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Request for consensus for editing Template:Catholicism
You are invited to join the discussion at Template_talk:Catholicism to edit the list of Doctors of the Church to add John of Avila and Hildegard of Bingen and do this by embedding Template:Churchdoctor. I am messaging you because you are a member of WikiProject_Saints --Jayarathina (talk) 16:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Vaccine shortage of 2004


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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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By John Carter

Church of the month This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.

Calendar This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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 * EdwardsBot (talk) 02:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Sir
sir i have a problem, this user is doing Edit war, I sent to him two warning messages about that, but not paying attention. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cinema_of_the_United_States&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheClown90 see the record http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheClown90

greetings MervinVillarreal (talk) 21:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 02:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Almost a decade
In eight days, it will have been one decade since you sent me my first Wikipedia talk page message. Your line about "genuine celebrities" is an interesting commentary about how wikipedia has changed! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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By John Carter

Church of the month This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by  Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The Tower of Babel'' by Pieter Bruegel the Elder This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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 * EdwardsBot (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tab order


The article Tab order has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable topic.Is exists but is not worth having an article about. meshach (talk) 03:33, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, Meshach. Merged to Tabbing navigation. --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Nicely done with the merging. I probably should have just done the merger myself - seems like hindsight is always 20/20.  Thanks again! meshach (talk) 00:02, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Geisha, prostitution, changing cited info, also please archive
Ok, so you offered a direction at Geisha. I like the style. However 1) you changed cited info without offering new source material 2) geishas-prostitution-mizuage is a hornet's nest, and more importantly, a topic both convoluted (Tokyo geisha ways differ from Kyoto ones, and both are much different from all the onsen things; the geisha institution has changed with times) and teeming with romanticism, exoticism, and outright misinformation. Anything doing with prostitution or sex with patrons/clients should be discussed in the page talk.

(Out of curiosity, I'd like to know where your idea from mizuage being a sexual initiation stems from. I currently know only two modern sources that might support such a claim, and neither are fit to be source material whatsoever...)

In any case please do not change cited info, especially to imply highly contested stuff.

Also, please consider archiving your old user talk. For record, your oldest discussion on this page is from years ago, and your TOC is nine times taller than my (tiny laptop) screen. :)

Anyways, hope to see you around Talk:Geisha, that article can always use help. -- Pitke (talk) 08:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * LOL! The idea that mizuage historically involved a sexual initiation is common knowledge. Allow me to quote from Wikipedia:
 * During the Edo period, courtesans undergoing mizuage were sponsored by a patron who had the right of taking their virginity.


 * I hope I didn't fail to make it clear that I was speaking almost exclusively about the pre-war period; after the mid-1950s, prostitution was banned in Japan, so I assume mizuage no longer includes defloration of the Maiko.


 * Anything that seems to reflect poorly on what Japan did in the past seems to get censored. The whole Comfort women episode is routinely excluded from Japanese-language school history books - although America's dirty laundry has long been on display: Trail of Tears, etc. If there are WP:RS who say that geisha ever had to undergo defloration and were paid for it, then this information should be in the Geisha, Mizuage and Maiko articles. If there is controversy over whether the combination of sex + payment = prostitution, that the existence of that dispute should also be in the articles. We might even create a WP:spin-off article on the controversy itself.


 * If I "changed cited info" it was accidental. Please post a diff, so I can see mistake. I intended only to add new info, not to remove anything that is valid. --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by WikiProject Christianity For submissions contact the Newsroom • To unsubscribe add yourself to the list here EdwardsBot (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Stop1


A tag has been placed on Template:Stop1 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Shaun Marcott


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Speedy deletion nomination of Shaun Marcott


A tag has been placed on Shaun Marcott requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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More time needed

 * This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted.

I had less than 10 minutes to respond. Please talk to me about why you want to delete the creator of the Marcott graph. --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ed, your redlink Marcott graph suggests you're thinking of starting another article: start off with adequate verification to show notability, don't just start off inadequately sourced articles. Also, your edit summary caught the eye as rather snarky, not a very good idea. . . dave souza, talk 18:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry if my edit summary was snarky ... I really should not stoop to that level - regardless of what others do.


