User talk:Kudpung/Archive Dec 2013

Disjunctive sequel
Hello. It is me who posted the article "disjunctive sequel" on wordpress.com I tried repearedly to delete it from there but could not as i did not really like it posted there due to visibility issue.If you allow me i can post it again. I assure you it is my own written article and is safe on my computer.

Thanks,

Shakir Mumtaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakirmwp (talk • contribs) 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry, but that's why unfortunately  you  cannot  use it  here. You  must  release a copyright  to  be able to  use it  on  Wikipedia. There are also  other reasons why  it  does not  comply  with  Wikipedia criteria: It  appears to  be an essay or your your own original research, and it  has no  Reliable sources references to  support its content. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Yorktown High School
Could you look again at the article you previously reviewed? I have made some adjustments to it. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Look OK. It's very short  though. Please carry out the same checks for all  th school  articles you  created recently. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you please also  put the School  project  banner on  the talk  pages. Thanks. Copy  and paste this:




 * Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thailand Conflict?
Hi there Kudpung. Are you currently living in Thailand? I have heard recently about the government conflict in Thailand. Can I know more about what happened in Thailand? I am going to Thailand in December. I wonder if I have to cancel my trip to Thailand if this conflict were to continue. I am going to Bangkok on the end of December. Can I also ask if you are safe in Thailand?  JianhuiMobile talk 13:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have been living  in  Thailand for nearly  15 years. There have been many protests of this kind, and even a military  coup. Apart  from  when the demonstrators squatted the airport  a couple of years ago  and closed it  down for several  days, generally  the lives of tourists and normal  citizens are unaffected.Read the news is the best  thing  to  do, but  remember that even the established press often blows things out of proportion - newspapers are sold on  drama. I  am  leaving  in  a few moments (Its midnight  here) to  drive 500 miles to  Bangkok  for a business meeting in  the morning. There will  be many  police road blocks that  will  slow my  journey  down, but  I'm  not  expecting  anything  more than that. It will  all be over in  a day  or two.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * So we cannot wear red shirts in Thailand because the anti-government supporters will think we are government supporters?  JianhuiMobile talk 04:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Back already  from  a 1,000 mile round trip  to  angkok. part from  a few police checks on  the highways, nothing  else noticed. Red shirt? Crap. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That's all? I heard so much about Thailand in the news, saying about anti-government supporters breaking into the parliament and whatsoever. I actually read the link you gave me. It says about anti-government supporters bombing a bus that have people wearing red shirts and all those. So is it quite safe there?  JianhuiMobile talk 15:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * No more dangerous than than the school shootings that happen in  America. Would you  prefer to  stop  going  to  school? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * No? Why did you ask such questions? That shooting happened in Connecticut and not even in Thailand.  JianhuiMobile talk 16:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Connecticut? I didn't  mention  it -  my  comment  was in  the plural - See this page  to  get  up  to  speed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Lol did not see that at first. :P if there is any latest news about Thailand, please let me know here. By the way, I finally know the feeling of being pestered and harrassed. I got harassed by someone on Wikia...  Jianhui67 talk ★ contribs 17:13, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:BedCollLogo.jpg)
Thanks for uploading File:BedCollLogo.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Werieth (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Pleae check again. AFAICS, thisfile is covered by  an approriate free-use declarationand is currently  in  usde on  a Wikipedia article.  let  me know if this is incorrect<; Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The file was re-added here about 4 hours after I left this message. Werieth (talk) 15:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Good. I have removed the deletion  tag. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Please restore
Please restore Bochukov into my user space. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Request
I think User:173.11.193.217 is almost certainly evading the block you imposed on User:50.8.37.64. Could you please look into this? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 21:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Pretty obvious. Identical  street location. Blocked. Thanks for the heads up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Editor retention
Regarding your comment: Dennis attempted through moral suasion to guide discussion towards improving the general editing atmosphere, rather than discussing how to deal with specific cases. However, even while he was still actively editing, there was an increasing trend of editors coming to comment on particular incidents, and with many of the regulars joining in, there wasn't much anyone could do to keep conversation focused on addressing broader issues. In the end, for better or worse, whoever shows up to discuss topics on any given page will end up talking about whatever interests them. isaacl (talk) 03:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That is true and it's one of the reasons why  those seriously  interested in  the broader issues and doing  something  about  them finally  end up  taking  less interest in  such  projects. We have the same problem at  WT:RfA for years, and when we gave them  a compplete set  of project  pages for discussing  specific issues, either they  couldn't  be bothered to  read all  the stats and other info  we supplied, all  they  did was either complain  about  their own personal  problems, or simply  heckle from  the sidelines with  PA at  those who were working  hard to  keep  the project  pages on  track. They  did this so  successfully  that we finally  gave up after hundreds of hours of hard work. That's Wikilife for you... 04:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)04:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Lee Foss
Hi - I have made an edit to the page you have flagged up for deletion. In response to your comments I have attempted to use more reliable sources, or, if citing an interview, make it clear that it is a quote from the artist.

As for the other sources I have used, I think it is fair to say that they are reliable. Discogs is a legitimate database which lists the discography of any artist (it is the wikipedia of vinyl records). Resident Advisor is the biggest online electronic music magazine in the UK and most of Europe. Each source cited in the article contains reliable information which verifies any point made in the article.

