User talk:Keeper76/Archive 5

WP:HAU
Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 03:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC) ✅ Keeper  |  76   |   Disclaimer  14:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks
Well, I guess I’m an admin now. Thanks for your support at my recent request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 13:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is one of the best thank-spams ever! Your first sentence is a gem.  You'll do well, best of luck to you, enjoy the buttons, and all that jazz.  Keeper   |  76   |   Disclaimer  13:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Crime victim notability
posting here because I'm 90% sure you were involved in the discussion that I now can't find, or if you weren't someone else watching was. 69.140 raised a good question on my talk page about crime victim notability and as I said, I know there was discussion on this and a proposal for a guideline that addressed this. Of course I can no longer remember who proposed it or where the discussion lived. Any chance you remember? Thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He blew his mind out in a car. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 13:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang your fast. Sheesh!  E/C, trying to post the same thing....Keeper   |  76   |   Disclaimer  13:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * and now I e/c'ed -- thanks both of you! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

So is Keeper now notable for being such a vandal? :-p TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a group called WP:HAU, (look into adding yourself if you want, you definitely "qualify".) with new userbox that is supposed to autopopulate a category. But it doesn't. I've tried to fix it.  I caint.  I've given up. No more vandalism.  Definitely a BLP1E situation.  Keeper   |  76   |   Disclaimer  16:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Seen the group around when Useight was notifying a couple of people on my watchlist but wasn't sure if you had to be invited. I have no idea when userboxes autopop -- bummer that you couldn't make it work. I;m off to check out the group now. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That RfA link
As I said, I didn't want to keep using Balloonman's page for that conversation. Anyway, thanks for posting the link to that RfA. To me, other people's jumping the gun to vote early is not a valid reason to oppose someone's RfA. That strikes me as frankly ridiculous. The error is on the part of the early voters, not the nominee. Aleta  Sing 15:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right Aleta. Cheers, Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aleta, I agree, it is not a valid reason to oppose an RfA. However, it should be noted that in cases where there is unnecesary over-nominating and several supports (or opposes) pre-transclusion, that is still a problem for that RfA. There is still a lot drive-by voting on RfAs, and it's not that crazy to think that an RfA transcluded with several support votes will be more likely to continue garnering them with not enough attention actually given to the candidate. It's a tough situation, because even pointing out the problem in neutral or discussion will still be unfair to the candidate, but it is unfair to the community if an RfA becomes improperly skewed in any direction. Wisdom got somewhat derailed by it, but at the same time I found the concerns valid, it was sad to see it having a negative effect on him. The point is that it shouldn't have a positive effect either, which it certainly can. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh. I completely agree with that too!  You're like 3 for 3 today Gwynand!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wonder if if would be possible for someone to code the RfA template such that it would not be possible to vote before transclusion. The transclusion would turn it "on" in effect. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 15:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I back away slowly with template work. Not sure if that's possible other than maybe a very stern warning in the edit window. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When I create a nom, I always add a hidden comment telling people not to support until the RfA goes live as early votes can derail the candidate. I also try to tell the candidate to make sure there are no supports when they transclude it.  (I'm not worried about early opposes---removing an early oppose might garner more opposition!)Balloonman (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it all just depends on people's moods. For example, looking at different AN and ANI threads right now, you'd think the world was ending.  I just transcluded my most recent nom yesterday, with my support (and the co-noms) both "prefilled".  No one said boo.  Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I recently stumbled across a very enlightening thread on SandyGeorgia's talkpage, and have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments of the editors there. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The world is ending. Just wanted to point that out. Enigma  message 17:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

spammer
Please take a look.  Enigma  message 17:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're turn to look. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, well he did it also on WT:ADMIN. It seems to be an account created to promote a company.  Enigma  message 17:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Didn't notice it there.  If I'm trying to get my company added to Wikipedia quietly, covertly, I suppose that would be the first place I'd add it too.  Heh.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah well. Hopefully the account will be blocked if it comes back to spam again.  Enigma  message 17:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy
Just to let you know, ther's a discussion about RyRy on my talk page. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="blue">Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 17:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a discussion about RyRy on everyone's talkpage. Mine, his...I'll look at yours too Steve.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This user, despite everyone having "adopted" him as the Young Apprentice of Wikipedia, takes up way too much of editors' time and resources. While it's regretful and the knee-jerk reaction is probably to discuss this ad nauseum all day and give him some sort of "final warning", the glaring reality is that this problem is not likely to go away. I'm not explicitly endorsing a block here, but I do think everyone needs to move on and spend time on more constructive issues. I had a boss once who told me, "If you think you're spending too much time trying to make a person better, you are." I didn't necessarily agree with my boss there, but I think it applies here. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Fordmadoxfraud‎
"No need for all caps, EVER!"

That made me laugh, thanks. :D I feel ashamed it took me so long to get it. When don't you include something funny in a post?-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 20:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A priest, a rabbi, and a golfer all walked into a bar...nevermind. I'm finished for the day.  Glad you enjoyed that.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam
<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"><font color="#084C9E">, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No email?!
I was surprised to find you don't have an email address specified.. Send me one if you like, and I'll reply. Friday (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See my User page, under "Administrator-y stuff". I've never enabled email, never will.  (Gasp! What if you lose your password! /gasp) Que sera.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, damn. Many people solve this problem by making an email account specifically for Wikipedia stuff.  But, no matter.  I almost always prefer things be done in the open, also.  I was going to say a thing or two that I'd prefer be less public, but it's not all that important.  Friday (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it can't be said here, then I don't want it anyway. And, because I primarily edit from a work computer, that has some serious filters because of the nature of my work,  I can't access web-based email/gmail/yahoo/whatever.  So even if I wanted a generic Wiki-email, I couldn't.  Oh, well.  Although, you have certainly piqued my curiousity....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Part of it was just this: I'm married to a college instructor. An appalling number of her college students don't understand how to source things properly.  Maybe they teach this in some schools, but it's clearly not universal.  It's also possible they've mostly all been taught this, and some of them choose to forget about it.  Friday (talk) 18:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (to Friday e/c)As I said in a thread somewhere (probably here) today, I'm also married to a tenured college professor. Wrote the curriculum for a Research Writing course that she teaches.  Where you are required to cite sources, cite everything.  And yet, at least once per semester, some 22-year-old needs-this-last-English-credit-to-graduate, goes and rips off a source.  Plagiarism.  They know it's wrong. I believe it is universal.  They've known it's wrong to copy since kindergarten.  But there's pressure.  Pressure to graduate.  Pressure for good grades.  In Wiki-world, RyRy has been "pressured" by wikipedian co-editors to perform "mainspace" editing. I'm guilty of doing it myself, even awarding a Barnstar (something I generally despise) for Baseball uniform.  Argh. He needs to go back to user-subspace oblivion.  Or get about 5 years older magically.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I echo that. Just a few years ago I was astonished when peer reviewing papers in some of my college classes. When I once questioned a student on taking word-for-word a section from an author's article, she claimed "That was just his opinions on Gandhi, not facts, so I don't need to source it." This was at an actual major university. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thritto. I defended my thesis this semester and everyone swaps past horror stories. One of the prime ones was from Dec '06, someone being found uduring their orals to have ripped off a large section. That's it -- done and done. Sad shame that could have been avoided, but wasn't. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thritto. Just checking if this is redlink or blue link. Oops! Meant to hit preview! (Some of you will catch the irony of that last sentence. Some won't...)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ...along the lines of a birthday card I saw once: "I was going to give you some cash for your birthday in this card, but I'd already sealed the envelope"  Crap.  I don't have a source for that....probably copyrighted too....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)Could I vandalize your userpage and change the 1400+ admins thing? We have less than 1000 active administrators. Common misconception. Hundreds have quit the project and still have the bit.  Enigma  message 18:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WFYB - <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have proxy !voting rights for the 400 inactive admins. Whatever I say, they all automatically agree with me.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for waiting so long to disclose this, jerk. I think ArbCom is the only place for this one, really. An RfC won't cut it for someone who controls hundreds of admins by proxy.  Enigma  message 18:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, silly E-man. You assume I don't control ArbCom?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This has gone too far. If even Arbcom cannot help, we have only one choice left: we'll have to drive by his house and shout rude things at his dog.  Friday (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My beagle welcomes whatever you can throw at him. Literally.  He'll frickin eat Whatever You Throw At Him.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This reminds me of an excerpt I recently read in Sports Illustrated. I don't want to clutter your talk page, so see my sandbox.  Enigma  message 01:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I just drove down the highway with two heavy bookcases strapped to the roof of a Camry. I'm up for driveby shouting. Who's with me?  Enigma  message 21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, I as actually going to send you one of those templated notices like you use to alert someone for an AN/I thread, but I couldn't find one for ArbCom.  Enigma  message 22:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's probably a good thing that you haven't seen one of those, or know where to find one. They do exist, and the fact that you don't know where to get one is a very good sign for you.  :-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * bbbbut I wanted to send you a notice!
 * {{Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  {{#if:|The discussion can be found under the topic {{{1}}}.}}   Yours,  Enigma  message 00:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Not complaining ... just commenting
I have never been impressed when someone excuses their own bad behaviour as being caused by some else's bad behaviour. I'm sure there's some wikimantra somewhere like WP:POINT that may make the case better than I can.

Fundamentally I believe that an apology ought not to include blame, else it's just the start of another argument. It appears that I'm in a minority of one on that issue though, so that's just set my next RfA back by another three months. I really can't understand how you administrators manage to live long enough to ever get through an RfA. :lol: :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree. You missed the part where he called KMW a "troll".  That said, it very much belongs in the "bygones" section.  Also called the waste bin.  Which is why I archived it before anyone got kicked to hard, yourself included :-) .  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No doubt you were right to close what was in danger of becoming an unproductive and potentially acrimonious discussion. My own view on these matters is slightly different though, and best summed up by GBS; "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." I like to think of myself as the archetypal "unreasonable man". I only wish that there were more like me. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it makes you feel any better, I find you completely unreasonable. :-) Looking forward to nomming you for RfA#2, for that matter. A reasonable man would decline my offer...:) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe one day. It may be though that the new wikimedia software changes will encourage the unbundling of the admin tools, which I'd far prefer. I'd be happy with reviewer tools, and leave the vandal fighting and so on to you guys. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * F*** that. I never do "vandal fighting".  Find it rather boring.  Only what's in my watchlist, or brought to my attention.  I'm not opposed to "unbundling" the tools though, just haven't seen a really good system/proposal set up yet. Until then, you'll hafta live with seven days of hell on earth.  I'll nom you though.  Nice to see you not sticking pins in your eyes whilst talking about Rfa...  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want the admin buttons, I spend far too much time on wikipedia as it is. My wife keeps asking me "Are you getting paid for this?" My RfA was just an offer to help out. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left a message for you on your talk, MF. I'm a stubborn little bugger. :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In, you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Wikipedia's guideline on links to avoid overlinking.  Enigma  message 21:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * HELP! HELP! HE'S GONE ROGUE, OR SHOULD I SAY, ROUGE!!!!  Enigma  message 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * it was actually a redlink warning. that joke didn't work out too well  Enigma  message 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you just template a regular??? You bastard! I'm going to Arbcom with this e-man. You need to be stopped....(wink)<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * click me  Enigma  message 21:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. I actually like that essay that DHMO wrote.  A sanity check. (Oh, shit, there goes my chance at 'cratship...)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

For the record I no longer hold that viewpoint. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, mate, I don't hold that viewpoint either, I just said I liked the essay. :-) I didn't know it existed until recently and, being able to see deleted content and all, found it rather interesting is all. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * My mistake. Sorry, DMO. I forgot that Keeper, as admin, could view the essay, otherwise I just would've linked to the redlink essay. The reason I linked to the RfA was because it was the only place I knew of that discussed it.  Enigma  message 00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Fordmadoxfraud's RFA
I made a comment about your !vote at FMF's RFA, if you could take a look, that'd be great. Thanks. Useight (talk) 00:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC) ✅. Sorry 'bout that Useight. Rephrased to mean what I meant :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Apology
Thanks for Archiving it... Majorly/Al Tally F'd up big time... but he was trying to make amends... even if it wasn't the way people necessarily wanted. To leave the thread open would have been a bad thing.Balloonman (talk) 05:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Glad it (the archiving) held up, and glad Maj-al-orly-tally is back in business.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you stand another comment about it?
("It", of course, being the RyRy sitch. Man, I REALLY wish you had e-mail enabled, because THIS is the sort of thing I'd rather not say on-wiki!) Keeper, I would consider you one of my few "wiki-friends", and so it bugs me to have to say this, but in regard to the events of the past few days...somethin' ain't right. I can't say for sure WHAT, exactly, is going on, but my "somebody's-about-to-get-screwed-over" sense is tingling. (This is a fairly sharp sense, incidentally. I have been screwed over by people who, if screwing others over were an Olympic event, would have made at LEAST the alternates, if not the first team. So I know of whence I speak.) Tonight I was doing some mundane housework stuff, while thinking about what all has happened within the last week, and I just thought to myself, This just seems off-kilter somehow. And the last time I had this kind of sense about a Wikipedian, things went south pretty quickly (think Ryan Postlethwaite and Riana and mentorship). I'm not suggesting you should detach yourself completely--maybe everything is exactly as it seems on the surface--but...Just be careful. Don't put your reputation on the line, okay? I'd hate to see your good faith get abused. Just my opinion, though....Gladys J Cortez 06:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heeding. I'm not worried 'bout my reputation.  I would need to have one first. :-) I'm not sure who you think is "about to get screwed over"...me? RyRy? Someone else?  As far as I can tell, this is a pretty non-complex issue of a too-young editor making mistakes and getting unwanted attention for it.  Tis no biggie.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Started writing this earlier, then got distracted and shut the doggone browser window...Anyway. Not trying to be all gloom-and-doom Cassandra about this--I'm just concerned. (Incidentally-it was you I was worried about, not Ry. And I disagree with your quip about not having a reputation to uphold, either--after all, if you didn't have a good reputation, your talk page wouldn't be such a popular place! :) As long as you're comfortable with events, that's the important thing. Gladys J Cortez 22:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for reinstatement of deleted content
Hey there, again--tired of me yet? Anyway--A couple of days back there was this user, User:Webkinz Mania, who created an article called Sprout Sharing Show, about a show on PBS KIDS Sprout. Well, the user turned out to be a sock of perennial thorn-in-my-gluteus Jamesinc14, and in cleaning up after his sockification, JzG deleted the article. The article itself was useful, and I'd done a bit of work on it before I'd realized it was a sock that had created it (aren't admins supposed to check the history before they delete an article like that?) Anyway, I asked JzG if the article could be restored--or, lacking that, if I could have the deleted content back; his reply came off to me as somewhere between "No, too trivial" and "Maybe later--I've got more-important things to do." Either way, he's not the guy I want to piss off by nagging him on something he's already characterized as insignificant--any chance you could either a)reinstate the article, or b)undelete it to my userspace? I understand if that's not considered sporting in the world of admins--if that's the case, I'll just brace myself and go visit the lion in his den again. :) (I have no problems with JzG--he's a good admin--but he's just known to be a bit...snappish, would be one word for it. And, on-wiki as well as off-, I have an aversion to other people's anger.) Either way, thanks for taking the time to read this... Gladys J Cortez 12:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Sprout" ranks right up there with "Caillou". Actually, I was watching Sprout this morning over breakfast with my 2.5 year old.  I hate that he loves it.  Especially because I DVR'ed my Twins game from last night, haven't had a chance to watch it yet.  I'll put it in your userspace though, seems a reasonable request.  You'll be able to find it a the link User:Gladys j cortez/Sprout Sharing Show as soon as it goes blue.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See, if I was an eeeeevil person, I'd spill the Twins result--but that would mean I'd hafta look it up, and I'm not THAT mean--esp not to someone who's just done me a favor!! lol...Actually I don't so much mind Sprout. I'll occasionally put it on as background noise if there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE on TV. Anyway, THANK YOU so much for taking care of that deleted article--now I have to go figure out how to move my first page! Gladys J Cortez 22:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just click "move". (it's on the top of the page, next to "delete". O, wait.  I mean, next to "history"....:-)   Whenever I watch Sprout, I can't help but cry for the "hosts" that hafta talk like they enjoy talking to 4 year olds.  The two genteleman (names escape me) that are sprout regulars look, to me, like they probably drink a lot.  You know, because of the route their acting careers took...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar notice

