User talk:Its snowing in East Asia/Archive 2

--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 16:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC) =An intresting talk page archive on flu= I dug up this intresting talk page archive on flu for you.

Archive page- do not edit it any more!--86.25.53.120 (talk) 17:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

=The hope=

Help, can some one make a world supply of tamiflu available soon!--86.25.54.39 (talk) 13:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Roche estimates that 50 million people have been treated with oseltamivir. The majority of these have been in Japan, where an estimated 35 million have been treated.

In 2009, with increasing fears about the potential for a new influenza pandemic, swine flu, oseltamivir has received substantial media attention. --The real boffin man`. (talk) 08:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)  Treatment and prevention consists of-

[] and [and http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html] and [www.naturalnews.com/024982.html ] and [] --86.29.254.205 (talk) 02:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It's dreadful side effects include- nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and headache. Rare ADRs include: hepatitis, elevated liver enzymes, rash, allergic reactions including anaphylaxis, and Stevens-Johnson syndrome.--86.29.246.133 (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no it dose not! Only a few dozen have world wide!--86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

To quote User:Pigkeeper-

"Doctor says bird flu drug is ‘useless’ Dr Nguyen Tuong Van runs the intensive care unit at the Centre for Tropical Diseases in Hanoi and has treated 41 victims of H5N1. Van followed World Health Organisation (WHO) guidelines and gave her patients Tamiflu, but concluded it had no effect. ''“We place no importance on using this drug on our patients,” she said. “Tamiflu is really only meant for treating ordinary type A flu. It was not designed to combat H5N1 . . . (Tamiflu) is useless.”

Van... said avian flu had a frightening effect on its victims and the only way to keep patients alive was to “support” all their vital organs, including the liver and kidneys, with modern technology such as ventilators and dialysis machines.

“Laboratory studies show that Tamiflu is effective against all strains of flu,” said Bill Hall, director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory, who defended Ireland’s stockpiling of Tamiflu and other flu treatments. “The only limitation is when it is not administered within the first 24 hours of onset of symptoms.” ''

The WHO admitted Tamiflu had not been widely successful in humans. “However, we believe in many Asian countries it hasn’t been used until late in the illness,” a spokesman said.

Take what you will from this. In person experience like this is definitely worth a lot. But the WHO may have a point: when is this stuff given? The original studies on 'regular' flu administered the drug within ~40 hours after onset of symptoms. This also isn't calling into question the prophylactic efficacy of tamiflu. The efficacy there is actually pretty high for regular flu. Pigkeeper 22:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)Pigkeeper"

Here is a report from Canada about a test showing that tamiflu is 98% infective due to virus immunity to the medicine |86.29.254.128] (talk) 13:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Penicillin is ineffective against all virus's, it only kills bacteria and riketsia!--86.29.244.223 (talk) 08:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Poo-poos!--Oyswineflukilledmypiginpenrith (talk) 11:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Regard this to []!--86.29.246.66 (talk) 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

=H5N1!= H5N1 is an Influenza A virus subtype. Experts believe it might mutate into a form that transmits easily from person to person. If such a mutation occurs, it might remain an H5N1 subtype or could shift subtypes as did H2N2 when it evolved into the Hong Kong Flu strain of H3N2. --86.25.55.164 (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Help, My Lancashire hen has a drippy nose!!! --86.29.246.35 (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It's possible history as SARS.
Hong Kong, it take your breath away!--86.25.54.39 (talk) 13:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Snape?--86.25.54.96 (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hong Kong is so breath takeing!--86.29.254.128 (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Why are the never any reported cases in Macao.--86.25.52.139 (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

'''This is because Macao ran a cover up! Hong Kong and Taiwan were hones like everyone else, but China deflated the number of deaths in Bajing, Yunnan province and Macao severely according to Taiwanese media sources st the time!'''--86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it pig, horse or dog flu?
Is it related to pig, dog, bird or horse flu? I've here it's a mixture of 4 endemic to man, birds and pigs.--86.29.246.140 (talk) 09:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC) Cuba has cut all flights to Mexico now after cuba's first suspected case of swine flu !!!--86.29.246.140 (talk) 09:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

--86.29.246.140 (talk) 09:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, so dog flu is rife in America. Dog flu is influenza occurring in canines. Canine influenza is caused by varieties of Influenza virus A, such as equine influenza virus H3N8, which in 2004 was discovered to cause disease in dogs. --86.29.250.122 (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

H10N7 killed an Egyptian in 2004!--86.29.250.122 (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Horse flu may have caused the Aussie bloke to fall ill with 'swine flue'.

The continent/country of Australia had remained free of equine influenza until an outbreak in August 2007. While the virus was successfully contained and Australia has returned to its equine influenza-free status, the outbreak had significant effects to the country's racing industry.

