblud (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Viking wind farm
Before you move pages why don't you check facts eg http://www.thewindpower.net/windfarm_en_3042_viking.php there are two viking wind farms - also stop stalking my contributions if you can. You do that by not stalking my contributiuons. Thanks/Oranjblud (talk) 18:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Please stop messing up my talk page with false warnings. I already asked this and I hope you respect my request. If you want discuss the article, please to this at the article's talk page. As for page move, there is no article about the other Viking project. If there will be, lets discuss then but right now per WP:TITLE there is no need for this (pls see my edit summary). As for stalking, please stop this nonsense as I am not stalking you. Energy search results are on my watch list and I am regularly checking new pages find by bot. Beagel (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Cairn Energy
Hi Beagel - Please could you confirm that you are now content with the way I have extracted the information from the profit & loss account on page 13. It is not easy to show nil revenue so I have changed it to "0". Further details are on my talk page. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Moved -- RARE The Association for Rare Earth -- to -- Association for Rare Earth
We're discussing this move of yours at the help desk, here. Please consider adding your thoughts to the discussion. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I added my comments there. Beagel (talk) 09:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Dead links in article 'Belarusian nuclear power plant project'
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You have violated the 3RR rule on the Hydraulic fracturing page.Smm201`0 (talk) 17:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please stop this nonsense. I am tired of you disruptive behavior and POV pushing. Please cooperate to bring this article in line with the Wikipedia quality standards and please stop giving false notices and calling names. Beagel (talk) 18:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Solar power plants
Hi Beagel, thanks a lot for your welcome message you left on my talk page.

I have a question regarding articles about solar power plants. As you are active in the Energy Project, you might be able to give me an answer: How much in-depth info is desired in articles about solar power plants? Only basic info, lets say capacity and used modules? Or any info I can get like inverter, racking system, any additional special feature?

I'm looking forward to your answer, maybe I can contribute to some more power plant articles. -- Consectatio (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. There is no any unified requirements which information about solar plants should be included. Basic info for sure, but if there is information about more specific details such as inverters etc, it also belongs to the article. The most important thing is that this information should be supported by reliable sources. I hope this answer is helpful and I hope to see you contributing also for other articles. Beagel (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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pity
the west australian project did in the past have a sort of interpreter or two of the labyrinthian if not byzantine pile of weird company changes in the energy sector - but it seems as though they no longer edit or no longer interested... both the gas and electricity ownership and shenanigans need careful unfolding like some rubrics cube needing interpretation - to get an easy explanation might require going piece by piece through online financial press records - which i am not sure how to do - sorry cannot help more... re alinta et al SatuSuro 09:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Gulf of Arabia
Thanks for getting that figured out. INeverCry  19:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Sicily-Malta Interconnector
Hi Beagel, thanks for correcting my mistake and removing the flags from the infoboxes, I had no idea (on the Italian wiki works the other way round) and will rememeber in future. Just one question: Why does it say that it starts in Malta and not Sicily? The interconnector will bring electricity from Ragusa's exsiting substation to Maghtab and the rest of the island. It's Sicily that has a overproduction of electricity and not Malta and I would have thought that the "main" flow of the current would have to be considered. Thnaks.--Sal73x (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The interconnector will work both ways, so both ends are correct. Putting Malta as a starting point is for the reason that the project is implemented by the electricity company of Malta. Beagel (talk) 10:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I get why the above and I understand that if the project exist is because Malta needs electricity and is Malta connecting to the Italian grid but all the Italian documents say Italia-Malta (example: here, here) and it is really unlikely that Malta will ever supply energy to Sicily. Are there rules like for for the roads where in wiki.it they generally get listed north-south? Just to have a future reference. I have tried to find some official documents from an external point of view (not Maltese nor Italian) but even the EU docs available on-line are saying Malta-Sicily, Italy-Malta, Sicily-Malta, Malta-Italy and don't help to clarify the order. And last, would it not be more correct to say Italy instead of Sicily? Thanks.--Sal73x (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no that kind of rule by my knowledge. However, as I said it is correct to say both ways, so if you feel that it would be better other way around, I have no objections. Beagel (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Beagel. It's only a detail and the substance doesn't change. I rather wait and see for the next developments of the project on find some official documents. Thanks again.--Sal73x (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Uranium
Please reconsider your deletion, Rosie and I have moved it to Uranium mining in Namibia and removed most of the essay. Best solution would now be to delete the capital letter original title and close AFD.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Request for help concerning energy...
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Template:Infobox dam
Thanks for my welcome to wikipedia. The Template:Infobox dam is protected. Can you tell me, please, how to add new foreign language link cs:Šablona:Infobox přehrada to the english template? Thanks: Karel61 (talk) 08:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