 * heh. Well, I suppose.  If you can't laugh at this insane website, (and especially that insane talkpage), you can't laugh at anything.  Appreciate it, Stifle, much obliged.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re Talk Page
Yep, It's all sorted out now. Thanks. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="blue">Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 18:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck! <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You missed one...
Have just skimmed through your "quotes" page — all well and good, but are you aware that you don't have the single greatest piece of trolling of all time on there? I just love the fact that at least two of our Very Established And Respected Admins took it seriously.<font face="Trebuchet MS"> — <font color="#E45E05">iride <font color="#C1118C">scent  00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. That's an f-in hilarious thread.  I've always liked that "forgetaboutit" guy (I can never spell his name right).  My subpage is open, feel free to add it if you want to...) (and thanks for the chuckle, that thread was before my time...)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request
Hello, I am contacting you because you're a member of the League of Copyeditors. Would you be interested in taking a look at Highlander: The Series (season 1) which is currently a Featured List Candidate ? The quality of the prose is the only remaining objection to its promotion and I would really appreciate your help. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, sorry! Just saw this message down here.  I'll be happy to look at your FLC, what's your timeline?  I'm generally not online on the weekends other than, well, right now.  I'll be offline most likely till Monday.  If you need assistance before that, just leave a message here with a "nevermind".  If you haven't even seen this message until Monday ;-), then we can go to work!  I spend way to much time loitering around here anyway, I need to exert some effort....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's Monday in my time zone and I've just seen your message, so let's go to work ;D I'd appreciate if you could begin today because this FLC is 24 days old and I really can't stand the suspense anymore. Thank you for your help, Rosenknospe (talk) 07:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I hadn't noticed Dcoetzee had already done the copyedit when I wrote that. See, I told you. I just can't stand it anymore ;D Thank you very much for offering to help anyway, and I'll recontact you next time I've got a FLC ready, if you like. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy5
Keeper, what do you make of this new DYK User_talk:RyRy5?  MBisanz  talk 23:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * not keeper but a comment, why does he get a DYK when he did not a thing according to the article's history? I don't see the point in awarding a DYK for an article that the nom has never even touched. I guess that's an issue with the process more than anything. Just my .02 TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 00:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone can nominate (including you, including me, and including RyRy) any new or extensively expanded article for DYK, whether they contributed to the article build or not. RyRy has much bigger problems right now than silly little DYK barnstars though.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I saw your warning not to accept DYKs from him and didnt know what should be done. All clear.  MBisanz  talk 00:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You did the right thing (as always) MBisanz, although I'm not RyRy's keeper. I'm just Keeper. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're *everyone's* Keeper, I think that's why your talk page needs to archive as frequently as it does-otherwise you'd be in DGG territory in about one week. That said, my new laptop can handle DGG's and I love it -- not limited to reading him from work. And now that's gone and gotten another song in my head TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 01:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just one thing I don't understand, why does everyone think I'm a kid?--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan Cross (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 01:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You've stated in more than one place, Ryan, that you are a certain age. Unless you are lying, other Wikipedians have no recourse but to assume you're telling the truth, and that you are in middle school (like the userbox on your userpage says so).  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Userbox? -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan Cross (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 01:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at your userpage in a while, but you used to have a userbox that said "this user is in middle school". That's all I was saying.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't recall adding a user box like that. I may have added it by mistake. When I was a beginner editor here, I didn't know much about templates and userboxes so I copied all of a user's userboxes and added it to my user page. I may have got that user box by mistake. I have been removing my userboxes if you haven't noticed and I may have removed it a long time ago. Please note that I am WP:COOL. There's just some confusion here that I am trying to solve. But due to my new laptop, things could be slow until I can fix my PC.--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan Cross (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 01:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. You do understand that, regardless of your age, (and I don't care what your age is), that copyrighted/copied material is unacceptable? I'm washing my hands of this, and of any responsibility of you and your editing.  I wish you all the best.  I'll give you advice if you ask for it.  But I am not your keeper, I will not be your guide, I'm not your adopter, and I will not be responsible for your editing, right or wrong.  Don't take that too harshly, but I need to move on.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do understand that it is wrong. I was actually rewording it, if that's okay but I seem to have failed. Although, one of my copyvios here was actually a mistake. I was testing to see if that copyvio bot would appear if I previewed the article and I wanted to read what would appear, but I accidentally clicked "save page". Although the bot came just like I wanted. I guess I should have asked instead testing it myself. But I believe the rest was me trying to reword it but I failed to do so. I know your not my keeper, adopter, or any other name as you wish, but I trust that you are a good admin, and that's why I always come to you for advice. You are very responcible also. I wish you luck. Cheers, unless you want to comment... <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan Cross (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 01:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy, I've been a supporter of yours in the past, I've even given you a barnstar. But still, I'm very disappointed in your recent DYK nominaations, because I thought they were good nominations. Now, I don't trust you and anything you type, because I'm not sure if it's your work, or if you're copying someone else. I'm rather hurt by that, becuase I trusted you and I was proud of you. I'm washing my hands of this. I will no longer be a source of help for you, and I will no longer be a supporter of yours. I'm sorry that sounds harsh, but I believe that you do not quite fit in to Wikipedia, and I believe you are not mature/old enough to understand what we're trying to do here. Please don't be angry, but at the same time, please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, edited by everyone, mostly adults. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear. I'm not angry at all, just a little disappointed, not with you, but myself. I understand what I have done wrong. I hope I can improve myself, my work, and your trust. I hope someday you can trust me again, but from what I have experienced, that won't be anytime soon. I don't know what to to from here. I will contact you when I believe I have improved myself in my work, if that is okay with you. I hope I can be again a supporter of yours again. Cheers for now. -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan Cross (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 01:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RyRy (or Ryan or Ryan Cross), I wish you all the best. I never say never, so I'll take your word for it that you'll work to improve.  You need to understand that you are running out of last chances.  I would hate to see you blocked, and being the subject of a post at the administrators' noticeboard is really no fun, it's rather embarassing.  Keep working, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've thought
If both you and iridescent are willing to add your co-noms to, then I'll go for it again. I've thought long and hard about the many inevitable opposes, and I'll take what I can from them. As Rudyard Kipling said "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, And treat those two impostors just the same ..." about sums up how I feel right now. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Added co-nom, replied on your talkpage. And then wet myself with anticipation.  Going offline in a bit here, gone till Monday morning US time.  My first stop will be WP:RFA.  It better be live by then.  If it tanks, don't leave.  It won't tank.  It shoulda passed last time, got ridiculously derailed through no fault of your own.  Read my co-nom to understand how serious I am about your worthiness for adminship.  Cheers my friend, thanks for not sticking pins in your eyes....:-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it tanks, it tanks. It won't kill me, and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I'll still be here ploughing my furrow no matter what the outcome. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just transclude the damn thing, won't you? I'm even willing to bet that the editors that decided to Rfc you will support you.  We'll see....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Malleus. You took the plunge. Does that mean hell froze over? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm skating on the devil's porch right now! Malleus is an unreasonable editor.  Which means he's already victorious.  And yes, it means that RfA#2 is about to go live.  You best be supporting, water....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting question H2O. Would you like the short answer or the long answer? The long one's quite interesting, as it proves that Hell is in fact exothermic. The short answer is rather dull by comparison. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like the long answer, but I'm not sure if Keeper could handle it. ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, let's try and keep Keeper's head in one piece. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone asks, the cabal has decreed that Keeper is not to know the status of hell. *secret handshake* dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The "status" of hell? Isn't it rather hot?  What other "status" could it have that I can't know about? :)<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OH, OH! Can I do the edit count? CAN I DO THE EDIT COUNT?!-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 03:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Mall's talk page
Pedro Keeper, I posted a long comment here, which somewhat addresses you and Keeper Pedro in addition to Malleus. It's likely you'll find it on your own, just posting here to be prudent. I also hope this isn't first news you see that his RfA hasn't started out highly successfully... but who knows maybe it will have turned around by the time you read this. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 21:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Keep, hope you were able to read my long comment to Mall. Despite his suggestion as to my vote in his response, I believe I'm just gonna stick with the silent neutral in the case. The reason? I have to say I am beyond confused on this RfA, for so many reasons. It's funny, I had a 2000 byte follow up response to Mall... which I read a few times, then erased (never posted), and stepped away. I'm glad he seems to be OK with everything, hope you are too. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
There are many editors such as Fritz Poll and myself who have turned down adminship. I have 154,000 edits but still haven't been made an admin. This is partly due to the reaosn I try to solely concentrate on encyclopedia content. Sometimes I agree having just rollback rights is silly when i sometimes need admin tools for certain tasks  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 10:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever been nominated/ran through RfA? Are you interested? (Also, read the thread below, you've been mentioned a couple of times in it...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * NO!, I call dibs on nomming Blofeld! I bet Keeper can't even find the secret RFA nom template, bwahahaha.  MBisanz  talk 20:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a secret RFA nom template? What the hell for?  Isn't the one we have perfectly reasonable?  What could the "secret" one do that the "regular" one doesn't?  (I'm just sounding belligerent because I wanna know where it is -- picture a two year old stomping his feet on the ground when you won't give him a third popsicle.... :-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be RfB-nom, the templates that lets him jump past admin, right to crat.  MBisanz  talk 22:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And with 154,000 edits, I'd probably support it:-) Alas, the community may not, so adminship is an appropriate baby-step... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Signature
It looks fine on mine, asked around and it looks fine on everyone's that I have asked. Are you sure your gamma and brightness/contrast are correctly set? <font face="Trebuchet MS"><FONT COLOR="#4682b4">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#5c9cc7">s</FONT><FONT COLOR="#72b5d9">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#87ceeb">nine</FONT> <FONT COLOR="#72b5d9">say what?</FONT>  21:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's likely. You might want to do a bit of calibration. <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="#4682b4">a <font color="#5c9cc7">s <font color="#72b5d9">e <font color="#87ceeb">nine <sup style="color:#72b5d9">say what?  22:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am going to restyle it tomorrow morning. <em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="#4682b4">a <font color="#5c9cc7">s <font color="#72b5d9">e <font color="#87ceeb">nine <sup style="color:#72b5d9">say what?  22:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! My poor eyes thank you.  Post here again so I can see your new sig!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
I've just looked at the latest tally, and I have to say that I'm taking some encouragement from the fact that although it has the highest number of opposes of any of the current candidates, it's still keeping its head above water at over 50%. It's possible though that I'm looking at this the wrong way. If I am, please don't wake me up. :lol: :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're taking this a lot better than I am. You deserve to be able to see and do what I can do.  If I was able to give you my "extra tools", I would.  The opposers, with few exceptions, and in my opinion, are rehashing old shit.  You are obviously and completely dedicated to making this a world-class encyclopedia.  Que sera, as you've said.  I sincerely thought you would pass, with obvious yet minimal (and predictable) opposition.  You're taking this way better than I am.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's no more or less than I expected to be honest. I don't fit the mould (do you guys spell that mold?) of the archetypal wikpedia administrator, and I very likely never will, at least not until Hell becomes exothermic. I'm still interested to see how the whole thing plays out though. If I had thought that there was even the slightest chance that I would get upset over this, then I'd never have agreed to it. I'm really not bothered whichever way it turns out. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you're not bothered. I'm bothered.  You've been doing this Wikipedia crap longer than me, and better than me.  You should be able to see deleted pages, and unwatchlisted pages.  You should be able to block vandals, and all the other crap that comes with adminship. I would have never pushed you into this if I didn't think it would pass. It likely won't pass at this point, and I owe you my sincerest apologies, not for the heartbreak (again, you're taking this way better than I am), but for the distraction.  My apologies Malleus.  I'm glad you've asserted that you won't leave because of RFA #2, wrought out of my own insistence. Sincerely, I'm glad.  Whether it passes or not (and it likely won't), I'm glad you're willing to let it ride out to the end (You never know, right?).  Once we're both on the other side, you can go back to making Wikipedia better through FA and GA, and I can go back to whatever it is I do here, which I'm starting to wonder about. (Look at my recent contribs, you'll know what I mean)...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You give up too easily. It's not over until the fat man sings. I'll admit that it has been a distraction though, so I may need a bit of a jolt to spot any more "optional" questions. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not very good at subtlety - I really do need to be lumped on the noggin sometimes - so you'll need to give me a clue as to what I ought to be looking for in your contributions. I will say just say one thing though, as someone who's been around wikipedia just a bit longer than you have. Sooner or later most editors realise that wikipedia is potentially a bottomless pit that will suck as much out of you as it can and discard you when you've burned out. And especially as an administrator I can well imagine that the net daily account of "thank yous" to "f*** yous" is almost always going to be on the debit side, and that's bound to take its toll. So I'd recommend my approach to anyone; do whatever you think is right and b****r the consequences. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, what matters is what you think.
 * And on that note, to start tomorrow's ledger off on the credit side, I'm going to thank you for encouraging me to start RfA#2. I don't care what the final outcome is, and neither should you. I view it as a test of the integrity of the RfA process, not of my own suitability for the role. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