Please could you reconsider your proposal, or advise on any further changes that need to be made.

Thanks

Will — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkathomson (talk • contribs) 13:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of things you can do (click  these blue links): Please see WP:MUSICBIO to  see the minimum  requirements for notability. See WP:RS for what  we consider to  be reliable sources, then ask  at  the Reliable sources/Noticeboard for verification  of your  sources. In  general, listings alone do  not  assert notability, just  as any  bit-part actor will  have an entry  somewhere on  the IMDB. Interviews contain  material  supplied by  the subject, so  they  are not  reliable, pretty  much  in  the same way  as a subject's own web site -  see WP:Primary. Wikipedia is the encylopedia anyone can edit  or for which  anyone can create an article, but  unfortunately, getting  past all  the actual  requirements is  not so easy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, I can give you three examples of Lee meeting the requirements for notability:


 * 1. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network (Lee did performed an essential mix on Radio 1 for Pete Tong - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01np997)
 * 2. Has won or placed in a major music competition. (Placed no. 18 in RA DJ polls, a major / prestigious competition in dance music - http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1252)
 * 3. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. (Review of Argentinian tour - http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=12803)


 * As for the sources used - I have seen plenty of wikipedia pages which contain quotes and citations from interviews with the subject of the article. Surely so long as these are clearly shown to be quotations, and thus presented as non-factual, they can be used? (N.B. In this particular case the information cited is not in any way biased or self-promotion, it is simply stating that Lee met his future DJ/business partner in Ibiza in 2001, a piece of information that, while true, is limited to interviews with the subject.


 * In other areas of the article, where listings are referenced, this is only used to verify the information on the page - i.e Lee released on X label (with a reference to Discogs which clearly states that he has indeed released on label X) or Lee has played at X club (with a reference to Lee's past event listings on Resident Advisor to verify that he has played at X club). I assure you that these references are not to establish notability (as I have mentioned above, he meets at least three of the notability criteria anyway), but instead to provide information to anyone who turns to Wikipedia to find information on Lee.


 * With all this in mind, I think that you should reassess your position with respect to this page. I have read you're essay on deletion and completely understand you're qualms with any second-rate musician / actor attempting to use Wikipedia as a form of self promotion, all I can say is that this is not the case with this particular page - Lee legitimately falls into the category of musicians who are deemed notable enough to have wikipedia pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkathomson (talk • contribs) 13:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * If you  feel  that  you  have adequately  addressed the questions of notability -  and that's what  it's all  about  - you  are perfectly  at  liberty  to  remove the PROD remplate yourself. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your understanding

Please restore
Please restore Bochukov into my user space. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not reformat my talk page comments
You should be aware that [this] is not done. Please refrain from doing this in the future. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * If you have been around since the Eisenhower administration, it's time you  learned some  AGF. There are better ways of pointing  out  innocent  slips of a mouse. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I do assume good faith. I do not think you reformatted my comments for some nefarious reason, you simply did a thing which you should not do and I pointed it out politely. I would expect a reply of "sorry, just an innocent slip of the mouse" instead of accusations and deflections. Please simply accept the reminder and be more careful in the future. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I would expect  a less caustic form of communication -  in  both  your  messages above. I hope you're not  like this with  newbies. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Caustic? In what way? I think you need to step back and read this exchange objectively or ask someone else's opinion. I have been polite and focused on the issue throughout. Your responses have been impolite, bordering on rude, deflections ignoring the issue and attacking the messenger. A more reasonable response to polite criticism is to accept the input graciously and move on. No matter. I see this is leading nowhere, so this will be my last reply. Sincerely, Celestra (talk) 19:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol
"I have asked you to stop patrolling and tagging new pages until you have more experience. Please stop now. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)" I don't understand you said i can't patrol till i get experience! if that is the case why patrolling option becomes available when i visit a page?? is it a bug or what? if experience is MUST then Wikipedia must disable this option till EXPERIENCE is achieved?? secondly — Preceding unsigned comment added by OWAIS NAEEM (talk • contribs) 11:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, in a way it's a bug because we haven't  got around to  devising  a way  to  prevent inexperienced users from  using  the patrolling  interface. Nevertheless, we politely  ask  inexperienced users who  make a lot  of errors to  wait  until they  have read all  the instructions and have demonstrated through  other forms of editing  that  they  have sufficient  knowledge of policies and use of talk  pages. Please see WP:NPP for more information. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * pretty strange however i would request u to kindly show me where or which page among all that i have tagged was incorrect, and i shouldn't have tagged them? i would really appreciate!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OWAIS NAEEM (talk • contribs) 16:44, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I think  you  really  need to  start  by  doing  some normal basic editing, learning  how to  format, and how to  use talk  pages, and how to sign  your  posts, and how to  communicate in  standard English. As I  said, you  are a very  long  way  off being  ready  to  carry  out  maintenance tasks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

thanks for advice however I still don't see any evidence of wrong tagging that i might have done according to your STANDARDS!! anyway cheers..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by OWAIS NAEEM (talk • contribs) 16:58, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