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Tamil Nadu Electricity Board
Hi there. Just thought I'll clarify why I do these bold redirects. There isn't an issue of merge here, since this all started with User:Musukundan (which is now indef blocked) copy pasting Tamil Nadu Electricity Board into three articles, TNEB Limited, Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation Limited and Tamil Nadu Transmission Corporation Limited (without attribution of course). He then removed some parts, but in essence introduced very little new material, if at all. As I oppose this bold "split" I reverted it, and per WP:BRD, if the editor still wishes to split, they can start discussion. There is therefore no need to discuss the merge, there is need to discuss the split. There is also zero material to merge anyway, since this is just the material which was split originally. I hope I am making myself clear, it is a bit late. --Muhandes (talk) 18:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I fully agree with you and at the moment your action seems to be the best solution. Beagel (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you agree. I find that an ounce of explanation saves a pound of edit warring so was just playing it safe. The editor was indef-blocked until they get to their senses (which I hope they'll do). --Muhandes (talk) 09:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Shandong Energy
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BP
Hi, in view of your interest in the BP article you might be interested in the current discussion on the Dispute resolution noticeboard about the article lead: [].Rangoon11 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

BP dispute resolution - invite
Hi Beagle,

Wanted to ask you to join us as we try to rework the BP intro. We're working specifically on the third paragraph and making sure no bias exists in the Lede, and the article in general. Your help would be greatly appreciated.  petrarchan 47 T c 20:51, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Your suggestion for adding to the History of BP was good, and there is no dispute over adding it. Sorry no one addressed it in the Dispute Resolution. I would suggest to go ahead and make the changes.  petrarchan 47 T c 00:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Beagle, I could not find the talk page section discussing why BP loss of half their stock price after the Gulf spill was not appropriate for the article. Can you point me to it?  petrarchan 47 T c 01:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the relevant discussion. Beagel (talk) 07:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe I wasn't clear, I was referring to this.  petrarchan 47 T c 21:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is exactly what I mean. Beagel (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Could you copy and paste the exact text you're referring to?  petrarchan 47 T c 22:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found it. I've replied to you at the talk page.  petrarchan 47 T c 23:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Question about editing Dolphin Energy page
Dear Beagel,

I work for the communications team of Dolphin Energy, and have tried to update the details to reflect current position of the company. I have been careful to use objective and factual information from the Dolphin Energy website, and cited third party sources where applicable.

On uploading the details, I have noticed that you have edited and reverted to the original content. I am unclear why this is. Has there been an oversight on our part?

