User talk:Eep²

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Speedy deletion
In my view the speedy tag was also valid.--Anthony.bradbury 08:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I must apologise for the brevity of my comment, above. I had a little trouble with my PC, and had then to go out unexpectedly. I do not, I must say, see why this talk-page should not be speedied, as it contains no content. You will have noticed that User:Krimpet took a similar view in deleting it an hour before I deleted it again. If you meant to query the deletion of the article itself, that was User:Krimpet. For your information, an AfD tag does not of itself automatically guard against speedy deletion if the article qualifies for speedy, and if another editor has attached a speedy tag.--Anthony.bradbury 14:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

CSS discussion

 * moved from Template talk:Resolved

OK, now I need help in removing the background from closed AfD debates. This is the tag:   but  .boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed div {background: inherit !important}  doesn't work. :( I even tried just  .boilerplate metadata div ,  .boilerplate div ,  .metadata div , and even  div boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed ! But still no good... :/ ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 21:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Try  .xfd-closed {background: inherit !important} . Trying to catch all the class names won't work, too many. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 04:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As for the difference in code, it's because for resolved, it was the span tag that had the background, whereas here it's the div tag (which doesn't need clarification, as that's what the "xfd-closed" does). EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 05:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool--that works; thanks, though you could've just replied on the template page... Anyway, odd the HTML element (div, <tt>span</tt>, etc) doesn't need to be specified, unlike for <tt>.resolved span</tt>... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 04:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it was an issue that had nothing to do with resolved, so I opted to move it here. If you've got any CSS questions in the future, feel free to drop me a line directly.

Broken spindle
What is the purpose of this dabpage? Anyone who searches for "broken spindle" has likely misspelled Broken Spindles. Aside from that, it's a pure dictionary definition that doesn't disambiguate between multiple unrelated articles. –Pomte 21:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, when I first created it I didn't realize both articles were directly related to each other; it could probably be deleted but I didn't do a thorough search for other "broken spindle"-named articles yet... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 21:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As you should be aware by now, consensus is (still) that the dab term is a part of the article name is irrelevant to inclusion in the Dab page. Taemyr 23:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's not. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 17:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That says the dabpage can include such links, not all of them. It's only relevant if people would legitimately search for an article using that term. Place names should be the main case because people may refer to places like Broken River as the Broken for short. But it's highly unlikely they refer to artistic work names like Broken Meat as Broken. –Pomte 22:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Highly unlikely to who? Have you conducted a scientific study in search algorythms or something? (I doubt it.) Regardless, by that logic, no dab page should have any compound word made up of the dab page's name (i.e., Smith shouldn't include names of people/places that are not soley named "Smith", including "Smith Company", "Smith, Inc.", etc). See how ridiculous that is? Same goes with broken (disambiguation), though I just put links to multiple-use compound words, such as to broken spindle, broken record, broken heart (disambiguation), etc. It's not that hard a concept to grasp, really, and it makes complete logical and intuitive sense. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 23:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Use common sense. My logic didn't restrict people or company names. You call Bob Smith by his last name, but you don't call the United States by "the United". If someone wanted to read about broken heart, they would type "broken heart" into the search box. It's not intuitive to be faced with a bunch of unnecessary, barely relevant links. If you think this distinction is arbitrary, think about how people decide which words and phrases to link in an article. –Pomte 23:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What's common to one person may not be common to another. Your "logic" is contradictory, inconsistent, and hypocritical, for reasons I've already stated on this and, oh, just about every other dab discussion I've ever participated in on Wikipedia. The links also aren't "unnecessary" for reasons I've also already stated here and elsewhere many times. I also have a problem with how people link to certain words/phrases in an article and not others. I believe all words and phrases should have links but, obviously, that would clutter up the articles, which is why MediaWiki needs to be redesigned to (optionally, of course) allow all words, phrases, names, and groups of characters/words be intuitively searchable (without having to manually copy-paste the selection into the search box, or use one of those context menu selection search browser add-ons. The problem with Wikipedia is that it is easily biased and controllable as to what content is connected, often times leaving out much more extensive history and connections with other things. It's all relative--and it's high time more people started thinking relatively... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 23:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Most complicated systems end up being inconsistent. IAR is an obvious culprit, so you should either use IAR to denounce all policy, or refrain from considering IAR a policy. Of course dabpage writing is subjective, but there's a reason people can generally agree on things they can't define with rigorous logic. Your conception of "extensive" connections is trivial at best; being all-inclusive is not necessarily an improvement. I may not know what readers want most, but how do you? If you think you're improving the encyclopedia, start a study to see whether readers (not necessarily editors) agree. –Pomte 01:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Outer
I've nominated Outer, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Outer satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Outer and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Outer during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Taemyr 23:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Cathy O'Brien
Are you familiar with Courtesy blanking? That AfD was particularly insensitive and could be damaging to the subject. --Iamunknown 07:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Says who? Vote on it. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 08:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you joking? Consensus is policy, we don't vote.  --Iamunknown 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, you better reread Courtesy blanking cuz "It is usually done at the request of the person in question, however any user may do this if the contents of a AfD discussion would be best not indexed by search engines" doesn't say anything about "consensus"--in fact, it's rather vague and arbitrary as to when "courtesy blanking" (censorship) occurs. I'd say that calls for a vote. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