For the record, I showed OWAIS NAEEM several examples of wrong tagging here. Cavarrone 09:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that. Although I  don't  doubt  for a moment  that  has been patrolling  with  the very  best  of intentions, his tagging  falls far below par for an acceptable error rate. May  I  suggest that  if you  have the time, you  take him  through a course at  WP:NPRSCHOOL. I  would do  it  myself, but unfortunately I  don't  have the time. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * He surely needs some guidance, but sadly I have not too much time for doing that (better to say, it would would take away some precious time from my primary interest here, ie creation of new articles/expansion of others). Furthermore, I have zero experience in helding this kind of courses, nor I have too much direct expertise in patrolling (while I am probably a quite experienced editor, I was never really interested in doing it). Cavarrone 10:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Guttman Community College
Another advertising piece full of links to disambiguation pages: Guttman Community College. I guess you want to improve it before I AfD it. 24 hours enough? The Banner talk 13:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Why me? Do it  yourself if you  think  it can be fixed - it's not as if you  don't  know how to. We're all  here to  build an encyclopedia, not  to  demolish it, though I'd love to  take a sledgehammer to some restaurants. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You are one of the lads fighting for every school... The Banner talk 14:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm not. I'm  one of the people fighting  to uphold policies, guidelines, and prcedents, but  I  would be quite happy  to  abide by  any  changes too. Trying  to  force changes through the back door by  wasting  people's time at  AfD is not  the way  to  go, but over the years you've also lost  every  debate you  started or participated in  to  get  them  changed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Rehmat Farrukhabadi
I have removed your PROD on Rehmat Farrukhabadi. He is not a living person, so PROD BLP does not apply. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I missed that. Even I'm not  perfect ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I always thought that you are a perfectionist. So I'm wrong. :/  JianhuiMobile talk 14:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

foreign language
There was a time when we posted translator results to article talk. Do we still do that? Dloh cierekim  15:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * People do, sometimes. An easier way is to specify the language in the notenglish template, e.g., when the expanded template provides a link to a Google translation. JohnCD (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Good heavens, no! Our effort is to  keep  the crap out  of our encyclopedia, not  put  it  in. Translations should always be worked on away  from  mainspace. True translation  is an art and a  talent and even we bilingual professionals have to  work  hard to get it right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Righty-o. i use the translators to get a sense-- I'm good at picking out notability from the chaff-- so I've an idea of what I'm dealing with. Somewhere along the way I apply the not english template, usually after I've decided not to speedy. Dloh cierekim  15:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * @Kudpung: true, but I don't think the suggestion is to leave the foreign-language article in with a machine translation on the talk page. The point of the Google link provided by specifying the language in the notenglish template is that it provides an admin patrolling CSD, or anyone looking at PNT, with a quick way to assess whether the page is something worth translating properly, or just yet another Myspace band or student autobiography to be zapped. JohnCD (talk) 16:02, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I do  the Google translation, which  is usually  more than sufficient  to  get  the general  sense, and I  paste it to  the article's talk  page so  that the deleting  admin  can see what it's all  about. I generally  find that  the majority  of non-English  pages can be tagged for deletion  or PRODed for some reason  or another -  but  always proceed with  caustion ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's what I meant to ask. put a G trans. on talk so others get a gist. I'm also reluctant to single handedly delete and tag instead. I too make too many mistakes. @John, I may not of noticed that feature on the notenglish temp. Dloh cierekim  17:39, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Undated comment
Hi there Kudpung. I noticed you added an undated comment on Voceditenore's talk page. I have dated your comment. I think you wanted to typed 4 tildes but accidentally typed 3 tildes. Thanks.  JianhuiMobile talk 16:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * POssible. Thanks. I'm working  rather quickly  tonight. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. I suggest you to slow down a bit because you are making formatting errors here and there.  JianhuiMobile talk 17:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Not in  places where it  matters. I  even get  my  words mixed up  whan I'm  talking  to  people in RL too. That  comes from  speaking  17  languages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah! My German is not so good, but when I'm tired, it creeps into my writing. Dloh cierekim  17:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In RL I  actually  speak  far  more German  than English. been like that  for 39 years. The last  time I  spoke much  English  was in  August  at  Wikimania in  Hong Kong -  spoke a lot  of other languages there too  though. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I wonder if you speak Chinese. By the way, I can say you are pro. While I was sleeping, you were still working! Don't tell me you don't even sleep...  JianhuiMobile talk 01:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Not much. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Not much to sleeping or speaking Chinese?  JianhuiMobile talk 02:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Both. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback (G13 nom bot)
Hasteur (talk) 18:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Assistance Please.
Hello Kudpung,

Ok, so I read through the commentary on the revisions for our Guttman Community College Wiki article and would like some elaboration on a couple of points. For starters, I am unsure how one can say there is "too much detail" when that is the primary goal of an encyclopedia. Secondly, the whole brochure layout, if that is what one wants to call it, is the same for the other community colleges in our area and that is how we put together the outline for this page. If you have any 'constructive criticism' I feel that maybe a little more useful than what it is you stated. When it comes to a neutral point of view, any pointers on which portions should be reevaluated would help us in revamping this article. Also there is this whole disambiguation of links, is this pertaining to the hyperlinks within the page? I was assuming this, so I have been going through my sandbox trying to see what doesn't need to be hyper-linked. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing back from you.

