User talk:Kudpung/Archive Dec 2011

Intro and assessment of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab
Raqib nizami (talk) 09:01, 29 December 2011 (UTC)Every time you and other respective editors point me NPOV and other law,but let me tell you If it is only for Muhammad ibn ab al Wahhab that you can not criticize or tell truth then why not for "Adolf Hitler"!here in wikipidia[1]there is no debate and edit war to say that Hitler is commonly associated with the rise of fascism and the Holocaust in Europe and responsible for world war!then why So much alert and debate on the fact of Muhammad ibn ab al Wahhab tried to reform a new sect(firqa)wahhabism!?When there are so many Historical proof supporting my point. why we cant criticize Muhammad ibn ab al Wahhab when Wikipedia let criticize Even Prophet Muhammad[2]?

Montessori High School at University Circle
Hello -- Good Afternoon,

I am confused why you tagged my "Montessori High School at University Circle" page I've created this past hour. I seemed to be in mid edit when you put in the warnings.

Thanks for what you do!

USAF_1832 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usaf 1832 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. In some instances, tagging helps draw the creator's attention  to  possible issues while the creators may  still  be logged in  and able to  respond - many  articles, especially  those on  schools, are created by  WP:SPA who  do  not  return to  their articles which  may  then be subsequently  deleted if the issues are not  addressed. Such  tags are not  necessarily  a criticism  of the article or work  in  progress, and are intended as a help. Thank you  for responding to  the issues; there is however still  the concern that  the references you  supplied are not  reliable sources and do  not  assert notability  for inclusion  per our criteria for organisations. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the fast response again. It doesn't appear I am an WP:SPA, since I have never been to the school or have any affiliation--I'm defined as an independent party.


 * "references you supplied are not  reliable sources and do  not  assert notability  for inclusion  per our criteria for organisations."


 * According to your link, a newspaper article is a credible source. There have been at least three newspaper articles written by the Cleveland Plain Dealer, two of which I linked as my reference.  Do I still need more?

--User:Usaf 1832 (talk) 05:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. My apologies if you  misunderstood -  there is a big difference between WP:SPA and WP:COI, and I  was just  generalising  on  a major issue concerning  new articles. By  reliable sources, it  is generlly  expected that sources will  be multiple and have extensive coverage; newspapers should be established, not  local, and be at least  of regional,  or in  the USA, of state-wide distribution;  this is of particular importance for schools as they often receive routine mentions in  local  newspapers. This for example, is simply  an  information  piece on  the opening  of the school; at  that  time the school would not  have earned any  notability, while this is little more than advertorial that  again  is only  based on  the school's opening. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello, again. I was able to add in an article out of Tempe, Arizona http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2011/09/23/20110923tempe-district-weigh-montessori-high-school.html, and essentially include about every other source I could possibly find on the new school, as you will see with the spike in sources.

This is very difficult to find additional coverage because the place is a new school. Can the article remain? Do I cover the warnings you posted at the top? User:Usaf 1832 (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Re Create article
Hello Kudpung, We were in touch earlier this year and I started to create an article for The Amazing People Club. www.amazingpeopleclub.com At the time we were about to sign deals with Ebsco Publishing, Global Grid for Learning and Pearson Education. This has all now happened which I believe gives a lot more credentials, PLUS we have been endorsed across the Education Press. I was about to continue the edits but noticed that another administrator has since deleted our draft. Can this be re-created or do we have to start a new one. We will ensure that it is not 'promotional'. Our list of educational resources has now grown vastly and I feel strongly that we should have a wiki page. Greatly appreciate your help and support with this project and any advice you can offer along the way. Thanking you, kind regards, Marion. Lenmar123 (talk) 02:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would caution you about our conflict of interest policy; writing about organizations very close to you is strongly discouraged. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Marion. The original  article was correctly  deleted as being  promotional (highly promotional), but  also  failed to  meet other major criteria for inclusions. Receating  an article that  has no  promotional  tone is no  guarantee hat  it  will  meet all  criteria -  most  especially  those for notability, especially  the ones for companies and organisations ; yours is a very  new organisation and mentions about founding,  mergers, take overs, or a publishers list  of  publications will not  suffice. As Blade mentions above, there also appears to  be a  conflict of interest. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:UWTEST update
Hi Kudpung,

Just giving you a heads-up about the latest update on our template testing. Please peruse when you have a minute. Thanks! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 05:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Fatshark
I've replied on my talk. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand.
(This is with regard to User talk:Dcoetzee, but I thought it best to bring it here.)

I don't understand. You have stated that the community trusts all users by default (which would be a nice ideal, but I'm afraid for example IPs aren't often given the benefit of the doubt and for good reason), and I proposed a rewording to that effect, which highlights the potential shortcomings of an individual rather than saying that most administrators would not be trusted with the functionary tools. But you also disagree with this because (if I am reading this wrong, please correct me) I opposed your RfA? That's a bit of a non-sequitur. My personal trust in any given candidate has nothing to do with this discussion.

Seeing as you passed, it is clear that the community expressed trust in you; that's fine by me. I bear no grudge, nor do I assume bad faith of RfA candidates. But this frustrates me, because it seems like everywhere you have interacted with me (even at the humorous Editor for Deletion page) my comment in your RfA seems to be a sticking point for you. I respect you and your many efforts to improve the project, and worded my oppose accordingly, as carefully as I could, going so far as to quantify it as a "moral oppose" of sorts, similar to the "this is not the outcome I'm after, but-" moral supports. I simply pointed out what was an impression I had based on what of your opinions I had read and did not intend to sabotage your RfA (or do anything of the sort.) I don't know if my feeling that you're aggrieved is correct or not. If it is, I'd dearly like to rectify any bad blood between us. I don't want to feel like I've offended you, and I can assure you that I did not intend to. So... is there anything I can do to help resolve this, or am I making a mountain out of a molehill? sonia ♫ 23:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Sonia, you can rest  assured that  as an admin and a 62 year old retired professor, I  have a very  thick  skin, and don't  bear grudges. I'm also  far from  being  the child hater I  was made out  to  be that  nearly  sabotaged my  RfA (while others realising  some voters' errors, retracted their oppose votes). I have nothing  whatsoever against  young people, I've worked with  them  all  my  life, but  I  do  wish  they wouldn't  all  want  to  be admins or mess with  meta stuff -  aye, there's the rub, they'll all be stampeding for one of Dcoetzee halloween hats! What we need is to repair the current system, and that begins with honest, well researched voting. No hard feelings, and I would very much like to see you participating more often at RfA :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC) This is an interesting thread, and your olive branch puts things to rights ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you muchly for the gracious response and the kitten! I filled out that NPP survey you worked on, by the way, and am looking forward to seeing the results when they're released. sonia ♫ 01:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

