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Really? Do you think Bum (homeless person) and Past life (reincarnation) are likely search terms? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you don't think we need such redirects, please prod or recommend for deletion. But I used them in film articles:
 * The Fisher King: the Robin Williams character is bullied because he looks like a Bum (homeless person)
 * Here Comes Mr. Jordan - the boxer character loses his memory of his Past life (reincarnation)


 * So nice to be discussing first instead of edit warring! :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Irrespective of whether these redirects should exist, why are you going out of your way to include them in articles? What purpose does this serve?
 * I see that this is nothing new . (You used that link in your Daylight savings time overlap article.)  What was the benefit of including America instead of America (the same number of characters) or America (ten fewer characters)?
 * Incidentally, referring to the country as "America" is an informal practice that generally should be avoided in Wikipedia's articles (apart from direct quotations and such). —David Levy 14:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for dredging up that old redirect. I made it years ago, when there was a fuss over whether "America" should refer to the US or to the entire "continent", i.e., the Americas; and what "North America" should mean.
 * The Spanish course I was using at the time (Pimsleur's) said that in Mexico and and other Latin American countries norteamericano meant a person from the US or Canada.
 * Meanwhile, a lot of people were saying that "North America" should include Mexico


 * I speak American English and I'm loquacious. Feel free to internationalize or shorten anything I write. --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't "dredge up" that redirect. I noticed it when you used it in an article today.
 * You didn't answer my question. I'm not asking why you created these redirects.  I'm asking why you use them in articles.
 * Incidentally, I'm an American too. —David Levy 15:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I thought I answered that question on your talk page. If you feel that usage is inappropriate, feel free to change it. Perhaps I didn't have a good reason and was just going by habit. The great thing about a wiki is that if one person makes a mistake, another can fix it. Why don't you go ahead? And if there's a policy covering this, I'd love to hear more about it. --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've already removed the Bum (homeless person) link, which was superfluous. I see no reason to modify the Past life (reincarnation) link, but I don't understand why you didn't simply link directly to Reincarnation instead.  What was the benefit of inserting past life instead of past life ?  —David Levy 16:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you miss my comment below? (See WP:HEAR) - anyway I put back the reference I was thinking of. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I read that comment, but I don't see the relevance. I'm not asking why you linked to those articles.  I'm simply curious as to why you did so through newly created redirects instead of linking to the actual titles.  I don't assert that this was particularly harmful, but it was additional work with no apparent benefit.  —David Levy 17:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

As for "bum", I was thinking of Tramp but got it wrong. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This is going nowhere. It sounds like one or both of you think I'm violating policies. I'll just stop editing for a while. Maybe someone, someday, will point out what policy they want me to follow (or stop breaking). For now, it just seems like I'm going against personal preference; if that's the case, why not just undo my work? I won't edit war. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't speak for SummerPhD, but I'm inquiring out of curiosity. —David Levy 17:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't used to do that so often. But recently I read Manual of Style (linking) (section Piped links):
 * I've underlined the parts that caught my attention. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've underlined the parts that caught my attention. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * But past life and America are piped links. Why not simply use the articles' actual titles instead?  I see no realistic possibility of separate articles with the redirects' titles being written, given the fact that they would cover exactly the same subjects.  —David Levy 17:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you see no possibility of a separate article, you can change it; I'm planning to write such an article - hopefully before daylight savings time starts (sorry about the 's' which is a habit).
 * Takes me less time to write America (USA) and let the software adjust it. Feel free to make any change you feel improves the text. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * To reiterate, I was simply curious. (I remain curious as to how it takes you less time to write America (USA) than it does to write United States, but whatever.)  I'm not complaining or asserting that changes are needed.
 * Do you mean that you intend to write an article titled "Past life (reincarnation)"? If so, what information will it contain?  —David Levy 18:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know yet, I'm waiting for inspiration. Let me finish the time zones first. But I might take the hint and just add some material to Reincarnation first. If "past lives" gets too big, I can proposed some Splitting, in accordance with WP:Summary style, as I did recently with Park51 and Park51 controversy. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be sensible. A split should occur when the information present justifies it.  Splitting topics first (and seeking content later) is a backwards approach.  —David Levy 21:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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I replaced hyphens with en dashes, not em dashes, per WP:MOS. Do you have a problem with this? —Anomalocaris (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


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limbaugh-fluke flap
It was done because the name "flap" didn't really work. Is there another way to change a pages name? Casprings (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * See Move. --Uncle Ed (talk) 04:50, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm in an edit war with User:AV3000 and User:ISTB351 re: BLD re: my prior segment on Positive law vs natural law from the now defunct page, since edited to add external sourced ref's and a more neutral POV see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrsKrishan see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ISTB351#Edit_conflict:_who_started_the_Edit_war.3F pls help - how do I appeal their vandalism? Down two so I can't undo - three strikes and they say I'm barred MrsKrishan (talk) 01:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Yeah, okay, I already merged it to DARPA. Thanks, Zad. --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hope you can find WP:RS to support the statements about the children of unmarried/single parents. The comments seemed accurate and were definitely germane IMO.

