User talk:Diannaa/Archive 4

new entry deletion
Hello Diannaa, You recently deleted our page for North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NABCEP

I am hoping to open a dialogue here with you to get this figured out quickly without bothering you too much. This is our first Wikipedia entry so please forgive our mistakes. We have read the various pages cited about copyrights and so on, and we would like to do whatever is needed to clear it up. Here's a little background. NABCEP is a client of our agency, The Strategic Word, and we submitted this entry on their behalf. Do you need to see something from NABCEP that authorizes us to make this submission? And, even after reading the copyright guidelines, I'm unclear on why NABCEP itself would be violating their own copyright by referencing their own copyrighted materials on their Wiki page. Sorry if I'm missing something here, as I must be!

Since we need to get this Wikipedia page up as soon as possible for our client, we have deleted the footnote reference to the copyrighted document that lead to the the quick deletion, as you can see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jerrysena/NABCEP#About_NABCEP

Is this sufficient to get the page up for now? Then we can deal with whatever we need to do to make it ok to post a link to the NABCEP copyrighted document.

Also, we mistakenly submitted this entry under the organization's acronym, NABCEP, when we meant to have the title be their full name, North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners. Is it possible to get this fixed at the same time we get the new page up sans the offending PDF link? If so, can we get 'NABCEP' Wiki searches redirected to the North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners Wiki page?

Thanks for your help on this, Diannaa, much appreciated.

Jerry Jerrysena (talk) 02:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your interest in creating an article for this organisation for wikipedia. There are several problems with your submission. You cannot post copyright material on Wikipedia even if you are the copyright holder, unless special licensing permissions are in place. That is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, and all content must have the appropriate documentation in place before that can happen. Please see this policy Copyrights which explains how it works. Removing the link will not remove the copyright problem, as the material was copied word for word from copyright material in violation of copyright law.


 * The second problem is notability. I am not sure the organisation is notable enough, as Wikipedia defines it, to have an article. Typically we would require write-ups in reliable third party sources such as newpapers, magazines, or online publishers to establish notability. New articles about persons or organisations that are not notable are typically speedily deleted.


 * The third problem is conflict of interest. Writing an article about your own organisation or that of a client is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view.


 * So if you wish to add the copyrighted content to a Wikipedia article, the proper licenses and permissions will have to be in place. Please see Requesting copyright permission for how that would be done. Or, you could write a new article that does not closely paraphrase the material available on line. And you would have to avoid the conflict of interest guideline while doing so. Even then, chances are that the article would be speedily deleted as not notable enough for an article. Sorry the reply could not be more favourable. Regards, -- Diannaa  (Talk) 03:14, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar from WikiProject Wikify

 * Thank you very much! -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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check pls
Hi Diannaa. Could you please check this out? I'm not sure whether it's a genuine edit, spam, or vandalism. (leave a tb on my TP when you've done). Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 15:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Kudpung. I read through the sources (both of which were blogs) and neither of them mentions a sexual manoeuvre. I have removed the paragraph from the article.


 * Hey, could you do me a favour too? Just a bit above your request here, you will see my reply on a copyright issue under the heading "new article deletion". It took me a while to research and compose this reply but I thought it turned out well, so I had a notion to use it as a starting point for responses to future questions on this topic. Since you have faced similar queries in your work at WP:EAR, I thought if you have a minute you could look it over for completeness and accuracy? Then I will move it to a sub-page at User:Diannaa/Copyright for future use. If you don't have time that's fine but it would be a big help. Thanks. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course. I'll get back to you on it.--Kudpung (talk) 16:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It's very good, I like it. I shall probably plagiarise it ;) --Kudpung (talk) 17:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You betcha. I will move it to the sub-page and you can link to it if you like! Thanks for reviewing it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for NT of Japan
Thank you for copy-editing National Treasures of Japan. I assume that you are done with it, correct? Do you think that it would have a chance at FAC? bamse (talk) 02:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am done. I think there may be some over-linking that you should deal with yourself. It is a long article, and some links will need to appear more than once for that reason. It is close to FA for sure, and probably worth a try. I did notice one dead link marked by a bot that will have to be dealt with first -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will go through the article soon, but will have to wait a bit until I nominate, as I won't be online for a while in the near future. Will probably nominate it around December or so. bamse (talk) 17:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

new entry deletion part two
Hello Diannaa, Thx for the thorough response. I would like to take this another step or two, as I believe that we can satisfy your concerns with a little more work on our part. The three areas of concern:

1. Copyright We can certainly rewrite the offending paragraph now that we understand how the whole copyright issue works. I hope this will work for now (assuming we can satisfy you on all three of these issues) while we work to get the requisite special licensing permissions in place.

2. Notability While of course I cannot be certain, this being our first submission, I have little doubt that NABCEP is 'notable' enough to be included in Wikipedia. NABCEP is the primary certifying entity for renewable energy installers and sales people and is highly valued in this rapidly growing industry. As a mark of its importance and validity, the NABCEP certification is accredited by American National Standards Institute (ANSI). It functions much like these organizations, all of which are in Wiki:

American Academy of Financial Management Association of Chartered Certified Accountants American Institute of Certified Public Accountants American Academy of Environmental Engineers

We can supply you with links to numerous articles in "reliable third party sources such as newpapers, magazines, or online publishers" that mention and discuss NABCEP, and are happy to do so.

3. Conflict of interest I do see now that our relationship to NABCEP would 'red flag' us as potentially being in conflict, but it does look like this is not an iron clad rule, though it is 'discouraged'. We are professional writers, in fact the person who wrote this is a journalist by trade, and we were very careful to make sure our description was neutral, as I believe you would agree it does, in fact, read. If you see any areas that strike you as not neutral, we are happy to change them.

What do you think? I appreciate the extra time you've taken with us here.

Jerry

Jerrysena (talk) 07:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I am looking at the document you have at User:Jerrysena/NABCEP and it looks to me like every part of it is copied directly from http://www.nabcep.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/Central-CIH-7.30.10-rev2.01.pdf. Example: First paragraph:

And now I quote from the pdf file:

The two are identical; every part of the article at User:Jerrysena/NABCEP appears in an almost identical form at http://www.nabcep.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/Central-CIH-7.30.10-rev2.01.pdf. The article would have to be completely re-written.

The second question, notability, is answered here: Notability (organizations and companies). Please read these guidelines carefully and you will see that the organsiation does not meet the notability guidelines as Wikipedia defines them; the organisation may be important but it has not to date attracted notice from reliable sources such as newspapers and magazines. I am posting a question at the Notability/Noticeboard to get other opinions on the notability question. However a decision made at that notice board is not a guarantee that the article will be accepted. Decision making is communal, and it is not up to me either.

Here is some more information about conflict of interest: FAQ/Organizations. I personally don't think the COI problem is a big obstacle either, as the material does not seem promotional in tone. But the other two questions are still obstacles. That's it for now; I have to go to my "day job". -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

My first GOCE drive
Doubtless you’re pretty busy these days, but I’d appreciate it if you could take a glance at my first effort of the backlog-elimination drive, Flag of Iran, and let me know if it’s not up to snuff (aside from the tagged OR / lack of references). I’m not very familiar with the ins & outs of citations: the “Content” section near the end puzzled me, but I left it in for fear of breaking some kind of link functionality. If you could point me somewhere that explains what’s going on there (and how to sort it out) I’d be grateful. And if it’s not too much trouble, please check to make sure I’ve also filled out my drive-contribution template properly in the Totals. Thanks in advance, and BTW congrats re the “mop”. —Odysseus1479 (talk) 10:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, no worries, glad to help. Yeah, the citations are a mess throughout, with bare-links refs and that weird "Content" section. If you click on the section-header "Content" it just bumps you to the top of the article. And if you click on any of the refs in the "Content" section, it just bumps you down to the References section. I have fixed this stuff.
 * Copy editing points: Diagonal quotation marks and apostrophes do funny things to the indexing and should be replaced. I improved a few links. A bit of the punctuation was changed (other than the aforementioned diagonals, which I changed). The work you did was good in my opinion. And your tally sheet is properly filled out as well. Good luck for the drive. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! From many years of setting type I've acquired the habit of using printers' punctuation marks; the vertical quotes on the keyboard are 'special codes' to me (and the marks figuratively shout "Composed by an amateur!" when I'm reading), while my fingers evoke the others more or less spontaneously. I'll have to work on that … Would it be acceptable to use HTML entities (& rsquo ; and so on) instead, or does Wikipedia's style require the 'dumb' quotes? (I hope dashes, ellipses &c. are OK—I use a lot of those as well.) —Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The info on the best punctuation to use is found at WP:PUNCT. "Wiki markup" is preferable to "HTML markup". See WP:Deviations. Best practice: Use Wikimarkup and CSS in preference to alternatives. More info can be found at Help:Wiki markup. Zoiks, there's so much to learn. My brain hurts. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. It seems weird to me that a system that supports hundreds of languages in dozens of scripts has problems with ordinary punctuation … but this is an inappropriate occasion for a rant: off to read those pages so I can whine with authority. ;) —Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

new entry deletion part 3
Diannaa, can we get the current NABCEP Wiki page taken down till we get this resolved?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NABCEP

It's rather embarrassing for all of us to have that there when people search for NABCEP. Is there any reason it has to remain up?

