User talk:Bleaney/Archive 2013

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Oasis Academy :Shirley Park
Oasis Academy :Shirley Park is the name used by the organization, including signage, letters ect. It is therefor the name the artical should use. 82.43.51.8 (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Oasis Academy

 * Bump... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atban3000 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Where can I access ofsted entries? Atban.3000   write me  19:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That appears to be the webpage software, it would not display the colon if it was/is there. However as the 'about us' page has also indicated, I think it can stay the same. Atban.3000   write me  20:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So am I :) - On a related note, would you say then that the Wintringham artical should be set the same way?... Atban.3000   write me  20:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to have a redirect in place on that page, so I'm putting in a Requested Move on the WP:RM page. Atban.3000   write me  20:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Your lead reversion at Jill Marsden (EastEnders)
Paul MacDermott requested a copyedit for this article in November on the GOCE requests page (we have a backlog). Although it's a GA, the prose needs a fair amount of work; the plot summaries, in particular, are overly detailed and give the article a crufty appearance. My incremental changes in the lead were reverted by you using Twinkle with the summary, "Reverted to revision 530700223 by ZippyGirl: Present tense is used for fiction (TW))".

I know that present tense is used for fiction (although this can indicate an in-universe style, which is discouraged); however, none of my edits changed present tense to past. WP:MASSRV states, "...revert a good faith edit only after careful consideration". Reverting is primarily intended to deal with vandalism. All the best,  Mini  apolis  23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Greek museums
Yes, I have the list in my watchlist and keep monitoring your edits. You are doing a great job and I am collecting the articles you are adding in a user page to give them a round of checks. I already see a few candidates for AfD and several for notability tags. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 21:05, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Joining Wikiproject
How may I join the WikiProject for EastEnders? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercyme22 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Huguenot
This is regarding the section Exodus/England on the Wikipedia page, Huguenot. My interest and area of expertise is lace, lacemaking and its history, and on 16 September 2012 I made a change to the Huguenot page, replacing the part-sentence "Huguenots greatly contributed to the development of lace-making in Bedfordshire" by "It is often asserted that the Huguenots contributed to the development of lace-making in this area, but there is no historical evidence to support this."

If I understand the page history correctly, you reverted this, with the explanation, "There are references you just ignore them!." As someone new to Wikipedia editing at the time, I did not know how to respond, but I now gather that I should attempt to resolve this dispute by starting a discussion on your talk page. This I am now doing.

Could you please be specific about the "references" you say that I am ignoring. I can see no numbered references associated with the sentence I replaced. Are they somewhere else on the page? If there is sound historical evidence to support this then I am clearly wrong and the page should include these references. However I think we have an obligation to discuss the validity of any references to ensure that they are not just repetition of unsupported statements from books such as "The Romance of the Lace Pillow" (Thomas Wright). --Socialambulator (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference you posted on my talk page, but I think that the pertinent material in this does not represent local historical research from the museum, but is drawn entirely from the Thomas Wright book I mentioned. I'm not sure that you saw my proposal to unify this discussion, but I have gone ahead and transferred it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Huguenot. I explain there my reasons for thinking that book is the source, and suggest that if this is agreed we can discuss it and the 19th century books which are the source for most later statements on this subject. --Socialambulator (talk) 10:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Hilfiger High School
Well spotted. What drew your attention to it? It annoys me when hoaxes linger for years, while people tidy the article up and correct the spelling, but never think to check whether there is any substance to it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week
User:Horologium submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:


 * has been quietly fixing all sorts of articles relating to schools; he has de-orphaned articles, added wikilinks where appropriate, created redirects, added categories, and created an array of useful templates. And that's just one of the several areas in which he is active; he's also been busy creating and expanding articles in Bedfordshire, creating articles on historic buildings worldwide, and started almost 60 articles on British prisons. He has amassed over 45,000 edits, and outside of a couple of barnstars in 2010 and 2011, doesn't seem to be getting much in the way of recognition for all of his work. Horologium  (talk) 05:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * You are just the kind of editor we were thinking of when we founded this project a few months ago. Congratulations, and keep up your fantastic work! Go   Phightins  !  21:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


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Article Feedback deployment
Hey Bleaney; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The Elstree UTC
Hi, you made some edits to this new page which I need to revert, but I thought I would tell you why first. The legal name is The Elstree UTC and UTCs are not permitted to call themselves University Technical Colleges. Also, UTCs are legally academies. Best wishes charlesjsharpCharlesjsharp (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks for your reply on my talk page. The sources for my information are the Sponsor, the Baker Dearing Trust and DfE Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