My recent RfA
Thank you for supporting my RfA, which unfortunately didn't succeed. The majority of the opposes stated that I needed more experience in the main namespace and Wikipedia namespace and talk space, so that is what I will do. I have made a list and I hope I will be able to get through it. I will go for another RfA in about three month's time and I hope you will be able to support me then as well. If you have any other comments for me or wish to be notified when I go for another RfA, please leave them on my talk page. If you wish to nominate me for my next RfA, please wait until it has been about three months. I will not be checking back to this page so if you would like to comment or reply please use my talk page. Thanks again for participating in my RfA!  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 06:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

On to other things...
Hey Keep. I've got a question for you. Take a look at this article and articles for surrounding years. Should articles be created in this manner? There is some potential for data to be added, and an AfD wouldn't really be about notability. So... should all these articles (possibly 1k+) be created with empty data, to allow people to add. Rather, not should they be created, but should they stay as empty like this? Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, posting here to say I'm looking into it to offer an opinion. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and just to clarify, this is meant to be a conversation for discussion's sake. I don't intend to start sending these to AfD. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My initial thoughts, generally speaking, is that articles shouldn't be created "empty", if only because they'll get CSD'd. An article like 526 in poetry is as useless as a bluelink as it is as a redlink like so many of the other years listed in List of years in poetry.  They should be created when they have at least something to say.  A good example of an editor that does a lot of "one liners" The Right Way TM is the editor above this post, Blofeld of Spectre.  Usually (at least where I've seen it) with geographic articles on villages/towns/communes in Europe, he will begin an article that consists, at least textually, of Village x is a village in Country Y.  Perfectly acceptable in my opinion, as building a framework for further contribs.  But empty ones, like the poetry ones from the 6th century seem to take it to a new extreme.  Again, they don't do anything that a redlink in a list isn't already accomplishing.  I personally would delete the empty ones (for example, the one you linked was created 6 months ago. Never touched since.  Should go back to being a red link until something can be added).  Those are my initial thoughts anyway.  I've never been too active on the "lists of this by year" and "List of that by year" articles, so I'm unaware if there was ever any consensus driven discussion as to the merits of building up the bluelinks or not.  It could've already reached consensus for all I know (not that it couldn't change, just simply that our conversation here likely hasn't changed it).  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You want to see some one line geographical articles - look at my talk page: if the bot we're designing gets approved, there'll be tens of thousands of them.  Sorry to butt in - the subject caught my eye because when I started doing RC and New Page patrol, I was a little overzealous on empty articles.  Whilst I now just mark them patrolled, watchlist them and wait a quarter of an hour before tagging, I'd agree that there's no point having an article as a placeholder with no text.  That said, delete too quickly, and I've come to realise that people who don't know all the "rules" just seem to become disheartened.  It's a tricky business, this Fritzpoll (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just reading (in complete awe) what you and blofeld are discussing while you were typing here. Way way way over keeper's little technologically retarded mind.  Best of luck with that, and know that I'm thoroughly impressed.  If either of you need an administrator level assistance (besides RfA nominations:-), consider me an ally and an admin willing to help.  I have no credentials or sway in bot-land/BAG approval, but if you need anything else, give me a holler - <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You and your RfA noms! :-) Isn't two on the go at once enough?  The only admin related thing I'd want right this moment is access to Special:UnwatchedPages.  Thanks for the offer - you may come to regret it :-P Fritzpoll (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Right, I agree with both of you. Where a virtually empty article is created with the strong potential of being built up, it should stay. Furthermore, the very creation of those said articles will likely encourage building (like articles for small towns, rivers, etc). On the other hand, 1000+ articles on what happened in poetry with minimal likelihood for anything to be added in most of them, don't help. In a way, they can hurt, because all of those blue links waste people's times when they go to look for info on the subject. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and one logical leap further says that if the red link encourages article building, the blue link risks discouraging people Fritzpoll (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy Mackarel, Mother of Cod... I just looked over there too. Interesting stuff. Quick Q... has a bot ever been approved prior which actually creates (the basis of) articles?Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea, but the bot will be mostly done by the end of the evening, with any luck. This is what happens when my girlfriend has exams, and there's nothing on the telly Fritzpoll (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Impressively impressive. I think, to answer Gwynand's question, yes.  Fritzpoll, didn't Blofeld say the villages of Poland were bot created articles?  Not sure which bot, not sure of any of this actually.  But willing to help wherever with my ill-gotten and undeserved tools.:-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Telly... it seems like every day I learn that another user I know somewhat well is a Brit. (after e/c) So we do have bots creating articles? I have to say I am surprised at that.Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Well, if you managed to wade through the topic, you'll see that we're quite wary ourselves, and are creating an intermediate step to all a bit of human checking. Keeper, just so you know, I'm about to use an automated tool to make an edit in my own userspace - but it will be a single edit, and I am in control of the program.  If you want to stop me, you have about 5 minutes whilst I write up the code Fritzpoll (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fire away. Feel free to use my userspace as well if you need it for testing.  I have no problem with that.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I stuck to mine. It worked.  I'm almost disappointed....that is one well-written piece of software Fritzpoll (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * bot article  Enigma  message 00:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And, Fritz, to clarify, I have three noms at RfA right now. Wikipedia needs more admins to keep up with workload and backlogs, and more importantly, to be able to do the things that I can do, thereby freeing my talkpage from requests of good editors that should be trusted to work their way around Wikipedia freely like I can.  Deleted pages, unwatched pages, all invaluable.  I'm not looking for "AIV reporters", I'm looking for dedicated encyclopedia builders that understand policy, show a willingness to learn what they don't already know, and for the right reasons.  There are a half dozen editors that I've been bugging to run, two caved in this week (and the other nom I stumbled into).  If I see a good candidate, I pester them until they cave in.  Fritzpoll and Gwynand, you're both in my cross hairs right now.  Blofeld too, depending on how he answers my questions above about what he feels his viability would be at RfA...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Well, our last discussion is still on my talkpage, and I'm not sure much has changed since then. If nothing else, I know I have some bad contributions (duff CSD tags, mostly) from when I started out.  Having watched a fair few RfAs, I'm pretty certain that there are folk who wouldn't be happy if I ran now.  Fritzpoll (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. Anyone that opposes based on an early CSD tag needs better things to do.  Take a look at Requests for adminship/Travellingcari.  The two !opposes that gathered ignited a firestorm of supports.  She had the exact same reservation that you have.  She did have more edits though, around 6K.  What was your count? (I detest edit count opposes, but they happen...) I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at RfA.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and besides that, unanimous support RfAs worry me. Surely someone has come into conflict with something you did?  If not, why aren't you doing anything on Wikipedia?...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My preferences page says 3340, but I'm willing to bet I've had hundreds deleted - so many CSD, PROD, AfD, and I always tried to answer questions on the article talk pages, so they got deleted too. Combine that with a tendency to edit all in one go (like at Nonlocality) and my editcount trickles slowly up.  My mainspace edits are probably the more worrying.  Feel free to have a look. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * did it for you - 644 deleted edits Fritzpoll (talk) 17:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Keep, I think was at 850 or so edits when you first suggested, now I'm closing in on 1,400. I won't accept any nomination when I've barely crossed the 2k mark either, but I'll certainly sit down and consider ... being considered... sometime in the future. Oh, and from all the interactions I've had with Fritz, including the good and highly civil work he did regarding notability of crime victims, I think he'd be a great candidate. Of course I'd do my regular intense scrutiny of edits (half joking, half not :))), but yeah, he looks good. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Those must've been some damn fine 850 edits.. :-) Let me know when you're closing in around 2500. That would be as low as I'd go for a nom, not because you shouldn't pass with less, but because you wouldn't.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would easily support Gwynand at an RfA - even though we didn't initially see eye to eye over Eve Carson, as I recall :-) But just look at the stuff you've written on this very page....nice Fritzpoll (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 6 degrees of Eve Carson. Why does that keep coming back up?  As I recall, that was where I stumbled into both of you (I closed it, 'member?  I was certain it was gonna go to DRV)...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I recently supported someone who voted delete for Eve Carson, so there would of course be no worry about that. Articles like Murder of Eve Carson go right to the heart of the sometimes seemingly intangible question... what really is notability? Keep... I totally forgot you closed that AfD. 6 degrees certainly...Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course! That's how you got so involved at WP:N/CA - that had completely slipped my mind! Fritzpoll (talk) 17:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eve Carson was not an AfD I expected to have come bite me, so to speak. There were one or two where I was semi-snarky/flippant but that one because it was a person... I have to say, and yes Keep feel free to 'told ya so' ;), that this is touch wood, far better than I expected. People I've had no interaction wth are !voting support and I agree with the neutrals, some of which (the almost non-existent portal, image work) would be opposes. That said, I finally got the Wikipedia:Missing Manual book that DGG recommended and it's useful. Too big for train reading, unfortunately. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * John Broughton mailed me like 30 of the booklets. They're sitting in my hallway, awaiting distribution at the next NYC Meetup.  Enigma  message 02:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's got to be a tall pile! Didn't realise you were an NYC-er. May see you on the 1st TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep - unrelated, but didn't feel I needed to start a new topic. Keep an eye on me here. Certainly this might be a touchy way of doing things, but after analyzing the situation, I felt it neccesary. I'm definitely not canvassing you to come over and back me up... rather watch and comment on my conduct as needed. Thanks Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he's been approached about that several times, but I'm not sure. "no problems here" and "per the above" are about it from him.  Looking at his contributions list, over 90% (probably closer to 100%) of his total contribs have been exclusively to RfAs.  I don't think much will change. That said, I found your post rather well worded (as usual), non-confrontational, and civil.  My two pence (don't accuse me of being British...:)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I searched only under "Wikipedia" for the purposes of this. But you are right, RfAs look to be just about it, at least recently. Surprising, considering he claims to have 34,000 edits. I tried to find previous discussion on this, but unfortuntaly there were tons of talk page archives... also, most of the talk is RfA spam, so it was even harder to search. Oh well. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, searching under "wikipedia" brings back the same results as searching under "all", unfortunately. He does have 34K edits, been here since Jan 06.  Read through this, keeping in mind that it is attempt #5...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, I just did a "Kate's tool". Not too confident I'll even get a response in this case, but I guess I've said my peace. Also, I missed him when checking for failed RfAs... whoops, they were staring right at me. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tragic really. Has done a ton of good work here previously.  Where do you check for failed RfAs?  Shortcut WP:UAC is alphabetical, easy quick reference.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep... I use that. Feels like I've read through each failed one at one point or another. Sometimes I guess I just scroll too fast and miss one when looking. I'd like to engage Siva in conversation, at least for the sake of asking him his future intentions with the project. He obviously was a value and can continue to be. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Found some light to shine on this in archives (it was bugging me)...this question was asked, and the response is this was the response. That's the most recent post I can find addressing this, and obviously nothing has changed since February...Sad. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

a classic arbitrary break, as seen...everywhere
I mentioned above about Special:UnwatchedPages. Obviously, as a non-admin, I can't see them (and rightly so) but I quite like the idea of taking some unloved articles and either a) getting people interested in them by categorising/tagging them or b) even better, fixing them up, as they might be in a bit of a state. Are you allowed to hand any of the names out? If it can't be on-wiki, you can e-mail me...on the other hand, if it's strictly admins-only, that's fine too Fritzpoll (talk) 20:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem with bluelinking a few pages to a trusted user. There's been a lot of discussion at the talkpage, and I agree it should be admin only, but a good case is put there for "trusted user" too.  I can see this ability being implemented, if proposed correctly, similarly to rollback.  A great thing for vandal fighters certainly.  That said, there are thousands of pages.  Do you want a topic sorted list?  A lot of it is absolute crap (excuse my language) and meaningless redirects, but I can hand select a few in certain areas.  I'll post them to a subpage of yours in a chunk if you want to give me a general direction of interest.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever is easiest for you - to be honest I'll take anything. If you want to, you can dump as many links as you like to User:Fritzpoll/linkstowatch (watching it but not created) and I can add them to the raw watchlist quite quickly.  Cheers Fritzpoll (talk) 20:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can dump 50-100 in there today. Suffice?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perfect. If I need more, I'll give you a shout! Fritzpoll (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you saw the results of my attempts on your subpage...let me know your thoughts on this....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you - and yeah, I'd seen some stuff about the limit. The only way out, obviously, it to take page after page into my watchlist.  Obviously can't look after them all on my own, so it might be worth trying to (loosely speaking) categorise them, and find appropriate homes for them at Wikiprojects with other users who are more familiar with the material.  Of course, we could slightly automate the watchlisting process...probably.....well, I'll do one bot at a time Fritzpoll (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

A trade...
I'll give your suggestion some serious thought, iff you check my diffs and make sure you want to nominate me. Sound fair? Fritzpoll (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already have. But now you've made me wonder if I should be looking for something in particular:-)  Answer question 3 on the form, that'll help me -- <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Although It's not necessarily the best thought-out answer! Fritzpoll (talk) 21:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, dang! That's an excellent answer!  Well phrased, well thought out, philosophical yet practical.  Absolutely fantastic.  I put my plug in for your bot (hope it helps more than hurts).  Do you want to run an RfA at the same time as your bot approval process?  That seems incredibly stressful, but if you wish, I'll add my nom and transclude it yesterday.  You are already an admin, you just need the extra buttons, which are great fun.  I'm a firm believer that long term, dedicated users should have the extra buttons, to be able to move about as freely as possible, and do what needs to be done for the betterment of Wikipedia.  I do not expect that you'll start blocking users from AIV reports.  Meh.  That's boring. I fully expect that you'll continue doing what you do best.  Building bots/creating valuable discussions/proposing guideline and policy changes/building an encyclopedia.  You are excellent at this, Fritzpoll.  You know exactly why we're here, and why you're here.  I will look back fondly on the day where I will get to say, "yeah, Fritzpoll, isn't he great?  I helped make him an admin you know..."  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I might like to co-nom this. I've never nominated anyone before, but think this might be a time I would consider it. I'm assuming you aren't going live tonight or anything, I'd like to review your history, then write up a nom, maybe by tomorrow night. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 21:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Notwithstanding that I haven't absolutely decided to accept, I'd certainly value a nomination from you Fritzpoll (talk) 22:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not going live tonight. Absolutely you'd be more than welcome Gwynand.  A co-nom from a respected user?  Never hurts!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK good. Considering that I'm probably one of the top 3 most respected users in the community, this RfA will be a virtual lock:) Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 22:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Or at least, you're one of the top three contributors to User talk:Keeper76 today...:-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * After that comment, I just moved into the 2 spot, and you dropped to 392,567th most respected in the community, primarily for disrespecting Gwynand. I see an ANI coming...:))Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 22:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bring it. Keep in mind, according to a post above (or maybe archived by now), that I control not only the 400 !votes of the inactive administrators, but that I also control Arbcom.  Wanna see Gwynand disappear?  Bring me to ANI....:-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