Rah neezy (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please see the article talk page -  I  have put  a list  of  sample Community  College articles on  it  for you  to  review. Secondly, please see the article's editing  history  to  review the changes made by , a highly  experienced user. She has spent  at  least  the past  hour  on  it, and when she's finished you'll see what  such  an article should look  like. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your quick response and I will be looking at the mentioned sections. 128.228.42.252 (talk) 19:25, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

New pages patrol
I apologize in advance for any offense, but your recent edits at this page look like vandalism to me - in fact, I was about to revert them as such when I noticed that you were not only an administrator but in fact one whom I had contacted before. Could you please explain these edits? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 02:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * difs? Dloh cierekim  02:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I reverted. I think someone needs to get more rest. Dloh cierekim  02:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That wasn't  vandalism. It  was quite deliberate. I  removed something  about  non-English  language pages because it  partly duplicates a dedicated section  lower down. Experience has shown that  patrollers thought  that  was all  there was about  non-English  pages and they  were not  looking  further down.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ud? Toddst1 (talk) 02:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thus reverted Dlohcierkim] Dloh cierekim  02:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * 'Update'. Yes, I know it's not a perfect  ES, but  as nobody  else generally  takes care of that  page which I mostly  wrote, I  didn't  think it  would matter. I'll  be more explicit in future. It's hardly  likely  that  I  would ever do  any  vandalism, but  I  am  perfectly  capable of some rare errors or slips of a mouse. Thanks nevertheless everyone for proving  that  we do have some vigilant  editors. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. I was concerned that my edit summaries were sometimes cryptic, but... :) Toddst1 (talk) 03:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * My edits have been restored by  . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Overenthusiastic people at WP:AfC/G13 backlog
Hi Kudpung, can I make a polite suggestion?

I am clear on wikipedia that we should assume good faith and judge people on their ideas and actions, not by the manner in which they epxress them. I am assuming this is because we are a worldwide community, and as a Brit living in Germany, rubbing shoulders with native English speakers from all over I am well aware that ideas of civility differ not just from country to country, region to region or class to class, but from person to person.

That said, I feel you can be at the abrasive end of civil sometimes, very close to the border with uncivil. I know from personal experience that people taking you the wrong way can rankle, and it is hard to swallow your pride and be diplomatic. My own mode of expression can cause problems- I see it as "Grown up, mature, polite and measured", but others can see it as "stuck up, pompous". But a little bit of tact can go a long way to keeping people on side, and keep discussions shorter and more productive. Blaming people for reacting badly, while simultaneously expecting them to cut you slack over your over-directness is a little hypocritical don't you think?

I've stopped short of offering an apology on belalf of the project to the user you offended, because I feel you wouldn't appreciate that. Rankersbo (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * How interesting - I  spent  the first  18  years of my  adult life as a Brit  living  in  Germany.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Well I tried. :( Rankersbo (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice try, but what  you  have effectively  achieved is to lose AfC of one admin  who  was doing  a huge amount  of work  in  the background to improve it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That's a big shame, although given I was so polite, considerate and compassionate in my approach to you above, there is only one person to blame for this situation, and it isn't me. I actually am aware of all the effort you are putting in, but that doesn't excuse the sort of rudeness you generally dish out. We all have to live by the same standards on wikipedia, we don't get cut extra slack because we're doing great work in front of or behind the scenes.


 * This is all because of an incident you caused. Let's be clear on this. It wasn't the fact you raised an issue, because the issue you rasied was perfectly valid. It was the way you raised it. This is the consequense of your actions, I am just the mechanism by which the consequence is returning to you.


 * It does seems strange that a person who is so excessively free with doling out criticism is so thin skinned when criticism is returned in such a gentle form. I feel sad about the loss to AfC, if indeed you are genuine about what you say. But putting up with the abrasiveness with which you conduct yourself on there is too big a price to pay for the assistance we recieve. Rankersbo (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * , I don't agree that your comment here was all that "polite, considerate and compassionate" as you claim. I don't know who this person is that you claim Kudpung has offended, and I don't know why you wouldn't offer an apology on behalf of the project if you truly believe the core issue was a simple language barrier or difference in culture.  I have never seen Kudpung not appreciate an attempt to clarify or adjust the tone of a comment where tone or clarity weren't of a nature in which another user could understand.  I would be really downtrodden to lose either of you from any part of the project because I know you both do a great deal of things albeit mostly behind the scenes.  Anyways, I hope can both shake hands and shake this off.  Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Essay Writing
Hey there, I am quite perplexed to see the Essay Writing page deleted. I even checked the plagiarism of it on Copyscape and it was 6%. The deletion message says the content I uploaded was similar to that of a pre-existing Essay page. What can I do in order to make sure my Essay Writing page stays? I have spent 2 sleepless nights over its content writing so kindly assist me out as it matters a lot to me.