CarrierIQ page deletion
Hello, could you please enlighten us as to why the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarrierIQ page was deleted? Was it being vandalized? Or was it by request? Thank you. --RafaelBGaiarsa (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to hear why this was deleted. CarrierIQ is getting major coverage lately. — ceejayoz talk 15:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are aware that  the first  article was deleted, you  are aware of the reason  why. The deleted version  had very little  resemblance whatsoever with  the current  article ansd was an unreferenced biography  with  an even shorter  mention of CarrierIQ, with  spam  links. Notability was not  asserted for any  of the items in  the article. Uncontroversial deletion. BTW, the wired.com source above is a blog. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Notability" doesn't need to be asserted for a page to survive speedy deletion, and neither does speedy deletion consider the reliability of sources. Please refamiliarise yourself with WP:DELPOL. The page you deleted said "It has been discovered that the CarrierIQ software, which is embedded in a majority of cell phones is acting as a keylogger, sending personal information, including confidential information typed into virtual keypads or embedded in https URLs", which is a credible claim of importance - that is all that is needed to survive speedy deletion. You should not have deleted it. We simply drive away contributors with such deletions. Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, blogs at wired.com are news blogs and not personal blogs - the author, David Kravets, is a "senior staff writer for Wired.com". Thus it is a reliable source, see WP:NEWSBLOG. Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Who is this message addressed at? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm addressing you. If you know these things, why did you speedily delete the page and why did you say "BTW, the wired.com source above is a blog"? Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Pune pilot analysis plan
Hi! As you were very active in discussions about the India Education Program's Pune pilot, I wanted to draw your attention to India_Education_Program/Analysis, a page that documents our analysis plan for the next few months. I encourage you to join the discussion if you have any thoughts. -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. But as I  have explained in  my posting  there, I'm  fast  loosing  interest for the reasons stated. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:35, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/MichaelQSchmidt 2
Hi Kudpung. This is a courtesy note that your support in Requests for adminship/MichaelQSchmidt 2 is not recorded in your contributions. It was oversighted because an earlier post by another user contained an inappropriate link about a similarly named individual as the candidate. Cunard (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry Cunard but  this explanation is inadequate. A total of 29 votes/comment  were oversigted. On whose authority? Who  oversighted it? Why  has there been no  explanation  provided on  the RfA's talk  page? How many  actual  votes were affected?  has the the editor  been blocked?A mere 'courtesy' note implies that  I  have done something  wrong  on  that  RfA. Whatever happened was obviously  important  and must  be followed up. PLease let  me have more details. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oversight policy. AFAIK, nobody can see the log entry of a user oversighting an edit. → Σ  τ  c . 01:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you  Sigma - I am  aware of that. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Kudpung, feel free to e-mail me if you would like a more detailed explanation of why they were oversighted. It's not something we should get into on-wiki, IMO. 28bytes (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add, this diff shows the state of the RfA before and after the redacted material was present. Your vote was not removed by the oversighting. 28bytes (talk)


 * Hi Kudpung. Per MQS's request and explanation about how the news article regarding a similarly named man who committed an atrocious crime could impact his life and career, I requested oversight by emailing . See here and here for more information. Please see also my email to you where I sent you a partial transcript of Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's comment and MQS's response, which was preserved in my browser cache. Cunard (talk) 01:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I have undone your second vote because the first one remains in the support column, albeit not in the history. I do not believe that any of the votes were deleted by the oversighter. Cunard (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cunard, and thank you also  for the insight in looking in  your browser cache. I  have made a blank  edit  to  qualify  your  accusatory  ES about  my  duplicate vote. However, no  official  explanation  for the 28 oversighted edits has been offered, and the above courtesy note looks equally  annoyingly like an ANI 'You  have been reported...' message. I  wish  to  assure the community  that  I  was in  no  way  involved with  whatever happened, and that  my  integrity  is not  disputed.  Although I'm  fully  aware that  you  are acting  in  GF, please consider expressing  your self more accurately,


 * Additionally, the community should be provided with  some basic details through  an official statement, in case they  feel  it  is necessary  to  proceed against  whoever did whatever was such  a serious breach of Wikipedia policy. It  is Sunday 08:53 am here, and if I  had been away  for the weekend, the true result  of an RfA that  is due to  close in  a few hours may have been compromised . In  consequence, I  have asked for a 24 hour  extension to  the closure - whether the candidate is likely  to  succeed or not  is immaterial. Let's please look into  this further, RfA has become a bad enough joke already. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have made a blank  edit  to  qualify  your  accusatory  ES about  my  duplicate vote – my edit summary was "Undid revision 463921820 by Kudpung (talk), duplicate vote". – it is a purely informative edit summary. Your previous vote of 15 hours prior was five votes above your second vote, where you wrote (bolding preserved): "Replacing a legitimate vote that was arbitrarily removed and oversighted without explanation."  Your comment is very accusatory and factually inaccurate. This is a strong contrast to my bland, accurate edit summary of "duplicate vote", which is non-accusatory and ascribes to you no bad faith motives unless you choose to see one. Your comment here reminds me of User talk:Malleus Fatuorum/Archives/2011/November, where you saw a personal attack where there was none. no  official  explanation  for the 28 oversighted edits has been offered, and the above courtesy note looks equally  annoyingly like an ANI 'You  have been reported...' message. ... — my notification avoided revealing too much about the sensitive information that was oversighted—a link to a news article that connected MichaelQSchmidt to a similarly named man who committed an atrocious crime. I asked the oversighter to notify everyone whose edits had been oversighted, but he did not wish to get further involved in the RfA and told me to do it if I wanted everyone notified. My email to you of the edit that precipitated the oversighting should have been sufficient explanation as to why it was oversighted. That you doubt my explanation—believing that it is insufficient to ensure that your "integrity is not disputed"—and demand an "official explanation" indicates that I have wasted my time trying to explain why the edits were oversighted. Although I'm  fully  aware that  you  are acting  in  GF, please consider expressing  your self more accurately, – I have expressed myself accurately and honestly. I have spoken all I can say about the matter. Your condescension is unwelcome. Cunard (talk) 05:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I thanked you  for your email. But  it  did not  replace an official  statement that could easily have been made and that  could and perhaps have led to  any  possible sanctions that  might  have needed to  be considered. Any  messages that  begin with  'Courtesy note' have obvious connotations and cause a knee-jerk - yes, I  was a bit  quick  to  react  especially when I  couldn't  find my  vote in  the edit  history,  and I still fail to  understand why  my  part of the editing history  has to  be removed from all the logs -  I  don't  suffer from  eidtcountitis, but  I  place great  worth  on  the integrity  of my  contributions in  the database, especially  on those to  RfA  matters. The Malleus issue is only  the tip  of the iceberg of an exasperatingly  slow-burning  situation and should neither  be taken out  of context nor used for effect here.  There was nothing  condescending  intended and I'm  sorry  if you read it  as such - all  I deduce from  that  is that you  are as sensitive as I  am, and that's probably  not  a bad thing.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I recommend that you contact the oversighter,, for an "official statement". He explained to me that all the edits made after 's posting of the inappropriate link had to be oversighted because they contained the link. He oversighted the usernames as well with the following reasoning: "We _could_ remove the revision but leave the name of the user who made it, as you suggest. However, this would then be taken by a casual observer to imply that it was in fact that user who introduced suppression-worthy content; the net effect would be to connect those users with a suppressed incident in which they happened to be innocent bystanders." (I've quoted this statement from our email correspondence under fair use and do not believe my quoting of it violates any privacy or copyright policies. It is a clarification of the oversight policy and is non-private in nature.) I had read your response as condescending, and thank you for clarifying that it was not meant as such. Cunard (talk) 06:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help
Hi there thank you for your help regarding the 24weekers and Alan Entwistle (director) pages. They were refered to AfD a few days ago and to date there doesnt appear to be a debate occurring as to whether they should be improved/kept or deleted so I felt it prudent to remove the content - how can I determine timescales for possible deletion or restoration thank you. --Entsal007 (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Normally an AfD is closed with a community decision after 7 days, but we are trying to see if I can delete them for you if the AfD nominator agrees, and if the articles have not received substantial edits by other users. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