Thanks again for your time on this. Jerry

Jerrysena (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what you mean by "taken down". The page was deleted on October 30. It does not appear as being a Wikipedia article when I do a Google search. There is a page at User:Jerrysena/NABCEP as well; do you want that deleted also? -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:33, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look over Samba
I have been working on Samba for a lot of the day as part of the GoCE drive this month, and I found it was terrible. I am not certain whether it is actually cleaned up now or if that is just by comparison with what it was. So would you mind taking a quick look over it and telling me if it still has problems? (I did tag a few spots with when I had no clue what the article was trying to say.) Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for tackling this complex article. I will say right off the top that I too sometimes remove incomprehensible content outright; it's pointless to leave it in, especially if it's been there for years and the original author is long gone. I will go over the whole article and report back to you what I find out. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is in fairly disastrous shape considering how important an article it is. I have done some further edits. What remains is beyond the scope of copy-editing, so I have removed the tags and called for expert help. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! I think you are right--that article needs attention from somebody who knows about samba music. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

new entry deletion part 4
Diannaa,

OK, I see what's happening. I kept seeing the 'this page has been deleted' page, but I see now that's because I've been logged in. When I am not logged in and search for NABCEP, that info is not there. So all is well on that front. (Isn't it fun dealing with newbies? :-)

Not quite sure why you say NABCEP "has not to date attracted notice from reliable sources such as newspapers and magazines". It has received fairly extensive coverage in the renewable energy trade press. Maybe this does not count? Shall I send you a few links?

And as I said before, it will be easy to rewrite the parts that are too similar to the NABCEP-copyrighted material, now that we know that's a no-no.

Thanks again for your time, Diannaa.

Jerry

Jerrysena (talk) 23:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it would be helpful if you included links to these sources in your new article. It is not necessary to send them to me personally for pre-approval or vetting (I am not the decider); what you need to do is re-write the article in "user space", that is, do a re-write of the article presently living at User:Jerrysena/NABCEP and include them there. Be sure to do a total re-write; even a close paraphrase is a copyright violation. This will be difficult given the material, which is kinda dry and list-like. You don't have to include everything, though; start with a description of who the organisation is and what they do, and for what territory. Include any awards they have won, and be sure to state why they are notable. Then, when you are sure it is ready, create the new "live" article in what we call "main space". Be sure to use your permanent title this time (though this can be fixed if need be). Then you will have to sit back and see what happens. Decision making is communal. Any editor can add the speedy deletion template, or propose the article be deleted using other more lengthy procedures as well. I will be happy to continue to help with this process as you go along, so feel free to keep contacting me. Good luck! Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Block a user on Huggle
Why don't you try to block a vandal on Huggle?  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 02:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some last session. Its the bomb! -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's 10 rpm.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 02:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to the December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive
 Ⓢ ock   00:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Problem article on GOCE Request Page
Merry meet, Diannaa! I offered to do a copyedit on am article from the Request Page, El Salvador national football team. It is a difficult article to copyedit, as it appears that the editors are not native English speakers. I spent a good deal of time on this article, even creating tables, but when I was checking for more information to clarify an unintelligible sentence, I noticed a copyright violation. I halted the copyedit and flagged an Admin. My question is, how do I count this article in my numbers? Thanks!! jsfouche &#9789;&#9790;   talk  05:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * An administrator has already reveiwed and the appropriate experts are going to evaluate the copyright question. As far as counting the article, please count the article and use the word count up to the point you stopped editing. The article is still tagged for copy-edit though so if you would like to revisit it and finish that would be ok too. welcome, by the way, to the copy-editing team and I hope you are enjoying the drive so far. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Patrick Bordeleau
Diannaa,

I just noticed that there is an article about him on the French Wikipedia site. Is it possible to get that translated into English and posted? If so, how would one go about doing that?

Thanks, Weatherman05071 (talk) 14:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * (talk page stalker) You go to the page WP:TRANSLATION and follow the instructions, but much depends whether there is a translator who will be willing to take it on. Good luck.--Kudpung (talk) 14:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Kudpung is wise. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you both Weatherman05071 (talk) 15:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I've done the translation for you. It's at User:Kudpung/Bordeleau (draft). --Kudpung (talk) 15:36, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the help, it is greatly appreciated.Weatherman05071 (talk) 19:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit
Why don't you try the pp-semi template like this: ?  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 19:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I've been looking for this. You will make a great admin some day. Patience, young Jedi. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome and thank you!  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 21:12, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just remember, Wayne: Don't run too early, and don't run unless you know you're ready. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I may run for adminship in January, Utahraptor, and Diannaa please remember to put your signature with four tildes like this: ~ when you give a user or IP address a block template.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 21:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I intentionally did not sign as I thought it was optional. I will research this some, and see what I can find out. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:47, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I found this discussion, which makes it pretty clear that not signing them is a little pointless. So I will sign them from now on. Thanks for the input, Wayne. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 22:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You'll almost certainly have my support too. I've seen all the work you do removing vandal edits. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Vahe Enfiajyan
Hi Diannaa, I see that you deleted this with the reason "one author who has requested deletion or blanked the page". I am the author of the article as it stood before deletion, having rewritten it to avoid a copyright violation, and I certainly did not request deletion. Also the subject clearly passes WP:POLITICIAN as a member of a national legislature. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, the article was created by User:Hrach84, and it was they who blanked the page. However, since you had edited and improved the article in the meantime, it no longer qualifies for a speedy deletion using this criterion. I will restore the article and since it has sources it should not qualify for sppedy deletion under that criterion either. Sorry about the mistake. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

92.28.80.16
Who's sock is this? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know; I have not been following these debates very closely. Geolocates to Liverpool. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:56, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That;s just the provider (it's Carphone Warehouse broadband), although it does mean he's uk mainland based, not in ROI. Its gotta be one of the banned users from the not keen on British Isles side....who's been in the news recently.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like a anonymizer network. I will be starting an investigation at WP:OP. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The BIt
Hi

Only just noticed you have The Bit - congrats !

Hope you still have time for the non-mop ops :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh certainly, I am still on the leader board for the drive, heh heh XD -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

1Malaysia
I disagree with your semiprotection. There were two parties to the edit wars, and the semiprotection just blocked one of them from editing. I understand the reasons for doing it, however the accusations of coatracking have only really been pushed by one editor (the other party), and were disputed by other editors who commented in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive647#Problems_with_IP_editors_at_1Malaysia_adding_and_re-adding_coatrack_content_again_and_again. Ani]. As such I recommend either unprotecting it or moving back to the version before the edit war and full protecting. Thanks, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 05:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought about this one for most of the day before I acted, and here is more information about why I did it the way I did.
 * The IPs are not engaging in discussion on the talk page; there are only three comments by IP editors in the last six months. My hope is that the semi-protection will force some discussion on the talk page.
 * The IPs are adding unencyclopedic content such as "linking the 1Malaysia and One Israel that was concocted by APCO"; "Anwar retaliated by producing the two documents to back up his statements"; "Currently the Malaysian government does not have any diplomatic relations with Israel due to its solidarity with a majority of Arab countries in the Middle East."
 * It is not appropriate for an administrator to look back through the history and choose which version to protect. The usual way is to protect the existing version of the article and not get involved in the actual editing. If you feel there are important sourced facts that are missing from the article, you are free to engage in talk page discussion and editing of the article. Thank you for your comments. If you like, you might get a different uninvolved administrator to review my decision. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP's content was badly written, but I think some should be there.
 * Thanks for the explanation, makes sense to me. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right; there are always two sides but they have to be presented more neutrally and not use loaded words. Now you and the other registered users can work on the article in peace for a while. Or whatever passes for peace here on the wiki ;) See you around. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not incorrect information!!
Iv'e said what i had to say on my title, lol

but yeah, my information is true, please bring me some proof that it's not!! and yeah i dont have any source proof, but it's been brought up the song is based on la bamba. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MajorHawke (talk • contribs) 00:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact I was just checking this out on Babelfish and I still think you are wrong. Check it out yourself! The baby, the Captain, the ocean - "Twist and Shout" has none of these themes. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a question
So, I have a question about the November drive. If we edit an article from the Requests Page, I know it's worth double word count, but do we add the double word count into our grand total word count? Like instead of adding 1000 to our grand total, we add 2000? Please let me know as soon as you can. Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickie4 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what we are going to do for this drive. We may change it for the next one. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickie4 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Mina
Do you not read explanation in edit summary? After you change first time I change back and write explanation. Why so many keep change again but not read explanation? I am not strong English but I think explanation well - please read!
 * I have now read it, and have removed the word "holy" from the article. Sorry, I put the warning on your talk page by mistake. It has now been removed. - Diannaa (Talk) 02:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Tk
Hi i was only saying sorry i dont understand how i vandalised sommeones page by saying sorry is it not the user talk page like this you're meant to say sorry? Thanks :)
 * The problem is that you inadvertently removed some content at the same time, and thus your edit looked like vandalism. You just did it again, here on my talk page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

but how do you add a bit? i kept having to edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tksnackz (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well you did fine that time. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