namedab vs surname
Hi. Is there a specific reason for this change? It is my understanding that hndis/namedab should only be used for full names, eg. Robert Johnson, and surname for all the other cases. I currently work on a lot of surname pages, and since I (think that I) am pretty much up-to-date with dabbing guidelines and consensus, I have replaced lots of malplaces hndis templates with surname. But you're an experienced editor, so I ask whether I have missed a guideline or if I just don't see where you're coming from in this case, because anybody may be known by just their surname, making the difference between surname and hndis useless. Greetings, – sgeureka t•c 07:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the problem with surname is that it automatically categories the article in the general Surnames category, which is annoying when the surname is from a specific country/culture. The surname template needs to be altered so it doesn't automatically do this or an alternate template created that doesn't auto-categorizes (or has an option to categorize elsewhere). ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 08:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know in how far you have the surname template on your watchlist, but I've made a note on Template talk:Surname. I've also invited User:Eliyak who included the old non-autocat function a while ago. The template might still be updated significantly, therefore I wouldn't start adding "nocat" to the template on articles right away. – sgeureka t•c 12:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole scheme is somewhat confusing and I added a thread here to seek some help. As for the categorizing, Template:WPBiography has a "listas=" parameter that permits an editor to list the name as they feel most appropriate. Kingboyk might be able to program something like "listas=" for this template to permit overriding the auto-categorizing of the article. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee (Talk)  17:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Ob
Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. You've been told that what you are doing is inappropriate by several editors. Please stop. IPSOS (talk) 12:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack warning
In regard to this edit: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. IPSOS (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Says the hypocrite who has also vandalized "Closed"... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 02:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Stop calling people names. You've been warned many times before. While you are often a good editor, that does not excuse incivility. If you wish to continue to participate in this project you must be civil. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 22:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating a more navigable, searchable encyclopedia.
Please see Inner and Outer. I think that you have some good ideas. You might want to work on presenting them in a more civil fashion. Remember that you are basically dealing with a bunch of tight ass volunteer librarians who are trying to make this a better place. Not, as you seem to believe, a bunch of dictatorial, narrow-minded, assholes. &mdash; Gaff <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b>


 * Heh, I appreciate the support...but librarians? Surely, if true, they would have better ideas of categorization and navigation! Although, perhaps all those years using the Dewey Decimal System has screwed them up permanently? :o ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 06:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Category recreations
Please stop recreating validly deleted categories without consensus. These were already endorsed by DRV. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 06:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, sorry...was just trying to clean up the wanted cats list. If those categories are disbanded, they shouldn't have any articles in them... But it seems that it's a futile attempt to restrain Wikipedians from voicing their affiliations--otherwise you'll have to remove ALL Wikipedian categories (including country/language ones)... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 06:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * POV affiliations are different from location and language. In any case, I think a bot is in the process of depopulating them already, to fix the redlinks. Dmcdevit·t 06:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ob
Regarding this revert of yours, I have explained on the talk page why your approach is in violation of existing guidelines. If you are unable to provide counter-arguments but will continue to revert-war, I will regretfully have to report your behavior as disruptive.