RFA thank you
Thank you for your comment and support at my recent successful RFA. Being now the new fellow in the fraternity of administrators, I will do my best to live up to the confidence shown in me by others, will move slowly and carefully when using the mop, will seek input from others before any action of which I might be unsure, and will try not to break anything beyond repair. I greatly appreciated your insight. Best,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Personal attack
This message clearly refers to me, and will have been read as such by its recipient. The phrase "delibertely hounding the entire suite of my our Malvern articles" is an exaggeration so gross as to be actually mendacious. This is a personal attack on me and you should withdraw it. Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * By some process, you  appear to  have stumbled on the request  I  made to  one of our  most  experienced, mature, and highly  respected editors who  is also  a professional expert on publications. He is also a very good ombudsman in other matters too - and for what  it's worth, although  he and I disagree on  many  things as often as we concur, I  will accept without  reserve any  judgement  he cares to  make in this/these issues. As you  appear to  concerned with  the interpretation of our policies and guidelines (which are flexible to  some extent), which  of course we all  should be, without  predjudice to  any  current situations, you  may  find  this essay interesting. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The process you find so mysterious was going to his personal talk page after we had engaged in a civilised discussion on sourcing at an article talk page (you should try it some time). Now will you withdraw your false accusation of hounding?  Cusop Dingle (talk) 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Cusop. I did not  find it  mysterious at  at  all. I  perceived what  I  considered at  the time to  be another instance of unnecessary tracking  my  edits. Based on my  revert of an edit  you  made on  a  page following  comment  by  Gyromagician  that  you  left unanswered  until three months and nine days until I  restored the reference, it seemed to me you had followed on by  commenting on and/or reverting edits  on  another page that I  have contributed to -  which  did not in  my  opinion demonstrate good faith.  Having noticed  that I and Gyro are among the main  contributors to  an entire suite of Malvern articles that  includes at  least  two  GAs, you  could have come to  a user talk  page with  something  such  as Hi Kudpung/Gyro, I've noticed that  you  frequently  use a reference to Rose Garrard on Malvern related articles that  might not  in  some circumstances, be a reliable source, can you  tell  me why you feel  it  is? and if you  had, you  would have received a warm  and friendly  reply.  Nevertheless, as I do appreciate your concerns for accuracy, here is a complete list of pages that might concern Garrard references:  Edward Elgar, ‎Venice Biennale, Malvern, Worcestershire, Great Malvern, Barnards Green, North Malvern,  ‎Malvern water, Rose Garrard. This reference may ultimately satisfy your curiosity about Garrard, while  this discussion (almost  all  of it) will illustrate not  only  my  personal  concern for accurate referencing, but  also  how I normally engage in  discussions about  them. If you  want  some examples of incivility  on  Wikipedia, I can provide some (and which  are sadly  tolerated even by  some of those those empowered to  delrev them). In deference to your request, however, and based on  what  seems to  have been an unfortunate concourse of circumstances, I will modify the statement that you find so offensive, and perhaps we can both get  back to  a more collegial  approach to  editing and communicating.   Regards,  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for refactoring your accusation of hounding. You suggest that I should have asked you or another editor about the source.  On the contrary, the article talk page is the place to discuss issues of this kind -- I refer you to Talk page guidelines: "the purpose of article talk pages is to discuss the content of articles, the purpose of user talk pages is to draw the attention or discuss the edits of a user".  Neither you nor anyone else owns the Malvern articles, and I do not need to consult you personally before making changes to them.  Now let us all return to building the encyclopaedia.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Query regarding your Admin status
Kudpung. I was wondering if you could shed some light on this where you claim to be "not even an admin." You are a verified admin. since October 2006. Thanks. Leaky Caldron  11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Kudpung passed RfA in March 2011. That comment was made in February. Looks fine to me.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * So this Userbox is a bit misleading then ? I assume that it is when he first became a registered user, but it is misleading in a user box that is used for Admin. verification. Leaky  Caldron  11:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That date is when the user registered his/her account. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Danjel's got it right. Remember that sysop status is something that can come and go, so it wouldn't make sense to have the date it was added there. I'm looking through special pages to see if there's something which tells us when a user's rights are updated.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah - it appears to be admin only  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There needs to be a way for non-admins. to determine the date of someone's successful RfA rather than trawling through the RfA lists. Leaky  Caldron  12:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Gods. Distractable++ today. Bloody shiny things... Totally lost my train of thought. Thanks Worm for providing another edit for me to look at.