First ever Brighton Wiki Meetup
You are invited to the first Brighton Wiki Meetup which will take place at The West Quay, Brighton Marina Village, Brighton BN2 5UT on Sunday 28 April 2013 from 1.00 pm. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Brighton topics. Bring your laptop if you like and use the free Wifi or just bring yourself. Even better, bring a friend! Click the link for full details. Looking forward to seeing you. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The Grange, Monmouth
Blearney, you just changed the category on this page to "Defunct schools in Monmouthshire", and I can't understand why. The building is being used by a school that still seems operational, Monmouth School, although not for classes any longer, and the paragraph where it discusses the school (and links to the school) doesn't seem to indicate that it's defunct, just that a new campus is being used. I don't want to change it back unilaterally; could you please let me know your reasoning for making the change? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

ARK Kings Academy
Thanks mate, my first article so hopefully I can create and edit more pages in the future. You keep up your own great work too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonschool (talk • contribs) 21:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Chobham Academy
Is at Articles for deletion/Chobham Academy. Pam D  08:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Peter Mileham
I noticed you re-edited Yorkshire Coast College alumni, whilst I agree some on the page may not be as notable as others i.e Rob Whalley, who was World Duathalon Champion (Dallas), in the 1990's & Richard Seymour, inventor of the cordless kettle, I do think Peter Mileham should be, having being in a number of high profile roles & warranting a mention in Who's Who. I appreciate that he doesn't have a Wiki page (to date I've never started one, only edited), but looking at many other articles, I'm not sure that it is vital, so long as it is verifiable, not vandalism or completely pointless. Clearly nobody wants a list of random names, but it would also be somewhat frustrating to not include people who do meet the criteria

"Bob" Lister
Hi, I watched the episode where Mr Lister's first name was revealed but I only heard Ian call him Robert. I've watched the scenes a couple of times and can still only find him called Robert, but I don't want to watch the whole episode again. Could you tell me the approximate timing of the "Bob" reference? I just want to hear it for myself. – anemone projectors – 17:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Bleaney

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

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Dolce Vito – Dream Restaurant
Do you know what to do with Dolce Vito – Dream Restaurant? It's been virtually untouched since you nominated it for deletion. Someone just recently proposed it to be returned to being a biography article. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 22:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * * Wayland Academy disambiguation

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 * Rosie was married to Mike Swann (Mark Wingett), and they had two children, Mickey and Dawn Joe Swash and Kara Tointon. While they were still very young, Mike left Rosie and wasn't

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 * * William Perkin Church of England High School a new secondary free school opening in September 2013 http://www.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Local-News TV


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West London Academy
It's a bit of a muddle isn't it? My original edit was in respect of this Reference Desk query, which (as usual) meandered off-topic a little. Sorry, I have no idea of the source that I used, but a quick Google shows "Gaz, who went to Walford High, now the site of West London Academy in Northolt..." and "The previously Walford school, which became the Compton, has been re-established as the West London Academy.". I'll have another look when I have time. Cheers, Alansplodge (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries. I suspect that East Enders might have had something to do with the name change anyway. Alansplodge (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Me again; I've found when the school was founded and established who "Compton" was. The only missing bit of the jigsaw is the date of change to the comprehensive system - probably mid-1970s but I can't pin it down! Alansplodge (talk) 12:59, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. Alansplodge (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Yongsan International School of Seoul (YISS) Edit
I noticed that you deleted the edits I made to the list of international schools article. You did that with no absolute reason and even if I only gave a link to the school website and a list of schools in Seoul as a reference, you didn't even bother checking if the school actually existed you only reverted the edits.

Here is a link to a website belonging to the Seoul Metro government: http://english.seoul.go.kr/gtk/news/reports_view.php?idx=1154. I think you should check it out just to be sure about the validity of my edit. I hope its good enough.

Thanks Nairobi123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:05, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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University Academy OF Birkenhead.
Following the post on my page, as it is my school, and I go there everyday, while you sit on a computer editing stuff, I go there and have 6955657 more information about it than you. If you don't care if its 'my school' and you saying its not 'my article', well it's not yours either. You didn't create it. Looking st you're page, you've got a 'thing' with editing pages on schools, but getting a lot of information wrong.