Note that WP:MOS does not apply to disambiguation pages; WP:MOSDAB does. I also don't see where exactly in the manual of style the lookfrom entries are listed as acceptable on disambiguation pages. Please discuss before reverting. I'd appreciate your response at Talk:Ob. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Community ban
Stalking me to articles you've never edited before was not a good idea for someone with an RfC as long as yours. I've opened a request for a community ban,. You are intentionally disruptive and refuse to follow consensus. IPSOS (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

unblock
∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 01:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, again (as I've stated numerous times in dab-related discussions), I've tried to raise conversations on relevant pages but people just don't (or won't) get it. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Please don't unblock this user, s/he is an habitual edit warrior who will not allow any other editors to disagree, will not discuss, and imposes their own style, formatting and ideas in violation of current consensus. IPSOS (talk) 01:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Says the hypocrit who is himself under RfC--tHat's rich, IPSOS... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Block
I have blocked you for one week. From the discussions at both WP:CSN and WP:RFC, it is clear that you are not seeing the errors of your ways in these pages. While, Wikipedia does have Ignore all rules, as you claim to uphold, it also has What "Ignore all rules" means. Your cluttering of disambiguation pages with marginally related terms as well as putting random notices on pages with otheruses have made some members of the community disagree with your methods. In response to these, you have simply just continued to go on with how you edit.

One of the items brought up is that you believe Wikipedia needs to have information on everything, which includes dictionary-like pages. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it is not a dictionary. Wiktionary, however, is a dictionary, where some of your edits seem to belong. To me, it seems that you need to go over What Wikipedia is not and see where you belong in all of this.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, Disambiguation is something you should also look over.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * On behalf of WikiProject Disambiguation, thank you for a restful coming week. --Piet Delport 01:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