 * What I meant to say is that it says when the user registered and to which groups they belong. For example, mine says that I'm a rollbacker and reviewer and that I registered some time before our ancestors slithered out of the ocean. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 12:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's also available directly  form  the 'Rights changes' link  in  the 'user' tab at  the top  of every user page and user talk  page, and also  here in  the glaring  blue navbox. I  think  Leaky should do  more careful  research before making  sweeping  statements - I've know people cry  "PA!" for less. 'Where you  claim  to  to  be..' is verging  on  a not  very  friendly  form  of communication. If he believes I've done something  wrong  somewhere, and he's looking  for skellies in  my  closet, he should spit  it  out  in  clear text, because I'm  not  afraid to  hear it ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I asked you a simple, civil question in an uncomplicated manner. The Userbox for Admin. verification is clearly misleading. I suggest you remind yourself of a couple of your responsibilities as an Admin here WP:ADMINACCT and here WP:NOTPERFECT rather than immediately jumping to assume bad faith on my part. I note from other places that you have some ongoing issues with NPA and ownership concerns so maybe you're under pressure. That's no concern of mine. However, if you wish to assume bad faith because I have asked you for a simple clarification, I'm more than happy to join you over at WP:WQA. Leaky  Caldron  12:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Leaky.  OK,  I'm  tending  to  observe a lot  of genuine bad faith around the place recently, so perhaps I overreacted to  your unfortunate but  good faith concourse of syntax. To  be honest,  I've seen enough double standards and  sanctimonious bleating lately  from  those who  are happy  to  get  as close to  incivility and PA as they dare while claiming  to  be leaders in  the drive against it, and it  has made me, for the fist  time at  Wikipedia, just  a very tiny  bit somewhat jittery. Nevertheless, If  it's no  concern of yours, why  make such  a show of being  concerned about  it?  I really don't  think you  are helping  to  improving matters, so perhaps it  would be  better if we both  got  back  to  some content  editing, and perhaps on  my part rather for my  publisher than on Wikipedia.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Inherent notability for elementary schools which have been "Blue Ribbon Schools"
I am contacting you because you participated in either the AFD Articles for deletion/Kennedy Middle School (Cupertino, California) which resulted in a redirect or the deletion review Deletion review which resulted in restoration of the article because it was once a "Blue Ribbon School". I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) as to whether the 5200 schools which have been found awarded the "Blue Ribbon" seal of approval get inherent notability, or if they each have to satisfy WP:ORG via significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. Your input is welcome.Thanks! Edison (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Blocked Account
Why did you block my account? I did not put this information on here. Someone must of hacked my account.LordComputerHero (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I will look into this immediately, and if it was an error on my part, I will of course unblock. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

LordComputerHero (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Your account is not  currently  blocked, it  was only  a short block and seems to  date back  to an event or events on or near  23 October.  I  am  looking  into  the reason now and this will  take a little longer. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk  page. Thank you  for wasting  over an hour  of my  time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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You seem to be a little snappy lately. Take a deep breath, maybe drink a little coffee, and then get back to work. I know it can be hard when is seems everyone dumping their bad faith and account hacking stories all over you, but try to stay as calm as I've seen you in be in the past, no matter the situation. Good Day! T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 01:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words Tofu. See, I need someone to take care of me too! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks Danjel! I could have done it myself, but I didn't want to tread on the shoes of a great admin :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries. It was a convenient excuse to leave work instead of hanging around writing reports. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Replied on your talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC) ya fine i'll eedit it :) Anand the creator (talk) 11:54, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for adminship/Orekhova
Hello, Kudpung,

we've encountered sometime ago as you edited my articles. I am the beginner in Wikipedia, but would like to become an admin sometime, so your kind assistance would be very useful to me. I hope to count on your nomination as I reach the level of edits required by Wiki rules (soon, hopefully). I will also appreciate any of your advices. --Orekhova (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, Kudpung,

thank you for your comment, I hope to address you when I grow up a bit :) --Orekhova (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

A Great Deal On An Incredible Health Supplement
Thanks for notifying the article's creator about its speedy deletion. I was on my way to do so myself, but you beat me to it.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 12:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Five blatant ads in a row - Blocked. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and the username makes it pretty obvious too. Good block.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 12:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

About "Australian Concept Infertility Medical Centre"
Hi Kudpung, and thank you for the kind WP:USERFY offer. Do I really think it has potential to pass WP:ORG? No. It might at sometime in the future, but it doesn't appear to meet the WP:GNG now. I volunteered to help to the article creator, and I will honour that if it comes again, but it seems to me an obvious good WP:DEL.--Shirt58 (talk) 14:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Euclidthegreek
Hi there. Is it standard practice to delete these sorts of things? If so, I don't really understand what the clause in WP:G7 about the mover having been the same as the contributor means. Confused   It Is Me Here   t /  c 14:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This was a user page deletion following  a username change. The deletion  had been requested by  the renamed user. Don't  worry -  Wikipedia is a complicated place ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:36, 10 December 2011