A very nice nom, thank you. I think it's reasonable to give Gwyn a cahcne to co-nom if she wants to before I...probably accept. Answering the questions swung me round. I'm guessing you liked A1! Right, bed, sleep, nervous twitching. G'night! Fritzpoll (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going offline in a bit myself here. We should all sleep on it.  Gwynand, if you're going to co-nom, go here now, and add whatever you wanna add underneath my nom.  I'll check on this, of course, first thing in the morning (or for you Brits, about 12-14 hours from this post).  Transcluding won't happen until I hear "go" from F-poll....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've signed. Need to get back to work rapidly (spider sense says my supervisor is nearby).  Happy for it to wait until Gwynand has decided if she wants to co-nom.  Otherwise, Keeper, transclude when you think it's ok.  In haste! Fritzpoll (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahaha... Fritz, you may be the first to have referred to me as she, but I was waiting for the day to come... realizing my name might read to some as "Gwyn". Just FYI, I am male. "Gwynand" is really G Wynand, or Gail Wynand, the male newspaper head from The Fountainhead. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I had no idea what your name meant (but I knew you stood up to pee).:-) Gail Wynand.  Of course!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * haha... I was just thinking I should start editing that article, and wait to see if anyone accuses me of COI issues. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What, you mean you're not the real fictional character? I'm disappointed....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I am a billionaire, run most of the nation's newspapers, and only sleep 4 hours a night. And this is the early 20th century. I'm actually John Wynand though, not Gail. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Was it wrong of me to do this? Just looking for the COI....:-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Steve.museum redux
New thread so the old one goes away and your talk shrinks. As you noted here (diff in case it archives), you found a second userfied copy. The article passed DRV and has been restored. The admin doing so took care of the one in my userspace, you asked me to remind you about the second. Thanks for userfying for me TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 01:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC) ✅, thanks for the reminder. Nice work with the new and improved article! <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That one was a fairly easy and fun fix-up. Low-hanging fruit are good at times. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of low hanging fruit, this sure has run smoothly, aye? And you were worried....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I said, you have the right to 'told ya so' - I'm glad to be wrong there :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just realized that I've told ya told ya so three times. My apologies.  I'll quit.  When the Yankees stop buying their teams instead of building them.  (And you can't cite the Joba clause at me - I'll just throw the giambi/rodriguez/matsui/<fill in the blank with most of the last 15 years' rosters> clause back at you.  :) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I used to use the retaliation that at least when they buy them, they win (vs. 92 Mets and Red Sox who are equally guilty) but that doesn't work so much any more. Problem with this team... Hanky Poo doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't trust his people to know their jobs. George was loud but basically all bluff. He trusted Stick and Cashman. That said, '96 was almost home grown: Jeter, Posada, Andy, Mo, Bernie, etc. I think lately they've stripped their farm team which is why they don't have the depth they used to. That aside, I don't get the buying=evil argumentm, if you've got it -- might as well spend it. I'm curious to see what will happen when/if the Sons sell as is currently rumoured. I want someone who is willing to spend to win. They're my Yankees and I love them, but I don't want a repeate of the 80s. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Cassie Keller
Any chance I can persuade you to restore so that I can merge and redirect to The Haunting Hour Volume One: Don't Think About It? Yes, part of my reasoning has to deal with the fact that it's a character from a film with a pumpkin queen in it and all... But in any event the three claims for deletion were that it fails a shortcut that says "references or links to this page should not describe it as 'policy'" or were of a WP:JNN nature. Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman"> Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 03:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC) ✅, left a link at your talk page. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Comedy
Genius .... ! Pedro : Chat  15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * thank you thank you, I'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip the waitress (over)....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

hehehe
heheBalloonman (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How... dare... you... Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * (re to balloonman (edit conflict)) I replied. I had a good chuckle at that.  While I know who you're talking about, others likely don't.  User:Martijn Hoekstra, User:Alex.muller, User:Travellingcari, and User:Jza84 might take offense.  So should Tan, but meh.  I got the joke.  :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see, it was a joke. Strangely, perhaps, I failed to see the funny side of it. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it was funny either, I said I "got it". :) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I did say I had a chuckle. Tis true.  But it was more about the FINALLY in allcaps, and the implied insult to anyone that has been nominated by me in the past...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was more learning from this RfA that I opposed for similar grounds that I'm neutral here.Balloonman (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. That clears Malleus' nom then?  I think if everyone in this little circle were actually in a little circle, like the ones they have at pubs that everyone sits around, little circles that hold glasses on napkins, we'd all be laughing at the ridiculousness of the potential for misunderstandings in this thread, and that one on the Fritzpoll RfA.  Balloonman means no harm, I mean no harm, Malleus means no harm can speak for himself, but I'm sure he'd agree that a round on Keeper should do the trick.  A round on Keeper, gents.  :-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Malleus and I have come to a friendly understanding... he deosnt' take ANYTHING I say seriously, and I ignore what he says... ok not quite, but any issues MF and I had are, IMHO, LONG in the past.Balloonman (talk) 16:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I don't take very much what ANYONE says seriously, unless of course they're agreeing with – my trick cyclist calls it megalomania. :-) I agree Balloonman, whatever issues we had are in the past. Like Keeper though, I did assume that you were referring to me, so his mistake was perfectly understandable. But nothing that a round of beers can't fix. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why I decided to add the note about Tan's first RfA in there---to clarify what my jab was about ;-) I can see how you and Keep were thinking you, and thus apologize for any offense... Balloonman (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to answer your question seriously, IF you gave me a chance to revote on Tan's first RfA, I probably would have gone Neutral on it... still due to lack of experience issues. When he goes up for RfA now, he will have met the magic 6 month of active editing figure, which is about my minimum. As for Fritz, he should probably pass as well, but that doesn't mean that I'll support.Balloonman (talk) 16:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This answer is actually totally inline with my voting style at RfAs. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ...said the co-nom :) Are you switching to neutral too? :)  Actually, Balloonman, G.Wynand made a spectacular post at Rudget's talkpage furthering his sentiment he made here.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that I would like to see, a nominator not supporting their own nomination. Maybe not so strange though, I've been sorely tempted to vote Oppose in my own RfA several times now, but I'm trying ever so hard to be god (sorry, Freudian slip there) good--Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC). :lol:
 * hee hee  Enigma  message 18:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

(To Keep) Whoops, I meant I specifically agreed with this part of Balloon's statement: "As for xxx, he should probably pass as well, but that doesn't mean that I'll support". There are candidates I have come upon who will likely pass and probably deserve it, I just can't find the sum of all parts to support. Don't worry Fritz... I'm not switching to neutral :)) Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I see "Neutral" as being for. You can't push yourself over the edge one way or another.  While I can see Fritz as a quality editor, who appears to be on his way towards the mop, I can't support.  But I can't oppose either.  Neutral is my way of saying, "I'm clueless." I don't know how to go here.Balloonman (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perfectly acceptable for you to be neutral. Don't let me sway you by begging.  As a fair trade, please don't be neutral on Tan's.  It's about 10 days away  :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just proud that Kurt commented on my RfA (I've already responded to Balloonman over there) - I quite admire Kurt, even if I disagree with him on a lot of stuff. I hear he's running for WMF now?  The RfA already has me exhausted, and now I wait on tenterhooks for the Rf Approval on the bot, since I can't test the article creation itself without a bot flag!  (brain melts) :) Fritzpoll (talk) 23:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

"While it is nice to see that Keeper has FINALLY nominated a quality candidate ;-)" - Oh. Well. I'll just go edit an article then. ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, yours is coming....;).......<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Co-coaching
Are you free to possibly be my co-coach for a request for adminship? I will ask Useight, who is my current admin coach if it is alright with him. Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 16:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Razorflame. I'm putting some thoughts together (just ate lunch, got a bit of brain matter loss ATM).  I'll be over to your talkpage shortly.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That is quite alright. Feel free to take your time answering my request.  Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 19:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

We've got an InvisionFree board
z11.invisionfree.com/The_PointOne_Cabal/index.php?

Tell all your friends! Make banners! Bring your Guitar Hero Les Paul and enough Skittles and red cream soda to make your spit hurt!  21655  ταλκ / 01ҁ 17:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, if I told all the members without using AWB, is that spamming/cross-posting/canvassing?  21655  ταλκ / 01ҁ 17:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what you're canvassing/spamming/crossposting, to be honest...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, this. The board. To all WP:01C members...  21655  ταλκ / 01ҁ 20:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh heh. Yeah, that was earlier this morning.  Pre-coffee.  Send what you want where you want to for the members.  Doesn't seem any worse than a "newsletter spam" delivery...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Although, that is a blacklisted site. Be careful with it....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For the revert. Kafka Liz was right: I seem to be getting a lot of vandalism recently! Acalamari 18:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the speedy action on Hatlerbentley. The user is now flooding his user talk page with unblock requests... I would take it to RFPP, but it seems uncontroversial enough to ask if you could protect the page to prevent further edits. Thanks! <b style="color:#FF0000;">haz</b> (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone beat me there. So much for "speedy actions". :) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * *cough*  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  19:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Need a lozenge? <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * :D Not now...  weburiedoursecrets  inthegarden  19:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

RE:User talk page vandalism
Yeah, he was a sock, confirmed by checkuser. Thanks for blocking!  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  19:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How lovely. That's a lot of socks.  I can imagine that my own user/talk pages may be included in his/her next spree.  Not that I don't have mental health problems....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Answer to question
Hi, in reply to your question, if you question my views of becoming an administrator, I feel that the most appropriate place for you to post it would be on my admin coaching page. That way, Useight can also evaluate my replies to your questions and I can get more positive feedback. Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 19:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We cross posted! I just put a rather lengthy reply on your coaching page.  Cheers good editor, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 19:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've given you an equally long response to your question. Cheers, <b style="color:#6cf">Raz</b><b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 20:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Brain in a Jar (Dungeons & Dragons)
Hello! :) In March, Brain in a Jar (Dungeons & Dragons) was nominated for deletion. At the time, there was no suitable page for this article to be redirected to, so based on the consensus, you deleted the article. I have created a new page, List of Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition monsters, which would be a proper destination to merge and/or redirect the article to. I'm wondering if it's possible to restore the original article, and turn it into a redirect, thus preserving the edit history? BOZ (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

✅, history restored, I'll leave you to do the redirecting. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, thanks! :) BOZ (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi I'm flattered at the nomination thankyou. Well you see I have been nominated many times but I have always turned it down because I have always chosen to focus entirely on encyclopedic content. I have always been under the impression that being an adminship would be a burden and prevent me from concnetrating on the encyclopedia. However at times it does seme ridiculous that I haven't got certain tools given the work I do here. I have created around 25,000 articles for wikipedia about twice as many as anybody else I think so my dedication to the project is without a doubt. However I may just think it might be time to acceot but I'll need a think about it OK? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 21:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied on your talkpage. Cheers, no hurry :)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm declining the offer. Thanks for the invite but as I've said all along I'm not the sort who plays by every "wikipedia rule" under the book. Sure I could use the tools for maintenance issues every now and again but too many people who I've had past differences with will turn out and try to make me out as the worst person ever. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 10:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kinds words, you;ve said it exactly. It does seem a bit odd to me that I have to answer all sorts of "silly quesitons" just to make other editors happy with me and go through a grilling and evidence gathering section of why I might not be one of the most experienced editors on here with 154,000 edits. I don't feel I have anything to prove to people, my contribution speaks for itself. It is always nice that many people recognise and congratulate me for my work, this is always very welcome but I know what I have done or am capable of and that really is all that matters. I could use a few extra buttons though for maintenance tasks which would be very beneficial. Perhaps something could be done in the future towards this. Yes I also hope Fritz Bot works out too! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 14:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi is it possible you could remove the nomination page? Thanks  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure! Consider it gone. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
<div style="background-color: white; border: solid 3px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"> Hello ! I'd like to leave a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully today (and to my surprise) with 83 supports, 4 opposes, and 2 neutral.

What I have taken back from my RFA is that I've perhaps been too robust in debate and I will endevour to improve upon that aspect of my usership. I would like to thank you again and state here that I will not let any of my fellow Wikipedian's down. Thanks again! --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | <font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk 11:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

For a laugh...
what do you think? An AfD to round out the deletion requests at Books You Should Read? I don't think it has quite enough tags :o today's crazy brought to you by the letters LOL TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wowsers. That's sick. And not in the hip and cool American way.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And now it's gone, clearly not notable. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you an admin yet? When does that thing end?  I feel like it was either today or tomorrow..I could go check.  Nah.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I don't know, I think the number of tags clearly asserted some record. I found that by hitting random. Serves me right. Meetings ate the brain. Tomorrow morning, our time. Assuming a 'crat comes round and it's done? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And assuming no one figures out how many of my sockpuppets !voted. (COMPLETELY JOKING, I HAVE NO SOCKS - I ALWAYS TYPE BAREFOOTED).  'Crats are pretty good about closing on time.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Socks suffocate feet, I used to have a button that said that... TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Get working on your fancy thanks-spam. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, egads. Are you doing one-a those?  Please leave me a personalized message instead, something along the lines of "Keeper was right.  He told me so."  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, leave everyone a message: "Keeper was right, always listen to him."-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As if everyone didn't listen to me already....(but secretly I would enjoy that...and don't you dare do that Yank...)<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

(outdent, too many colons). Some are getting personal messages, it's 5 people -- 5 different personal messages. I don't know how to make a thank spam banner. Is that in New Admin School? I didn't want to look ahead and jinx it. Today is meeting day, I swear! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's not at the school. There are editors that design these stuff at request (we're all nuts). I've come across them, but now I don't remember. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't ask me either. I don't generally like them, mostly because I don't know how to make them...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I out-nincompoop everyone. I don't even know how archive my talkpage. This one future admin set it up for me. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't get too many awards for that one, I copied it from someone and then got a bot-op to do the one for WP:MUSEUMS because that broke my brain with archives and what not. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Close to being Blocked Reply
No I am not this user. Why do you ask? Is there something that I have said? MillionaireMan (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Right ok then. As I said to the other admins that seem to be messaging me I created the article because I am a member of it. MillionaireMan (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I would be very interested to know what User:Peterpipper username on the wiki is because although it has 20 members only 2 of them are Stewards and admins so I would be interested to know that. MillionaireMan (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes User:Jimbo Wales and also User:Admin are the stewards and the admins on the site. My username on the site is User:Paulsr take a look if you dont believe me. MillionaireMan (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless Jimbo Wales himself is actually a participant on your website, (and that's very very unlikely), I find it highly improbable that he would approve of his name being used. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh what fun
I seem to recall you expressing interest, so...