I am keen to receive your feedback, so we may take this forward.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saranadnoam (talk • contribs) 04:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, Wikipeadia is an encyclopedia not a tool for corporate promotion. Copied text from the company website was clearly promotional and not encuclopedic. Second, the text at the company website is copyrighted which is not suitable for Wikipedia. Even if you say you work for the company, it does not mean you necessarily have permissions to add this text here. For copyright issues, please see WP:COPYRIGHT. Third, by your copy-paste edit you removed all wiki-formattings (links etc) in this article. Fourth, as a member of the communications team of Dolphin Energy, you have conflict of interest and therefore, according to the Wikipedia policies, you should avoiding (mass) editing of articles related to your organization. I encourige you to add proposed changes to the talk page of the article and let other editors to decide which changes to implement. Please see WP:COI to learn how to avoid conflict of interest. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response Beagle. We will definitely look into this and ensure our edits are more suited to wikipedia policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saranadnoam (talk • contribs) 06:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Scarabeo 9
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Hydraulic fracturing > Hydraulic Fracturing
corrected the spelling of the title, not sure why you moved it back. Hoping you could shed some light on this? S1id3r0 (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:TITLE. Beagel (talk) 21:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I did see that
 * Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper noun 
 * Hydraulic Fracturing, is indeed a proper noun. see:

Proper_noun > nominal
 * If it was being used as a industry term it would be hydro-fracturing not the two word phrase in the title, it has only just started to be used in this way, primarily in the media (on each side of the controversy). So there for it is a phrase, acting as a proper noun. Fracturing - would be an entirely separate process, normal assumed to be "naturally occurring".  as you can see: correctly referred to on the Fracture_(geology) page.  As you can see by a simple google search, the community seems to agree: https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=hydraulic+fracturing+

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 * The policy talks about proper name, not about proper noun. This is not a proper name. I also would like to ask you to continue the discussion at the article talk page. Beagel (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Scarabeo 9
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Precious

 * Thank you very much for this gem and your kind words. Beagel (talk) 09:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request on Consol Energy Article
Hi Beagel. I have suggested an addition to the  Consol Energy article. I noticed you have done some editing to the article in the past, so I was hoping you could take a look at it. As disclosed on the talk page, I have a WP:COI, and I would appreciate any help. Thanks. Namk48 (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking out the addition Beagel. Due to my WP:COI I am limiting my activity to suggesting additions. Could you possibly implement the addition? Thanks. Namk48 (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Silmet
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Talkback
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Poompuhar Shipping Corporation Limited‎
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Above mentioned page has been a place for dispute. It is now given references and citations. I've also removed the tags which you've placed. May I request you to visit and voice out. --BabuOnWiki (talk) 13:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Carbon capture and storage
Hi Beagel, I wonder if you could look at the CCS page please. A new editor is trying to do a "major rewrite", with the subsequent loss of much sourced material, instead of just editing the article in the usual way. A Talk page comment from you would be greatly appreciated. Johnfos (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:WikiProject Energy
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UK/Scotland in energy infoboxes
Hi Beagel, I expected somebody to notice my change from Scotland, UK to only UK in the infoboxes. My interest is to make these boxes consistent and clear. I noticed that some had only UK, while clearly located in Scotland. I'm fine with Scotland too, but it should be consistent. There seems to be a lot of discussion on whether Scotland is a country or not. My suggestion would be either to use Scotland or UK, not Scotland, UK. And since UK is larger, I chose the latter. Ligtvoet (talk) 14:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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BP US operations
Hi Beagel, I noticed your comments on the BP Talk page. Since you seem interested in helping to add more useful information to the BP article, I wondered if you would be able to review proposed material regarding the company's operations? In my user pages I have prepared a new draft for the US operations. If you're able, I welcome your review and ask that you make any comments on the BP Talk page where I have also added a request. Thanks. Arturo at BP (talk) 20:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I answered to you at the BP's talk page. Beagel (talk) 09:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Energy Charter Treaty
Sorry for not putting in explanations. I am new to editing, and I started with the complete reformatting and rewriting of the Energy Charter Treaty article, because it was and still is in a horrible shape.

I wanted to make the map larger as to see, at least a bit, which nations participate in the multilateral treaty that the energy charter is, you know the primary purpose of a map. I apologize, when I re-edit a change by another editor I will provide explanations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainad (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion about oil shale
Dear Beagel, Thanks for the correction on the Environmental impact of the oil shale industry. I thought hydraulic fracturing was used for instance in the Bakken formation. That is how I understand the Bakken formation article. Is that not the case?