Regards, Peyton Sawyer a.k.a Sawpey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawpey (talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, erring on  the side of caution, I  simply  WP:PRODed the article. Another patroller decided that  was not  enough and tagged it  for WP:Speedy deletion. As a consequence, based on  those two  opinions of experienced editors, the article was deleted. I  appreciate that  you  possible spent  a lot  of time researching  and writing  it, but  does also read like WP:Original research. This happens unfortunately  to  many  articles that  were created with  the best  of intentions, but  our policies and guidelines have to be strict. What  I  can suggest is that  I  offer to  WP:Userfy the deleted page to  your sandbox where you  may  wish to  work  on  it with  a view to  incorporating some of the content  into  the parent  article at  Essay. You will  need to  incorporate inline sources (see: WP:CITE) into  the text and add the page numbers of the referenced works. Let  me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Tool access
In case you are not already aware of this, Scottywong is in the process of migrating his user search tools from Toolserver over to the Wikimedia Tool Labs. This AfD search tool is the first one to be completed. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 18:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. 's tools are some of the most useful  on  Wikipedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

over zealous tagging
We are all suffering from burnout Dloh cierekim  19:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Debasish Chatterjee
Thanks for mentioning it. You see, this person does have 20+ peer-reviewed articles and I provided a link to his publications.--Mishae (talk) 03:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove the privilege of mine being an auto reviewer? Was it just because of this tiny article?--Mishae (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I was just about  to  post  this to  your  talk  page when I  saw you  ad posted here. So here is the explanation:

Hi. I'm just letting you know that I have removed the WP:Autopatrolled right from your account. This does not reflect upon the good faith you invest in expanding the encyclopedia, but there are too many issues concerning your created articles. As a consequence I feel they should still be subject to review by New Page Patrollers. For a few examples, please see: If you believe I have made an error, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:06, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * October 2013 Shirley Gordon (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Gordon)
 * October 2013 Ling Chen (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ling Chen)
 * October 2013 Jill Lindner (Expired PROD, concern was: Notability. All sources for the article are the subject himself.
 * October 2013 Gary Alan Nelson (Expired PROD, concern was: Fails WP:BASIC, sourced only to subject's own website.
 * October 2013 Steve Nicklas (Expired PROD, concern was: WP:BASIC, only given source is a WP:PRIMARY blog interview.
 * September 2013  Debra Schaumberg (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject
 * September 2013 Victor Zaragoza (Expired PROD, concern was: Does not meet notability guidelines.
 * September 2013 Juan Ramírez (soldier) (Expired PROD, concern was: Does not meet notability guidelines.
 * and the article above that I have tagged today.
 * Well, O.K. I remember it now. What shall I do to return it back? Either way, whenever you will feel that I am ready, fill free to return it. I wasn't using it that much (and I didn't abuse it either), but if I will feel an urge for it, I will let you know... As you have seen, I used only on user talkpages.--Mishae (talk) 04:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, you didn't use it at all; autopatrolled isn't something you use. All it does is take your newly-created articles out of the new page patrollers' queue. Not having it just means that your new article will be available for patrollers to look at, that's all. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 04:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it too much - Autopatrolled is not an award of merit or anything like that, it's just a practical thing concerning New Page Patrol. In fact, not having it will enable you to receive more feedback about your arcticles with less risk of them being deleted before you can do something  about it. The main thing is to provide plenty of reliable sources with your  creations that clearly assert notability. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. And with some recent articles I did provided some sources. Problem is, (I do agree on a not notable soldier and photographers), but with the last one I gave it to to find an h-index right before you removed the privilege. The problem with me is that I have too much fields that are of my interest... Like, for example physicians are my weakness. I currently started writing on some chess players and so far I am doing good. Yes, you will say that I provide only one reference as you can see here, but the problem is is that there is a lot of score board sites and might be only one bio site.--Mishae (talk) 04:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