UAB is short for University Academy of Birkenhead. Notice all the other UCAT academy's have 'of' in them? So does UAB. That is settled. When someone goes to a wiki page, they want too know everything. Who the principal is, what kind of people they have there. Do they have a unit? When did this happen, or when did that happen? They want top know everything. I typed everything. Therefore, I suggest you edit you're own pages, and pages what are around you're local area. A website doesn't show everything, a person with eyes and ears does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattythomass (talk • contribs) 02:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm discussing this at my talk page. If you want to respond, can you do it there to keep the discussion from getting too split up? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Max]] (Jake Wood) alive. However this soon ends and Sean begins dating Roxy Mitchell Rita Simons who becomes pregnant. Roxy gives birth to Amy, however initially

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 * form]] with academy status, located in St Neots, Cambridgeshire, England. The name of this school was originally 'Ernulf Community College', but in September 2004

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 * providers/full/(urn)/115359 Colchester Royal Grammar School]. Ofsted. Retrieved 29 July 2009
 * * Song Competition a recent event that has been running for the past few years, based on various themes (including [[

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Template:Schools in Kent
So what is the difference between a Secondary Modern/High School and a Comprehensive/Non-selective school other than in local opinion? Curriculum is pretty much the same. Ownership/admin structures pretty much the same. Neither select on ability. Is there any difference to an outsider in reality? Atlas-maker (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You see I don't find it confusing at all, cos for me there are 2 types of school in the state sector in Kent, those that select on ability and those that don't. But KCC makes a further distinction, categorising all those that are not under their funding control as Acamemies. I think it is very confusing to use arbitrary distinctions in the categorisation of the templates. You have linked the "High school" label to the secondary modern school article. But the lede of that article defines such a school as

"... a type of secondary school that existed in England ... until the early 1970s, under the Tripartite System ..."
 * So by our definition, these schools no longer exist. But you have categorised a bunch of schools as such. And the Academies have been defined as Comprehensives for some reason? By the definition we use for comps, most Academies and the non-grammars are comps because they don't select. But some are partially selective.
 * The labelling of the categorisations needs to change. It really needs better definition. I'd suggest grammars, academies and the rest. And I'd lose the bi-lateral categorisation as its only another type of partial selection. 3 groups. Acadamies. Grammars. Others. Atlas-maker (talk) 07:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Wedding of Victoria, Princess Royal, and Prince Frederick of Prussia|a royal wedding took place that was designed to align the fortunes of Europe's two most important powers, Great Britain and

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Can I remind you that Wikiepdia is an independent organisation, not owned by Campion School, Hornchurch. It is not appropriate for the school to amend their own article, nor should promotional fluff be added to the article. Please desist from this type of editing or I will take steps to have you blocked from editing wikipedia. Bleaney (talk) 11:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Schools in ... templates
I notice you have created a number of pages listing schools in England and Wales, and also template boxes for various counties/education authorities. Whilst state-funded primary and secondary schools are listed separately, independent schools are all included under one heading (at least for Schools in Kingston-upon-Thames which is my interest).

A number of areas have pre-existing "Schools in ..." pages which (at least in the case of Surrey) have independent schools separated by age range: this is clearly more informative. As a result, where you have moved a school from e.g. "Schools in Surrey" to "Schools in Kingston-upon-Thames", this has resulted in a loss of information on the summary page, a retrograde step.

I would like to improve the "Schools in Kingston-upon-Thames" page by resorting into headings ... and adding some details (e.g. some single sex schools have mixed sixth forms), unless you have any better suggestions? MisterAnchovy (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * State-funded Primary Schools
 * Special Schools
 * Independent Schools
 * Independent Secondary Schools
 * Independent Primary Schools

Addition/deletion List of International Schools
Good day, Firstly I am new to writing in Wikipedia, so if this isn't the right place to establish a dialogue with you, an apology as well as a request to be pointed in the right direction. I added Colegio Franco Mexicano, Guadalajara, Jalisco to the list of International  Schools which was promptly reverted by you. The reason cited is

I noticed there is no Wikipedia entered for the CFM. Is this the reason for the reversal? I believe this School should be listed here as it is an important school sanctioned by the Agence pour l'enseignement français à l'étranger with a long tradition of bilingual education in Guadalajara. BTW I am not associated with the CFM, although my daughter does attend it. Should an entry for th CFM be created first? I'd appreciate your help in creating better contributions to Wikipedia. Thank you Lvilla7 Lvilla7 (talk) 23:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bleany, thanks for your welcome and prompt clarification. BTW is this the right place to continue this conversation? I'll work on the CFM article first then. best Lvilla7 (talk) 00:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your comments. As I quickly discovered, wiki policy requires citation links for references to be provided generously throughout all articles. As for category placings, I am guided by information currently provided by the most reliable sources available online, often government websites, both national and local. I am by no means an expert on schools or their categories, and had no idea that the Specialist schools programme had ended, only that many schools still refer to them, and for this reason I chose to add the specialist and academy categories. It was after finally reading what the terms secondary and comprehensive actually mean, when applied to schools, that I realised, given the current level of miscategorisation of pages in just UK schools alone, all my efforts were futile, even if I had known. I will undo all similar category changes I have made on other school pages. Wicks Steve (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

If you provide me all the pertinent details of the reordering task, I will gladly assist. Wicks Steve (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, let me see if I have this right.