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Julienbc (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Bakken shale is not oil shale. While the Green River Formation includes oil shale, the Bakken Formation is oil bearing shale. Oil shale is a solid sedimentary rock which contains kerogen from which synthetic shale oil could be produced. Oil bearing shales are shales containing natural gas or natural oil (rude oil) reservoirs. The gas produced from these shales are known as shale gas while produced oil is known as tight oil. For latter, the term shale oil is also sometimes used, but this is incorrect as the term 'shale oil' has been used in the meaning of synthetic oil produced from oil shale since the work of Selique and Young in the 19th century. It is also terms used by scientific journals, including Oil Shale journal, and industries.


 * Definition of shale oil by Britannica: "shale oil, in fossil fuel production, either a synthetic crude oil that is extracted from oil shale by means of pyrolysis or a naturally occurring crude oil that is extracted from underground shale deposits by means of fracking (hydraulic fracturing)."


 * The analysis in Forbes U.S. Might Have More Oil Resources Than Saudi Arabia, But... The Difference Between Oil Shale and Oil-Bearing Shale says: "The oil that is being produced from these [Bakken and Eagle Ford] shale formations is sometimes improperly referred to as shale oil. ... This oil is properly called “tight oil“. ... The term shale oil has been used for over 100 years to describe a very different resource."


 * I hope that helps. Beagel (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It helps indeed! I got confused between 'oil shale' and the improper use of 'shale oil'... I will stick to the term 'tight oil' from now on to avoid confusion.


 * Thanks a lot! Julienbc (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Beagle, I noticed a while back that you set the BP talk page archival to 60 days. Since we are in such a heated debate there it does seem a good idea. Now the bot is archiving things at 20 days. Could you change it back to 60? I have no idea how that's done.  petrarchan47  t  c   01:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It was set for 20 days not by me. However, I strongly support to keep shorter archiving period at the moment and set it back for longer period when the talk page is becoming less dynamic. Before it was set for 20 days, there were 28 discussion sections. At the moment there are 20 discussion sections. It is too much for easy navigation at the talk page and keeping the whole talk page readable. I think that all active participants watch this article actively, so there is probably no problem with archiving the discussion if during almost three weeks nobody bothered to comment. Beagel (talk) 04:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That sure does make sense, however it was for the mediation team, not for the present group of editors that I thought it would be helpful.  petrarchan47  t  c   20:26, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * On that note, Beagle, are you happy to go ahead and file the mediation? I think all the major players are on board, it should be fine to do, and none too soon :)   petrarchan47  t  c   23:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Infobox power station
Howdy. I seem to have some free time these days... What's the fields you'd like to be added? Feel free to post the suggestion here, my talkpage, or at the infobox talkpage. I'll do my best in putting it together bit-by-bit everyday. I finish work early these days heheh. :D See you around. Reh man  08:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I meant wave farm specific fields. I try to find the old discussion about this topic and will post my proposals later today or tomorrow. But of course, your ideas about wave farm specific fields are most welcome. Beagel (talk) 08:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries :) Reh  man  09:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I started relevant discussion here. Beagel (talk) 21:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Energy infrastructure by year of completion
Based on some discussions, I might support a rename of Category:Energy infrastructure by year of completion to Category:Power infrastructure by year of completion. I just wonder if this would be ambiguous. So if you have a better idea drop me a note. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if I understand the reason for this renaming. Renaming these categories will exclude pipelines, refineries, LNG plants, oil terminals etc. That means that we should create a separate category tree for these facilities which by my understanding is unnecessary (at the moment). Also, that means we should change a parent directory (Category:Energy infrastructure) for these categories. In overall, without more arguments I would oppose this proposal. Is there any open Cfd about this proposal? Beagel (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No open CfD, but the current one (power v energy) got me to thinking which is not always a good thing. I felt it was better to ask since I'm still creating and adding to this part of the structure.  I think a lot more remains to be found and added so better to proceed in the right direction. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the discussion power versus energy is quite complicated but in case of infrastructure the distinction is more easier to establish. I think that probably we should continue at the moment with Category:Energy infrastructure by year of completion and later, if necessary, it is possible to create subcategories Category:Power infrastructure by year of completion and Category:Fuel infrastructure by year of completion. But at the moment I personally don't see any urgent need for this. Beagel (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct, and I'm not sure when those would be populated. The biggest problem to this seems to be the fact that many buildings and structures are not being placed in any by year category or in by year categories that are not in the building and structure trees.  So what you find by combing through the building and structures tree is only the tip of the iceberg. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Beagel, thanks for your review of the Worldwide / Other countries draft that I proposed last week. Since then I have made some of the changes you suggest and left a longer reply to explain these on the BP Talk page. Would you mind taking another look at the draft now? Thanks. Arturo at BP (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi again Beagel, have you been able to look at the updated Other countries draft and my reply on the BP Talk page? There have not been any other comments, so I will also ask Rangoon11 to review the draft. I hope one of you can move it into the article if it is suitable. Thanks. Arturo at BP (talk) 23:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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Energy related articles concerning Belgium
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TNEB Limited
hi user please i request u not redirect TNEB Limited to Tamil Nadu Electricity Board. because both are different organisation. so different articles are needed ...to know more see official website of TNEB Limited.................Muniyankaruppan (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Restructuring the company is not itself a reason for a new article duplicating most of the information already presented in the existing article. Please try to explain at the talk page how the article is different from the existing one instead of reacreating it against of consensus. Beagel (talk) 23:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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 * I answered at the article's talk page. Beagel (talk) 07:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Beagel, thank you again for looking at this request. Since it seems that you and Martin Hogbin are in agreement regarding my shortened version, I was wondering if you would be able to use it to replace the existing section if Hogbin hasn't already done so? Thanks. Arturo at BP (talk) 05:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