Jenna Mason
We already have an article at Zombieland. This is a copyright violation from that article, put ther by a guy who is only vandalizing and is on their last warning. Please put the db tag back, we don't need a seven-day discussion before we remove vandalism. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 06:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I know what it  is. Before you  lecture me see what I have done already, and in  future please take care to  use the correct  db  criterion,  and read WP:DELETION. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * How very condescending of you. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 07:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Won't the BLPROD template be a little odd?Article has references,but,that is not reliable.You should take it to AFD.Please do not mind in any other way.Thanks, That's me!  Have doubt?   Track me!  07:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This source is not connected with the subject. Even with the rules of BLPPROD, a source should have something in it that refers directly to the person. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK,That's fine now.. That's me!  Have doubt?   Track me!  07:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Douglas House School Malvern
I have recently been in touch with a Thai friend who attended Douglas House School Malvern, as I did, from 1955 -57. I have been piecing together the history of the school and know it was sold to Malvern College in 1974 and was rebuilt as the Lindsay Arts Centre. I am interested in its earlier history - did the school transfer to Malvern (as several schools did) during wartime from the south coast. I know it was founded in 1944 by Mrs Owen -Williams. The Thai connection is also interesting as several girls attended the school from Siam (Thailand) and lodged at Homestead in Assarts Rd Malvern Wells. Any additional information you have would be gratefully received Thanks Rose--Roseatbuzz (talk) 09:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Rose for your interesting  message. My  father was transferred from Worth Matravers to  Malvern with  TRE in 1941. I did most  of the research  for the Malvern St James school and its complex  take-overs for the Wikipedia article, and as a former resident  of Malvern I  do remember Douglas House, although  somewhat  vaguely -  as a male of course I  did not  attend any  of these schools, but  I  was honoured to  be among  guests at  a special  open day  at  St James in  September. However,  I  really  do  not  know where to  find any  additional  information  about  Douglas  or how to  follow up  on  any  connections here in  Thailand.  Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Saving Lawrence "Lawrie" Bond, thank you!
I was about to tag that article for G12. Thank you for saving it!  Planetary Chaos  Talk 13:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The Bond car was very popular in the UK when I was a kid in the 50s & 60s. I would have already deleted it but its subject is indeed notable and deserves an article. I think the creator will rewrite it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Biography
A biography of a living person requires at least one reference or it will be deleted. Does a biography of a deceased person require one reference?Msruzicka (talk) 03:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No. that's quite different situation. We  use a standard WP:PROD and/or maintenance tags calling  for references. Notwithstanding, all  articles should be referenced,  but  not  necessarily  immediately, except of course BLPs. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * I think it'd look weird to post another talkback template, so I'm just here to tell you that I replied to your comment on Fetchcomms talk page.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 10:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to agree with you here, on virtually all points (hence, I am bringing the discussion here). CSD is an area that requires a lot of caution, and deletion isn't necessarily always the answer. By the way, you're referring primarily to admins who still don't understand WP:CSD in the context of Fetchcomms talk page discussion and not taggers, right? The reason I'm asking is because I was on NPP yesterday and I noticed you deleted some of the articles I've tagged. You weren't making subtle reference to anything I've done, I hope? I don't mean to pester you over this, I just want to be helpful to Wikipedia.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 10:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I was referring  to  admins who  still  don't (or won't) understand deletion  policy. I  know for a fact, for rxample, that  many  admins click  delete immediately  thry  see a CSD template without  investigating  if the page was correctly  tagged. If  I've deleted something  you  have tagged for deletion, you  can be pretty  sure you  tagged it  correctly. If  you  hadn't, I  would have left you  a polite message so  that  you  could learn from  your error :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for that. I appreciate your sentiments. :)
 * I'm just really cautious when it comes to CSD. I don't want to accidentally hurt someone's feelings and dishearten them from making any more contributions to this site. It's so typical of me, even in real life. I guess maybe I'm just too self-conscious for my own good.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 10:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no harm  in tagging  an article for deletion as long  as it's clearly within the policies and guidelines -  in  fact  it should be done, and the actual criteria are quite clear. What  isn't  easy  to  understand is that  A7 for example, isn't to  be used if there a re reasonsable claims to  notability  even if there are no  refs. A company  that  claims 'We are the largest  supplier of nails in  the eastern hemisphere and we've won  awards for hitting  the nail  on  the head with  our marketing' might  be telling  the truth, although  it's spammy, and needs rewriting  for neutrality  and proving. On the other hand, a garage band that  claims 'We  are the biggest  band in  Bell End (easily true) and we've played in  all  the pubs in  Worcestershire (easily true), and have   and have 30,000 hits to  our YouTube' (easily true) probably  isn't notable, and a quick  Google search  will  soon see if they  meet WP:BAND.  The best  thing to  do if you're not  sure which  criterion to  use is to  leave it  for someone else, or PROD it. The main thing  is to  do  some basic research  before tagging  anything. This is where there is often some misunderstanding - it  doesn't  mean stopping  and rewriting  the article for the creator (although  I  do  a lot  of that  too!) - most articles that arrive at special:new pages are created by WP:SPA who will never become regular editors.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's basically what I do, although I don't think the hypothetical garage band you mentioned would satisfy A7 either, as notability is asserted. But that's just my take on it.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 11:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's where the fine line lies: knowing the difference between asserted notability and asserted crap. The band in  the example is obviously looking  for free publicity  and is asking  to  be deleted per G11 -  or both. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, good point. And I agree, on reflection &mdash; I had forgotten to take into account the fact that they were writing about themselves.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 12:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The first thing to look at with any article are the refs - if they are only to MyFace, SpaceBook, ChewDube, or tweet like a sparrow, you can be reasonably sure that the creator has a bird brain or made his music in his bedroom. On the other hand, a long list of refs on a relatively short article is always suspicious, they are usually scraping the barrel for anything that mentions the subject, however vaguely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Blofeld
Dr. Blofeld is making articles such as S.B. Jones and J.Y. MacFadyen and G.C.H. Thomas etc.. etc.. and someone is deleting the article and turning it into a redirect. A user has done this to many of Blofeld’s articles. Is this vandalism? Go through Blofeld’s contribs it is surprising how many new articles have been turned into a redirect. Users who turn perfectly good articles into redirects repeatedly should be blocked for vandalism.Msruzicka (talk) 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No, redirecting articles is not vandalism. If you think the articles should not be redirected, you can either undo the edit yourself or contact the redirecting user and ask xer to reconsider. → Σ  τ  c . 01:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I am  familiar with  Blofeld's stubs. Turning  some of them  into  stubs rdirects may  possibly be appropriate, and whatever the case, it's not  vandalism, and may not  even be particularly disruptive. As Σ suggests, it's perfectly  admissible WP:BRD and should be discussed in  the normal  manner. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

AfD for Mpop (email client)
Hi Kudpung. I noticed that you closed the AfD for the Mpop article earlier today: Articles for deletion/Mpop (e-mail client) as delete. However, the article still exists, although at a slightly different title: mpop (email client). It was moved while the AfD was running. Could you delete the article? It has been tagged as CSD:G6 by another editor, but that was several hours ago. Many thanks, Sparthorse (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Going for it
Today will be the day.--Slon02 (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And now it's time. Here it goes..--Slon02 (talk) 03:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Badgering
Badgering opposes is unlikey to assist in making RFA a nicer place, as your snarky comments that I go an recall hundreds of admins is nothing more that spitting in my face. I suggest that you stop. Your conduct is unbecoming. Hipocrite (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Links for archive: RfA Slon02, and, , , . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:UWTEST update
Hi Kudpung,

We're currently busy designing some new tests, and we need your feedback/input!


 * 1) ImageTaggingBot - a bot that warns users who upload images but don't provide adequate source or license information (drafts here)
 * 2) CorenSearchBot - a bot that warns users who copy-paste text from external websites or other Wikipedia articles (drafts here)

We also have a proposal to test new "accepted," "declined," and "on-hold" templates at Articles for Creation (drafts here). The discussion isn't closed yet, so please weigh in if you're interested.

Thanks for your help! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 01:23, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Douglas House
Thanks for the information re Malvern schools -I'll keep you posted!--Roseatbuzz (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Pictures From History
Dear Kudpung,

Thanks you very much for your helpful reply. I'll make the changes and see what happens.

I too am a Brit and have lived in at Ban Tha Kam some 10km south of Chiang Mai for more than 20 years, so ขอบคุณมากครับ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dru2 (talk • contribs) 08:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you think  your article will  be able to  conform  to  our policies, let  me know and I'll create a copy  of it  in  your user space for you to work on there. โชคดี! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Rewards board...and a random question
Have you ever considered posting at WP:Rewards board calling for people to help reduce the new-article backlog? Maybe this will help the now-growing backlog and give Pesky a helping hand. Talking Pesky, I think she's on and off these days and so that might be the reason in the backlog's expansion.