 * 1) Just yesterday
 * 2) Today
 * 3) Final Result  Enigma  message 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. I mean, D'oh!  Nice work E-man...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  13:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from La La Land!
Keep! What's the deal, cousin? Its been a good minute since we last spoke, hasn't it? Nothing really new on the dark side of the Wiki-world, but I've been trying to stay out of trouble for the most part. I think that trout ya hit me with has kept me on the straight and narrow. Other then that, nothing good to speak of on the New York sports front lately. So how have things been - in the Wiki-world and other? --Endless Dan 13:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, this is awesome. I'm glad becoming a jake hasn't soured your sense of humor. Not naming names, but I find that to be a rarity amongst many of your peeps. I'm glad someone is still excited about beisbol. There seams to be a black cloud hanging over New York baseball. I still believe the Yanks will be competing for their spot in playoffs in late Summer, but I'm unsure about some of the moves we've made, haven't made and are going to make. But in Joe, er, Joe we trust. I've liked the moves and picks that your boys have made so far. In the NFCE, my boys still get no respect. You'd think that beautiful chocolate man Jerry Reese would exonerated from any error or question, but he's not. The NFL pundits have the ol' Cowgirls ahead of us in pre-season power rankings (I won't even get into how egregious those things are). I will take great satisfaction in watching their scientific progress go "Boink" (again, hopefully). Of course, we've got our own potential problems but it's all gravy till then.--Endless Dan 16:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, thank you. I think after all that, I'm 'pipe linked out' for the rest of the day. Re: your ANI. A little individualism is what your crew needs. It's refreshing to see that you haven't turned all 1984 on me. ... Okay, just one pipe link! --Endless Dan 16:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, every time we catch up this stuff seems to follow. I'm playing nice this time, but sheeeeeeeesh. Talking to you is like walking under a row of ladders for me. --Endless Dan 14:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ....while smashing a mirror over the back of a black cat...I can't read Español, but I'm pretty sure you're most recent edit summary over at ANI wasn't quite pleasant. WTF?   <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it wasn't unpleasant, either. Just more lyrics that are undirected to anyone or anything. I don't think anyone is WP:AGF as I was pretty honest about why I have strange edit summaries yesterday with Daniel. The only 'threatening' comment was shape up my edit summaries right quick. But, I'm not taking it personally. I think Kelly's original post is legit, but the stuff after seems bogus to me. --Endless Dan 14:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just posted there. Although, now that I have, you should probably throw some salt over your shoulder...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, thanks. I don't want you to get the impression that I only approach you to defend my positions/arguements, Keep. But I appreciate your opinions and honesty. If I step or stepped out of line, lemme know. Kelly and Daniel did. After talking to em and giving em the honest truth, we were cool. It did sorta feel like I was starting to be ganged up on the incidents board, but I'm not gonna let it become a thing. Right now I'm sorta interested to see where this leads. It may sound weird, but I'd get a kick outta my blocking/banning over "inappropriate" edit summaries. --Endless Dan 15:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, I approached you just yesterday, remember? Before all the template-spam started.  I think you're right about the jinx stuff.  I'll only use my sockpuppets to talk to you from now on (and you're going to forever wonder if/when they visit, and who they are....welcome to Paranoia....mwahahahahah!)   full disclosre - this editor edits barefoot.  No socks.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

TGIF! --Endless Dan 16:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Wheee!
it is done. Thanks so much for you support through this, the nom and the !coach but question answering, as well as providing your talk page as a forum :) It's been fun, and I look forward to a lot more fun. and yeah... I realised I had no idea what to write. So this is !thankspam, thank you :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You around?
Second opinion needed without any drama at ANI if you'd like to put your admin cap on for a moment. Pedro : Chat  14:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Shane+Cass - blocked indef by me with no warning per WP:TOV in Shane Beck. Want a second pair of eyeballs without omg drama at ANI. You comfortable with the block ? Pedro : Chat  15:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really only times like these where I wish I had the mop. Damn red link. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's times like this you wish you wern't an admin, could report it somewhere and let someone else worry about out of process blocks and the like! Pedro : Chat  15:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * An excellent block, IMO. We should both watch the contribs of said user, if he repeats again, (keeping in mind its likely a high school kid, and so likely is the other random person hie is "threatening"), I would say a checkuser to find out what school he's editing from could be in order.  US schools particularly take stuff like that incredibly seriously.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this. User:WifeOfPedro (who is legally trained) has said that erring on the side of caution may be best. Maybe a polite note to a CU to see if they can ascertain if this is a school IP may be needed. *sigh* I was hoping to RBI this to be honest. But we must do what is right, with the minimum of fuss and drama Pedro : Chat  16:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If it isn't sitting right with you to RBI, then use that hindsight and find a CU. Tis much better to have that hindsight than to find out about a tragedy afterwards and have to live with that hindsight.  I don't think it needs anything super official.  But it's so obvious that he's a high school student.  From what I can ascertain, he's in the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania area.  His full name (and his "girlfriend's" are in deleted contribs), and so is the first/last name of the person he threatened.  Also, looking closely, you can even narrow it down to a place of birth for the +Cass part, and a birthdate.  If a checkuser comes up no where near that, or at an non-school IP, we move on.  If it's coming from a school computer lab, I think an email to the tech person/responsible district may be in order. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As an FYI, the place of birth for +Cass was misspelled. Try separating the town name into two words, and dropping the "e" off the end. We have an article on the town. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You the man. I'll move it on. Pedro : Chat  17:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Had to take it to ANI. *sigh* Not likely to be online enough right now to deal with otherwise. Pedro : Chat  18:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just read your note there. Ill be (mostly) online for about 4 hours, then I'm off for the night as well.  I'll keep my eye on the thread for now.  Cheers mate, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Quick note
Just wanted to say thanks for pushing me into the RfA - regardless of outcome, it's quite invigorating (I'm doing this now because after another few days' of this, I might not be feeling so benevolent!) and even the questions are quite interesting. Although Filll has just added the AGF challenge questions, which will take an age to answer...never mind. Obviously tied up with this at the bot for the next 4 days 19hours and some minutes (I'm not keeping track) but could you just dump all those unwatched asteroid articles onto my subpage so I can watch them - I managed to offload the skyscraper one to their project and want to try something similar with these and The Astronomy wikiproject... Fritzpoll (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't have to answer all eight of those questions, or any of them. I might read the use of "optional" very literally in this case. That is kind of a massive tack on. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw Filll's question. Meh, I've made my peace with the addition of that particular style of questioning, I fought against it rather volatilely (is that a word?) last time I saw them.  You'll do fine with it, keeping in mind that whatever you say, someone will disagree with something you say.  That's the design of the questions in some instances.  Do some research, answer carefully if you choose to answer (and Gwynand is right-it's massive, and optional. Maybe give it a day, not like your not busy with botapproval...)  I'll look to getting you more from unwatched...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, check out this RfA, specifically the candidate's answer to Q4 and the following issues with it, not just the answer but the question. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Philosopher!. I couldn't think which RfA it was (didn't I tell you it would be long forgotten soon enough?).  Yeah, that's where I was battling.  Read my Support #8, and also read the solid discussion on the RfA talk of that particular Rfa.  Glad that one's over....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)Yeah, I watched the progress of Philosopher's RfA at the time (I have far too much stuff in my watchlist). I'll have a look at the questions over the next couple of days. Cheers to you both Fritzpoll (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks like its a new set of questions, without a question that really requires specific legal commentary. Either way, I just posted a message over at Filll's talk page, suggesting he slim down the request, the idea being that it is doubtful the community will go through all 8 questions and all 8 answers anyways. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gwynand, that was done very tactfully, and effectively! Very impressed.  I'm sure F-poll will be grateful for your extra effort there, I saw the change on the RfA...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. Filll is reasonable, I didn't think it would be a big deal. I'm also questioning him about his instructions. It seems that he is suggesting Fritz answer the questions on a separate page (I guess per the challenge rules), then link to them. I think he will clarify. I think questions really need to be answered on the actual RfA page. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gwyn - that does make the job 4 times easier! To Keep: Thanks for the extra pages - have them watchlisted and will process them whilst I'm meant to be running an experiment tomorrow (actually, I've automated the experiment bot-style) - if and when you do it again, don't hassle about the wikilinking - I dropped the names into the raw watchlist, and actually ended up having to remove the wikilinking. I'm just too lazy to even point and click any more! And yes, five long days remain... Fritzpoll (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone cares, I fixed the numbering Keeper mentioned. The problem is if you lead off a section with a #, even if it's indented, it will still count it. That's my conclusion, at least.  Enigma  message 20:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I care! Thanks E-man.  I actually knew that, I'm just Friday-fried....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Threat
I am trying to get a CU on IRC, but I will be off-line here in a sec. Tiptoety  talk 18:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo. Thanks for your efforts<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Finally - back on-line. Joy - thanks for your help here Keeps (and Tiptoey). Pedro : Chat  20:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tag! You're it then.  I'm only on for about another hour....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too - and then unlikely to be active for a couple of days - wedding aniversary last weekend so the boy is at Granny's and we're of to the New Forest for some adult time over the next two days - and I'm thinking Wikipedia is not factored in to that!! (mind you I can smuggle my blackberry with me!). I'm sure it will be resolved - it's 99.99% no issue but better safe than sorry. Pedro : Chat  20:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would even give it an extra thousandth, 99.999. But still, enjoy your "adult time". I'm not entirely comfortable with the connotations of that, but I am very familiar (having a 2.5 yr old at home) with "disguised language".  We usually spell things that might perk/hurt his ears...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As you well know my second one arrives at the end of August, so "adult time" is going to be highly limited at best come then! Never mind, 18 years and we can kick them out of home ..... :)Actually yours must be alomst identical in age to User:SonOfPedro then - small world! Pedro : Chat  20:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A small world, separated by a large pond (less anyone think we're socks). Dec. '05 birth.  No #2 as of yet.  And your "adult time", as you are well aware, will be severely limited well before arrival.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * March 06. And yes, I keep telling the wife she's getting fat .... :)! Toddst1 has offered help re: ANI thread so I think that's concluded at this stage and we've done what we should have done. Thanks again my man. Pedro :  Chat  20:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am talking with a CU right now. Since I am still getting phone calls from the police about the previous situation I reported, I will email Toddst1 with the information I found. Tiptoety  talk 21:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tiptoey. Pedro : Chat  21:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh - and can you make a note on ANI re: whatever resolution, and close the thread if I'm not about - minimise any drama. Ta. Pedro : Chat  21:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure can do. Tiptoety  talk 21:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tiptoey - appreciated. (sorry - to many colons to indent!) Pedro : Chat  21:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Forum?
A little birdie told me there was a forum around here. Since I'm here, I might as well apologize for the way I acted the last time I was here. It was rude of me. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep a few people got personalised thank!spam. I like making it look like it wasn't a c/p. Is it Friday yet? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't read your comment yet keeper. I will in a few, but I wasn't really up for talking about it, and just recently, a few other people had begun discussion about it. I'm sure its filled with good advice and loads of interesting talking points, but I'm just not reading to talk about it. If I do, it will be on my talk, and thanks for the (i'm assuming its not all bad) helpful comments. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry we crossed paths there, SynMag. I was typing my thoughts there, and when I hit save, there you were here!  Which begs the question, what are you apologizing for?  I don't recall anything where you were "acting" in any particular way other than normal...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When I needed your opinion, others came into the conversation and began talking in the middle of it. It ticked me off a bit, so I left one note saying I'd expect a response on my talk, and I was unwatching yours. Upon reflection, I realized I was following up what I thought was rudeness, with more rudeness! This was when the rollback thing was going on by the way. Your talk has heavy traffic, its easy to miss a few comments now and then. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, that! I didn't find that to be the least bit problematic.  Perfectly understandable, because you are absolutely right, my talkpage has a lot of traffic (I usually edit conflict trying to respond to folks, and will likely do so right now.)  Don't worry 'bout that, not a big deal at all, and I took no offense to your offer to move things to your talk (and no one else should've either.  If they did, I'll hit them with a trout.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Presently I can't find where it was, but I know somewhere I was rude to other editors here. A bit snarky. Anyway. I guess I better go look at your comment then, get it over with as they say.....;p SynergeticMaggot (talk) 21:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I may have as much experience as most with potentially ego-bruising RfAs, and let's face it, failure at anything is potentially an ego-bruiser. The conventional advice is to think carefully about the points made by all of your opposers, hang around in whatever corners of wikipedia's dark, dusty, and dank admin world it's been claimed that you have no experience of, keep your nose clean for three months or so, and then go into your next RfA having confessed to all of your previous sins, and with the absolution of as high-profile a nominator as you can persuade to support you. That's the conventional approach. My preferred approach is to say f*** 'em. I hope that helps. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with absolutely everything Malleus just typed, including the "f-stars". Be well, SynMag, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec + outdent)Keeper, you're right about that. For some reason I made that mistake, and I now see that as the worst. Thank you for pointing that one out. But I will tell you that I didn't withdraw because it was going to fail, its not about that. My intent from the start was to go the full 7 days as specified in my nom. This would have allowed me gain as much community input as I can receive, so why would I pass that up? SynergeticMaggot (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin Userpage Puzzle Logo
psst: how do I get that to show on my userpage? Like yours in the upper right corner TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo! Just add  to your userpage.  Should do it.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm such a bastard. I just added it to your userpage. Bastard.  Going offline.  See you in the morning!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. You beat me to it because I was enjoying the hospitality of Metro North. So *not* going to miss that commute. Catch you tomorrow TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 01:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply on my talk page
Hello there, and thanks for your message on my talk page. I've replied there for you. I hope that's all right. DDStretch   (talk)  23:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be over there in a bit, DDS -- <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Stewart Alexander (politician) (2nd nomination)
Another editor, who I know off-wiki, made personal statements about me during this AfD. Hes done this before, once in 2006 on ANI, and again either on my talk page or his. But this time, theres no way to prove who said what, and if he found out I was running again (RfA), he would have mentioned the AfD that was going on at the same time. So I quickly withdrew the AfD, and then the RfA as seen from my contributions. Something like this on my RfA would NOT look good. Especially since I told him that if he keeps vandalizing my userpage (once), or spamming my talk page (twice, the first time another editor stepped in before i could to tell him to stop spamming, and the second he was logged out, only using his ip), that he could be blocked by it, and to never sign out to vandalize, because thats an ip block, and most likely will result in the username blocked as well (i'm not at all too sure about it though). But like I said, its all he said he said. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.. Which editor? I'll haven't looked that closely at the Afd....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going offline any second here, I'll be back in about 15 hours...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User:King Vegita. I'm about to do the same. Almost bed time, then work. Later keeper. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Besides that AfD, I don't cross paths with that user anymore. I think for now I'm going back to article writing for a while (and leaving AN/ANI/RfA alone for awile). You know, low profile. :) See you around, and thanks again. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 00:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You too. Don't drink (beer) and (grill time!) eat too much ;p SynergeticMaggot (talk) 00:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Lugnuts
Hi. I wont revert Nakon's edits, but I don't belive I should be "forced" into the removal of the banner. I've reported the admin in question. Lugnuts (talk) 19:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'm being treated as I've done something terribly wrong. What about restoring the banner and if the resolution is to remove them from all user pages, then get rid of it? Lugnuts (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When is it likely to be settled though? I can see this dragging on for ages. Lugnuts (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll retract the "user conduct", providing the banner can go back on my userpage. Lugnuts (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove the RFC thing against Tiptoe. :thumbsup: Lugnuts (talk) 08:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Beanie Baby of the Month
The article Beanie Baby of the Month was deleted without giving a fair chance to discuss it. It was done behind my back when I was not even aware of it. It was Underconstruction and not enough time was given enough time to add more references. I am asking that you bring back the article now, or at least, place it on a subpage of my user talk. Just be aware, even if an AFD includes 100 deletes, one person's valid points should be enough to keep an article. Xyz7890 (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If 100 people say delete, and only one says keep, that's not enough to keep, per longstanding Wikipedia consensus rules. However, I'm not completely convinced that the article ought to remain deleted (I merely closed the debate, I never gave my opinion). Do you have any reputable, third party sources that explain/detail why this particular sub-article merits its own Wiki-page?  I'm going offline in a few minutes here, but I'll check back here in the morning.  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, Keeper. I came to tell you that you didn't actually delete the article nominated in this AfD, as it was moved during the AfD to Clubby Beanie Babies, here. While I'm here, I might as well try to explain to Xyz7890 why the deletion of Beanie Baby of the Month was discussed in the AfD.