TNEB Limited
regarding this article redirection please don't redirect this article TNEB Limited to Tamil Nadu Electricity Board both are separate entity ..........thanking you Muniyankaruppan (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There was consensus that these article should be merged. It is the same entity, just restructured, and this alone is not a reason for separate articles. Please explaine at the article's talk page why a separate article is needed when it still contains the same information (mainly about restructuring). Also, please do not copy-paste material into articles as you did, this is copyvio and is not toelrated in the Wikipedia. Also, please do not make a copy-paste page moves. If the move is needed, use a special function for this. And again, please discuss it. Beagel (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Beagel, thanks for assisting on my creation of the page AP Bank. I wanted to create AP Bank rather than Ap bank but wasn't sure how so I'm delighted you did, could you advise me for the future how to do so? Then, I fixed all the disambiguation links, so the next issue is you tagged it as an advert, I've ensured there are a lot of legitimate external third party references and thought the tone was very factual, could you advise me on other elements that I could improve to remove this tag? Much appreciated. Readyforlara (talk) 11:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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Dead links at DWH spill
Hi Beagle, I think I can find cached versions of most articles. However, it would help tremendously if you would post the articles you've tagged with "dead link" in a list on the talk page. Otherwise, one has to scroll through the edit history - which is incredibly time consuming. Thanks for finding these, by the way.  petrarchan47  t  c   22:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * The tags don't appear until the link is clicked on, but I can do a "find in page" search to find them. Cheers   petrarchan47  t  c   04:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Pardon me, I bet the reason I can't see the tags is that I'm using an iPhone. Nevermind.   petrarchan47  t  c   04:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hii I think that we have to merge Kothagudem Thermal Power Station and Kothagudem Thermal Power Station V Stage article Perumalism   Chat  17:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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Neyveli Thermal Power Station
hi Neyveli Thermal Power Station 1 and Neyveli Thermal Power Station 2 coordinate different location so we have to create difference page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perumalism (talk • contribs) 08:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. It would be enough to have just two infoboxes in on article, e.g. see Narva Power Plants. Beagel (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2012 (UTC)