Currently there are the following types of secondary school in England: Comprehensive, Grammar, Foundation, CTC, VA, VC, Independent (Public) and Academies.

Comprehensive schools are state-funded with no selective admission process.

Grammar schools are state-funded with a selective admission process.

Foundation schools, often previously VCs, are state-funded with the governing body having greater control over staffing and admission policy.

City Technology Colleges are state-funded, independent of local authority control, overseen directly by the DfE, having a fifth of the capital costs met by private business sponsors, who also own or lease the buildings.

Voluntary Aided (VA) schools are partly state-funded and maintained, in buildings usually Roman Catholic owned, who also maintain a substantial influence in the running of the school.

Voluntary Controlled (VC) schools are state-funded, controlled by the LEA, in buildings usually owned by the CofE.

Independent schools are self financing and self governing.

Academies are directly funded by the DfE, independent of direct control by the LEA, self-governing and can receive additional support from personal or corporate sponsors.

Grammar schools can also be academies and some ex grammar schools still keep the title.

I will continue to research to ensure changes remain consistent. Wicks Steve (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I will do my best to maintain consistency, and make a note of those I'd prefer to leave due to any ambiguities.

I made a minor edit to Simon Langton Grammar in order to keep it consistent with the changes to Mayfield Grammar. Wicks Steve (talk) 00:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Again I made a minor edits to Simon Langton Grammar as well as Mayfield Grammar, this time re-adding references to specialisms purely in an historic context in order to maintain consistency with other school pages. Wicks Steve (talk) 06:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there an easy way to list the Academies Categories, rather than compiling a list of all counties and remembering to check for alternates, like Academies_in_Swindon?
 * I found the answer = Category:Academies_in_England

And from these you want me to remove all other Categories which include reference to any of the following: Arts College, Business and Enterprise College, Engineering College, Humanities College, Language College, Mathematics & Computing College, Music College, Science College, Sports College and Technology College?

Wicks Steve (talk) 18:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I will be adding LEA and dfeno (and any other) to each if missing. Wicks Steve (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I got sidetracked creating a separate page for Egglescliffe School, in County Durham. I will now remove all LEA entries that I added for Academies, and continue with the original task. Wicks Steve (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Re Specialisms and LEAs: If you click on a school's DfE number, then look at the bottom of the schoolsfinder.direct.gov.uk page for the school you can still see LEAs listed for Academies, and under Features: you can still see the term "Has a specialism", then the Specialisms:, that must mean they are still relevant.

Wicks Steve (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded and used file and image thumbs before but how does it work for a school crest using just the filename, do all uploads just become commons? Oh. and that thing about specialisms wasn't just about academies. Wicks Steve (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I came across a category listing school specialities and meant to ask at the time, but as usual was so quickly side-tracked. Was I mistaken in thinking it was your intention to phase out such categories?

Regards to your request, as mentioned just now I get so quickly side-tracked, what progress have you made? I have no way of finding this out.

And I can't believe you are addicted to EastEnders :O

Wicks Steve (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

So all uses of the term Comprehensive school are going? I have been removing the 2 specialist items from the old template and adding most of the new items that were missing, even if the item is not filled, but probably not enough schools to have even made a dent in the total ha ha.

Wicks Steve (talk) 01:06, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

So what should I use to replace the word comprehensive?