KCK Blue Devils
Hello,

Thanks for the notification. I was just creating the page to get it started. I know that it doesn't have much, as I do not know much about the athletic teams there, and their website doesn't have much on it either. (What you see on the page is basically what they a have on their page.) Plus, I didn't take the time to research the team, just went off of their website. Would you want to give a couple of ideas to add to the page? I'll continue to work on it. Thanks, again! Corkythehornetfan (talk) 04:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Generally only major professional league teams are considered notable. College teams must (individually) have sufficiently excelled to meet the notability criteria at WP:GNG and WP:ORG and the article must be referenced to the reliable independent sources. Hope this helps. If I am wrong about the status of this team, please let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Corkythehornetfan (talk) 04:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Please restore (Why are you ignoring my request?)
Please restore Bochukov into my user space. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:26, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. I apologise for missing  your  request. Unfortunately it's a dab page with  only  one entry  that  has no  links to  anywhere and therefore has no  use on  Wikipedia. I see no  compelling  reason  to  restore it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * To exercise a courtesy by addressing request into my user space should be a reason compelling enough among colleagues. At least you could ask why I would want it, and I would answer that the inline comments of the page you deleted indicate how this page may be expanded. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * So? Staszek Lem (talk) 19:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite to the contrary, I  feel  it  can certainly  be expected, whether here on  Wikipedia or in  real life, for someone asking  for something to  offer an explanation why  they  want  it. At least it's usual and polite in  the English  speaking  world. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, on Wikipedia it is quite obvious, isn't it? We are working on encyclopedia, right? Good bye. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Geez Lem, you're acting like this over the phrase "Bochukov feminine: Bochukova (Бочуков, Бочукова) is a Bulgarian-language surname."? As Kudpung noted, that was not worth undeleting whatsoever, and you're smart enough to havenever requested the undeletion/userfication of something that pathetically minor and easily re-creatable by yourself.  Wow, we're a commununity working on an encyclopedia - remember that  ES  &#38;L  11:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, It is extremely sad the admin community has such a demeaning attitude to a colleague. I explained my reason. Can you read carefully please what other person wrote before throwing shit onto him? Staszek Lem (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Fortunately it took me less than two weeks to find an admin who is not on a power trip. This is why I am "acting over", if some curiosity left in you. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:54, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Power trip"? In understand now why nobody responds to your requests - you just insult them.  Nobody was demeaning to you ... and even if they were, the wise person doesn't respond in kind  ES  &#38;L  17:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not insulting you: I am accusing you of abuse of power. I am not a random vandal that you made me post six requests in three different places until someone bothered to assume that I am not a complete idiot. I don't think you can create a friendful "commununity working on an encyclopedia" if you make a person kiss your ass six times before addressing an extremely simple request. Anyway, good thing to know who is who; I will not bother you two with requests any more.  Staszek Lem (talk) 18:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, you're misreading, AND insulting. Nobody has attacked you.  Nobody is abusing power, but accusing people of abusing it when they clearly are not is an insult.  Nobody was asking you to kiss anyone's ass anywhere.  All that anyone has ever said is (and it's been said in a clear and friendly manner) is that what was in the deleted article was not worth undeleting due to its limited content.  It was that simple, and no assult or insult to you.  ES  &#38;L  12:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Is there any chance that you two could just... you know... stop? Staszek Lem has the page undeleted. Neither of you are likely to change the other's opinion. If you carry on, you're both likely to end up having things backfire on yourselves, so just - walk away. Worm TT( talk ) 12:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

My apologies
I apologize for editing your post on Beeblebrox's talk page, as I did not mean to cause offense to you. I have thus reverted my edit as well as written a note to myself there. Epicgenius (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Because you love horrible school-articles...
... so here is one for you to work on: PLK Vicwood KT Chong Sixth Form College. Have fun. ow, I have already halved the article. The Banner talk 20:23, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't  actually  'love' working  on  horrible school articles -  that  last  thing  I  like doing  on  Wikipedia is cleaning  up  after lazy  editors., and I  don't  even do  it  systematically; However, I  fully  agree that  any  content that is not  approved by  our guideliens, especially  those at  WP:WPSCH/AG should be removed. Thank  you  for your work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Old Xaverians
Hi Kudpung. I saw you putting the linkrot tag to that article. I have fixed some of the bare URLs. Unfortunately, I cannot fix pdf links bare URLs using Reflinks.  Jianhui67 talk ★ contribs 11:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

AfC discussion.
You wanted to get in contact with me, and a good friend of both of us reminded me that I needed to get back in contact. Give a hollar when you might be interested in having a sit down about AfC. Hasteur (talk) 02:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've been meaning to  have a chat about  an idea I  have. Any  time you're ready  really. Note however that  my  enthusiasm  for AfC has waned considerably  since a couple of editors chose to  attack me over my  work  there for no  reason  at  all. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding Deletion of Indian Army Fans page
Hello, Dear Kudpung,I was working on a wikipedia page named "Indian Army Fans" yesterday,even before I complete editing,formatting & adding content to the page,I got a notice that page is promotional and not an encyclopadic article and will be removed.Before I could do anything it got removed.

Indian Army Fans is a community located in India spreaded in different cities.It started as a facebook page to show patriotism towards nation,but afterwards as numbers of members started increasing it came into existence in real life.Not only in virtual but Indian Army Fans also started working in Real world.
 * 1) What is Indian Army Fans?

We make people aware about Indian Armed forces,sacrifice of soldiers who laid down their lives for them,motivate youth to join Indian Defence.Keep them aware about latest news and current affairs of Indian Armed Force to increase their interest in Indian defence.


 * 1) How : ?

As I mentioned Indian Army Fans is a patriotic community,all of our work is related patriotism or similar.The name itself contains "Indian Army".We work for rights of soldiers of Indian Armed Forces,We support them through several charity events,stage events,public events & fight for their rights through street protests.

Every year Kargil Vijay Divas,(26th July) is celebrated in different cities by our volunteers to pay a tribute to Martyrs & Soldiers of Kargil war.

In 2012 a small run was organized by Indian Army Fans on occasion of Kargil Vijay Diwas in Delhi,named "Run Delhi Run" & a tree plantation ceremony was also held.

After the Mumbai Attacks in 2008,Indian Army Fans also started organizing events across the country to pay tribute to the martyrs and victims of 26/11 attacks through candle light marches & vigils.

From Last two years Indian Army Fans has also started doing charity events such as warm cloth distribution in winters,giving food to the needy ones & also providing school kits to kids lives in orphanage.