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War on Women
Hi Ed, just a note about your move of War on Women to User:Ed Poor/War on Women in March. In future, could you copy and paste articles, rather than moving them? When you move them, it removes the page history. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 18:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought it was the other way 'round. I did move instead of  copy and paste, thinking that it was move which preserved the history. Is there something new about the software, or am I just gradually going senile? --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * When you move a page from article space to user space, you move the contributions history too. This means the history is lost from mainspace, and would mean you could in future request its deletion. Contributions to the encyclopedia (including admin-deleted ones) need to remain in the encyclopedia. That means, for example, that if the article is ever undeleted, people will be able to see the history of the contributions to it without having to move pages back and forth and merge histories. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I know that moving an article moves the contributions history. I'd like to see the full history of War on Women. I see that you did a lot of administrative work, recovering the text and all, but could you please recover the history?


 * If I did anything - in the hopes of preserving the article - which inadvertently made it hard for future readers to see the article history, I'm sorry. --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Vagina POV
I must admit, I don't really understand why you think this is POV issue. You may have already noticed, but I've responded on my talk, and also brought it up on talk:vagina.Grayfell (talk) 05:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

You haven't forgotten your friends down under, have you?
To an Aussie "Eastern Time" is the time zone of Queensland, NSW, Victoria & Tasmania. It was nice of you to tip us your hat in February. J IM ptalk·cont 23:27, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, I better fix that. Is a disambig page good enough, or should I try to undo the 'move' I just did of Eastern Time Zone? Where does Eastern Time go now? --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd be inclined to make Eastern Time a disambig page (or redirect to one). There are only a couple of hundred incoming links.  Fixing these shouldn't be a big deal.  What to do with Eastern Time Zone isn't as easy since there are several thousand incoming links.  If this were to become or redirect to a disambig page, we'd want consensus for it and/or a bot to fix the links (preferably both).  J IM ptalk·cont 06:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to make Eastern Time a disambiguation page.
 * Eastern Time Zone used to at Eastern Time Zone (North America) till I moved it a couple days ago. I don't see any problem with it, unless Australia has an "Eastern Time Zone". --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Eastern Time Zone (North America) vs. just plain Eastern Time Zone
To be absolutely honest, as a resident of the Eastern Time Zone (North America) it's the only one of its kind that I care about, so Eastern Time Zone is perfectly fine. I had been changing links to point to Eastern Time Zone (North America) for the past few months to match the actual title of the article (only as part of massive cleanup, updates and improvements to articles for places), and noticed that someone had just changed it back to Eastern Time Zone. Assuming there was some edit war going on, I looked through the article history and found that there is a war going on, and that you are battling with yourself as the one editor doing all the moves. As the article is linked from thousands upon thousands of articles for places in North America, shouldn't we have some measure of stability here? Will this be changing again soon? Perhaps it should be on some kind of schedule with a handy mnemonic, like "Spring ahead to Eastern Time Zone, fall back to Eastern Time Zone (North America)? I hope that you can appreciate my confusion here. Alansohn (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * LOL, without reviewing the history of it I can't remember my precise reason for adding the parenthetical. Possibly at the time I felt there may have been another Eastern Time Zone and didn't want to be chauvinistic.


 * There has been confusion over time zones and time offsets. Some contributors (Europeans?) have noted that the UTC time offsets do indeed correspond to the world's major time zones, particularly the nautical time "orange slices". But a time zone is a place (e.g., measured in square miles) while a time offset is a quantity, measured in hours and minutes. Maybe you can help me with this matter if I agree to stop fighting with myself, eh? --Uncle Ed (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I've always found the subject fascinating. We take the UTC system so for granted now, but only 150 years ago these standards didn't exist at all and all places observed their own local time. When I saw the page had been moved I just assumed that there was some bitter edit war going on and found it so funny that you had made both moves with equal and opposite reasoning. I re-read the time zone article and I probably agree that North America has the strongest claim to being the primary usage of Eastern Time Zone, while the Australian version is usually denoted as belong to that continent as AEST, even in Australian articles. As a programmer I'll often look at program logic that leaves me scratching my head a few months after I first wrote it that made absolutely perfect sense when I first wrote it, so the process you went through is completely familiar to me. Thanks so much for the reply. Alansohn (talk) 14:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger. By John Carter

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By John Carter

I believe ... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

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ATTN: Ed
I still owe you $50 from 9 December 2006. Do you still work on the West Side? ColonelHenry (talk) 02:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss this by email or phone. --Uncle Ed (talk) 23:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response. I have your old cell number from 2006--is that still in use? Otherwise, can I e-mail you using the "email this user" feature on the left? --ColonelHenry (talk) 07:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Try "email this user" ... and be patient; I don't check it every day. --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Time Zones and UTC Offsets
I do know quite a bit about time zones and related topics. I have an interest in the topic both personally and professionally. I've been a subscriber, reader, and occasional contributor to the project mailing list for the tz database, and in the not to distant past, I was responsible for keeping the time zone support up-to-date at a major Internet company.