Another question, is Udon Thani the place where the USAF launched bombers and fighters against North Vietnam during the War? Thanks --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 10:40, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing that  would adequately  address the issue of the backlog  at  AfC now would be  the implementation  either of WP:ACTRIAL or to  resume development  of the Article Creation  Flow. The WMF refused to  implement  the former, created the latter instead but  don't  appear to  have  done any more development  on  it  for months.  I'm  surprised Pesky's still  with  Wikipedia at all after the insults and constant  hounding  she's had to  put  up  with. I think  the way  she's been treated is disgusting. Yes, Udon is indeed the place where US bombers took  off  for Vietnam. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Extra user page delete...
I don't think I tagged user:brianhe/scratch for deletion, can it be undeleted? Thanks in advance. — Brianhe (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Because I work  from the category lists that  are created by  the tags, it  would only  have been possible to  delete the pages you  tagged so  it  appears that  you probably tagged this page in  error. If you'll  confirm that  you  would like this page restored, I'll  undelete it for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, it must have been my mistake. If you can undelete the page, I'd appreciate it. Brianhe (talk) 06:08, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Plaistow County Grammar School
Thanks for your offer of help, Kudpung. I have commented on the Editor assistance request that it seems I cannot use the image of the 1930 magazine - which is unfortunate. The article I am writing grew out of someone's request for information on famous former pupils. My attention was drawn to the Newham Sixth Form College article with its short list, and I began adding to it. I created Plaistow Grammar School and Plaistow County Grammar School with redirects, but I didn't do much to the NewVic article and it seemed to me that the pupils had nothing to do with NewVic. I then resolved to write an article for Plaistow County Grammar School. The main purpose was as a vehicle for the expanding list of former pupils but as I discovered more about the school the article grew. When the article is published I will delete the list that is on NewVic. I have a couple of paragraphs to add to "my" article when/if I receive a good reply from the Royal Air Force, otherwise I want to publish it as it is at present, and then add further former pupils as and when I research them. The NewVic article is incorrect - the school was a municipal school called Plaistow Secondary School (NOT Plaistow Municipal Secondary School), and this changed to Plaistow Grammar School in 1945 as a result of the 1944 Education Act (it did NOT change in 1944) - and I will make these changes shortly. Regarding "my" article, frustratingly I CANNOT find when the word County was added to the name and I CANNOT get other pupils to confirm precisely when 'Deo Confidimus' was introduced as the motto and when it was dropped for 'Power to the People'. I therefore have to use words like "subsequently" and "later". We (a group of former pupils) have the original admissions registers for 1926 to 1959 and, when digitised, these will be presented to the local authority for its archive. Your help with the article will be gratefully received, especially since you have done such a good job in polishing the NewVic article. Please, however, for now comment on my talk page rather than make the changes yourself. Many thanks. LenF54 (talk) 16:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk  page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kudpung. I have the complete article in Word so please feel free to copyedit the one in my sandbox.  I do not intend to get involved in edit wars over commas etc, but I do want to get the article "live" asap so I can get other former pupils to look at it and offer comment, criticism or additional material.  Our yahoo group is aware of the article and making suggestions, which is where the idea for using the 1st edition of the school magazine came from.  I do want to go through the current list of former pupils and add citations to a few, and I will do that to my Word copy. LenF54 (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the recent work, and finding a usable image of the badge, but it looks like we are going to fall out. If the article cites a reason for changing from Secondary to Grammar (the Education Act of 1944) why shouldn't it show the reason for changing from Grammar to Comprehensive?  The text is there in the Wikipedia article Comprehensive school, and I found and added the 10/70.  It is all factual and relevant.  I didn't feel the House colours were important but I can add them - although there won't be a citation of a source.  I agree entirely on the examination "successes" and university - it is an area I had in mind to remove.  The original list of notable former pupils on the Newham Sixth Form College article had only Price, Hayes, Jenkins and Glester - none of whom had articles or citations.  No-one removed them from the list.  In some cases I can provide citations; in some I cannot.  I will still list the pupils.  More later. LenF54 (talk) 18:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have put the article live at Plaistow County Grammar School, amended the redirect at Plaistow Grammar School, amended the history of Newham Sixth Form College (with citations) and removed the list of alumni from there. The "former pupils" Group will consider alternative placement of the lists of headmasters, alumni and staff.  If you can now add the grammar school's badge this will be warmly received. Thanks. LenF54 (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
dalahäst (talk) 04:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Lenmar123 (talk) 04:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Hello again Kudpung, hope you are keeping well. I can see you are very busy with all the talk!! Just wanted to whizz the following by you as we are really trying to get things right with these drafts for publication. We have kept it very simple and factual and can 'build' on this further and in accordance with wiki rules, etc. Can you please take a look at these 2 drafts when you have a minute and advise.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amazingstevie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lenmar123 Many thanks in advance for your assistance. Marion. Lenmar123 (talk) 04:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * User:Amazingstevie: I don't actually see any potential for this article. It reads very promotional and would need completely reworking to clearly identify the subject - is it about a club, a publishing house, or a series of specific books? The huge list of names is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Independent 3rd party sources are essential. The text appears to have been partially copied form one or more other sources.


 * User:Lenmar123 may possibly be notable, but there is nothing I can say until it has been fully referenced. It is also written in a very promotional tone. The text appears to have been partially copied form one or more other sources.


 * Please note that using  material  from  other sources is a copyright  violation, and the content on  the user pages will  shortly  be deleted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Paraphrasing
Hi, can you please cite what sections of Lexus RX (XU10) you believe are too closely paraphrased, so that they can be rewritten? Thank you for your help. MTan355 (talk) 05:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Update -- thanks for indicating which article appears to have the same text...I checked it out and it says "from Wikipedia" at the bottom, so it's a backwardscopy, not a copy violation. Thank you. MTan355 (talk) 05:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries -  I  have left  another message on  the article talk  page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Question
I suspect it's probably obvious from a couple of my posts elsewhere, but I am seriously thinking about submitting a request for adminship at some point in the next six months. There are a number of reasons why I think I'd like to be an administrator. First, I have a strong interest in the deletion process and would like to partake in reviewing speedy nominations, prodded pages (after they've run their course), AfD listings, and so on. I also want to prevent this category from becoming backlogged too frequently. Yeah I know those are only two things (well, OK, the first I listed is a pretty broad category), but I'd love to help out in an administrative capacity someday. I'm not interested in admin coaching, and I don't see attaining adminship as the "be all, end all" of my time here. I have been contributing to Wikipedia as a registered user since 2008 and have made over 3000 edits throughout that time. I was offered a nomination for adminship by two editors back in 2009, but I refused. I want to hear your opinion &mdash; aside from having a higher edit count, is there anything I need to improve on before applying for adminship? I know I may not like the answer I get, but I'm ready to hear the honest truth. I'm sorry for burdening you with my questions, but I could use some advice.  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 06:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi M&E. I am quite happy to do this. However, as this involves considerably more research than I do for simply  voting at  an RfA, it will take me a couple of days to complete. In the meantime, do read the essay I wrote at  Advice for RfA candidates, and my  RfA criteria. As always for these requests, I will be replying by email. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Happy to do this"? As in, reviewing my contributions? If you feel inclined to do so, then sure I'd appreciate it. I'd like some feedback from an experienced user. Thanks so much. :)  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 07:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite happy :) My review also includes a full summary  of your approach  to  editing, how you communicate with others, and what I estimate your chances are at RfA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's very much what I was looking for, thanks. =)  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 19:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Albert Ostman
Some believe the article Albert Ostman is not notable. What is your opinion?Msruzicka (talk) 00:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have commented at Talk:Albert Ostman. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Comment added to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard
I replied to your comment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Occupy_Marines_AfD JohnValeron (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As a 'legend', I naturally have the page on my watchlist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Nuke?
For tagging users involved in the IEP, I was running a bot (User:Manishbot). Unfortunately, I was using an older version of the Java framework, which wasn't too compatible with the new MediaWiki. So, one of the methods (the one that checks if a user account is registered or not) was malfunctioning, and this wasn't caught in the trial. This means that the bot has tagged lots of userpages which don't have a corresponding user. Note that not all of those pages are user-less, there are plenty of userpages that have a corresponding user (who proabably neglected to add anything to his/her userpage). Basically, I want to ask if you could Special:Nuke all new pages (All new User: pages if possible) created by the bot. I'm asking you as you have already been involved in the IEP cleanup, and also you patrol NPP, so you may be more familiar with the tool. Thanks, Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 05:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I 'm not  familiar with  this tool. Also, having  already  spent  over 200 hours on  the IEP issues, I'm concentrating  on  other work  until the problems with  the actual management  of the IEP have been resolved. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I've asked at ANI. Will those problems ever be resolved? I wonder... You know, I was actually thinking of writing a proposal that the relevant sections of the community be notified of every decision of the WMF, and be involved in the decision-making process. If you look at the IEP talkpage, there are whole bunches of stuff that we never were told about. A few weeks ago, User:MER-C found a proposal to dramatically change the structure of the GEP using a Mediawiki extension. The only reason we know is because he found that out, otherwise it would have been sprung on us sometime in the future (Just how the IEP was sprung on us!). Do you think that such a proposal is necessary, or would it be going overboard? Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 08:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I can't help. As I mentioned above, I have withdrawn from IEP issues until the problems of management have been resolved. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, that's your choice! Cheers, Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 07:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