This year Indian Army Fans has also started organizing bike rides in honor of Soldiers. First bike expedition took place this year on occasion of Kargil Vijay Diwas,the riders of Indian Army Fans ridden from Delhi to Kargil(#Where the Indo-Pak Kargil War took place in 1999) to pay a tribute to warriors.

Second tour was organized from Delhi To Wagah border.

Currently Third tour is being organized and will take place at the end of the month where our riders will ride from Delhi on 25th december to Kutch,Gujarat.covering many places of Rajasthan including Longewala(#Battle of Longewala,1971 Indo-Pak War).

All of our events mostly dedicated to Indian Armed Forces,and on regular bases across the country in different cities.

The core team of our community is based in Delhi,India other teams based in Jaipur,Banglore,Hyderabad,Pune,Chandigarh,Ahmedabad & Also volunteers across in almost each major city of India.

We operate India's largest Defence fan Page "Indian Army Fans".Our posts are mostly related Defence,Current affairs,Political & non political issues to keep citizen of India aware about everything,make them taking interest in such things.

We keep them updated about Wars of India,Soldiers & their sacrifices & Indian Defence through regular posting.


 * 1) Why "Indian Army Fans" wants to be on wikipedia :

We want to take "Indian Army Fans" initiative to each citizen of India,day by day people's interest in Nation's defence is decreasing.They lack of proper knowledge and information regarding Indian Armed Forces.Through our community we want to spread that knowledge.

Indian Army Fans is unique community of its kind,there is no community in India which operates at this large scale.but considering population of India its too small.We want to reach as many as people we can,make them aware about Indian Army Fans,what it is,why it is. How they can also be a part of community and show their dedication towards India & Armed forces.

As Indian Army Fans is fastest growing & largest defence page on facebook many other people have created pages/groups of same name & some also got fooled by imposters.It's needed to be stopped.We want to create an authenticated source,where people can differentiate Original from fake.

I'm attaching some of our event photo albums which are posted on facebook,kindly refer to that.

26/11 Tribute : Chandigarh : Agra : Ahmedabad : Surat : Delhi

26/7 Kargil Vijay Diwas Celebration : Mumbai : Chandigarh : Banglore : Hyderabad : Jaipur

Bike Expedition : Delhi to Kargil : Ride to Wagah border : Third Bike Ride Teaser

Charity Events : Diwali Celebration : Donate a smile : Vriddhashram (Old age home) : Blood Donation Camp

Honring Sacrifice : Visit to Village of Warrior : Saluting Sacrifice : Inquilaab Zindabaad : Saluting Freedom Fighters : Honor the Fallen : Salute a Martyr

Street Protest   : Team protesting at India Gate : Hunger strike


 * "various news agencies have covered our events and published."  Dhruvil Dave.   User_talk:Dhruveel  08:44, 12 December 2013‎ (UTC).
 * Hi Kudpung, A7 was prolly a goof, if these non-facebook sources pass scrutiny. As for the G11, suggest pushing to AfC for improvement, rather than deletion before the editor has a chance to explain.
 * p.s. Special:Contributions/Dhruveel is empty now that you deleted the page... where can I see the full edit-history, do you know?  Danke. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The cached version is available for a while here. But really, apart from a list of its 20 non-notable "team members", the entire text consisted of
 * Indian Army Fans is a community organization founded in 2009.Its purpose is to show gratitude towards Indian Armed Forces.From the early beginning Indian Army Fans team has organized various events like Candle Marches,Kargil Vijay Diwas celebration,Charity Events across the country in different cities.Today Indian Army Fans is India's biggest page on facebook dedicated to proud Indian Armed Forces
 * In my view, that is not a credible claim to notability and a likely candidate for A7. There has been press coverage of a bike ride they organized (listed in the deleted article) + coverage of a race they organized . However, neither of the sources supports the claim that it "is India's biggest page on facebook dedicated to proud Indian Armed Forces". The "sources" listed at User_talk:Vanjagenije are all to Facebook pages and the creator specifically states that the reason they want to be on Wikipedia is to publicize their group. Voceditenore (talk) 15:27, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Botak Philippines
Hi Kudpung,

I would like to have the page Botak Philippines put back, I have found a reference http://www.philstar.com/business-life/281478/power-second-wind for the said page for Botak Philippines. I hope this will be enough to reinstate the deleted page else can you help me what else do I need to research so that the page would be reinstated?