About Reviewing Others' Edits in the GoCE Drive
I just have a question, when are we supposed to be reviewing each other's edits? I started reviewing some of yours (and they looked fine :] ), and I was wondering if or when I should start reviewing other peoples' edits. Is it typically done later in the month, or is it done throughout? Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Last time I just did a few whenever I had the time, throughout the month. I have done some already too for this drive. Thanks for helping, and thanks for checking a few of my articles. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

My edits for the November drive
Sure, it's under my "Contributions": Basically everything that I've copyedited since Nov. 1 has been for the drive. On a related note, how do I make a tag to show that I'm working on a piece? It's really hard to find in the manuals of the Copy Editors Guild. thanks--Aichikawa (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Could you do me a big favour and list the individual articles on your section of the drive page? I have done a few to get you started. Thanks. The template collection is at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Templates. Thank you for participating! -- Diannaa  (Talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 8 November 2010
Read this Signpost in full &middot; Single-page &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; EdwardsBot (talk) 16:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Copyediting Drive
Okay, so I believe I've copy-edited two articles, could you check if I did everything properly? They're on the drive page. Thanks! -- Addi hockey  10 e-mail 01:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked both articles and fixed a few minor mistakes on the 2nd. Try reading them out loud (I do it softly to avoid annoying family members) to yourself and see what doesn't sound right. One mistake that I commonly see editors make is like the following: "There were people at the fair, including John Doe, Jane Doe, Jimbo Wales, and more." Since we already know that this is a partial list (from the word including), we do not need to have the and more at the end of the list. Happy editing! Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC) Sorry for stalking your talk page!
 * Au contraire, I am honoured to have people watching my page. I am so busy right now in RL it would make your head swim, so I am glad to have help. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi - this isn't exactly directed to you Diannaa, it's just for a willing talk page watcher ;). Could someone check that I copyedited Birmingham Blue Coat School correctly? That would be great :) Thanks! -- Addi hockey  10 e-mail 15:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just my 2¢ worth offered in passing and without checking the MoS: I don't think changing "children aged X to Y" to "children ages X–Y" makes an improvement, rather the opposite—although it may well be the case that the latter would sound better to British ears than it does to mine. "Children of ages X–Y" might be an acceptable compromise. I don't care for the verb tense in "In 1930 the school had moved …" either: I'd write "was moved" or even just "moved". OTOH "By 1930 the school had moved …" works OK in general, but wouldn't be very appropriate in this instance. —Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And in each of those two cases, you would need a comma after the introductory prepositional phrase of adverbial usage. In your case (and in this sentence too!), you would write "In 1930, the school had moved..." or "By 1930, the school had moved..." Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I made two edits to the page. In the first, I fixed the grammatical errors like missing commas and capitalization flaws which were left in it (see this diff). In the second, I reworded a clunky sentence to make it read more smoothly (see this diff). Sorry if this comes across as bitey—I'm not trying to. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Rabbi Pinto
Hello, Diannaa. Apologize for issues with other user. Person was weaving in one-off gossip rather than actual, valuable information regarding RP. For instance, "Rabbi to the stars" thing is established. He has seen LeBron James, etc. Comments added by 68.173.122.113 about RP only caring about "biggest contributor" is libelous and, given comments by 68.173.122.113, prejudiced (he has made offensive comments regarding those of the Jewish faith). Appreciate your help in resolving these matters. Thanks! -- Photodeck
 * Glad to help. All negative posts about living persons must have really good reliable sources, so some of that content had to go. I will watchlist the article for a while. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

And to interject here everything cited in fact comes from sources that photodesk introduced. For example, he didnt simply see Lebron James, James paid him. There are countless media articles (in fact more than about his work) citing his involvement in an ugly fight with an individual in a mysterious death. Why remove them ? (and what "curse" thing or $30MM building thing ?) What makes those things ? And yes a price for a place of religious worship usually isnt mentioned... and thats because it may be the most expensive synagogue in NYC or the world. Thats relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.122.113 (talk) 11:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very awesome of you. :) Hate to continue bugging you, but was wondering if it would be okay if I removed the "$30M" thing and the "curse" thing. The $30M thing seems irrelevant - 68.173.122.113 added it because he thought it was high "for a Rabbi" (it was maliciously added and the price for a place of religious worship generally isn't included in other articles) - and the two articles cited for the "curse" story never mention RP by name (the second article from Slam actually has nothing to do with the curse). You rock, Diannaa (sorry to be corny!). - Photocredit (talk) 05:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If I could put up a building in NYC for that price I would be pleasantly surprised. I am not sure its relevant. The other thing about the curse etc can go as well, as the sources are a bit sketchy. Do you want me to do it? The IP seems to have stopped editing, so you can probably proceed on it yourself if you like. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can take care of it. Just wanted to discuss with someone reasonable. Thanks :) - 06:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Photocredit (talk • contribs)

Deanna why do you say that $30MM isnt accurate ? Its well sourced repeatedly ? Where is it ok for said sockpuppet to make edits without discussions ? and he's inaccurate factually - 3 articles mention the curse including the slam article ? What makes it ok fo r a single eidt user to make these changes ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.122.113 (talk) 10:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Diannaa. I mentioned your name when closing this 3RR case: WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 22:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * @68.173.122.113: I just felt that $30M for a building in NYC would hardly be exceptional or remarkable. Perhaps you have heard that real estate is expensive there. Re: the curse- I felt the material was more like a rumour than anything else, and it was poorly sourced, so I did not object to its removal. As you may know, we have to be very careful what we put in biographies of living persons or there could be libellous statements and legal implications, which of course we want to avoid. @EdJohnston: Thanks for your help in wrapping this case up. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC).

Re: lifted block
Hi. Someone of the name Bishonen (Talk: Communist terrorism) is disputing your assertion that the earlier block on me was lifted unconditionally. Any comments on that? Thanks. Justus Maximus (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Justus, How's it going? I have responded to Bishonen at the article talk page. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 01:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, still struggling to overcome some recalcitrant and unreasonable opposition to the inclusion of (in my view, impeccable) sources in that article. All is fine apart from that. Many thanks for your response and apologies for dragging you into this. As you can see there seems to be a lot of confusion (even among veteran admins, let alone the likes of me) regarding various issues here. On a more humourous note, maybe Wikipedia itself needs some clean-up before we even get to editing articles? Justus Maximus (talk) 11:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well now your talkin' crazy talk! ;) Good luck, please let me know if there is anything else I can do. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 16:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of St. Charles
Hello. I saw that the new page on the Battle of St. Charles had been deleted for copyright violations to do with the link to http://www.scribd.com/doc/35200860/The-Battle-of-St-Charles. That is my Scribd page, I am the Harvey Hanna that is the writer of the paper. I am sorry if there has been a misunderstanding. Thank you, HLHanna Hlhanna (talk) 05:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Hlhanna. I saw that, but you need to get your OTRS ticket in place on the talk page of the article for it to be OK to post it here. Please refer to Donating copyrighted materials for instructions. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