pitt lake gold find
Is the article Pitt Lake gold find notable?Msruzicka (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think so. Long article, well sourced, created in 2007. Notability never really disputed - no reason to dispute it now. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

GOCE newsletter
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Thanks for the referral.Blurbzone (talk) 07:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Blurbzone.
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Seasons greetings


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Hi Kudpung, I'd have included a portion of Christmas pud, but I don't think it would suit the climate:)  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  23:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Swingrfd
I erred, but I need advice. I was trying to open a case for sockpuppetry, and when I typed in everything and clicked the "Save" button, it created an independent page instead of the investigation page. Can you tell me what I did wrong? Maile66 (talk) 14:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you  want  that  stuff  back  that  I  deleted? I'll userfy  it  for you  if you  like - it  does look  as if you  were doing  some SPI research. Meanwhile I'll  try  to  figure out  what  you  did wrong. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I would greatly appreciate it if you could turn it into a SPI. I've never done one before, and I obviously bungled it.  I went back to the SPI page and started (but stopped) to open one again - but all I see are instructions on how to fill out the various sections, and then the "Save" bottom at the bottom.  I must not be understanding something. Maile66 (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I won't  do  that  because I'm  not  familiar with  case history. However, here is the data, and I  suggest  you  simply  try  again. I know it's complicated, but  if you  follow the instgruxtions carefully,  you  should be OK:

Sockmaster: Swingrfd Suspected socks: phill19, Padre Bill, gnickett1, jphill19usa Your comment: See talk page on jphill19 where two other editors in June say this is a sockpuppet of jphill19usa. Several edirs by jphill19 to Quanah Parker, and the first one by swingrfd look like same user. Padre Bill and gnickett1 on Quanah Parker possibly same user.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It finally dawned on me.  My error was in the first step, where you're only supposed to replace the word SOCKMASTER with the user name.  I replaced everything in the little box.  Live and learn.  Thanks for your asst. Maile66 (talk) 15:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Stephanie Payne
Regarding Articles for deletion/Stephanie Payne, what is your rationale for deletion of the article? In the AfD, you simply wrote "The result was delete." without providing any analysis of the !votes and arguments presented in the AfD discussion. Clarification of your rationale for this AfD result would be most helpful. Please respond at the discussion page for the AfD page here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Stephanie Payne. Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000 (talk) 06:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you  for pointing  this out. It  was a genuine error (perhaps I  inadvertantly  clicked on  the wrong  button). The result was of of course a clear keep, and I  will  restore the the article. Thanks again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Mega bangna (Napat we)
FYI, see also commons contribs/uploads: commons:Special:Log/Napat we. --Jeremyb (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion...
Remove? Nah, just moved it to my archives. I don't remove anything from my talkpage.

Anyhow, I still say I disagree with the academic, but I've looked at it again and I can see why you think it's notable. I really don't think so, but it's your call, of course.

The school- because I can't list it under A7, I listed under the "other"- somebody removed it; I would need to take it to AfD, I guess, but I won't bother. --Axel™ (talk) 04:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No need to take anything directly to AfD. If a page doesn't fit a CSD criterion, PROD it - if the PROD is removed by  the creator without  addressing  the issue(s), it  will  then be taken to  AfD. Remember though,  that  schools are rarely  deleted, the usual  practice is to  redirect  non  notable schools (elementary) to  the article about  the school district (USA) or to the locality (rest of the world);  high  schools are almost  always kept.  WP:NPP is a crucial  function  at  Wikipedia, and we need to  get  it  right,  and if you're not  sure, just  pass on  to  the next  new page, someone else will  tag what  you  leave.  These tasks are much easier if you  use the  WP:Twinkle tools. If you  need help  with  anything, don't  hesitate to  ask  me here. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:56, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

True- PROD is also a good alternate. I do use Twinkle, by the way. --Axel™ (talk) 05:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

A deleted article about myself...
Hello,

I recently was sent a link to a wikipedia page that was about me... I am in no way shape or form a significant figure, therefore I shouldn't have any wiki page made about me. Anyways, I saw that you deleted it, and I wanted to know if there was a way to see the page, to make sure that it wasn't harassing me or speaking of me in a negative nature. Also, is there a way to track where the article came from, and who made it? Thank you.

76.92.208.140 (talk) 05:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)Sarah H