unblock 2

 * And why can't I even edit my own user page? God damn...I was working on something and don't feel like losing it... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 01:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Blocked users cannot edit anything but this user talk page. And if you continue to use this page for personal attacks, you will be unable to use it within the next week. In my expanded block reason, as well as Eagle 101's decline, you need to understand the following: Despite the fact that you feel that you are ignoring all rules to improve Wikipedia, there are users who feel that your are not improving the project. When this happens, you stop and discuss it with them, instead of continuing to ignore them and the rules. The "MediaWiki "poor disambiguation system" does not exist. It is a set of rules set forth by the Wikipedia community. In ignoring these rules, you are angering people that lead to the RFC and then the "ban discussion" at CSN. I chose a middle ground here, and simply gave you a defined week long block. In this time, I expect you to read over the policies I listed above, as well as the RFC on your behavior. If you persist in these behaviors that led to the complaints, administrators such as myself will be inclined to impose longer blocks on your account to prevent further damage to the project.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And while consensus can change, you discuss what you want to change instead of performing it unilaterally.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 01:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Middle ground my ass, you choose. A middle grounded person would not have banned me. A middle-grounded person would have worked with both parties to find a common ground. A middle-grounded person acts an arbitrator, not a judge, as you have done. Duh. Wikipedia's rules are inconsistent, contradictory, and, hence, hypocritical--as is anyone who follows them to the letter, like you and most everyone else here on Wikipedia that gangs up on people trying to make sense out of all of this conflicting political nonsense. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 04:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There was a consensus for you to be indefblocked at multiple pages. You don't want to be indefblocked. This is a middle ground.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 04:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, there wasn't. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 09:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there such thing as a large set of practical rules that is non-contradictory? Inconsistent rules are there for everyone to fix, and you'll know when something doesn't need fixing when consensus disagrees with you. Dabpages only need rules so there's some sort of consistency between them. For actual inclusion criteria, just use reason and sensible argumentation. See also my comment above. It seems clear that your idea of navigation on this site is drastically different from other people's, so you should consider backing off from that area. Attacking Wikipedia in general terms isn't going to get things done. Work on pages like Problems with Wikipedia. –Pomte 04:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Revolution has a habit of beginning with overwhelming consensus against the minority (me, in this case, allegedly--but I doubt I'm the first to go against consensus--appeal to majority fallacy). ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 09:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Sophia
In response to a post at the Village pump, I added a membership criteria to disambigous pageSophia. The page needs some work and I read at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation that you like to deal with disambigous pages. If you get some time, would you mind giving Sophia a good once over. Thanks -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee (Talk) 16:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Shyea...I liked to before I was blocked for a week because of it. No thanks...Wikipedia can keep its craptacular disambiguation system; I'm not even bothering anymore. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 22:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Afterworld (animation)
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proposed merge: Aldebaran in fiction
I have proposed merging Aldebaran in fiction into the main article, Aldebaran. I'd appreciate any input on Talk:Aldebaran_in_fiction. Regards, —AldeBaer 15:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, again
It's not a smart thing to undo edits that were undone by the administrator who blocked you. Please do follow the rules.— Řÿūłóñģ ( 竜龍 ) 06:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I am following the rules. I provided reasoning per WP:MOSDAB for my reversions. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 08:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Final warning on incivility and personal attacks
I note that after serving out your block, you have continued your pattern of incivility and personal attacks, such as at, , and. You have already been blocked three times in the last month and a half for these very reasons; blocks are intended as a preventative rather than punitive measure, however I see no indication that you plan to reform your behavior. '''This is your final warning. If you continue your pattern of incivility, personal attacks, and disruption, you will be indefinitely blocked from this Wikipedia.  Ƙ ɽ  ɨ  ɱ  ρ  ᶓ  ȶ ''' 02:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, how are those examples of incivility? I'd call being blocked for trying to improve Wikipedia far more incivil. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 08:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to kind of agree, even despite the fact that I don't like your style in general... your last few "examples of incivility" are pretty mild, actually. You'll find that around here some animals are more equal than others; there are a few bigshots who get a free pass to be as uncivil as they want, while others can get blocked or banned for rather minor things. *Dan T.* 12:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments like this and this show that you seem to be completely unwilling to work with the community and cease your disruption. Like it or not, Wikipedia is a community effort. You have been indefinitely blocked.  Ƙ ɽ  ɨ  ɱ  ρ  ᶓ  ȶ  23:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, I think you're way too sensitive. I was actually being quite patient with Xcommunic8 over the past few days since he was the one who insulted/abused/was in-/uncivil to me (as I outline on his talk page). As for Piet, well, he's continually harrassed/wikistalked me for a couple weeks now and I was actually quite patient with him as well. I'm not completely unwilling to work with the community--hell, I've put up with it for this long, playing its various AfD/RfC and other "consensus" games, haven't I? I can only deal with oppression so much before it becomes ridiculous... I have contributed much to Wikipedia for you to just casually (and it is) block me indefinitely. Your blanket definition and interpretation of civility is unrealistic. Wikipedia is not a college/university or a renowned scientific instituion--hell, it's just a casual hobby website, for the most part, yet it is taken way too seriously by some editors (and most admins). Aside from the hypocracy, when others are uncivil to me, it goes barely noticed (like with IPSOS above, Xcommunic8 on Talk:Jordan Maxwell, and Reverend Zapanaz on Talk:CKLN-FM where he implied I was an idiot). The others have ganged up on me, particularly in AfDs and my RfC. Where is the justice? What happened to the arbitration process? If being uncivil means not being able to express onself (i.e free speech) in an effort to improve a flawed system, Wikipedia won't succeed under such oppression. I will be appealing this block, too, to most likely futile avail... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 03:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I am not trying to insult people, but people insult me when they revert my edits (or immediately nominate pages I create for deletion) when I am trying to improve Wikipedia. I will discuss things more before reverting other edits, but I tried discussing recent reversions with the admin (Ryulong) who previous blocked me for a week, to no avail. He usually didn't even bother answering the questions and played dumb--even after pointing his question evasion out. He's since deleted the discussion from his talk page. This isn't very civil behavior from an admin--especially one who blocked me for a week over the issue in question. I don't appreciate being treated like that when I am trying to improve Wikipedia. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 15:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * .. but Eep, you are in fact insulting people, whether you are trying to or not. And you're doing it repeatedly, doing it again, and doing it over and over. If you don't understand that this is how your behaviour is interpreted, perhaps you need to take another look. You might consider that people who don't agree with you are ALSO honest contributors who are trying to improve Wikipedia, and see no more justification for your insulting their opinions (by continuing to insist that you, and only you, know how Wikipedia should be) than you seem to see for their reverting your contributions? --Alvestrand 16:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