RFPP.
Thanks very much! Things have changed since I've been active much. · Andonic  Contact 01:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just happened to be looking at the article when you inquired! Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Racist stuff
Thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Why wait? They was up to no good. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Sometimes I wish I had a button. Hey, if you had seen the first one instead of me, would you block on sight? Drmies (talk) 05:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Good question. I think one "final warning" and then block on the second edit is what I would do. Hey! You should run for adminship! I bet you'd be good at it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A few more of these racists and I'll consider it. Thanks again for helping keep a clean house! Drmies (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Magersfontein
Thank you for your efforts to copyedit this article. FYI, I have made a minor tweak to hyphenate compass headings that you edited to be single words, per the Oxford Dictionary. Socrates2008 ( Talk ) 09:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. I will be tidying up the references and will look over the text again today. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now finished my copy edits. Good luck on your A-class review! -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Socrates2008 ( Talk ) 10:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to do it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Andrew McClurg
Hi there. First I wanted to apologize for essentially throwing away your copy-edit of the McClurg article. But I thought it was necessary, because the starting point was really bad. When you find an article in this state, it usually means that a lot of bad things have happened to it. Indeed if you go through the history, you'll find I thought it was more important to purge all that right away and then continue with editing the article. Cheers, --Atavi (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * some good faith, but failed, attempts by someone to add an already existing link
 * one vandalism edit
 * mindless copy-pasting from the biography page of McClurg at the U of Memphis.
 * Not a problem; it only took five minutes to do. Worse could happen! -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Nour Tawir
I tagged this article as a copyvio, and I think the version you reverted back to is still copied from here. Am I missing something? --Banana (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I thought that version was different for some reason, but you are right, and they are all copy vio right back to inception of the article in 2008. Good catch, sorry about the mistake. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Belated congratulations
I just saw your note at ANI and was slightly surprised because I hadn't realised you had the tools. So, a little digging around and I find that your RfA was during the week I took off recently. Oh well... please accept a belated support and my congratulations :) Best,  EyeSerene talk 10:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Keith Springer


The article Keith Springer has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable financial advisor. No notable reference on the subject himself.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Edcolins (talk) 20:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Imran Farooq
your edits over there seem to have ignored the content at hand. You said its protected for libelious content, yet the editor censored material and clearly doesnt grasp the matter as pertaining to the subcontinent (he reacts tot he arabic word, which, as explained in talk, is different from the subcontinental (read: Pakistani) expression.
 * not to mention a very deceptive edit taht censored material.Lihaas (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * All I did was remove the word "murderer." If that word is going to be used, some really good reliable sources will have to be found. The statement was completely unsourced. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Note
Just so you know, I've joined the discussion on coordinating future WP:GOCE drives here. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 22:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think three people (you, SMasters, and I) can make the decisions by ourselves. Mind if I invite a couple others from the Guild to join the discussion? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 22:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we need to open it up now to all the membership now that we have the bones of it worked out. In fact SMasters wanted just to make sure you looked everything over before we did so. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I have added the page to the tab-set, and put a blurb in the om box. Do you think we should send out a wee newsletter as well? That might be best. We could issue an update on the Drive at the same time.-- Diannaa (Talk) 22:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Use User:The Utahraptor/Goce newsletters to develop the newsletter. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC) On second thought, why don't we just incorporate it into our standard mid-drive newsletter? It's near that time, anyway.  The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's perfect. We don't want to spam :) It's already the 12th, so we can start preparing our mid-drive update and have it ready by the end of the weekend I betcha. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:07, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

-- The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 13:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: file deletion of ellekennedy.jpg
Hi Diannaa,

I see that you recently deleted the image "ellekennedy.jpg" because of copyright concerns. I actually took that picture myself (I am Elle Kennedy's assistant and webmaster) and so the copyright belongs to me.

I'd like to re-upload the picture, and I am wondering if there is something I can do to "prove" that I have the copyright? Sorry for this confusion, I am new to wikipedia.

Thank you Glasses63 (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The photo you uploaded appears at http://www.eharlequin.com/author.html?authorid=1812 so what you will need to do is follow the instructions given at Donating copyrighted materials. This will start the process to get an OTRS ticket in place on the item proving that Wikipedia has permission to use it. The photo should be uploaded to the Commons, not directly to Wikipedia, so you will need to open a user account on that wiki as well. I know this sounds complex, but hopefully if you take it step by step it will go ok. Please let me know if there are any further questions. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for this information, Diannaa! I really appreciate your help! Glasses63 (talk) 17:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

My copyedit got reverted
Hi, I am confused as to what to do about my copyedit of Summer of the Monkeys. Soon after my copyedit was completed, another editor reverted my copyedits (by reinstating the old version) and re-added the template. I want to fix the obvious issues in the article (one being "in the late 1800s, just before 1900," - redundant, should be "in the very late 1800s") and the use of informal contractions. However, I have no desire to become involved in an edit war by reverting his edits. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! I noticed that the copy edit tag was once agian on the article, but I did not realise they had undone your edit, too! I left them a message on their talk page about an hour ago and they have not edited since. I will restore your version of the article and watch-list it to see what happens next. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some more copy edits on the article as well; I hope you don't mind. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind at all when people improve upon what I've done (or revert it if it broke something or was a mistake, as long as they explain why). I went ahead and tagged the article as unreferenced, since there are no external links or citations of any sort. Thanks for the improvements! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Presidental Limousine
Hi are you a admin? Also why did you redirect my new article and how does that affect me? I wanted to ask you this before I reverted the page since this is my first article. thanks.TucsonDavid (talk) 05:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The "Presidental Limousine" is the "Presidental Car", so it duplicated the subject., You can add your information to the Presidential State Car (United States) article. Thanks-- intelati  talk 05:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I hope my actions did not hurt you feelings, but it looks like we already have an article on this topic. You can find out if people are admins by going to their contributions page; go down to the bottom and click on "user rights". Regards, --- Diannaa (Talk) 06:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ok thanksTucsonDavid (talk) 06:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Keith Springer for deletion
A discussion has begun about whether the article Keith Springer, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Keith Springer until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Edcolins (talk) 11:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010 backlog elimination drive update
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Utahraptor (talk) at 15:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC).

Deletion of Tertian Harmony and Chord Manual
Diannaa, I am in the process of sending an e-mail for proper release to wikipedia. The form provided asks for the URL of the page. Is it okay to use Tertian Harmony and Chord Manual? I had plans to use subpages but was not sure how they would work "live". I would prefer to retain the same title for the article before deletion. Prophet of the Most High (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am glad you found my directions useable. You can re-use the original title for the article if you like. Good luck. Let me know if there are more questions! -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I've sent the e-mail. I cannot do any of the subpage things, inclusive to redirects for easy around reading, until that goes through. I'll watch for any predilection to improvement as regards music theory. Thank You. Prophet of the Most High (talk) 02:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That's good news. I hope it all works out well; the article could be a great addition to the encyclopedia. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I have two other questions. I am not an administrator, but I am curious if you, as an administrator, have received any specific private messages not viewable to base level volunteers from wikipedia concerning difficulties with server space and a directive to deny as many articles as possible due to such difficulties?

In the course of discussion with RHaworth, who originally placed the speedy deletion nomination notification on "Tertian Harmony and Chord Manual", he is showing signs of emotional and mental breakdown based on prior personal difficulties in his early editing at wikipedia, and quite possibly due to overwork as well. User talk:RHaworth

You seem to me to be more stable in your favorability to include the originally posted article. Other than the fact that you saw the speedy deletion nomination notification, was(were) there any other reason(s) for your deleting the article? - Prophet of the Most High (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. First question: No, I have not received any instructions to the effect that articles are to be debarred from Wikipedia due to a difficulty of server space or for any other reason. Second question: When I saw the speedy deletion template I verified that the information was indeed a copyright violation, as this is why it was tagged for deletion. I also noted that the article more resembled a music instruction guide rather than an encyclopedia article and thus might be declined for that reason. RHaworth is correct when he states that Wikipedia is a secular work and the religious content of your piece would probably have to be stripped from your article before it would be accepted for inclusion. When you are ready to re-submit your article, please do so at Articles for creation. Volunteers will check it in advance for its suitability for inclusion. My opinion is not important; I am not the decider. Decisions are made communally. Please do not speculate about the health issues of your fellow Wikipedia editors. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

You state that you verified that the information was indeed a copyright violation in total defiance of me donating the article to wikipedia as a volunteer without any copyright violation. I am not suing wikipedia, you, or RHaworth. I have further complied with the consent, but have shown the fallacy of the judgment based on that reason.

It is true that the Tertian Harmony and Chord Manual resembles a how to guide. Firstly, as can be seen in the word "Manual", 'man you all', it is something for everyone, this is deliberate because music has been called a universal language. At the level of inception to an on-line encyclopedia where the dissemination of the manual can be translated into all other languages, the writing needs to be inclusive to such a broad comprehension. Similarly, Tertian Harmony is only understood with full comprehension of all elements from root to 13th. Music notation has a limited alphabet, A through G. Though this may seem to make matters a little easier, their remains the necessity to present the 'how and why' such a limited alphabet works best, and to do so in a concise and orderly manner.

It can be seen in the English language that the development of Tertian Harmony has come as a direct response from God to a direct humility in prayer and reverence for Him by the devout of humankind. If there is to be any enjoyment of this delight, there is an equal necessity for us to remain steadfast in that same humility, reverence, and devotion. This seems to me to be the most important point - a gift for the future based on the excellence of the past.