"Time zone" is a bit of a slippery concept, and what it means depends on who you are talking to and in what context, but in general, the distinction you make is generally pretty accurate.

Based on my knowledge and experience with time zones, I think the change you describe is a bad one for Wikipedia. It probably does not increase accuracy (because as you point out, in the UTC offset changes in locales that observe daylight saving time), and it probably does not increase reader comprehension, at least in North America, where time zones are universally referred to by their symbolic names, and not by UTC offsets. Can you point to some examples of these kinds of edits? Have you contacted the entity responsible for these edits, to hopefully convince him to stop making these changes, and to revert the changes he's already made? Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 23:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contacting me. I appreciate your thoughtful attention to this matter.


 * But could you remind me what specific change I was describing? (Or point me to the page on which I described it?)


 * I'm all about increasing reader comprehension, not making things more difficult for the reader.


 * Which sorts of edits ought I try to convince the "entity" to stop? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Quoting you from my personal talk page:
 * Do you know anything about the distinction between UTC time offsets and time zoness? I've been telling people that the former is how much time you add or subtract from Greenwich Mean Time to get your local time, and that the latter is a place where everyone uses the same offset. Am I fairly close, or what?
 * It looks like someone went through Wikipedia and methodically tried to replace time zones (like Eastern Time Zone (North America) with time offsets like UTC-05. This is misleading at best, because currently New York and (eastern) Florida are observing UTC-04 due to daylight saving time.
 * Can we work together on any of this stuff?"
 * Scott Roy Atwood (talk) 23:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bill Ferny


The article Bill Ferny has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Minor character in Lord of the Rings. No external sources provided to give notability outside of Tolkien fandom

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Archive
Hello! I just wanted to request that you archive your user talk page. While it may not be bothersome to you, many editors have slow connections, and having a very large talk page can hamper communication. If you need help, just check out the guide over at Help:Archiving a talk page. Thanks! ❤ Yutsi Talk/  Contributions  ( 偉特 ) 04:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By John Carter

Church of the month by User:Diliff Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church

Contest of the month We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and  Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.

Spotlight One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe ... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

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Proposed deletion of The Enemies of Christopher Columbus


The article The Enemies of Christopher Columbus has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * This book does not appear to be notable.

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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear Ed,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards, &mdash; Hex  (❝ ?! ❞)  11:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC).

Nomination for deletion of Template:!-
Template:!- has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

An extremely belated apology
Ed. I expect you have completely forgotten about this, but there's something that has been bothering me for a long time and I feel the need to apologise to you and to try to explain myself. In 2003, when (unlike now) I was a fairly prolific contributor to Wikipedia, I made this edit to my talk page. Even to me this seems almost incredible, so you may not believe it, but those insults and the implied accusation of dishonesty in the edit summary were not in truth directed against you. I was actually trying to make a point against another person who seemed to have been closely monitoring my actions in Wikipedia and elsewhere and who had alluded insinuatingly to details from my real life. (Or so I thought. Looking back, it's distinctly possible that the whole thing was a product of my over-active imagination.  I do hope so.)  Anyhow, I perceived an implicit threat to my physical safety, which was disturbing to me at the time, and I may have become actually paranoid. Whatever way you look at it, it was not rational to make those comments. I really wasn't thinking straight, and bizarrely it was only when you responded (in your typical mild and genial fashion) that I realised that I had given the false impression that the comments were directed against you. But it was very awkward to explain (still is, truth be told), so I did nothing to correct that false impression. Instead, I let those unjustified insults against you stand. The accusation of dishonesty was particularly wrong, because in actual fact I had always been highly impressed by your probity. Although your opinions on almost everything seemed to be diametrically opposed to mine, at that time you were pretty much my favourite Wikipedian. This is because, unlike me, you were unfailingly friendly and polite. You were adept at using tact and humour to defuse tension between contributors. You were always ready to offer excellent advice about how to edit articles in a neutral way, even when the material being added was antipathetic to your personal beliefs. And whatever the circumstances, you were always scrupulously fair. I wish I was a bit more like you. I'm very sorry to have maligned you. Best wishes. GrahamN (talk) 03:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

WP Deletion Sorting in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Deletion Sorting for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 06:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Matt Bomer Infobox photo consensus discussion
Hi. Your opinion is requested in this discussion.

If, like me, you're in an area that was affected by Hurricane Sandy, and are unable to reply, I hope that you have not suffered too greatly, and my best wishes go out to you. Nightscream (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I've suggested merging Divine Principle to Unification Church. Check out my reasoning on Talk:Divine Principle and see what you think. Steve Dufour (talk) 06:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1
You are invited to Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at meetup.com!--Pharos (talk) 07:07, 30 November 2012 (UTC)