 * At the time Beanie Babies Official Club was nominated for deletion, before it was moved to Clubby Beanie Babies, the contents which you wrote were "The Beanie Baby of the Month program is a program in which members can enroll to receive a Beanie Baby by mail each month for a 12-month period. Those who enter are enrolled for one year, and membership may be renewed after the year is up[1]. The Beanie Babies of the Month were as follows:" (cut table). (That's here until the article is deleted.) The new article you created at Beanie Baby of the Month was initiated as "The Beanie Baby of the Month program is a program in which members can enroll to receive a Beanie Baby by mail each month for a 12-month period. Those who enter are enrolled for one year, and membership may be renewed after the year is up . The Beanie Babies of the Month were as follows:" (cut table). Copying the content of an article under a deletion discussion to a new title will not save it from deletion. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the article that got moved during the AfD, but am heading off line. If you feel the deletion did not match the afd close, please feel free to undo my deletion - you closed the thing, after all.  Otherwise, XYZ can take the thing to WP:DRV if he wants to re-create the material from the AfD. Pastordavid (talk) 23:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MRG, and Pastor! As far as I can tell from the redlinks, everything that was supposed to be deleted has now been deleted. My apologies for not getting everything in my web.  Please let me know if I've missed anything that was supposed to be deleted as the result of the AfD, and also, please let me know if anything goes to DRV. I'm going offline in about 1/2 hour, and I'll be offline for the most part until Tuesday.  Thanks to both of you for your assistance!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  00:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Holiday?
You say you are on... holiday? Your not from the other side of the pond, are yiz?Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would answer you, but I'm not here. Oh wait...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, well, where ever you are from, enjoy your holiday vacation. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm from here. And I used "holiday" because it is one where I'm from. Gonna go eat some hot dogs, and apple pie, catch a ball game, wave a flag, visit some cemeteries, all in my Chevrolet...:) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You call that a holiday? I say grab a wiffle bat, take your clothes off, get some hooch, make some butter coated footballs/pencils, rent out a motel (not one room, the whole motel), tear the pillows apart and cover the hall ways with feathers, then call all your friends.-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 16:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec_Yes... I thought I knew you were from there. Rather, I knew you rooted for all those teams... I'm definitely an American-centric thinker. I assume everyone I speak to hear is American then get really surprised when they're not. Oh... good ol' fashioned American ego. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in terms of holidays, I guess Brits and Americans are as one this weekend! Fritzpoll (talk) 16:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone changes the template to read Bank holiday, I'll block em. :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But, you'll be on holiday, and won't notice... :) Fritzpoll (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be back 9 am Tuesday with the wind at my back, so be sure it's back before then...of course, I can always just check the template history...seriously, I'm really leaving soon...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, enjoy your vacation - I'll be enjoying mine. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Koji, that is a terrifying little window into your imagination. Be sure to hit me up when the motel is ready....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do.-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 16:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Your sig
First, hope you enjoyed your holiday!

I love your sig; it's distinctive, yet readable. I've read the section on how to change mine, and while I understand the where of doing it, I'm completely befuddled on what to put there. Would you be so kind as to tell me how you did yours?

Thanks!--Fabrictramp (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Everytime I try to leave, that little orange message bar calls me back....:) I'll assume you know "where", just copy/paste this:

<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer

(obviously changing the links to go to your respective pages)...You can play around with different colors, there's a list of color codes here. Cheers!<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the help! And I do know about that orange bar... and the watchlist... oh, and I'll just hit random page and fix one thing... *sigh*--Fabrictramp (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And you can have the dubious honor of being the first to see my new sig. --<font color="#CD5B45" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp | <font color="#CD5B45" face="Papyrus">talk to me  17:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I say, that's pretty. A good note to leave on - off I go!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Newest section
A wild card, eh? I like that. That title could help buy me some votes in ArbCom 08. Whudaya think? --Endless Dan 17:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you are au jus. I'll vote for ya.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Bellwether BC
Yes, I'm serious. Any sporadic editing I might do will now be done with this account. BobTheTomato (MrWhich) (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I never knew you were anyone other than B-BC. (I suppose that's how WP:RTV is supposed to work :-)  Nice to meet you Bob.  Is that a reference to Veggie Tales?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
for being the first one to vote in my RFA and setting it off in such a positive direction! I was plenty scared so it was quite wonderful to have such a positive start. And I will do my best to live up to the confidence that you and others seem to have in me! I hope you had a good holiday too.--Slp1 (talk) 19:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * replied on your talk. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

smart move
on politely telling Phoenix to shut up ;-)... continuing the debate on the persons RfA only gives the opposers a forum to convince others. Make your response and move on.  If you want to discuss further, take it to WT:RFA.Balloonman (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw your response as well. I'll keep watching it.  Obviously, you and I disagree on this particular candidate (not like that's never happened before :-), but I think PW is doing more harm than I good.  Thanks for your post here.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You may be interested
Malleus has been blocked. I'm still on holiday and only have sporadic true access other than my blackberry. A very, very quick review indicates to me the block was based on one comment "shove the block where the sun don't shine" (or similar) and one poor edit summary - not a great response by Malleus I admit. However I do not feel the block was justified as "preventative" given timelines, but that is only on a brief review. Just thought you might like to know. Pedro : Chat  22:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I unblocked his ... Balloonman (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My limited involvement with reviewing blocks, I normally disagree with block/unblock wars between admins. However, I reviewed this one myself, and have to say I agree with the unblock based on facts-of-the-case. SwatJester wasn't engaging in the conversation that was going on over the block, the unblock was certainly justified. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 02:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If swat had responded, I wouldn't have unblocked for that reason, but since he didn't respond... I went ahead and did it.Balloonman (talk) 03:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, and that's the primary reason that I feel your unblock was the right move. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 03:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Resolved then - and this shows concerned I was as I've come to check on this at stupid o'clock on Sunday morning! Hopefully everyone can now move on. Sorry for the orange bar Keeps! Pedro : Chat  06:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Malleus was blocked? Too funny.  I'm going to his talkpage next.  This is the thread that pulled me "off vacation" as well - too juicy to wait till Tuesday!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

incomplete AfD closing for "List of fictional characters who can manipulate ..."
I just noticed that you closed Articles for deletion/List of fictional characters who can manipulate electricity, but the AfD stuff is still on List of fictional characters who can manipulate fire, List of fictional characters who can manipulate weather and List of fictional characters who can manipulate water. I'm not sure how (or even if) I can close these by myself. Wrs1864 (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack, nice catch Wrs1864. I've finished the rest of them, thanks for the heads up!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  13:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: RFA
Replied User talk:Phoenix-wiki-- Phoenix -  wiki  21:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Another for your Quotes page
I reverted this less than 30 seconds after it went up. I feel like I kicked a puppy.<font face="Trebuchet MS"> — <font color="#E45E05">iride <font color="#C1118C">scent  02:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Those damn scientists and their theories...feel free to add it to the quotes page! <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  13:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The first thank you
Well, as you have rightly pointed out, the deed is done, and I passed. I seriously didn't think I'd make it through (including at several points during the RfA itself), but you managed to cajole me into running, and for that I thank you. I hope that my use of the tools, limited though they will be to begin with, will justify the confidence you had in my abilities. I shall, however, continue to troll your talkpage :-P Fritzpoll (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You may be one of the few editors in 2008 and beyond that successfully bids for adminship with "only 4 months experience" and ~3K edits. (Keeping in mind the "norm" used to be 3 mo/3k) that is a real testament to the quality of your work.  I'm very much looking forward to watching you add millions (quite literally) of articles to this place, and I'm glad I had a small part in your advancement, as the tools can only make that job easier and more complete.  Please "keep on keepin' on" with what you do so well.  Don't let the buttons drag you down!  If you have any Qs on anything, of course feel free to ask them here on my little forum, I'm sure someone will answer your queries correctly before I can come in and bugger them up.  :-)  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean the store isn't open yet? :)
Truly sorry about that -- I just saw Tan's name and reacted accordingly. I'll be back when it is in full swing. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Email Q
Hey Keep. Just to clarify what you say on your userpage, you definitely will not ever use email and IRC, or just IRC? I think you've explained this before, I forget. Please don't feel obligated to respond to this or further explain. Reasons this came up... I just created my anon wiki email the other day, and just saw something regarding another user that I wanted to ask about (I think you know), but looks like email would be the only appropriate way to discuss this. Anywho, don't mind me. Phillies scored 20 runs last night... woo hoo! Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 21:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely will not ever use IRC, I find it completely useless, caballish, and unnecessary. I'm getting more and more torn about e-mail, however.  Right now, I have no desire to do anything e-mail related, and I am technically restricted at my primary editing PC (I edit almost exclusively from work).  I know "that of which you speak", and I'd love to send an email right now, but it's one of the sacrifices I'm willing to make.  If/when I ever get an email, I'll put a big banner up on the top of my talkpage.  May I never lose my password....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And go Phillies! May they knock the Mets on their respective butts once again!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We are on the same page with IRC, and I also can't check email from my primary editing PC. I thought I'd have one for only certain rare occasions, not to discuss how I feel about an RfA candidate or anything. If the Phillies bats live up to their talent, and the five starters settle in, helloooooo October. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 22:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When I say "primary editing PC", I mean 99.99%. If I had email enabled, I literally would go weeks without being able to check it, therefore making it rather irrelevant.  I find it much easier to just not have it enabled.  It avoids hurt feelings, it avoids delays, and frankly, it keeps me outta trouble.  Go Twins, who will also make it to October (calling it now and saving this diff for an "I told you so" later), and will likely knock the Phillies outta the world series if they do in fact meet.  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Quick question
Having recently been hauled over the coals for using the apparently "highly uncivil" term wikilawyer, I'm inclined to construct a WikiSpeakDictionary. Would that be another blockable offence under current wikilegislation? My motivation is that there are far too many good editors being bullied by far too many poor administrators. No names, no pack drill. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do it. I'll endorse it.  I completely agree that there are many bad admins.  Some of them have good intentions, but the "technicalities" of the adminship bit are getting in the way of the common sense that they used before they were admins.  I of course watch your talkpage, and I saw you're Wikilink to Newspeak.  Do it.  I'll endorse it.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Shame the word Wiktionary's already taken, really... I absolutely & wholeheartedly support the idea. You may also want to point out Wikipedia's least-enforced policy (which I admit I'm occasionally guilty of breaking as well). BTW Malleus, if you think the assorted rabble currently hassling you is bad, have a look at the cesspool of bad faith that is User talk:Giano II.<font face="Trebuchet MS"> — <font color="#E45E05">iride <font color="#C1118C">scent  23:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do know what you mean. Kurt Weber also springs to mind. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Recent vandal
link. The trouble is the IP's two article edits. I really have no idea whether they're legitimate. I guess I'll ask on the article talk pages? Maybe there's a WikiProject somewhere?  Enigma  message 23:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Either way, I blocked the IP. Probably a worthless edit, but still, he/she was vandalizing several pages, including my own.  Better things to do.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  23:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, was an obvious block. My question is regarding whether to revert the edits. I'm assuming bad faith about the editor, but it's still impossible to tell.  Enigma  message 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That IP now has a sock here. Obviously the same user, by the edits and IP address.  Enigma  message 23:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh the poor bot!
''   * (diff) (hist). . mb User talk:Keeper76‎; 20:41. . (-96,267) . . MiszaBot III (Talk | contribs | block) (Archiving 25 thread(s) (older than 96h) to User talk:Keeper76/Archive 5.)'' We wore it out! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 96K???? Sheesh! Get ready, your time is coming. Before my RfA, I would see an orange bar maybe once every few days (usually when I screwed something up from WP:DPL).  Post RfA, I can't get a word in edgewise without an e/c.  I don't remember the last morning when I've logged on without an orange bar waiting for me, and usually 4 or 5 messages to reply to.  Makes Wikipedia fun though, don't it?  Hope you're having fun with your tools - any troubles come up yet?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does indeed. I already laughed that one pre-archive incarnation of my talk page last week was larger than the April archive -- and I'm not normally a forum. Having fun using them tentatively. Just a couple of easy CSDs to date and no one's come back to me (and one was subsequently speedied 2x more and deleted) so I think they've been good calls. Just was away for the weekend and busy today at work -- need more time to delve in. Do you know how you became a forum, it's been amusing to watch. *Yawn* I'm off, been a few early mornings with travel and I need a nap. Catch you in the AM. I think the bot needed to sleep in for this work, doesn't it normally run much earlier? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I'm not sure where it (my forum) started, but I rather enjoy it (I'm a bit of a maniacal egotist though:-). You've made me curious enough to find the first thread in my archive that had people replying to things before I could...I'll look.  See you in the am.  Your Boys of Summer are coming to my playground this weekend.  Looking forward to a sweep.  The hilarious thing over the weekend for me was our TV commentators, especially Bert Blyleven, repeatedly saying "the last place New York Yankees are coming to town"...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've renamed the AL East the AL Streak. Boston won 7 after losing 4, Yankees won 5 after losing three and four repeatedly, Birds lost 5....It's ridiculous. :-p I'll have you know they're out of the basement -- and at 5.5 games back, I don't stress anyway. I saw parts of the games this weekend as I was out of town for a bridal shower, but Sunday's come back was nice to come back to. Didn't know Blyleven was a commentator, I remember him playing. I need a new userbox, "I remember ball players from before you were born" Bah! Even with the addition of Daryl Rassner, almost all of the Yankees' rotation is younger than me. Disturbing. I look forward to seeing that thread, I think we gravitate because a) you're willing to answer questions (when you can get in before the e/c) b) are quite knowledgeable and c) you're fun. Off to watch the game if we don't get monsooned out. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 23:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical Yankee fan! Can't spell the names of their own players! :P It's Darrell_Rasner and yeah, he's been awesome. Joba moving into the rotation should help. A-Rod being back means they won't be in last much longer, and Posada also is expected back soon.  Enigma  message 23:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What was Keeper's edit summary earlier about preview? So true. :) I consider myself better than Michael Kay who is paid to know this stuff and just called Ian Kennedy Adam. Personally, I'd prefer them just not calling him period. At the moment they're playing football, 8-4 in the bottom of the 4th so we'll see. Posada playing in extended Spring training against the Phils' Grapefruit League team -- and they agreed not to run on him. Would have liked to see this. Do we know why Betemit is playing 1B? I don't like having two nearly-always0outs in 8/9 -- rather see Duncan TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 00:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. My team won in extra innings last night.  How did yours do in extra innings, TC?  Heh...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  13:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why oh why doesn't Bite me exist? I've so wanted to use it on a few occasions for you and Brewcrewer. Bah! :-p TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Good call on declining a speedy?
first call I was hesitating on so I figured I'd ask for your (or whoever feels like commenting) feedback. I declined this speedy since I know schools aren't A7 eligible and didn't think they were speedy eligible at all except in blatant pure vandalism. This also didn't seem too spammy and a two-second google found some possible sourcing. I'm not sure it would pass an AfD but I don't think it was speedy eligible. Thoughts? Thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 01:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent call declining. I almost always automatically decline speedy on any school, because being a school (even a small private "college" like that one, a diploma-mill most likely, is at the very least an assertion of notability.  Unless its a hoax/doesn't exist/or is fictional, a speedy isn't appropriate.  Keep an eye on it, slap some cites on it if you can find some that show notability beyond "we exist and you can pay us for your 2 year diploma", bring it to AfD, or even PROD it.  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I told Barneca when s/he left an unrelated comment on my talk page, I was almost afraid to click the orange bar for fear it was about a mistake. Does that nervousness go away? I still think I have far more fun playing in the backlog, some diamonds in the rough there. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, deleting things becomes second nature. The responses to n00bs become second nature, the nervousness fades. You may also be interested in putting a page like this in your userspace and a note on the top of your talk to send editors to if/when they have a comment/request/complaint abot your admin actions specifically regarding speedy deletions.  Don't be nervous about that delete button, it's not Oversight.  Anything can be undeleted at any time by any request.  .sdrawkcab og syawla nac uoy, sneppaH tihS, rebmemer syawlA  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh it's entirely too frightening that I could read that with out any problems. What I've found educational is to watch those that I'm not sure about and see what someone does. Off to check out your link. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I still do that with some AfD closes. I'll read the whole thing, weigh out arguments, google search if I feel inadequate attempts/searches have been made, "decide", and then can't pull the trigger, so I watch it.  See if the closer ends up matching my "silent decision" (and of course, assuming that no one else added anything after I "mind-closed" it.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The idea of closing an AfD is a ways off for me at the moment except in obvious cases. I'm getting my feet wet in CSDs. I think it's a good intro. Mind closing, I like that. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Once your looking at AfDs, WP:DELPRO is a good shortcut to put on your userpage, and a good read. Gives you all the templates/nitty-gritties you need to close it/relist it/template it, and all that jazz.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Missed this in the flurry below. Thanks for that link. I did close one nom-withdrawn AfD. Wasn't too scary. Been puttering on random stuff, a bit sick of museum stubs at the moment :o TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Heads up
(Cross posted at User talk:Anonymous Dissident, User talk:Daniel, and User talk:Keeper76.)