In the formulation, not speculation, of the health issue as presented, it is due course in deriving the true reason for deletion. Unlike the Fifth Pillar of wikipedia which states that "Wikipedia does not have firm rules.", Tertain Harmony does have firm rules. It is understandable that such an 'etching in stone' may seem cold, but it is not meant to be.

If you support an error from another once, it is understandable that you will support an error again. The secular reason is only valid if we violate the First Pillar, which I am not willing to do as it allows for the inclusion of Tertian Harmony and Chord Manual as is. The article was given to you and RHaworth to share with everyone in abidance with the Third Pillar. This was not an invitation for either of you to violate the Fourth Pillar.

The inclusion of "all of your contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and redistributed" is the worst part of the Pillars in that the realm of possibility excludes such a blanket statement and that "in giving we receive". It is also disadvantageous to the community for one to think that conditions cannot improve. You state that your opinion is not important yet I treat it so. You state that you are not the decider yet you deleted the article. You state that decisions are made communally yet I did not authorize its deletion. I find you lacking in self-esteem which has caused you to do something you probably would not have normally done if this were not so. As your decision follows in the trail of another suffering under a poorly written Pillar, I understand and forgive you. As to the advice from both of you concerning its re-write and/or re-submission, that too follows under the same error of judgment.

It would be a waste of server space for me to continue with you without your support to the rest of the community, not only the wikipedia community, but the entire reading public. I understand that being an administrator carries with it further responsibility, but you are first and foremost an editor, and it is on your integrity as such that we rely. - Prophet of the Most High (talk) 14:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Diannaa, I admire your patience! Prophet: a) server space is absolutely not an issue - it seems infinitely expandable, b) I should have said this earlier: you may well find a completely different attitude if you submit your manual to Wikibooks, c) I have no objection to God-language in its proper place: every night next week you can hear me delivering Isaiah 7:14 and other religious matters with conviction in a church in the City of London. &mdash; RHaworth 16:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Undelete at once
I would strongly suggest that you undelete the page at once, before the whole unsavoury business escelates into major drama once more. I'm sure it was an unwitting error on your part.  Giacomo  23:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure that is not necessary, as you already have a copy. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There are an immense amopunt of quoted diff all over the site, which you have now rendered obsolete. If they are not restored, we shall have to go to ANI to have the page restored.  Giacomo   23:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not actually delete the page; I deleted the associated talk page. The person who deleted the page has now restored it, and I have restored the associated talk page too. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

A barnstar for those admin actions!
Thank you! -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

hardware failure and break
hi

can you do me a small favour please ? my pc bios has been playing for three months getting gradually wosre giving me session errors and other problems. It finally had a heart attack two days ago

i have been trying to put a wikibreak notice on my page but this mobile phone prevents me from seeing the edit button

if you have time could you please put wikibreak nottices on my user and talk page stating due to hardware failure and until 21 November 2010

I was hoping tro contributwe to the drive but that is not possible on this phone - it took 2 mins just to open this talk page lol

many thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 21:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Jeez, how annoying for you! I will put notices up for you immediately. See you soon, -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of The International Child Abduction Database
You deleted a page I was working on and wasted my time as the text is now lost. Please take more care in deleting brand new articles by non-brand new editors. I added the hang on template before it was deleted, though you clearly chose to ignore it, and now, ironically, there is a Talk:The_International_Child_Abduction_Database for an article that does not exist.--Cybermud (talk) 23:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, the reason the page was deleted is because it was an unambiguous copyright violation from http://www.incadat.com/index.cfm?act=text.textpage&tpid=2&lng=1 which is marked at the bottom as being Copyright © HCCH. The page as it existed at the time of deletion was identical to that page so you are free to use it, if you wish, as source material for an article written in your own words. Sorry the reply could not be more favourable. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize for the favorability of your response (whatever that means). My issue was with deleting my page after I added the hang-on template to it and while I was writing in talk.  It was not identical to the linked page (which I myself referenced in the article) and the copyright symbol was a link that pointed to the copyright statement for INCADAT (the database) itself, not for the description of the database which is what was the bot flagged as being in violation.  I've lost enough edits to the vagaries of the internet and the occasional errors of Wikimedia's servers that I like to click save often.  I'll be careful not to do that with new articles, having seen what bots and admins will do to them if I put content there intending to copyedit it immediately thereafter (as happened in this case.)--Cybermud (talk)


 * There is no way we are allowed to keep copyright material on the wiki for any length of time, as there are legal repercussions to that. You can and should use word processing software off-wiki to prepare your article in a case like this. I did read the copyright statement which is actually the terms and conditions for the case studies eleswhere on their website. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeopathy
Thanks for a very wise decision. It's a constant target, so indefinite semi- protection makes total sense. There are many very controversial articles that need this type of protection, but many admins are a bit too shy to do it. It takes courage. -- Brangifer (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Now your time can be spent doing more productive things. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly! It's amazing how much time gets wasted by vandalism. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 November 2010
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Leather Jelly, now with salt
Hi Diannaa, I'm sure you saw Leather jelly, no? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 06:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Squank you! Drmies (talk) 06:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now also available as Lether Jelly. Drmies (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We gots the lulz tonite. -- Diannaa (Talk) 06:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A 31-hour rest period was proscribed. Natti natti! Drmies (talk) 06:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is a pic of two of the band members, as they appear today. -- Diannaa (Talk) 06:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Christos Gatsis
Hi Diannaa. Thanks for deleting this. If you haven't already  done so, could you  salt it as well  please, otherwise it will  get  created again. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 10:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Christos Gatsis and Gatsis Christos have both been salted; the first was done when I deleted the page and I did the second just now, so they can't re-create it there either. You posted a good analysis on the Vin Diesel question, by the way; I noticed that case at WP:Ear whilst reading Mr Gatsis' posts there. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

November backlog campaign
Could you confirm for me whether the leaderboard numbers should reflect rollover numbers? In other words, does one's words from a previous campaign belong on the November goldstar leaderboard? thanks--Aichikawa (talk) 14:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No, the rollover words do not count for the leader board. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Www.languageskillsforexams.ie
Please discuss. Bearian (talk) 23:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Big Daddy
Hi Diannaa. Just FYI I'm going to remove the band members from the Big Daddy infobox until I can sort out with User:Normanay1 who's supposed to be in there. I've left a message on his talk page. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 07:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, hopefully we can get it sorted out. Thanks for letting me know. -- Diannaa (Talk) 07:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What's weird is they're one of my favorite bands. It's almost an honor to have been reverted and insulted by him. :) 28bytes (talk) 07:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well he's probably got all his facts straight, even if we can't come up with an RS for his edit. -- Diannaa (Talk) 07:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. If nothing else, I have their CD liner notes I can dig out and cite. I asked him if their allmusic bio was correct; hopefully it is and we can just use that. 28bytes (talk) 07:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of these guys! I will check out You Tube tomorrow for some of their stuff. -- Diannaa (Talk) 07:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * They are absolutely hilarious. I recommend listening to their version of "Welcome to the Jungle". 28bytes (talk) 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Omittion of notable alumni entry into Preshil
Hi Diannaa,

I believe that one of the people is an alumni. I currently cannot remember which person, I and quick search did not recover any website references. I therefore added both. The reason I actually entered these people is because I am an alumno of the school, and I heard from another person from the school that one of the people (Gina Riley or Jane Turner) is also an alumni. I do believe that one option would be true. I will get back to you on any sort of reference that I can find.

Regards,

SilvestertheCat (talk) 12:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Please feel free to re-add the material when you actually have a reliable source. If we just include all the stuff we think we heard somewhere, the whole project deteriorates pretty quickly. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I will add the correct person when a source can eb found. Thank you for responding quickly and being fair.

Regards,

SilvestertheCat (talk) 01:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

repeated additions of links to YouTube
Diannaa, On 16 November you reverted an edit to Russian cursive which had added links to YouTube. The same sort of edit had already been reverted on 7 August by a bot. The same edit was done again on 17 November, and I undid that one, following your lead but not really sure that it was the right thing to do. The same edit was done again on 18 November, reverted by a bot, and done immediately again. The same pattern of editing has started on Cyrillic alphabet - edit, revert by by bot, edit again - on 17 November.

I am new to this sort of thing. I am aware of not getting drawn into and edit war and I would like to learn more of the Wikipedia ways of doing things. Coroboy (talk) 13:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the reason for not allowing this link?
 * What response, if any, should I make to the editor?