An outbreak of equine influenza (EI) in Australia was confirmed by the New South Wales Department of Primary Industries on 24 August 2007 in Sydney. Also known as "horse flu" and "A1 influenza", the rapid outbreak was of the Influenza A virus strain of subtype H3N8. While the virus is highly contagious, it rarely kills adult horses but the performance of thoroughbred racing horses can be affected for several weeks. It can be fatal to young foals and debilitated horses. --86.29.250.122 (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

--86.29.250.122 (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, referring back to the Egyptian case, Egypt just killed off 400,000 pigs !--86.29.250.122 (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm never going to Australia ever again! I don't want my horse, Betty, getting ill!--86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

'All flu is related, but it is not a plague and there is no reason to keep your out of Australia, since equine flu has long passed. It is obvious that all flu is related, but this is not official speak for 'SARS strikes again, but in a different skin'!--86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)'

What does 'human created' means?
I have listen several rumours about A-H1N1-2009 is a human created virus.

Amazing! synthetic biology is believed to be very mature to design and create a new malevolent virus.

Human created does not necessarily means a human designed virus
A-H1N1-2009 is in fact a human created virus, it is the result of evolution by the interaction of birds, pigs and humans in farms.

Even if its genetically designed, its not necessarily a malevolent created virus
Some research is done in studying virus sequences in order to predict future mutations. Given the predicted mutations it is possible to synthesize the new sequence to produce vaccines with `dead' attenuated viruses before the virus evolves to the predicted mutation. As far as I know this method is not mature yet. My suggestion is you can add information about such theory in the article, just be careful checking citations, being serious not alarmist. It means, be clear about the context in which it may be true, and the possibility of  the hypothesis.

Good idea!--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Bio-weapons
I've herd of an abortive Soviet experiment to bread a super virulent form of botulism by the careful selecting of bacteria, irradiation and laboratory modification, back in the 1970's. Could Vladimir Putin have finally pulled it off with Swine and bird flu?!--86.29.251.150 (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it just the Soviets or did NATO spill some of it's own in Iraq and Afghanistanas well?--86.25.53.120 (talk) 17:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Egypt goes nuts
Some clerics blame "God's vengeance on the infidels" (or whatever people mean when they say things like that) for swine flu.

[] --86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Cat flu
"In Bangkok, Thailand, all the cats in one household are known to have died of H5N1 in 2004. Tigers and leopards in Thai zoos also died, while in 2007 two cats near an outbreak in poultry and people in Iraq were confirmed to have died of H5N1, as were three German cats that ate wild birds. In Austria cats were infected but remained healthy". Cats in Indonesia were also found to have been infected with H5N1.

The spread to more and more types and populations of birds and the ability of felidae (cats) to catch H5N1 from eating this natural prey means the creation of a reservoir for H5N1 in cats where the virus can adapt to mammals is one of the many possible pathways to a pandemic.

Germany, February 28, 2006!
A dead cat infected with the H5N1 bird flu virus was found in Germany. --86.29.248.143 (talk) 12:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

South Africa, mid 2003
Domestic cats can get H5N1 from eating birds and can transmit it to other cats and possibly to people. It may have spread to a vet during a Durban outbreak in 2003.

--86.29.248.143 (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Long live cats!--86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Cat flu symptoms
Cat flu symptoms most commonly include-

--86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Indigestion,
 * Loss of appetite
 * A high temperature,
 * Depression,
 * A runny nose,
 * Some eye disorders,
 * Coughing and
 * Sneezing.

=Human flu!=

Human flu is a term used to refer to influenza cases caused by Orthomyxoviridae that are endemic to human populations (as opposed to infection relying upon zoonosis). It is an arbitrary categorization scheme, and is not associated with phylogenetics-based taxonomy. Human flu-causing viruses can belong to any of three major influenza-causing Orthomyxoviruses — Influenza A virus, Influenza B virus and Influenza C virus.--86.29.246.3 (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Pandemic flu
An influenza pandemic is an epidemic of an influenza virus that spreads on a worldwide scale and infects a large proportion of the human population. In contrast to the regular seasonal epidemics of influenza, these pandemics occur irregularly, with the 1918 Spanish flu the most serious pandemic in recent history. Pandemics can cause high levels of mortality, with the Spanish influenza estimated as being responsible for the deaths of over 50 million people. There have been about three influenza pandemics in each century for the last 300 years. The most recent ones were the Asian Flu in 1957 and the Hong Kong Flu in 1968. --86.25.55.164 (talk) 09:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

=Swine flu!=

A new pandemic?
Aaaaaaaaaaah! It's the end of the world!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkgirl411 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, we got trough pandemic flu in 1918-1919 and medical science is even better now.--86.29.255.85 (talk) 02:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it's not like SARS.--86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

World wide
2009 flu pandemic table

I hope it's not going to be a bad outbreak, I reckon only about 9-10% of Mexican victims have sied so far, so it's no pandemic flu style plague yet!--86.29.246.3 (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

North African update
So Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco and Egypt have prepared for the worst and are screening any on coming from Mexico. Egypt has also seen riots over the resent pig culling- /  / !