As it's something you've expressed an interest in, you might want to see my most recent comment here—the "I'm going to go ping a few people now about this" refers to the people this has been cross-posted to (though I am appreciative of everyone else, who knows who they are!).

Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on the link provided. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Re from my talk
I did just that. I had just signed back in, reviewed the additions, and thought about it just long enough to recuse myself. Also, I had noticed you stopped discussing the oppose !votes. Why do you think you've been stressed out because of it? Is there anything I can do? You've heard this 10K times before but I'll say it once more (hey that rhymed!): RfA's are discussions. Talking over opposition isn't always a bad thing ;) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 12:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * replied on your talk, cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course it makes sense. Some comments are in fact better discussed on the talk page of the editor. I was just hoping I could possibly be of service to you. I don't particularly like hearing anyone say they are stressed out, especially about on wiki edits. Talking is most often the way go. But I understand what you mean now. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 14:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anytime Keeper. And on another note, since your a sports fan I'll take this moment to say GO REDWINGS GO! SynergeticMaggot (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Dusti's Back!!!!
Sorry everyone for what happened, see my talk page for an explination. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In the process of undeleting your subpages right now...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wooo! Long time no see, Dusti!  Enigma  message 17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Its great to be back guys and Keep, looked through your archives and your guess on what happened is right, and Fabrictramps as well. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you recall your committed identity? I have a copy of it in your still deleted subpage <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, nevermind, I know it's you. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't remember it, but yea, its good ol Dusti. What's been going on since I left, any major things? <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not much. User:Travellingcari is an admin now, see this, E-man is at RfA right now.  Pedro vanished yesterday, hoping he comes back soon, what else? <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * IDK, just estatic to be back. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Was trying to work out why his sig was odd, hope he's OK. WB Dusti, not that I haven't said that in three places now. :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!! Congrats again, 2x now lol. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What's happened to Pedro? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I am sure that he'll be back though.  Check EVula's talk page history from yesterday. (a section was recently removed) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * YIKES! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no shit. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF? I didn't see that until this discussion here. I just was reading Pedro's contributions to a discussion yesterday! I'm not pleased.  Enigma  message 18:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither is Pedro. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to see you, Dusti. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Archive
I'm going to get that bot to do it. However, for my ease, it will be archived everyday. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk 21:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent response. Best of luck with the archivebot.  Let me know if you need any assistance along the way.  Happy editing, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wiki Love
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Underage '« <font color="#9696A0" face="Snap ITC">Milk's Favorite <font color="#4D0100" face="Snap ITC">Cøøkie ' has given User:Keeper76 a large Whisky. Whisky somehow promotes wiki love. Keeper76 will soon go offline as he is to achieve a state of supreme enlightenment through this course of action.


 * Enjoy :) « <font color="#9696A0" face="Snap ITC">Milk's Favorite <font color="#4D0100" face="Snap ITC">Cøøkie  01:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * MMMM, tasty... thanks MFC! ( are you old enough to be handing out whisky??? <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting closer.... « <font color="#9696A0" face="Snap ITC">Milk's Favorite <font color="#4D0100" face="Snap ITC">Cøøkie  01:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh! that makes me laugh out loud. I remember vividly what it was like to be <21 (US legal drinking age).  You will certainly enjoy your first "legal" drink, MFC, I promise.  Just don't be a drunk.  Drunks are useless and a blight on society and a blight on my paycheck.  Cheers,  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Your trust
Hello, Keeper76. I know you remember our last conversation, right? You said you didn't trust me anymore. I was asking if I could have second chance for your trust back. I'm sorry for my copyvios which you thought was my work, more specifically baseball uniform, giving me a barnstar for thinking I wrote all that. I did right most of the part, but the rest I was just trying to reword it. I can really do better than that. I can write a decent article like "baseball uniform," I just can't find a good topic on (which is pretty hard deciding on). I have learned from my mistake. I'm truly sorry for what I did, and I am willing to revoke that barnstar you awarded me. I don't deserve it. Your not my keeper, adopter, or anything like that. I just trust you and I was hoping if you could trust me again and help me out if I need some advice. So, can you trust me again? -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk ) 01:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I trust you Ryan.  Keep on keepin on.  I'll be offline here for a few hours (12-14), but I'm glad you've stuck around and are willing to improve yourself as an editor. Looking forward to working with you again!  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) But should I revoke that barnstar? I don't think I deserve it, mainly the part about baseball uniform. --<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk ) 01:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can do what you want with the barnstar. I'm personally not a big fan of barnstars, especially those that are "earned" and not "received" (do you get the difference?).  It's up to you to do what you want with your own userpages.  I refuse to remove it myself.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  01:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Our Deal
What, if anything, are we going to do as far as this goes? Thoughts, opinions, or do we want to restart or start where we left off? <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 12:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Something to maybe take a gander at Dusti, User:Pedro/Mentoring. Oh and welcome back! I was busy yesterday with baby preparation troubles, but seeing that you had returned was a pleasant surprise. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 12:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Forgot about that! I'll go back and read it Dusti, I don't remember at all what we were doing - that seems like ages ago, don't it?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That it does Keep, that it does :D. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 16:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Your old school IP just popped to the top of my watchlist with a vandalism warning. Are you still editing from school, and if so, do you know who's doing it?  If not, want me to block it? <insert evil laugh here...> <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * can you provide a link? I might be able to see who it is. The website (Wikipedia) is supposed to be blocked from anyone because it is ocnsidered a (don't choke on your room temp Mtn. Dew) Chat Room. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 16:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean it's not a chat room? Who knew!  And no, I'm not giving you the IP - go find it in your diffs (you edited the IP talkpage once - it was blocked and you got it unblocked) if you really really want it.  I don't think you should be involved (conflict of interest) with anything related to your old school.   <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Go ahead any apply a range block if you will. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 16:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that you found it. And no, I'm not blocking the State of Indiana, sorry.  The vandalism is minor rather harmless stuff, warnings, then stronger warnings, then a short block of the single IP, not the whole state system, if necessary.  Keepin' my eye on it.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You won't be blocking the whole state. You'll be blocking ISSCH IP addresses. :D I called the Principal/Superintendent of School Instruction and left him a voicemail. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 17:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

<colon-free editing -- free the colons!!!>I won't be blocking any time soon, the vandy stopped, it was minor, and sparse. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Want to bounce this off some other people
Hi Keeper! I've enjoyed some playing with my shiny buttons, but I'm trying to get on with the project I originally promised to undertake within my RfA - clearing up the unwatched page situation. I've been mulling over how best to do this, and hopefully you (or the masses who watch your page) can make suggestions:

I can extract the unwatched articles fairly rapidly using a copy and paste into my raw watchlist, so that they are watched, which is essential before the next step. In the next step, I will have a series of pages (probably in my userspace - not sure project space is appropriate for this) where I can drop the lists of articles by Wikiproject (so a separate page for Wikiproject Astronomy, Wikiproject Skyscaper, etc). I can then drop a line to the relevant projects asking them to dorp by the page and watchlist the articles.

With the articles you extracted for me pre/mid-RfA, I've had a good success rate on getting them watched, and even edited again, so I'm convinced that the Wikiproject route is the way to go. My only concern is dumping 1000s of articles on my watchlist whilst I wait for them to be claimed. I could alternatively use my bot account as a holder (no intention to edit on that account) or I could create an alternative account, like User:Fritzpoll2, just so that I don't swamp my own watchlists with articles I've no interest in editing.

Not sure what's best here. What do you think Fritzpoll (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wikiproject route is a good way to go, glad it's working for you (and also very glad you can get at the articles yerself :-) I would say creating a non-admin "secondary" account is a good idea, actually quite commonly done (usually so that admin accounts are more secure, for example folks will have "public computer account".)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As you can see, it's now bluelinked, and I'll follow that route. Cheers Fritzpoll (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

By coincidence I just asked Jza84 if there were any of the Greater Manchester project tagged articles unwatched, so I think contacting the wikiprojects is a great idea. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Homestay and User talk:Belozan
Question for you, is 'user continues to remove content attributed to reliable sources and replaces with (presumably} his own website' grounds for anything? Obviously I wouldn't do anything because I'm involved on the article but is it report worthy to AIV for spam? It's a clear SPA, he was the creator and has been spamming elsewhere. It's not vandalism and it's not a promotional username, but it's spammy. Does it land under anything? Thanks! PS: So not talking to you this weekend ;) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * One of us will have gloating rights for surely. I'll look into the belozan stuff here shortly....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just hoping the new Joba Rules result in a W. We need them, you don't. And thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's really a redirect? Too funny.  Joba v. Boof would be fun, if only just to say it out loud...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Scarily, it could probably stand on its own. It definitely needs to be better covered but much as I love baseball, I have no desire to work on players' articles. Too much minutiae and arguing over stupidity. Same reason I abandoned this effort. Not worth the drama. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply
I replied to your message on my talk page. Prima Facist 17:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And again Prima Facist 17:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've already replied there. I'm watchlisting, you don't have to post here.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