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for taking the time to inquire about this problem. Links to You Tube are typically not allowed. As a source, they are not reliable, as the videos can be tampered with before upload to You Tube to contain anything at all. Many You Tube videos are copies of copyright material, and thus are not suitable for inclusion. Another good reason we remove these links is because they can contain malware, or because they are straight advertising. Some people get money from their advertisers for each hit on their video so a Wikipedia link can be lucrative. We want to discourage that sort of thing as it is not condusive to the type of encyclopedia we are trying to build. More info on this topic can be found at External links. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. —Coroboy (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

thanks
LOL it seems every time i try to create an article these days someone tried to delete it carelessly, same thing happened to me with Santa Isabel Supermarkets. Thanks for helping me out!Hemanetwork (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, this one looked pretty good to me, for sure. The other admin should have removed the speedy tag for you before turning in for the night! Regards, -- Diannaa  (Talk) 03:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * sweet glad that one won't get deleted, but the other one is now, what can i do?Hemanetwork (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This was nominated under a process called {{WP:AFD|Articles for Deletion]], Not a speedy, but a seven-day-long period during which users will !vote on whether or not the article is wiki-worthy! The best thing to do is to continue to improve the article during the AFD process. See if you can come up with some more claims to notability, as that seems to be the main obstacle. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the article on "200 Years Together"
Since when is citing Jewish Sources vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.162.150 (talk) 03:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

User: Spartan
Hi My account had trolls on it a couple months ago and was summarily indefinitely blocked without much discussion. But I digress, I've been editing on this address and others so I'd like to get back to actually doing things at Wikipedia, if possible, and I don't see why I can't do it with my old username, which is still in existence. I've contacted several other "admins" but they haven't really gotten back to me, most seem to have disappeared over the summer for various reasons, including my original blocker. Anything you could do would be amazingly helpful. Thank you, 96.50.86.207 (talk) 05:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, I can't help. A trusted long time admin blocked the account as having been compromised. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You might like to open a thread at WP:ANI; maybe someone recalls the specifics of the case. I was not an admin at that time. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well I've been here specifically? I haven't even had a chance to redeem my self. There isn't anyone who knows about it, it was literally no warning. It isn't about trust I'd just rather not go through any bureaucratic that would take weeks while...nvm I can see I'm talking to a wall...96.50.86.207 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Label M
I don't understand what was wrong with 'Label M' it was simply a link to 'Joel Dorn' thus providing more information. No references were provided because this information was gleaned over a period of time from various sources which are no longer on line. It is all true and I am quite informed on the subject and collect the out of print cds concerned. There is no other information on line and now there still isn't. I have also added info to the page 32Jazz, on the same basis. Maybe no one else is interested but if so, why provide the links from 'Joel Dorn' article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donald obtains (talk • contribs) 12:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. The information seemed completely unsourced and the label non notable. There are red links all over Wikipedia, and not all of them will become articles. I also suspected it was a cut-and-paste from somewhere else on the Internet, and thus a copyright violation, but I was unable to find the source document. Please do not copy materials from elsewhere on the Internet; to do so is in violation of copyright law and thus could have legal ramifications. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Arora
Thank you so much for clearing things up on the Arora page and between me and User:Sikh-history.I truly appreciate it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhruvekhera (talk • contribs) 19:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you read my remarks on your talk page before you removed them. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I did read it. Thanks for the warning! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhruvekhera (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The user User:Sikh-history is warning me again that he's going to block me for no reason as I have said nothing wrong here User_talk:Dbachmann as you can see..I'm not sure what to do he's not stopping no matter what I do or where I edit or what I say.I am not sure who to complain too.At this moment hes re-editing my Citations on Jat People instead of fixing them like you advised me to do with google books hes doing the same thing as before on my articles.Dhruvekhera (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sikh-history is not an administrator; only an admin can block you. I am pretty sure you have been rude to him. Please re-read some of your recent posts with a more analytical eye and you will see what I mean. You have put bare-links refs from Google Books in the aticles and Sikh-history is attempting to clean up after you. He is following you around because you are doing damage, and he is cleaning it up. You need to start listening to the advice we are trying to give you. Please be nicer to everyone, and you will have a better chance of having a productive Wikipedia career. -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I was kind of hoping there'd be a fix that didn't involve turtleshelling again.
I mean I just came out. I'm not bothered per se; most ip posts tend to be harassment or bordering on it, but it just seems a bit unfriendly, you know? Half Shadow  03:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to take it off again? If you are hunting vandals its nice for them to have somewhere to complain at you. Whatever you think is best. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Bareback as requested. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :)
Hi Dianaa,

Thanks for your very quick response to my nomination for speedy deletion (G11) for Optical Dubplate. I am impressed. 72.1.134.32 (talk) 04:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Stray G7'd AfD still in today's AfD log
Articles for deletion/Communist Albania concentration camps is still in today's AfD log, under DXET. Could you possibly look into this? Thank you! --Shirt58 (talk) 10:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've boldly removed it myself. Must admit I'm a little puzzled about this - last time I tried to edit an AfD log, there was a pop-up that said I had insufficient user-rights to so do. Anyways, all fine, end of story. Apologies for this ultimately unnecessary discussion O_o !--Shirt58 (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am glad you resolved this, as I have no experience with the AFD process yet. I have been doing speedies, and whacking vandals. -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Fellow Editor
Hi fellow editor, thanks for intervening in article Arora and particularly with an editor there who has an unco-operative attitude there. I have tried to tag references for discussion, but I fear my editing their may inflame this user more. I think there is an element of racial bias by this editor as can be seen from the comments made here. I have no intention of engaging in edit wars as some unscrupulous editors have WP:Game 'd the system in past and got me blocked. I have a real problem with many of the India based articles as a lot of the content is "junk" and not encyclopaedic. Jat people is one good example of "junk". Anyway, best of luck, in removing some of the nonsense. Thanks --Sikh- History 11:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

not sure if this is rude jumping in here! but I asked User:Sikh-history to discuss 3 times here and even wrote on his talk page User_talk:Sikh-history regarding the issue he had an problem with! and I also asked to him to Discuss the topic on the Discussion page of Arora(he did none)only threatened to block me again and again. I don't see how this has anything to do with racial bias..and if it is I have not brought up the issue as you can see here User_talk:Dbachmann. Just to point out I have added more then 5-6 new citations since I started editing the Arora page before there were not to many before for such a big page.I am infact trying to improving the article unlike User:Sikh-history who has not contributed anything to the article.Dhruvekhera (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for your comments. Almost all our articles about India need a lot of work. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see the sockpuppet talk here and investigation here first prior to crying wolf. Thanks --Sikh- History 17:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Sikh-history. Note Dhruvekhera has also posted in the thread above (Arora). I was still framing my reply when this message came in and now I will have an edit-conflict with myself :). Thanks, I will check out the investigation report in a minute. -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Fellow Editor. I thought at first that your indefinite block of Dhruvekhera may have been harsh, however, see my comment here and the comment by another editor. Follow the link. It appears that Dhruvekhera has been leaving racist messages elsewhere, so I think your reason for an indefinite block is a good one. Good Work. Thanks --Sikh- History 08:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it might be too harsh at first also, but the decision has now been confirmed by three different respected and experienced administrators. Sometimes we just have to cut people loose for the good of the project. I intend to be working on some India and Pakistan articles for the next while so I expect I will see you around. Thank you for the barnstar. Regards -- Diannaa  (Talk) 19:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, however, I am having problems on article Arora (it maybe my pc), but can you take alook. We have another person going around hacking refernces and section there. Thanks --Sikh- History 14:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that you reverted them and issued a warning. That was a good idea. I have watch-listed the article and will keep an eye on it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