 * See Shaun Marcott for the article I wound up creating. --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
— DragonLord ( talk / contribs ) 20:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Climate change debate
I see you are making an attempt to restore some balance to Global warming controversy. I'm certainly in favor of that, but not very optimistic: I used to be pretty active in the CC articles, attempting to restore balance by adding viewpoints of critics of the current consensus. In essence, the group that controls the CC articles ran me off, as they have nearly all editors with skeptical viewpoints. I've not been very active in wiki-CC recently, but my guess is, you will have a lonely time of it.

I'm happy to pitch in to support specific proposals -- just ping me, and I'll try to help. But, basically, I don't see any big changes for the better until the evidence against CAGW becomes overwhelming. Which may not be that long -- to my professional eye, it's amazing this ramshackle construction stands at all. Politics, I suppose? Good luck -- Pete Tillman (talk) 20:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC), professional geologist, amateur climatologist


 * Okay, but I'm not trying to prove that AGW theory is wrong. I just want this encyclopedia to include the "denier" (or "skeptic") side in the Global warming controversy article. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Neither am I, at least not here . But this is my field, at least peripherally, so the "political science" stuff from the activists always rings my chimes. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 05:06, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have an advantage: I've been at Wikipedia longer than any other climate editor: I'm user #188. I still remember when we all collaborated to create neutral articles. If anyone made a mistake and endorsed something that was really in dispute, we'd readily back off and attribute the position to its advocate.


 * It's easy, however, to confuse objectivity and neutrality. Just be humble, admit any mistakes you make along the way, and keep trying to get consensus about what is a neutral description of the controversy. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14
Hi Ed Poor! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

Please sign up, and add your ideas to the agenda for Sunday. Thanks!

Delivered on behalf of User:Pharos, 18:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

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By Gilderien

Church of the month Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien

Calendar This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by WikiProject Christianity For submissions contact the Newsroom • To unsubscribe remove yourself from the list here EdwardsBot (talk)17:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Math disability
Hello Ed Poor. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Math disability, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''I see no reason to delete this redirect. It is meaningful, and it gets several views a day.''' The fact that there are no internal links to it doesn't matter - people are using it to find Dyscalcula. see WP:RFD for considerations of when to keep or delete redirects. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, I didn't realize it was drawing traffic to the article. Thanks for the info! :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military
What do you think about Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military. It seems every thing should be hidden.--Syngmung (talk) 13:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Politicizing Science (book) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Politicizing Science (book) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Politicizing Science (book) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. serioushat 08:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

List of scientists skeptical about global warming
Do you really think that it is appropriate to move a controversial article like this with no consultation whatsoever? I've moved it back, and I suggest that you make a proper move proposal before you try this sort of thing again. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see what its being a controversial article has anything to do about it. I simply changed a biased title to a neutral title. What's wrong with that? Do you think a substantial number of Wikipedians prefer bias to neutrality? --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You are not the sole arbiter of what constitutes 'neutrality'. Why do you think that your opinion on this is any more valid than that of the multiple other contributors who have worked on the article? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I never called myself the sole arbiter, nor did I ever say my opinion is more valid than others. Stop putting words in my mouth!