My userpage
It seems Gwen has removed the lessage I left there. I am unhappy with this, as I see it as her using her admin powers to silence me. Can you advise me on what to do? 137.195.250.2 (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankyou 137.195.250.2 (talk) 20:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Was just about to ask you to reprotect but you beat me to it, thanks. Given Gwen's attitude here and the fact that when she couldn't have her way with blanking/redirecting the page she unprotected it, against my original wish, is there anything I can do to ask for her conduct to be reviewed? 137.195.250.2 (talk) 21:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Go read her message again, she added "including me". Gwen was bending over backwards trying to get it right, (she unprotected it so you could fix it) I see no reason at this point to go any further with this.  It draws attention away from the encyclopedia unnecessarily.  Wishing you luck in your endeavors, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Just letting you know that another account has popped up: LegitAltAccount. Please see the bottom of the discussion. D.M.N. (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was already blocked. I'll try to catch up...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible RfA
Ok, I replied on my talk page, and then Malleus posted a message, and I thought some more, and so I replied again, saying effectivelt "let's do it now, then!" DDStretch   (talk)  01:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Page is bluelinked, I'm working on my nom statement.  Replied more on your talk...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving me the heads-up. I've added a co-nom.  bibliomaniac 1  5  20:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just read it. Excellent - no Ddstretch needs to get off his duff and add answers the the questions :)  Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you. I'm getting there, but a touch of bronchitis (in me) and a sick child are waylaying me a bit today.  DDStretch    (talk)  21:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Now all done and transcluded. Just waiting to be crushed by innumerable extra optional questions. DDStretch   (talk)  11:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I'll head there now, and I'm willing to bet that you'll come out on top, alive & kicking, with extra tools.  :-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I just came across the closed ANI thread on this
. I find it distressing that this WP:SPA or WP:SOCK decided to use my username as a basis for his agenda. I haven't been monitoring ANI as heavily as I used to, so I came across this situation rather late and indirectly. I wish the user had left me out of it. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 02:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Distressing yes, but harmless. His account (and the next sock that came right behind it) have both been indef blocked.  I wouldn't worry about it too much -- <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do wonder who the master account was, though... Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Requests for checkuser/Case/Prima Facist, that help? Or is there another master? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, the more I go back and read over this stuff, the more tragic it is. I'm familiar with Astral (don't know where from), but he's a terrific editor.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I kind of avoided the further discussion about checkuser, I was already a little over involved. Can't say I recognize Astral. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I dropped out of it myself. The first time I saw the CU was just now when TCari posted it here.  I really really was hoping that whichever long term editor was behind the admitted sock would just let it go quietly, and seemed to be heading that way.  Then a troll came along and commented on the ANI thread, and it turns out that troll was a whole continent away.  I noticed Astral's not blocked, which is good, but it's a shame that he's retired.  He did a lot of good things for Wikipedia, got caught up in the Kmweber/RFA drama net, went a bit overboard with an altaccount, and is now probably more embarassed than anything (at least I would be).  Hoping Astral is still around and reading this page.  I would very much support not blocking your main account and letting it be bygones.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was only aware because the link came across someone's talk page. No idea whose at the moment. This week seems to be drama to the umpteenth degree on the entire web, it really needs to stop. It's finally warming up and feeling like spring at least here. Can't we all go out and play. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c)All rather a sorry tale - I can't believe how it was still going on this morning on Baseball Bugs' page. Not sure my intervention there did much to help Fritzpoll (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell is it doing on Bugs' page? (is my initial reaction...)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  14:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That was mine as well! Hence my comments there Fritzpoll (talk) 14:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fritz, no, your intervention did help. The conversation essentially ended and I made my peace with Martin over on his talk. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, excellent. Glad I did something right today (huge row brewing over FritzpollBot doing anything with Russia) :) Fritzpoll (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

<Free the colons!>Just read the thread. You (and Gwynand) both made excellent points, and the irony of that drama laced thread did not escape me. I also followed the trail back to Martin's thread, and was very impressed with your post there too Gwynand. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Your input, please?
I am sorry to bother, but I would appreciate if you could please look into this matter:. There appears to be an Admin who is behaving in what I see as an obnoxious and hostile manner towards someone that he blocked. Whether the block is justified or not is not my concern. What I am concerned about is a possibly blatant violation of WP:Civil that this Admin is showing to the editor. I've had previous problems with this Admin, so I am worried that this is not an aberration. Please let me know if this is something you can provide assistance with, or if there is another channel where a complaint can be raised. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed a couple of admins there on that talkpage. I'm unfamiliar with the whole situation, but I do recognize that user's name as it is quite frequently showing up on Administrator's noticeboards.  Are you talking about Metros as the admin?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In my uninvolved opinion, everything looks fine to me. Gp75 can advertise an injury and email Metros all he wants, but it's not uncivil of Metros to not respond to that. He even states quite clearly that the emails aren't asking for anything or really discussing anything. GP75 might want sympathy on his page, but it's not Metro's fault that he isn't receiving it. Metro is interacting there and explaining the issues, maybe sternly, but accurately. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's kinda what I'm gathering as well. I've had good experiences with Metros.  If anything, I think GP has likely frayed some nerves there eco.  He has been very trying on people's patience levels, and I don't blame Metros for not responding to an email if he's trying to move on.  Leaving GP a smile was a nice thing to do though, nice work, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Much as I did get on with GP75 he has exhausted the communities patience. Just look at his block log. Metros is a sound admin, who clearly has had the courtesy to keep GP75's talk watchlisted during his current block, when he easily could have totally ignored it. I don't think there's an issue here. Pedro :  Chat  15:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree about "stern" warnings. As I see it, these comments by Metros are not in keeping with the nature of WP:Civil:

“Because why the hell do I care that you sliced your finger?”

“What'd you want? A card signed by everyone saying "We hope that you have a speedy recovery so that you can return soon as a non-productive editor who proves again and again why he is on a topic ban"? The reason you're not getting piles upon piles of "get well soon" notices is that you haven't earned the respect of other users.”

“You do realize that your next block is going to be fairly long, right? Probably in the 3-6 months to a year to possibly indefinite range. So when that block expires, you better become a productive user who doesn't have all these "accidents" and "mistakes" that you keep experiencing.”

That language is obnoxious and mean-spirited – and that third quote is a blatant threat (I thought blocking wasn’t supposed to be used to punish people). I’ve had my own concerns with Metros, which is why I was worried that this is not an aberration. I hate to see people addressed in such a crass and demeaning manner. This is why I am bringing it to your attention, with the request for intervention. Perhaps Metros should just stay away from this editor and focus elsewhere? Ecoleetage (talk) 15:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, those are reasonable responses, he's actually just being totally honest. The last one is not a "threat", just an accurate statement of facts and actually a statement that GP would benefit from if he took it to heart. I know you are trying to help Ecol, but GP75 needs encouragement and instruction in solid, non-disruptive editing, not getting caught up in needless arguments with admins or anyone. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been keeping an eye on this as I chimed in regarding the GP75 adopting issue, in my opinion, using the WP email system to send someone a note that they cut their finger isn't really an appropriate thing to do in the first place. Emails should be used for urgent confidential matters that can't be handled on-wiki. xenocidic (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've not been speaking English very long, but I do know that something like “Because why the hell do I care that you sliced your finger?” or "you haven't earned the respect of others" are not very polite things to say. I think it might make sense if Metros and GP75 just stopped communicating with each other, and if another admin came in to actually "work" with GP75 (and not bait him on, which I am seeing here).  Unless GP75 created a heinous crime, he deserves to be shown respect -- particularly from an admin.  Thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Response
I'd like to thank the other users who have backed me up here. It would have been nice to been made aware of this conversation, but whatever. I have no real response because A. I'll let the actions I took speak for themselves and B. everyone's basically captured what I wanted to say. Metros (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Metros, I was actually about to post to your talkpage, but figured this may as well die down without escalating. Eco did offer a possible suggestion, in that you stay away from GP's talkpage.  You of course have no obligation to do so, but it might be a good faith gesture.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And let me quickly add that it would certainly mean that GP should not email you or post anything about you or directed to you on his talkpage either. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be glad to work with GP75 and try to get him into the groove. Whether I have any success is another matter, but I am willing to give it a go. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You do realize how many editors have uttered that exact sentence, right? <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Keeper, you don't know Eco Lee Tage! :) Ecoleetage (talk) 16:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't stopping you, just giving you fair warning. Do what you will, go Eco! <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am on the case. Peace to all! Ecoleetage (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Some assistance please
I need to run folks, some really weird stuff just came up IRL - can't explain now, gotta go. I may be gone a few days, hopefully not longer - will someone please tag my user/user talk with wiki-break templates? Also, keep an eye on my RfA candidate Ddstretch. Later<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. I hope all is/will be OK. Will keep you in my thoughts, you know where to find us if you need anything. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope all is well. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 23:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what's going on here. You forgot to pay your electric bill, you cheeky bastard! Quick solution: run a few extension cords to your neighbor's house. Make sure they're green so they blend in with the grass. Also, get the really thick ones so there's less resistance in the wire (it helps the current flow). If the guy finds the cords, just say something like "Oh, those damn kids and their games! Don't worry ______ I'll sort them out. Sorry about that. You know teenagers!" then head for your other neighbor. Works every time.-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 23:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Funny behavior
Mind checking out what is going on over here? This user, under various names, has a long history. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd try to ask him myself, but he basically removes anything put on his talk, and now he has a speedy up on it. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've been watching him. He requested with a db-move tag that his page deleted so that he could move his "temptalk" page back over the top of it.  Bizarre busy work, but your message wasn't deleted, it was moved to his "temptalk" page.  This user has a long history of editing, most of it not very good (sockpuppetry, etc), but is being "reformed" to some degree, although he's asked for and been declined rollback at least twice by me, I find him rather harmless.  If you want to understand a bit about who is behind this account, go listen to his radio program, linked from his talkpage.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I saw that.... is it actually him talking? Definitly gonna check that out after work. Thanks for explaining what was going on. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A few relevant links for you Gwynand: Radio Wikipedia, User talk:StewieGriffin!/TempUsertalk where he moved your message, and User:StewieGriffin!/TempUserpage.  And yes, it's him talking, or at least he introduces himself as "real name, known on wikipedia as Stewie Griffin"...it's actually not half bad, but at the same time, bizarre...you'll know what I mean.  (And I'm pretty sure I just did some free advertising for him to the hordes that are reading my talkpage...:-)   <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh Good Lord. I just listened to that. I'm about to have my first son in three weeks... I really can't do anything more than smile at that. Good for him. What accent is that? Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds a touch Irish or Scottish to me, but my midwestern ears think Texans sound funny, so I'm not sure. Could be anything.  Could be New Yorkian...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I have to say, I was grinning ear to ear listening. Can't help but like the little guy...kinda like the real Stewie Griffin...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

(colon farm)Could be New Yorkian... why I oughta... ;) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Reading this just made me smile, my accent is Northen English. Next Issue out tommorow. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk 19:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keeper, could I mention your comments in tomorrow's issue. What advertising has you done? or is it just this? Would you please subscribe. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

&larr; Listening now, reminds me of when I used to run a basement radio programme. Nice job Stewie. I'm concerned about the use of the real name though, per WP:CHILD. xenocidic (talk) 21:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

OK this technologically challenged person is feeling left out. What's an .ogg file and how to I play it using a Mac? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Some kind of sound file. Mine plays in Winamp, but I don't think they have that on Mac. Try typing "ogg mac" into Google =) xenocidic (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Dan Gladden
so they interviewed him on the pre-game this evening. I cannpt believe he's an announcer. Don't remember his debut but I do remember him with the Twinkies in the 80s. Scary. He has the same broken baseball engrish of other commentators. "The Twins have pulled to with 2 games behind and closed to 2nd between the the White Sox" Um?? Good game tonight, I realise you may not have watched it due to whatever is going on, but yeah....can't not talk about this series with you :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

mmm...who stole the Yankees' bats today? I wasn't their luck charm, that's why. Didn't get to watch. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! Hope all is OK. Watching Friday and Sat... I can't imagine playing in the Dome all season and trying to field fly balls. I used to be a right fielder and *yuck* TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I ended up "off the grid" in more ways than one, missed Fri and Sat games. Had them DVR'd.  On Sun. afternoon I "accidently" started watching the matinee, and good ol' Burt says "Yankees won the first two in the series..."  .  Pisser.  Deleted em both, enjoyed Sunday's game.  All's well again in Keeperland, I won't go into details about my sudden covertness...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  15:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Figured you wouldn't/couldn't and that's why I didn't ask. Just glad to see you back, safe and sound. I had a good excuse for missing yesterday -- went to the NYC meet-up and met DGG and Enigmaman, among others. Can't believe they're playing tonight -- 6pm is on aodd start time. I'm in awe that you're able to DVR and not get leaked. I've never managed that. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Proof of East Coast bias! :D They're starting at 7:05 Yankees time instead of 7:05 Twins time! I don't really understand.  Enigma  message 17:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely right E-man. It's 6:05 Central time, because it's assumed that most people watching on FSN (and probably about 30% of the fans in stadium based on cheer levels) are Yankees fans.  Sigh.  If only the west coast road trip games started at 5pm pacific, then I wouldn't have games starting at 9pm local... Love my small market team though, and the DVR is already set up to catch the beginning (I probably won't get home til the 5th or 6th inning) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. I agree. If they're going to start an East Coast bias thing, let's go all the way. Everyone should be forced to play at 7 PM Eastern time instead of the local time. Lakers-Warriors? No more 10:35 Eastern time. You gotta start at 4 PM your time, boys.  Enigma  message 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting home in the middle of a game is the worst. The only option is to then DVR the entire thing (IOW, not watch when you get home) and then hope you can find time to watch beginning to end without someone telling you the score first.  Enigma  message 17:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, when I get home, I'll start the (recorded) game from the beginning, and fast forward the commercials. I usually end up ending at the same time as the live game.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because you get to use these new-fangled devices. I use a VCR from the '60s or so. Thus I'm left with no recourse but to let it finish recording, and then watch from the beginning later.  Enigma  message 17:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

{Colon farm} it is a 7p EST time, which I consider odd for games in Central Time (or is Minnesota mountain? I don't think so). Either way, not complaining. 8 pm starts I can deal, it's the 10p+ that kill me when I have to get up. I don't like Fri-Mon series because they knock everything off kilter. Supposed to be early on getaway which makes sense for Sunday but not non-holiday Monday. I hate day games in general because I never get to see them and there's the huge SNY ticker between my office and grand Central so I can't not be spoiled. And Enigma, I'm also all about the VCR. DVR is above me TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm as far away from technological ability as you could possibly fathom, but I'll never go back. DirecTV can triple my rates.  I'll piss and moan, and then pay it.  I can't imagine life without it, and I don't remember what it was like to watch commercials.  I usually record a program (sorry Brits, programme) that I want to see, and start watching it 20 minutes in.  After fastforwarding commercials, I end on time).  It's a beautiful thing.  Also, when I am stuck watching a game (or something else) "live", I can pause it when the phone rings, I can rewind if I missed a joke, or if I just want to see Cabrera fall on his ass in centerfield over and over again while Morneau rounds third and walks across homeplate....over and over again....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I'm being a stickler today, the game is not at "7 PM EST time." It's at 7 PM EDT. :D  Enigma  message 19:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * and because I wasn't home I could have remained blissfully unaware of that. In the end, did that run really matter? Did I tell you that I have Morneau's autograph from when he was playing with the Rochester Red Wings? And Engima, I'll learn one day when we're in and out of daylight savings. Confused me greatly in Australia when I crossed from NSW to QLD - not only is there a time diff between the two states but QLD doesn't do daylight savings. I asked someone for the time ahd she was baffled -- I was wearing a watch but I had _no_ idea. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 *  Enigma  message 19:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This thread is definitely the highlight of my day :-) I never know what the hell time it is anywhere. Good to see you keeping your chin up E-man, your RFA is Messed Up...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nifty box, Enigmaman! I might have to add that once I find a second to balance it out. I'm all about symmetry. Ditto, Keeper. When I lived overseas and my brother was on the evening shift, my parents learnt not to worry about a late night call -- just meant their children didn't know/ccare what time it was. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)