List of people named John
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 * Hello eep2. My humble suggestion, no offence. Dont remove prod warnings so early. Do it on 5th day otherwise they go for afd soon. Delay for 5 days so that you can improve article and think of gameplan. Why do you try to teach everyone game of wikipedia? There are some million users, mind your motives and use all possible means. Again, no offence intended. Jst enthar 04:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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Esotericism
Why did you revert my edit to Esotericism? Those links were superfluous, unrelated to the article, and there were so many that it made it difficult to read, considering most people are used to reading text in one color.--209.162.40.183 06:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Steamshovel Press
Any chance you have scans of the seventh issue? And does that issue have a masthead inside? Please don't get upset, but someone named User:Dcooper has deleted the Phil Gounis info because it was OR, and although I dislike having to agree with him, it seems he's correct. I'm hoping the magazine has the information we seem to be looking for. However, that will probably be disallowed because it's not a secondary source. 68.89.149.2 22:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If the seventh issue says that he's the co-founder, you can cite it without needing a scan, in my opinion.--Dcooper 23:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't believe any of the issues state who the founder(s) is/are, actually. Gounis has not replied to my latest email regarding the lawsuit and a request for a reference about it. I don't have a scan of it but feel free to [mailto:philipgounis@hotmail.com email him] and ask. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 03:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, my questions may not exactly bear on whether Wikipedia would include this information, but I'd like to know whether the seventh issue has a more formal look than the first issue, whether it has anything like a masthead, and whether Phil is mentioned in any role if there is a masthead. I imagine some of us would like to know the outcome of Gounis's lawsuit, but I don't know how to go about finding out. 68.89.149.2 19:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said, email him...and Kenn Thomas. Try a St. Louis, Missouri court website for a public record of the court case, if it exists. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 03:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you "agree that Gounis probably did co-found the magazine" and yet you say "there just isn't reliable, credible proof of that"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk • contribs) – Please sign your posts!


 * Because there isn't (that I and others have yet been able to find, anyway). See Reliability for more info. As I've said on Talk:Steamshovel Press, Gounis needs to provide a credible, reliable source that shows he co-founded the magazine. Wikipedia (or at least User:Dcooper anyway) doesn't consider my email exchange with him, and the scan of the first issue, to be credible/reliable. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 10:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm really out of my league here and can't figure out how to get this information to anyone so I'll leave a note here. I have scans of the mastheads for issues 4, 5, 6, and 7 of Steamshovel Press (from Gounis). They all list Gounis and Thomas as co-editors. Apparently, the first issue was just a publication of an interview (no other content) so they didn't bother with a masthead. I don't know what happened to issues 2 and 3. Thomas may have copies, but if he does, he's not offering them for us to see. However, if Gounis was editor by issue 4, and the co-publisher of the first issue/interview, it stands to reason he was listed that way on both issues 2 and 3, which, in my view, makes him a founder. How should I proceed? Thanks. (P.S. My apologies if I somehow inadvertently screwed up your user talk page, sigh...) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: (talk • contribs) – Please sign your posts!