 * And, once you're finished making pre-emptive personal attacks, please address my editorial points. --Uncle Ed (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ed, you either don't read, don't understand, or don't accept the scientific literature. There is indeed a strong consensus position on climate science, as very well-sourced at Scientific opinion on climate change, an article you really should be aware of. As others have pointed out, all scientists are naturally sceptical. Many of the so-called sceptics, on the other hand, are in fact not sceptical all, but incredibly credulous. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess you are right about that, but that does not need to be reflected in every article title about that subject. The policy TITLE matters in this respect and the proposed title by Ed is more concise and more common. Andries (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)\
 * I thought that being skeptical about a belief is clear in English. Andries (talk) 18:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See skepticism, with specific reference to scientific skepticism, and note that the so-called skeptics as listed in the article generally present pseudoskepticism. In English it's clear, perhaps less so in USian. . . . . dave souza, talk 18:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked it up in Merriam-Webster online and I have to admit that you are right. English is not my native language. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skepticism?show=0&t=1370027212 Andries (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, this involves English mangled for political convenience, in order to give undue credibility to fringe beliefs. . . dave souza, talk 22:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Hossam Mohammed Amin
Hi, recently edits claiming that WMD were found extensively in Iraq and the guilt of Hossam Mohammed Amin have been added to the article Hossam Mohammed Amin. Since I noticed you have created this article in the past, perhaps you would be interested in helping to resolve the BLP issue.--I am One of Many (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

"Sexual behavior" vs. "sexual activity"
Hello, Ed poor. As seen here and here at the Homosexuality article, I'm not clear on how you are distinguishing sexual activity from sexual behavior and how you could view either as an euphemism for the other. Maybe you thought only behavior was used instead of sexual behavior (which had been the case in the past)? Because, otherwise, these two terms are used interchangeably by researchers and laypeople (sources in the article show researchers using both terms, but especially sexual behavior or behavior to mean sexual behavior). The terms also point to the same Wikipedia article and are both included in the lead and bolded in that article...per WP:ALTERNATIVE TITLE and WP:MOSBOLD. Is it that you feel that sexual behavior is a tiny bit more broad because it can encompass flirting or any type of behavior deemed sexual? If so, in the same vein that flirting is argued as sexual behavior (except for when it's clearly non-sexual), for example, it can also be argued as sexual activity. The best example I can think of at the moment where the terms sexual activity and sexual behavior could possibly not be viewed as interchangeable is a couple watching pornography together; I think that most people would describe that as sexual behavior instead of sexual activity, and would not describe it as sexual activity at all.

If you reply to me about this, I would prefer that you reply here on your talk page as to keep the discussion in one place. But if you contest my having reverted back to sexual behavior, this discussion is best had at the Homosexuality talk page: I won't mind transporting that discussion there. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and leave a WP:Dummy edit summary at the Homosexuality article, letting others know that I have approached you about this. Flyer22 (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Use of ifexist in the article namespace and your old user page
Hi Ed, please see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_Murton&diff=560229354&oldid=555908910 my edit summary here]; there's no policy or guideline about it that I'm aware of, but I don't think it's a good idea at all for the reasons I've listed there. By coincidence, I was actually going to contact you soon anyway; I'm proposing to get the import right that would allow me to import long-lost history into Wikipedia, and one of the pages I was going to retrieve was your old user page. Would you mind that at all? Graham 87 01:20, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry about that. I was actually using subst: and did not check to see what template code was produced. Thanks for catching that! :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * As threatened, I've imported your user page. I've also moved the pre-December 2005 edits at to User talk:Ed Poor/old, so they're directly associated with your user talk page. Hope you don't mind. Graham 87  09:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've also amalgamated all the discussion on the article about your grandfather at Talk:Edmund Ward Poor. Graham 87 10:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)


From the Editor Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... THE HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...
 * ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

- Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is published by WikiProject Christianity. For submissions contact the Newsroom • To unsubscribe remove yourself from the list here EdwardsBot (talk)21:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC) This issue was distributed on behalf of Gilderien, current editor of the Ichthus, at 21:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC). Comments and other feedback are always welcome at his talk page.

2nd Annual Wikimedia New England General Meeting
You are invited to the 2nd Annual Wikimedia New England General Meeting, on 20 July 2013 in Boston! We will be talking about the future of the chapter, including GLAM, Wiki Loves Monuments, and where we want to take our chapter in the future! EdwardsBot (talk) 09:59, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Plus a free wiki-quiz at the birthday dinner on July 31st, if you are around.  I hope this finds you well!  –  SJ  +  02:49, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Hd
Template:Hd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Rezonansowy (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2013 (UTC)