Egyptian update
The Egyptian health ministry said on Thursday "That the decision to cull quarter of a million pigs was not a measure against swine flu but a general health measure." ""--86.29.248.49 (talk) 04:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well of course they say that now. Egyptians never like looking like complete morons. --PigFlu Oink (talk) 03:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the Egyptians never like looking like complete, hysterical, morons!--86.29.248.49 (talk) 03:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

See this- 

Ouch!--86.29.249.180 (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Egypt’s in chaos now! --86.29.254.205 (talk) 02:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC) []

Cuban update
Cuba is scared of it to- 

Portuguese update
Another Portuguese bloke has fallen ill now- --The real boffin man`. (talk) 08:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC) There are two new suspects in Portugal and zero probable. Please update the table. Thank you. --Valdispert (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC) --86.29.240.235 (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Poland - first case - 74.125.57.33 (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Switzerland now has 1 confirmed case of swine flu.

Oriental update
4 South Koreans are still being tested for the v ioruse [] [, [, [] and Thailand is checking out all air passengers arriving from Mexico. --86.25.54.96 (talk) 19:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC) A Thai woman has been found to be flu free ! --86.25.54.96 (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Chinese/Hong Kong/Macau update
China’s Inner Mongolia region has some cases of Swine flu now! China has also banned pork imports from the U.S.A. and Mexico ! Hong Kong has quarantined 300 people in a hotel, , [ ], ! China has gagged nosy reporters in the infested regions our side [[Hong Kong]] and Macau! 34 Chinese are now dead , ,

Mongolian update
'Mongolia is Swine flu free! ,, !!! Sadly, Bird flu is in parts of the country [].--86.25.55.164 (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)'

EU update
Denmark has just cleared 12 people of having swine flu, , , , , , Sweden has confirmed a case ,  as has Germany has one to , , , , , ! --86.29.249.180 (talk) 15:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Poland’s - first case - 74.125.57.33 (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Switzerland now has 1 confirmed case of swine flu.

Argentine update
All flights to and from Mexico are suspended! --86.29.250.97 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

S. African update
A South African is now ill with it! --86.29.250.97 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Irish update
Ireland has now got 4 pig flu victims.  The government has stated it has vaccine for over half the country so far. Airports are scanning every person entering checking of infections through thermal imaging and the minister joined a meeting in Luxemburg.

New Zealand update
1st confirmed human victim!!! I heard another e people has it about 15 minuiets ago.--86.25.54.96 (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

New Case in Guatemala
The map should be updated for El Salvador and Guatemala. (in Spanish)--Vrysxy ¡Californication! 22:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Canada update
Several pig herds have died of it in Alberta, Canada, ! --86.25.51.245 (talk) 04:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Pigs infected with H1N1 in non-Smithfield Farm at Canada.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) indicates that it has found H1N1 flu virus in a swine herd in Alberta. http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2009/20090502e.shtml http://investors.smithfieldfoods.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=381309 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmgg170 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Old news, but changed section heading to non-Smithfield per their release: Smithfield has no farms in Canada. The Alberta herd is quarantined and has nearly recovered.LeadSongDog come howl  22:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.240.235 (talk)

U.S.A. update
And in the U.S.A.!... --86.29.246.140 (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Mexican update
Mexico has nearly 200 deaths now []/ []! --86.29.240.235 (talk) 08:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC) --86.29.240.235 (talk) 08:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC) Mexico recons it is now in controll of the situation.

42 Mexicans are listed as dead! --86.29.250.97 (talk) 19:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

46 Mexicans are now dead, dummy!--86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

U.K. update
28 are ill in the U.K. now, including victims in Gloucestershire, Merseyside, Dulwich, Redditch and Oxfordshire !--86.29.246.3 (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Malagasy update
Madagascar is in lockdown now!  --86.29.240.235 (talk) 08:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Fijian update
Fiji has it's first case []!--86.29.240.235 (talk) 09:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Brazil has rwo more cases of swine flu, announces Minister
Brazil has confirmed its first case today, some minuts ago, I've just heard on televisionJoão P. M. Lima (talk) 22:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The Minister of Health of Brazil confirmed the first 4 cases of swine flu in the country. Three of the confirmed cases are from people that were in Mexico and the other is from a person that was in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.107.24.45 (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

4 persons infected in Brazil were confirmed.