First edit Emilie-Claire Barlow
Hi Diannaa, I have just been introduced to editing articles and thought I would try my hand at one listed in the current drive. I'm not quite clear on the process of joining the drive and taking word counts so I haven't signed up, but would love some feedback on the work I've done on this page to see if it's up to scratch. Also, could you please let me know if I've addressed the right issues or missed anything which needs fixing. Whateverblah (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The article looks great. Please feel free to copy edit any articles or join the Guild. Thank you for your interest. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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Yeah, I kind of figured a rangeblock wouldn't work.
Two prefixes can be kind of iffy. I mean, if all else fails, I could be SP, but that renders me inaccessible to new users or IPs (which often can be helpful/useful), and I have quite a few people watching me as it is anyway. Half Shadow  04:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Plus some of the people using Huggle are quite savvy, and will pick up on this kind of thing quite quickly, whether they have watchlisted your page or not. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If I can get 5 or so IPs I can probably calculate a decent range bloack. :-)  Access Denied –  talk to me  04:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have five six:
 * 86.14.144.220
 * 86.14.128.80
 * 86.14.147.151
 * 86.14.149.188
 * 86.14.132.79
 * 86.14.136.144
 * The Toolserver tool calculated a rangeblock of 86.14.128.0/19 (up to 8192 users would be blocked). Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But just to be clear, only eight of those IPs actually edited Wikipedia since the beginning of October. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see two smaller ranges here.
 * 86.14.128.0/21
 * 86.14.144.0/21
 * I hope this works. Cheers,  Access Denied –  talk to me  05:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. The vandal has ceased activity for now, so I will not be doing the rangeblock just yet. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh you hadn't done it yet? Sheesh; I thought that was why it had stopped. Half  Shadow  01:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your adminlogs say you made the blocks already...  Access Denied –  talk to me  01:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought he stopped because he got bored (silly me.) The blocks were not applied until about an hour after Semi-whatsit made his post. The blocks have been applied for a two-day trial. We will see how many folks complain, and then try a longer period if we are not getting any flak from other users in the IP ranges. I hope this works. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The range block made me nervous because I have not done one before, so sorry for the delay. - Diannaa (Talk) 01:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh no, don't worry about that. It's just since nothing had happened up until now I thought you'd already set them up. I mean, there's no way I'd know one way or the other, but he usually hits my page quite early in the morning and that didn't happen, so... Half  Shadow  02:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I was hoping he was done as all the literature goes on about these range blocks and all the potential collateral damage. So I hesitated -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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Still
I have to admit that, no, I did not realize that he has a dynamic IP address but that should not give him the excuse to make continuous reverts with impunity. We all have to abide by the rules on reverts but if it is so impossible to pin down this editor to a single account, and if he is unwilling to have anything about our objections, what other sort of recourse can we turn to, if not a semi-protection? --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Coordinator elections
I think we should include a notice about the December 2010 coordinator elections in our final drive newsletter. What do you think? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no harm if it is very short. If not, we need to send a separate short note out to ALL our members. Members and past drive participants are eligible to vote. – SMasters (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me too. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * After giving more thought to this, we need the voting note to go out on 1 December. We normally take some time to tally the drive results, so I think we need to send these out separately. I will do a draft for the notice. – SMasters (talk) 00:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Provide a link to it so we can also have a look at it. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll just put it here as it is very small. Finally, I managed to figure out how to use AWB. It returns 370 494 addresses for me as opposed to 347 on the Mailing List. Once this has been finalized, I will send it out using AWB on 1 December. – SMasters (talk) 05:36, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

A few people removed their names from the list, including: HJ Mitchell, OlEnglish, and Ling.Nut. Remember not to deliver the newsletter to them. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 13:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just checked and HJ Mitchell is not on my list, but the other two are. This means that they must appear elsewhere where I gather my data. I'm wondering if we are setting ourselves up for trouble by having the mailing list. After all, the list is currently obtained from active data from the other pages. We should make editors more responsible. If they want out, they should remove themselves from the other pages. If not, they can just delete the message from their talk pages. It is a lot less work than us having to cleanup the data after them. The other problem we have with the mailing list, is that new members now have to sign on three pages to join the Guild. This is not really desirable and something we have to have a re-think on. – SMasters (talk) 14:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * User:OhanaUnited did not wish to receive any more newsletters either. They signed up for the July drive. I don't think they are a member of the Guild -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, removed from my list. Cheers. – SMasters (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism from same person
Hi

I noticed an anonymous IP has been vandalising the McMaster University article during the past few days. I strongly suspect it is done by the same person using a dynamic IP as his/her edits are similar in nature. See this: Evidence 1, Evidence 2, Evidence 3, Evidence 4. All three IP addresses are from Bell Canada. TIA 112.118.147.77 (talk) 04:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reporting this. The simplest solution is to protect the article for a while so only established editors can change it. I have applied this protection for two weeks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy Diannaa's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 06:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above is on behalf of User:Rlevse. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 06:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I am so honoured, I can't begin to tell you. Thank you very much. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're quite Welcome! :) Keep up the great work! :) - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Muley Jat
Hi Fellow Editor, would you mind casting your impartial eye over the article Muley Jat. Thanks --<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue;font-size:16px">Sikh- <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:goldenrod;font-size:16px">History 11:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. I was unable to find any online sources for the existence of this group. The old texts that the original author quoted as references are not available here. By the way, a WP:Prod tag can be removed by any editor at any time. It is not like a WP:speedy deletion tag or an WP:AFD tag. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Dhruvekhera
He seems to be getting the point, after several unblock requests, and one other reviewer has come out in favor of an unblock. Do you have any thoughts? Daniel Case (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The amount of monitoring and so on that will be required is not justified by the quality of their edits.
 * Three blocks have been instituted on the user with less than 200 edits logged
 * Only one edit to an article talk page in their tenure here. This does not show a cooperative attitude
 * Two racial slurs
 * Poor edits; poorly sourced edits
 * I would support changing the indef block to some shorter period like six months or a year. I think we are dealing with a young person here, perhaps even a teenager. I would prefer if they grow up off-wiki and then come back. Note I have only been an administrator since the end of October, so my opinion should probably not be the last word on the subject. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * i didnt notice that he has racked up three blocks already. the guy sounded naive and thought he might be "reformable". i could be wrong. --CarTick (talk) 01:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Colachel
noticed u r interested in war and India related topics. was wondering if you have access to any sources which could help this article in any way. pls free to decline if the article is not of interest to you. i will certainly understand. --CarTick (talk) 04:07, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am interested in the subject matter but I do not have access to any sources on the topic. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Drive – Final push
Greetings GOCE Backlog elimination drive participant, We are now coming up to the last few days of the drive, the last for 2010. Currently, it looks like we will achieve our target for reducing the backlog by 10%, however, we still have huge numbers for 2009. We have 55 participants in this drive. If everyone just clears 2 articles each, we will reduce the backlog by a further 110 articles. If everyone can just do 3 articles, we will hit 165. If you have yet to work on any articles and have rollover words, remember that you do need to copyedit at least a couple of articles in this drive for your previous rollover to be valid for the next drive. There are many very small articles that will take less than 5-10 minutes to copyedit. Use CatScan to find them. Let's all concentrate our firepower on the first three months of 2009 as we approach the end of this final drive for the year. Thank you once again for participating, and see you at the finish line! – SMasters (talk) 04:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

An accident?
I'm not sure if you noticed here that you were the blocking admin, and you declined an unblock request of that same block... ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:32, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh. A bad mistake. Sorry. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Rajput
Stop deleting before discussing.Mdmday (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As you are well aware, I am trying to initiate a discussion on the article talk page, where I invited you to go with this diff some thirty minutes ago. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

NO i am talking abt the Hindu part, which i have already mentioned, you have reverted it many times pushing ur POV. Mdmday (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You really need to discuss this on the article talk page and not scatter your comments all over the wiki. Thanks -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:33, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

You started the so called "scattering" Mdmday (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Your really need to discuss this on the article talk page and that is where I have posted my comments about the article. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Oppostion to immigration
I did not state my comments on immigration, I gave examples and explained the causes of anti-immigrant belief. You have no right delete my hard work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.35.24 (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied on your Talk page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

IP on Opposition to immigration
Don't let that IP on Opposition to immigration that you reverted bother you on what he is saying on that page saying that you delete other people's work, Diannaa. Don't worry about it.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 02:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry this person has had a very bad first experience with Wikipedia. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:00, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I blocked him because of the mess he was making fussing about you, though if you think an unblock would be helpful, go right ahead. Courcelles 03:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is to see how you would feel and now you don't have to worry about it because he's now blocked.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 03:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Courcelles, I think we should leave the block, as they are quite angry right now and might just do more damage. It will give them time to read up on how to contribute. I have put some links and a wee apology on their talk page. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 03:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That block is not there for punishment, it's to see what he did that got him blocked which was make fun of you. Blocking that user prevented further disruption.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 03:17, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind him making fun of me; I have to expect some krap as an admin and as a Huggle user. He just got angry and started wiping content. That deserves a block. I only wish he would have done more research on how to be a useful contributor before he dove in and started editing, and he would have had a better experience here. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

spammy
Hello, Diannaa. I thought adding spam was a form of vandalism. Cracked acorns (talk) 05:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

PS. I was going to report @AIV, but saw your comment. The user talk page is interesting.Cracked acorns (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well the fellow I said was "spammy" was adding a link to videos of windmills being erected. Not quite in the same league as ol' 14.79.130.218, who was blocked by another admin whilst I was composing this message. Welcome to the vandal-fighting team, by the way. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and thanks. :)Cracked acorns (talk) 05:14, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

The December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive is about to begin!
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Wikiproject Wikify at 00:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC).