 * Well, do you have a website to upload the scans to? If not, you can get free space at Flickr, various web-based email providers (Google, Yahoo!, Hotmail, etc) or a free blog at Vox, Blogspot, LiveJournal, etc. Oh and you didn't screw up my talk page but you forgot to sign your post (I did via a template for you). I doubt Dcooper et al ("consensus") will accept the scans though since they're not from a "reliable, credible source" (i.e. published in some zippity-do-dah bigshot name-brand old-media print publication--or something), but who knows... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 17:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need to scan the issues or create a blog or e-mail anyone. Just edit the article to say something like "the early issues were edited by Thomas and Gounis" and then cite those issues as your reference.  You could also say "the first issue consisted of an interview by Thomas and Gounis" and cite it.  A secondary source would be preferable, but I don't think anyone would challenge you citing the primary source.  I certainly won't.  But you can't say that Gounis published or founded the magazine unless you can find a reliable source (such as the magazine itself) which states that he did.--Dcooper 20:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Block
It seems to me that you are not able to contribute anything to the encyclopedia. You consistantly turn pages into disambiguation pages, add barely related items to disambiguation pages, and you have, once again, copied content of a page that is to be deleted into your user subspace. Wikipedia is not a search engine for you to fine tune. It is an encyclopedia. I have blocked you indefinitely. You may appeal this block with unblock or an e-mail to the unblocking mailing list.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 06:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Ryulong. You have received a great deal of advice from editors with more experience than yours, and have had several chances, and appear to have benefited from neither. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 21:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't pressed my dab suggestions since my last block. Yes, I've contributed to dabs--and created new ones from scratch (not turned pages into dab pages), but so what? Since when is contributing to Wikipedia bad? God damn...regardless, an arbitration process should occur, if anything. To be permanently banned over contributing to Wikipedia is just stupid (just as it was stupid to be permanently banned for a minor case of "incivility" by the same admin, who's obviously trigger-finger happy). If you look at my contribution history you'll see I have far more positive contributions to Wikipedia than the few minor infractions that've occurred with overzealous editors/admins who have come down on me for the stupidest of things (which has then led to the so-called "incivility" and whatnot)--ridiculous. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 02:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I like you. I am not anti-Eep2. However, the allegations of incivility are not imaginary. You have to stop using words such as "overzealous," "stupidest," and "ridiculous." Temporary blocks are used as strong warnings that your behavior is unacceptable. If you come back with excuses and accusations, everybody concludes that you are not going to learn and change because you are explicitly denying any wrong-doing. I hope that you are young (because the young seem to have a better chance of learning and changing) and that you take time to calm down and reevaluate what has occurred here. 68.89.149.2 23:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That is simply not true: in the last few days, you have disruptively pressed edits on at least the following disambiguation pages:
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch.  —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You call it "disruption"; I call it "improvement". On Bantam, I simple added a likely misspelling, "Bam Bam", per the WP:MOSDAB. I discussed my reasoning in the edit summaries or on talk pages, but you and others fail to see reason for them--just as you all have continually hindered Wikipedia's development so it can actually be useful when navigating instead of some hit-or-miss system it currently is. If anything, you and others are the ones causing disruptions; I am simply trying to improve Wikipedia. This is typical when too much power is in the hands of the few, as is obviously the case with Wikipedia. The ones out of touch are the ones who abuse their power (and/or aid in helping those with power abuse it). ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 19:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Translation: "I'm right and everyone else is wrong." "I'm not the problem, everyone else is."  Funny how this line has been seen before, my friend. --Modemac 20:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not your friend. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 12:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Everyone on Wikipedia except me" is an interesting definition of "the few"... —Piet Delport 15:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Eep2, when I indef blocked you a few weeks ago for this same continuing behavior, you were unblocked and given a second chance again, yet the unblocking admin still gave you a caveat that your behavior was not correct. Yet you have continued your behavior. Despite all the urging from other editors for you to be civil and work with the community, you have continually pushed your own vision of what Wikipedia should be. Whenever anyone disagrees, you instantly assume bad faith and jump on them with colorful neologisms like "consensorhip" and "wiktator." It's not just a few "overzealous admins" that have decided blocking you indefinitely is warranted - community-wide discussions at AN/I and your RfC have resoundingly disapproved of your behavior. Even your supporters above have urged you realize the errors of your ways. If you refuse to work with the community, then I am afraid contributing to Wikipedia just isn't for you.  Ƙ ɽ  ɨ  ɱ  ρ  ᶓ  ȶ  00:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wrong. I have only used such terms after I was already banned by said admins. Incivility is as incivility does, Krimpet et al. As I already explained above, I quoted direct dab guidelines yet I still get the shaft--that's rich. I demand arbitration--with an UNBIASED, OBJECTIONAL 3RD-PARTY. A few hard-assed stuck-up powermongerers aren't going to kill my Wikipedia editing hobby--nuh uh; I don't think so. Block me from editing dab pages, or something, but an entire ban is just fucking ridiculous considering the amount and quality of my contributions. Stupid beurocracy and politics... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 12:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to request arbitration, you should email one of the ArbCom clerks. See WP:AC/C for a list.  They can post a request for you and notify other involved parties. Mango juice talk 14:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I emailed 3 different clerks but only 1 (User:Newyorkbrad) responded and suggested I prepare an email explaining why I think my block was unfair, etc, which I did. He claimed to have forwarded the email to the arbitration committee and said I would hear back if action would be taken. 5 days passed and I emailed him asking what the status was and, if no action was going to be taken, how would I appeal that. He replied claiming that the committee advised him that they decline to lift my block at this time but no reason why was given. That's not how an arbitration committee acts. What's the point of an arbitration committee if it doesn't actually arbitrate? ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 03:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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Dear ∞ΣɛÞ²,i recently made some changes and added more stuff to peter beter's page(or should i say busted my @$#),would you mind having a look at it and do any changes that might seem neccessary??i just believe that it would definitely be useful to have your opinion.thanks budGrandia01 05:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would if I wasn't banned... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 05:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * hey man,would there be any way to remove this indefinite block from you??Grandia01 08:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm trying, but the so-called "arbitration committee" has given me the cold shoulder as described above. I'm working from the inside-out now in order to get Wikipedia (and all of MediaWiki) changed now, however (see my MediaWiki user page for more info). There are also MediaWiki extensions (like Semantic MediaWiki) that can categorize/organize Wikipedia far better than it is now, but Wikipedia would need to install them, of course. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 00:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Until he shows signs of understanding why people get pissed off at him so often, I don't give it much hope. --Alvestrand 06:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It goes both ways, Alvestrand--look in the mirror. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 08:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * and how do you two suppose to solve this thing now??Grandia01 09:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing I can do - I'm not the admin who decided to block Eep, not even one of the 3-4 admins who've declined to remove the block after reading through the chronicles of Eep's various quarrels. I've already said what I think Eep can do about it, but it seems unlikely that he will. --Alvestrand 11:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What can I do about it? Stop editing dab pages? Fine. But I still think Wikipedia's dab/navigation system is crap and could do with an extension or 8 to improve it (as I'm finding with my own MediaWiki site). I'm getting more involved in improving MediaWiki in general now, and will lobby to get have those improvements included which will then propagate to Wikipedia. Thankfully, MediaWiki development is less beurocratic than this Wikipedia nonsense. If these things don't show that I'm truly trying to improve Wikipedia (via MediaWiki) vs. "disrupt" it, then I don't know what will! ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 14:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Read what I wrote. I don't think you understand yet why people get mad at you. Hint: You've been in quarrels on multiple subjects. The subject's not the reason. --Alvestrand 16:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * People get mad/upset at/with me because they don't understand what I'm trying to accomplish--on many levels. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 18:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ∞ΣɛÞ²,man with all due respect,you have to know that you can't change others,if your superiors in some department(in which case here are the admins) want to do things in a certain way then it would be unwise to challenge them and do something that only you likes,you just have to live with it man.its like coming to work at 10am and your boss wants you there at 9am,everyone knows the consequence of this action.even if you hate something that your superiors insist on you still have to do it their way man,that's life,in hopes of getting something better than nothing.i'm not taking anyone's side,just little wisdom from someone who actually likes your edits wants you to stay here.thanksGrandia01 21:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: it's perfectly fine to challenge admins;  they are not above normal users.  What got Eep² into trouble was persistent incivility and anti-consensus editing.  —Piet Delport 02:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * My point wasn't about merely challenging admins,it was about consistently challenging and disobeying rules/policies(remember my 9am/1am example??).i agree with you though,the question remains however,is ∞ΣɛÞ² willing to reconcile or not??Grandia01 03:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And what would reconciling consist of? I'm not changing who I am. I have ideas and ways of doing things that usually aren't understood by most people at first. One person, Gaff, briefly (for a day or something) saw my ideas as a "paradigm shift" but then quickly retracted once he latched onto the Special:Allpages function, which is quite limited (as I pointed out to him and many others numerous times). As Q from Star Trek said on All Good Things... "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered." Seems like most admins/wikipedians I've encountered aren't open to much of anything, unfortunately; they'd rather keep the status quo and not evolve. That's not what Wikipedia (and collaboration) is about.