Wicks Steve (talk) 00:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Doing the right thing?
Hi, Bleaney, I was just wondering why you removed my edit from List of schools in Tower Hamlets. I am afraid I am at a loss to know why you did this as you did trouble to provide an adequate edit summary, add anything to the article talk page, or drop me a note on my talk page. I would be grateful if you would restore the item while we discuss whatever problem you have with my edit. Cheers! Leutha (talk) 21:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding this edit, I updated based on the latest episode broadcast at the time where it was apparent that the relationship was over and there was no hint that there would be a reunion. Having avoided spoilers, I assumed (as most viewers probably would have done) that that was it for Ian and Denise, and I don't feel I was being hasty and "report the minutae of every episode", which I'm always against doing. (However, I think this can be helpful to make sure storylines aren't forgotten - unimportant details can be removed later. Some article don't get updated for months, so things can easily be forgotten, especially when someone adds the latest episode whilst ignoring the last six months that weren't added yet. Syed's departure hadn't even been added to his article until I did it the other day, a year after he left.) – anemone projectors – 11:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree - at the end of the episode (when Denise found out) she ran upstairs. She didnt leave him, and while it was clear that Denise was upset, it was ambiguous if she would leave him. And in fact, as we discovered at the beginning of the next episode, she didn't leave him, she stayed the night! She did leave him during the course of that episode, but by the end of the episode she had walked into is house, and that was how it was left!!! So actually we need accuracy, and not our own interpretations... Bleaney (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I didn't see her run upstairs. I thought she walked out the door. I was obviously wrong, and I was confused when I saw she had stayed the night in the next episode. And if I hadn't updated after the episode where I thought she walked out, I wouldn't have said they broke up. But she did tell Ian to stay away from her. This wasn't my own interpretation in any way. If what I thought I saw was what actually happened, you'd have probably come to the same conclusion. At least, I hope you can see it from my point of view. – anemone projectors – 20:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ahh but you did use your own interpretation AP, because as you have admitted, you didn't actually see her leave him (or run upstairs), so based on what you had seen before you assumed she had left him. It doesn't matter anyway, I dont get always right myself. You were probably right to change my edit about Joey and Janine because we didnt actually see them have sex... my only defence is that you never really see soaps characters have sex, and the viewer is often left to assume that if a couple are kissing passionately at the end of a scene/episode we are to take that as code for then they had sex. Anyways its all gravy. I had no idea some of the recently left characters were not updated, ill have a review of the 2012/13 leavers and see if there are any unfinished endings at the weekend. Are the lists of minor characters for 12/13 generally up to date or should the lists be reviewed? Anyway.. i'm going to watch tonights episode now... Bleaney (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought I saw her leave. If it's what had happened it wouldn't have been my own interpretation. But the point is, if I had been right, I wouldn't have been "report[ing] the minutae of every episode". I understand why you thought that's what I was doing though. I don't want to get into an argument, I just want you to see that's not what I was trying to do. If I had correctly seen her go upstairs (I must have taken my eye off the screen for a moment), then I wouldn't have written what I wrote. As for sex, well yes we can assume that Joey and Janine had sex, but they only got to the kissing stage by the end of that episode, so saying they had sex would essentially be reporting on the next episode that hadn't aired yet. I think it's clear they've had sex at least twice now. It was implied they were about to have sex though, so perhaps I should have left it in. The lists are generally ok, though I know Betty Spragg needs updating. I did Ollie recently. But I want the 2012 and 2013 lists to be full referenced, so after updates, I have to research which episodes they came from. I make notes though, so I can do it. It just takes a bit of time when it's up to six-months worth of storylines. I tend to note down what characters could potentially be updated from each episode and then cross them off when they are, but I don't always go back and do that. Without checking articles but just looking at my notes, it's possible that Zainab, Yasmin, Ayesha, Ray, Jean, Tanya and Tyler may need updates, but hopefully not, and hopefully it's just my notes that are out of date. Argh, it's annoying that we get into these silly arguments. I don't like it, because I really really appreciate the hard work you put in making updates. – anemone projectors – 09:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Dont worry AP, its only because were both passionate about Wikipedia... and also to be fair, I think we are both used to being authorities in the the respective areas that we mostly work on Wikipedia, and perhaps were both not used to having someone else who does know Wikipedia challenge us! ;) But i'm way past taking our little differences personally. I definately know Tyler needs some work as its very non-wikipedia language at the end of his storyline roundup, and I will try to do some work on the ones you mentioned over the weekend (although attending a Doctor Who party tomorrow so we will see!). And I really appreciate all your EE stuff on here AP, you are a star. - Bleaney (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well Doctor Who is very important too :-) Hopefully those characters don't need much work, if any! I think it's quite cool that I sometimes see your name pop up in other articles I watch/edit, it's possibly because we probably live quite close to each other and edit stuff that's local to us as well. For example, you started HM Prison Littlehey and I supplied the photo! – anemone projectors – 18:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah i'm guessing your in Hertfordshire right? I'm in Bedfordshire, so we should probably arrange a meet up some time and then we can put a face to each other! How the hell you keep up with all the X-Factor edits I dont know... must be hell! - Bleaney (talk) 22:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I live in Stevenage. I haven't met any Wikipedians. On one hand I think it would be a bit weird, but on the other, probably a really good thing. X Factor's quite easy really. I'm a bit more dedicated to that than EastEnders at the moment, so hopefully I'll do a bit more EE stuff when it's finished. – anemone projectors – 23:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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