Hello
ok thanks. ehmmm the writing "died" is not in the write places. Akuindo (talk) 05:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not patch up the article, I just reverted my edit. The bit I was trying to revert is where he called Bismarck a prince. He was a Junker only. And then I stepped all over your edit, so sorry. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

This
How does this look?  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 23:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It is all good. Now you must joint teh Guild of Copy Editors *rubs hands together and laughs an evil laugh* -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a member of them when Utahraptor told me about it on my talk page. I haven't been able to contribute to WP:GOCE lately because I've been mostly reverting vandalism.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 00:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that after when I went to creep your user page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, that IP who made those personal attacks/vandalism was reverted by me. I won't let anybody vandalize/make a personal attack on your talk page when I'm online.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 00:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So you see, he was wrong. People do care. Thank you. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 00:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am going to semi all my sub pages to keep it all on the one page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

You should, and you should block the IP that attacked you a few moments ago indefinitely because he's only used for personal attacks. He may or may not be also evading his block, too.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 01:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, that was time consuming. How I ever got to the point where I have fifteen sub-pages is beyond me. I guess I is one computer-savvy person, ha ha XD. Those two IPs were unrelated as one was at Dalhousie in Halifax and the other was at Carleton University in Ottawa. But they may have been communicating, who knows? -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP who made an attack on you five times, four on this page and one your to-do list has been blocked for 48 hours by Bongwarrior but I think you should block the IP indefinitely because he may continue to attack you after he's unblocked, which is not good.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 01:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We can't block preventatively, especially since they were editing from the university's IP. Could affect some actual contributors, who knows? But longer blocks are not unheard of for schools. Don't worry about the icky-ness of the content; I don't let it bother me. Most of it I didn't even read as I was off setting up my protections. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good news. Also, other users end reverting the attacks/vandalism with their own power but I was just suggesting and trying to help you, that's all. You need to have WikiFriends in order for you and other fellow Wikipedians to be safe, if they're not bad users such as personal attacks, vandalism, etc.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 01:51, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Am I allowed to block people who are messin with my stuff? Or am I considered an "involved admin"? -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're an involved admin, which I could be wrong. When you make a mistake on Huggle, you should click the arrow on this part of your HG screen as shown after this message. Huggle-interface-1b.png  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 02:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did click on the gizmo and Huggle bless its heart encountered an error and had to close. I am finding a lot of this admin stuff is covered kinda sketchily in the guidelines, and some of it seems to be word-of-mouth. Sorta like all snakes being notable. I will edit the instructions when I learn things so future new admins will have an easier time. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

It's hard to deal with this administrative pressure early as an administrator. As time goes by, you'll get used to being an administrator and learn how to deal with this pressure.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 02:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Participating at first in a low-key way will be my route. Blocking folks who like pie and change their principal's name to Hitler. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * They may have all those vandalism words such as penis as their favorite foods, lol. That would be wrong but weird at the same time. They may also be called Adolf Hitler, Jr.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 03:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're allowed to block people who are genuinely vandalising (so no problem with the IPs above), but not if it's a dispute of some kind.Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the help, I couldn't find an answer to that one. -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If multiple IPs are putting the same vandalism/personal attacks and edit summary, then you should block them indefinitely due to a block evasion.  WAYNE  OLAJUWON 19:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Blocking IPs indefinitely is a last resort for administrators, as I understand it. As Diannaa said earlier, established editors may be affected by an indefinite IP block. Cleaning up the IP autoblocks would be tedious and time-consuming work. So I think it'd be best if the IPs weren't blocked indefinitely even if they did do some pretty nasty things. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 19:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think Utahraptor is on the right track here. Some ISPs use dynamic IPs; some vandals are clever enough to change their IPs at will; some vandals edit from a mobile device that changes IPs as they move about the city/countryside. So permanent IP blocks are typically rare. Both these badboys last night were editing from universities. Same deal. A permanent block, or even a lengthy block, might affect too many people that could be constructive editors. There are some smaller schools (high schools, middle schools) though that have suffered escalating long-term blocks when they have a proven track record of damaging edits with little or no worthwhile contributions. Have a look at what IPs link to for examples. Heres a quick case in point: User talk:194.83.191.3 is currently under a three-year block; this is their eighth block. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 20:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

-- Diannaa (Talk) 20:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Ice cream thanks
Thank you so much. Part of me thinks I'm completely mad to run for Arbcom, but a lot of people asked me to, following the stuff I've said recently, so I feel I have to put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. How's it going for you - sounds like you're getting a good handle on actually which buttons to press on the tools now - especially after the troubles we've both had with User:Justus Maximus:(Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Justus should have clued in when he was asked to remove all the offensive remarks from his posts, and discovered that to do so would have been a truly Herculean task, that he is a little too wordy. I had to stop watching his page; life is too short. I think these elections are important, and hopefully we will see an improvement in the way things are handled at the top. I think you have a really good shot at getting the post; you are an excellent candidate. Best of luck! -- Diannaa  (Talk) 16:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Rabbi Pinto
I am happy to try and collaborate but said users dont reply. They post false information on talk pages and are all people who never before used Wiki except for these pages. I welcome your assistance (and as a note I created that page a year ago already)? Pls assist ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babasalichai (talk • contribs) 01:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't get why you think the price of the building is unusual. It is on Central Park West!!! Real estate is expensive in New York!!! People live in 300 sq ft apartments. And this is not a sumptuous palace that the rabbi uses as his abode; it is the church building. The rabbi does not own the church; the congregation owns it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

1st, thats not accurate, its not on Central Park West. Yes it is absolutely noteworthy, the NY Times noted it at length. $28.5 Million is very very relevant in today's economy, particularily for a NY synagogue where the Rabbi does not speak English ?

And beyond this, if not relevant, perhaps you can show me another synagogue purchase at this high a price ? Its very relevant, particularily for someone who charges Lebron James ? There arent synagogues this expensive in NYC, and certainly not for people who dont speak any English at his young age ?

Every source introduced is relevant and comes from articles you folks have posted as references on Pinto. They are relevant for a controversial religious figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babasalichai (talk • contribs) 01:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Explain why you are deleting info which is sourced from sources you accept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babasalichai (talk • contribs) 01:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Forgot to !vote
It just suddenly dawned on me that I was so busy defending you among the neutrals and nay-sayers that I completely forgot to put my own !vote on the top floor at your RfA! Never mind, you passed anyway :) --Kudpung (talk) 03:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are funny. Thank you for thinking of me. Speaking of elections, I see you remembered your Arb-com vote. Not too many have voted yet; less than 500, so every vote will be important. Cheers, -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I have made reasonable deletions and additions to a page that was about me.
Please stop reverting my changes. There was misleading information posted about me that was unsubstantiated. So I have replaced it with accurate information supported by links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.17.29.147 (talk) 06:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did realise that once you pointed it out, and immediately stopped reverting you. At first your edits were indistinguishable from vandalism. I will go over the article tomorrow and improve the layout and so on. -- Diannaa (Talk) 06:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Diannaa, members of my marketing team have told me that you will not allow a page to be created because it is self promotion...? Sorry, not sure what I need to do to insure you that there is indeed a need for a wiki page. I can send you files, photos, videos to ensure that as an artist I am legitimate? Please advise how I can have the page reinstated. Thank you for your help. Kind regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.81.130 (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, read these to start: WP:AUTOBIO, WP:PROMO, WP:COI, WP:GNG. Oh, and when you say "my page", try reading WP:OWN. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay read. And I'm really sorry that my team has done this. I hired them for marketing purposes and they made the decison themselves that it should be included in Wikipedia. The reason that it's quite uncomfortable for me is because the wiki page appears very high in searches on google and when clicked on it says that it is banned. Could you help me with this? What can I do? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.81.130 (talk • contribs)
 * After a few days the Google search engine will no longer include the page. You can speed this process up by contacting Google. -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ... and hiring a new marketing team that understands that Wikipedia is not not a directory, nor does being on Wikipedia give someone any form of promotion or notability might be useful. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 17:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for being so polite and helpful —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.196.134.47 (talk) 22:54, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Please STOP reposting a FALSE and LIBELOUS article about me and reverting my changes.
If you would like me to somehow confirm that I am the subject of the article that you keep reverting, I am more than happy to do so. The article that was up was FALSE and LIBELOUS and all I have done is replace it with accurate information that is completely supported by my links. I don't know why you are so passionate about the article that was up originally but I have REPEATEDLY noted that it is false and misleading and misattributed. PLEASE STOP messing with my edits. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with them until someone actually disputes the information which NO ONE HAS and NO ONE WILL. Thank you.99.17.29.147 (talk) 16:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Using the term "libelous" both here and in edit summaries suggests that you may be willing to take some form of legal action, contrary to the no legal threats policy, which will lead to an immediate indefinite block. If you wish to provide information on your identity, contact WP:OTRS.  The article as you last left it is a giant mess, and unsuitable for inclusion on Wikipedia.  You may wish to read WP:BRD, WP:BLP and rethink your actions. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 18:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)