 * As I said, I'm working to change Wikipedia/MediaWiki from the inside-out vs. the outside-in, as my ideas tend to have greater acceptance among developers than short-sighted beaurocratic end-users on "consensual" power trips (groupthink). What's uncivil is the politics and beaurocracy within Wikipedia that limits its possibility, expansion, and completeness as a true compendium of knowledge. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 04:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * i see your perspective Eep,but the sad fact remains that your edits are not well-liked or received by many editors here,for example,look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alvestrand where it's clear that you're being--with all due respect--very close-minded,majority consensus is the basis for many decisions in our democratic societies,and if most editors disagree with your opinions,then one-sadly-has no choice but to abide.your stubborness will only lead to you being blocked,is that wise or practical to you??i like many of your ideas,but there's nothing i can do if most editors disgaree with you,also,you do have an in-your-face attitude(which some consider it uncivil),which is obviously not welcomed here.you can insist on doing what you were doing,and remain blocked,or pledge to change and contribute with more of your beautiful edits that i'm-personally-a fan of...Grandia01 05:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

(outdenting) I appreciate your concern, Grandia, but that's not who I am. Yes, I'm "in-your-face" (blunt) and direct. I've faced much worse opposition before in other forums (newsgroups and IRC, especially). I'm used to it. I know I come off as egotistical but I'm not; I'm just determined and hard-pressed. I see blocking as a last-ditch cop-out by those who choose to not understand my position and so retaliate the only way they can (if they have the power to)--by blocking/banning. You see, it's been done to me before many times. I'm getting used to it; I may not like it but deep down I am following what is true to me. It will probably lead to my very destruction (death et al) but I'm OK with that--I will die fighting for what I truly believe in, if necessary. Granted, Wikipedia and other online forums are hardly cause for alarm but they are a stepping stone to allegedly larger issues that could quite easily come my way in the future.

Anyway, I'm getting philosophically off-topic. I see other people's positions fine; I just don't usually agree with them fully (I tend to think relatively); hence my harsh reactions to stubborn-/narrow-mindedness when they refuse to see my position. And, really, the only Wikipdia edits that caused the most problems were disambiguation-related (which were in quite the minority, actually, if you go through my edit history). The incivility card is another cop-out for refusing to deal with the issue I raised: fixing Wikipedia's disambiguation system and expanding it to include a proper navigation system (as pseudo-outlined on User:Eep²/Wikinavigation).

As for democracy, sorry, but it's not majority rule; democracy implicitly protects the minority. Of course, Wikipedia is not a democracy; it's an oligarchy (and elitist), essentially. The minority can (and has) rise(n) up to overthrow the majority given enough sup-/oppression. I prefer balance and equality over inequal relationships such as majority-minority, etc. Admins have too much power. "Power corrupts." I'd rather have no power, but not everyone feels that way, which is why we have to play this silly political power-struggle game (not just on Wikipedia but in all of existence). I am close-minded towards majority rule, sure; but only if it refuses to allow minorities equal footing/rights.

Anyway, I'm rambling. If I'm unbanned, great; if not, oh well. I'll continue on with my "Wikipedia subversion" and see where it leads. Wikipedia is not that important--too bad its admins don't think so before banning people indefinitely... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 07:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * feel free to do what you believe is right,after all,a true man is one who persistently does what he believes in.i just hope to see you edit again sometime in the future,i definitely look up to you in many of your edits,especially when and how you saved the peter beter page from deletion.anyways,enough rambling,take care man,best of luckGrandia01 07:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, Eep nearly got the Peter Beter page deleted. The editor to thank for saving the page was Addhoc who addressed the concerns with the article and improved it while it was nominated for deletion.  Eep ignored all the concerns and wrote a series of messages attacking people who nominated it for deletion.  I wonder if there's a lesson to be learned in that?  Well, I guess if there were, it would have been learned by now.--Dcooper 13:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, I found a few legitmate references, Dcooper. I didn't attack anyone as can be plainly seen on Articles for deletion/Peter Beter and Talk:Peter Beter. Get your facts straight. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 21:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was referring to this |this edit, and you were busy attacking people for deleting the Eep2 page. But you're right that you added some ref's; I shouldn't have stated otherwise.  Still Addhoc deserves the credit for showing the article could be written with good references.--Dcooper 22:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, gee, I referred to a general group of people as idiots--oh noes! Lemme guess, "uncivil", right? Baloney... Wikipedia's incivility policy is so anal it'd make even homosexuals cry out in protest. Do you even leave your house and go out into the real world, Dcooper et al? The real world ain't civil all the time--in fact, it can get downright nasty--and that's not even having to do with people (ever been in a fierce thunder-/hailstorm, hurricane/tsunami, or near a tornado, for examples)? Be real please. Requiring people to constantly be touchy-feely sensitive isn't going to last long unless you want a biased user base towards things that don't actually make people think and maintain the status quo for however boringly long such people exist. &lt;insert sociological commentary here>


 * And it's interesting how you chose to refer to an initially unmentioned article while implying reference to another one already being discussed--and then only correcting yourself when called on it. I see you like to play games with people, like many other Wikipedians apparently do...not cool. It's precisely this kind of political/wordplay, mindtrick/-fuck nonsense I don't want to be involved with. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ 05:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your appalling incivility ends here. This page has been protected.  K r  i  m  p  e  t  08:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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