 * Hi. I can do  most  of this for you (except release the page to you), but  to  trace it I  need to  know either: the title of the article as it appeared in  Wikipedia (probably your full name), the link you were sent, or the Wikipedia user name of the contributing  editor who  created the article. Note that all  Wikipedia contributors operate either under their IP number, or under a user name - unless they  have registered under their real  name (which is extremely rare), we do  not  have their real  names. Rest  assured however, that if the page has been deleted, only admins (like me) or higher, are able to  view deleted material. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The full name of the article is "Sarah Hennessey". The link that was sent to me was "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Hennessey" I cannot seem to find an IP number on the page. I would like to know the contents of what was said on the page, just to be sure.Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.136.106 (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Sarah. The article was extremely short (five lines) and had absolutely no egregious content - indeed, it spoke of you  as '...one of many talented singers and performers in the school.' A referenced source was provided to this newspaper article. The article was created by  an editor  who  appears to  specialise in performing  arts topics and their other edits are in  order. I  have the page title on  my  watchlist and if it  is recreated I  will  make a decision, notwithstanding  that if your notability is established per WP:BLP, and the content is perfectly neutral,  there is little that can be done towards having it removed,  although you would be able to edit  any content  yourself for accuracy. Kind regards, and season's greetings. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas from London...
...and a very Happy New Year, Kudpung! Thanks so much for all your help this year. All the best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:09, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Me again
The greeting below this one has something wrong on the coding. Any section placed beneath it floats the image out. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fixed. He'd forgotten the closing '|}'  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:57, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Jasig
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Reply
Abhijay Talk?/Deeds  11:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Kudpung, apparently I have requested for an Autopatrolled privilege, and this is still pending. Abhijay Talk?/Deeds  11:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Autopatrolled is not a privilege, but I will take a look. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've had a look. I think  I'll  recuse on  this and let another admin  decide. Be patient -  don't  forget  it's holiday  time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, i'll keep the impatience out of the way... Coz impatience aint such a good thing. But thanks for letting me know anyways.  Abhijay  Talk?/Deeds  12:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC) :)
 * Kudpung, what was it that the IP who just vandalized my talk page just said?
 * Can't tell you, that's why  I've revdel'd it. Nothing  for you  to  worry  about, just  another troll (same one as before). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, no probs. It appears that me, Salvio giuliano are being attacked by a series of IP trolls whom I believe are being used as socks.  Abhijay  Talk?/Deeds  14:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Bad Head
Hi, and thanks for your messages about Bad Head. The first instance I tagged was, as I remember, an incoherent string of words that made no sense at all; that is arguably vandalism, but I don't think it's completely wrong to say it was A1 as well. If I missed an attack page, that's not good at all. :-( I'm really sorry about that! I think I usually get the speedy tags right, especially with attck pages, but I may need to slow down a bit. Thanks again for the heads-up. --bonadea contributions talk 13:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The first instance was a short but coherent sentence ;) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

RE: MAK law firm
Hi there, I wish you could tell me the reasons why you let the article MAK law firm deleted so fast, I don't even have time to defend it. Thanks in advance — Rammaumtalkstalk 14:46, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The reasons why it  was deleted are in the message(s) on your talk  page. If  you believe the article would comply with  our strict policies and criteria for companies, you  can start  a new draft  in  your user space. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see your point -  it  was deleted under multiple criteria. In  fact  I  did not  delete it -  my  recommendfation  was carried out  by  a second administrator. The reasons were:
 * as an article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. See CSD WP:A7.
 * because it only promotes an entity, person or product and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic. See CSD WP:G11.
 * There are a couple more that can be added, such  as WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTABILITY. Companies must  comply  with  our notability  criteria at  WP:ORGKudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
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 * Another bump...yell at me if you're watching.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  11:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

please help me blocking user
Raqib nizami (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)From the beginning i am noticing that there are a group of editors whose goal is to praise Muhammad bin abd al wahhab and removing some undeniable fact from NPOV.First of all he is not a hero or role model of islam.in fact 90% of the muslim(wether Sunni or Shiya) population hate him and criticize his works.According to thousands books of historic references and thousands Fatwa written by Eminent Muslim Scholars,Shaikhul-Ulama,,Shaikhul-hadith,Shaikhul-Islam,Mujaddids "Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab" is a Kafir(disbeliever),Murtad(apostate),kharji(those who went out),Dajjali fitna.Not only that but also he is considered by non Muslim Scholars,writers, historians to be the birth place of all controversial matter(now a days referred to Islam because of him) extremist,terrorist,creed of evil etc.Such a controversial person need proper introduction which should be full of ref and from NPOV.but most of the editors are trying to ignore the fact and by baseless editing they are trying to portrait him as a Revival/Great scholar/reformer of Islam!They are not able to face the ugly truth because they are trained to deny it.I am giving a proper short intro and assessment part which i established by various sources but not it seems its not quiet enough.please help me by blocking these users-MelbourneStar,ClaretAsh,Khateeb88,Sanoseattle to prevent vandalism.
 * I think it's you that will be blocked because you are edit warring and not adhering to a neutral point of view.Jasper Deng (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And the users you have named are respected and established Wikipedia editors - this looks more like a dispute than a question of blocking vandals. I suggest you head to WP:DRN. → Σ  τ  c . 21:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Need assistance, please
Thank you, -- MST  ☆  R   (Merry Christmas!) 06:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * here to be exact. -- MST  ☆  R   (Merry Christmas!) 06:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung
I have absolutely no idea what to do which is why i sought assistance which Melbourne Star kindly provided. Can this not be done by an admin? Out of curiousity i just had a look at the bio of Deep Purple (Ritchie Blackmore's former band), and noticed yet more examples, User:Lane edits Ritchie Blackmore, French actresses (Renée Adorée) and Tennessee politics (Tennessee House of Representatives), the previous editor, User:Laod edits Ritchie Blackmore, French actresses (Emmanuelle Béart) and Tennessee politics {Bob Corker the same page that two editors i previously listed}. Thats maybe 15 editors i have come across on the same three subjects of Blackmore, French actresses, and Tenneessee politics.GrampsSydney (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Admins can summarily block  a clear, simple case of sockpuppetry that  they  are familiar with, but  this one is more complex and will most probably need a WP:Checkuser investigation. Please go  to  WP:SPI to  file a regular sockpuppet  report and follow the instructions carefully; the SPI  clerk will  then decide what  to  do. If you get  stuck, ask  me again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your assistance.GrampsSydney (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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Re: New Page Patrolling
Thanks for the information. I'll take it into account when I patrol new pages in the future. --AGreenEarth (talk) 14:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested Move result
You recently closed the RM discussion we had on moving Parenthood to Parenthood (1989 film). I appreciate the help, but there is one slight issue. During the discussion it was suggested that we change the proposed name to Parenthood (film) dropping the 1989, since there are no other notable films named Parenthood. I attempted to update the proposed name, but perhaps it didn't occur in time before you closed the discussion. Are you able to make this quick adjustment, or should I start a new discussion? Thanks, GoneIn60 (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears this was resolved by Vegaswikian. GoneIn60 (talk) 18:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Grove Primary
Been there. Done that.Bought the T-Shirt. Unfortunately when others revert such edits there is only one way forward. AFD. Sad but true. So here we are. Fmph (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, such reverting  isn't  quite so  commonplace. Also, to  save all  the unnecessary  bureaucracy, if you  are deeply  concerned that  such  articles must  be deleted, you  could consider PRODiing  them. As most  school  articles are created by WP:SPA anyway, who  never come back, the articles will be procedurally  deleted at  the simple click  of an admin's mouse without  all  the discussion and any  further research  or even needing  to open  the page concerned. . Again, it's quite rare for such  PROD deletions to  be contested, and if they are, a refund is just  as easy, and then the thing  can be sent  to  AfD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I did consider that but felt on reflection that AFD was the simpler course of action. Fmph (talk) 13:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
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