Source: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,MUL1112949-5598,00-MINISTERIO+DA+SAUDE+CONFIRMA+QUATRO+CASOS+DE+NOVA+GRIPE+NO+BRASIL.html

+1 Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=adZ_DpGY6JPs&refer=home 189.122.194.161 (talk) 23:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Country has more two cases of the new flu, announces Minister

7-year-old girl is of SC and it had rise. Another patient is a friend of young person interned in the Rio de Janeiro

In the total, 6 persons infected with the swine flu in Brazil.

Might anybody update for me there in the article?

Source: http://g1.globo.com/Sites/Especiais/Noticias/0,,MUL1114606-16726,00-MINISTRO+DA+SAUDE+CONFIRMA+DOIS+NOVOS+CASOS+DE+INFLUENZA+A+NO+PAIS.html

--Rodfanaia (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

There has now been a death in Canada (Northern Alberta)
Somebody needs to change the color image to black for Canada.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.94.25.62 (talk) 14:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It isn't confirmed yet. Until someone does confirm it, we have to leave it suspected. If the death is caused by the flu, we'll hear about it in a few days. 204.81.98.230 (talk) 15:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A Canadian with swine flu died but it does not mean that her death was caused by swine flu. 206.47.141.21 (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Death now confirmed to be caused by the virus. First death in Canada confirmed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericleb01 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Italian update
Italy has a confirmed case now!--[]86.29.240.147 (talk) 14:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Costa Rican update
A 53 year old man, who never went to Mexico [] during the plague has now died!--86.29.247.157 (talk) 10:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Macau up-date
A China/Macau/Hong Kong vidio confrence was held. Macau is flu free .--86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC) --86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Palau update
Palau's Health Minister has issued a health alert and increased screening of passengers entering the country for swine flu ] --86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Affected countries mapped out
--86.29.253.163 (talk) 14:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Comparison chart
"A chart I put together for some quick perspective and comparison. Feel free to revise or expand." --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 01:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

"I like this alot. I think we should make a historical context section and place it after the introduction.  It would go over previous pandemics and outbreaks prior to this one.  What does everyone think?"--Hdstubbs (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The real boffin man`. (talk • contribs)

=An N.H.S. help line= Seek help here-!--86.25.55.164 (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Another UK NHS help line http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pandemic-flu/Pages/Introduction.aspx?WT.srch=1} --86.29.249.180 (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Help your doctor!
Remember this at all times!

You have been warned! --86.29.246.133 (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

=The swine flu death tolls so far!= 2009 flu pandemic table--86.29.249.180 (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It is hardly the wipe out Hong Kong flu was!--86.29.242.190 (talk) 09:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

As is here- []--86.29.254.205 (talk) 02:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The UN’s opinion!
The UN and WHO reckon that the UN pandemic alert level should stay at level 5 and not be raised to level 6 in the near future-   . Mexico recons it is now in control of the situation .--86.25.51.45 (talk) 16:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It is hardly the wipe out Hong Kong flu or SARS were either!--86.25.48.106 (talk) 09:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This outbreak is over. Thank god this wasn't another SARS.  206.47.141.21 (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, talk about misreading the refs! LeadSongDog come howl  18:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It's no real shakes, man. --86.29.254.205 (talk) 02:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

WHO total deaths 46
WHO totals 	2500[2] 	N/A 	44[2]

The ref says

Mexico has reported 1204 laboratory confirmed human cases of infection, including 44 deaths. The United States has reported 896 laboratory confirmed human cases, including two deaths.

And the WHO map of deaths and cases says 2,500 and 46 deaths.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/GlobalSubnationalMaster_20090508_1815.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.211.181 (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Video attached


He's our medical saviour!!! --86.25.54.96 (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

=Time line!= Here is a good time line of events and infections not the internal! --86.29.249.180 (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

=Fatalities!=

I think there is not going to be a repeat of pandemic flu because only about 5-7% of Mexican victims, 2 Americans and 1 Spaniard have died so far!--86.25.51.245 (talk) 04:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It is hardly the wipe out Hong Kong flu was!86.29.242.190 (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you call 53 deaths in 5 countries, including Costa Rica a 'no wipe out' incident. --86.29.255.85 (talk) 01:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Historical context
The last two pandemics killed around 1 million people each, so why does the table only mention U.S. deaths? The key word here is "pandemic". cyclosarin (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to this table? – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

46 deaths is hardly SARS like! --86.29.254.205 (talk) 02:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

1976!
It will blow over, just like this one did! --86.25.50.119 (talk) 10:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)--86.25.50.119 (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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Poo-Poos!!!--86.29.244.127 (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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