Sincerely, Tim — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimC19 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Tim. The article consisted of exactly  one short  sentence. I  have userfied it  it User:TimC19/Botak Philippines but  adding  one more reference will  certainly  not  assert sufficient  notability  for this article to  be moved to  mainspace. Please see criteria at  WP:GNG and WP:ORG, and then perhaps WP:RS. 5sorry  about  the acronyms but  it  will  all  become apparent  when you  click  on  them). Please remember to sign  your  posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Nottingham High School
I've done a bit of sorting- but intend to leave it now- give me a shout if you need further culling help. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:35, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The right stuff?
I am cautiously beginning to consider whether I want to apply for, or ask nomination for, the role of admin. Could you review my editing history and advise me please? At this point I am not asking for a nomination from you, because I want to read up on the expectations, level of activity, etc of the role. Regards --Greenmaven (talk) 23:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. In my opinion you are the right  kind  of person  the community  needs as an admin. However, there are some gaps that  need to  filled in  your work  to  be able to demonstrate your knowledge of policies, admin, and maintenance areas. The community also likes to  see regular editing  patterns, so having  only  worked for the last  two  months this year  will  probably  atract  some criticism. I  would suggest  spacing  your edits out  such  as for example around 500 a month over the next  6 months. Please take a look  at  WP:Advice for RfA candidates  and check  out my  criteria at  User:Kudpung/RfA criteria (don't  be put  off, they  are among  the most  strict  but  I  do  apply  swings and roundabout) then let  me know how you  feel. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will do more reading. I will see whether I can edit on a more regular pattern. Somewhere it has been suggested that one should take 6 months to prepare oneself. Regards. --Greenmaven (talk) 12:48, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Deauxma
I would like to recover the work I did on Deauxma's article. Could you userfy it for me please? Rebecca1990 (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. This is a controversial article that has been deleted several  times by community  consensus and locked so  that  it  can only  be recreated in  mainspace by  an admin. If  you  work  on  it  in  your  userspace you  will  need to  ask  an admin  to  review it  and move it  to  mainbspace when it's ready  for inclusion. It  will  shortly  be available at  User:Rebecca1990/Deauxma. Remember that  there will  be a lot  of eyes on  this so  it  won't  be permitted to  stay  there for very  long. It  will  also  be immediately  deleted if it  is recreated in  mainspace under another name. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:18, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

List of social networking websites
Why did you fully-protected for 1 year again? Because Mark change to semi-protection then you change back to 1 year full-protection? 12:16, 14 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaster0425 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi. A look at the article history, it's protection  log, an its talk  page and archives will  answer your questions quicker and better than  I  can here. I'm also  fully  convinced that  Mark  mae a totally  unintentional  error, and if he thought  I  had made an error he would almost  certainly  have mentioned it  to me himself. He hasn't. PLease sign  you  posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

You've Got Mail
-- — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 18:33, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Rollback
That was a fair decision and almost exactly what I had anticipated. Seems like a good editor; they just need a little longer track record first, as I said to them there. Thank you. :) Acalamari 11:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination Help
Could you please tell me the criteria when my request will not be too early for nomination to become a reviewer.It will help me to stay focused and complete my goal as soon as possible.Thanks.--Param Mudgal (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The fundamental criterion  is that  we are here first  and foremost  to  build an encyclopedia; it  is generally  expected that  people who want to  police it  should also  have demonstrated that  they  know how to produce it. These things come from  experience, 100 mainspace edits in  5 months doesn't  give us anything  to  judge.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You can give a chance so that i can help wikipedia. If i don't work properly you can take this permission back from me and i will not regret that.You only told me before that 48 mainspace edits don't help in any way and so i worked hard and completed 100 edits in a very short span of time.But you know better of wikipedia and you take right decision. I totally accept your decision. I will keep on working hard for Wikipedia.Thanks for the help.--Param Mudgal (talk) 15:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.

Messages
You need to close your message boxes with "|}" ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:40, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Goofed again ! I'll be down in  Krabi working  through  the hols :(   Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:03, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * We used to dream of being down in down in Krabi working through the hols... etc ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hot
Not so much cold as hot down here, 40°C today. But thank you for the holiday wishes. I hope you enjoy the festive season as well. :) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:45, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!! Yep it's fairly cold here but it would be boring if it was sticky and hot all year around right?♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I want to see snow but haven't got that chance to.. :( It's forever 23-33 degrees here...  JianhuiMobile talk 15:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

NPP deletions.
You left some messages on my talk page saying that you deleted some articles that I tagged for CSD, but tagged them wrong. I was under the impression that with an article with multiple issues, choosing one of the options is acceptable. I can't look the the history of these articles anymore because that's an administrator only function, but I'm sure my tags were acceptable.

As with the BLPPROD article (Alexis Spight), I'm very hesitant to tag for CSD when the article at least tries to assert notability. It didn't even cross my mind to search for a blatant copyvio from last.fm. I'm not very bold, so I appreciate you finding the correct tags and deleting for the right criteria.

In my mind if I can bring the article to administrator attention, with a tag that is at least somewhat applicable (and hopefully not completely wrong), I have done it correctly. Bluefist <sup style="color:DarkSlateGray;"> talk 16:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Bluefist. You're actually doing  quite a good job with  your  vandalism  patrolling, but  your  NPP  work  is a bit  below par and your accuracy  rate needs improving. There were some others but  I only  picked out the most  serious errors because these are ones you  can learn from. Tagging  articles does not  bring  them to  admin  attention -  only  the CSD tags do that  because admins have to  decide whether to delete them or not. However, many  admins trust  our patrollers and don't  do  further checks so  it's important  to get  it  right. Choosing  the correct CSD criterion is important so  that  the creator gets the right  message, we also  need it  for the gathering  of stats -  we often need to  know how many  of each  kind  of article has been deleted, so  we need to get  it  right. Patrolling  new pages is awfully  complex and it's surprising  that  the task  doesn't  need a special  user right  such  as Reviewer and Rollbacker, but  maybe one day  that  will  come. It's fair to  assume that  most  articles about  companies and software are spam  or copyvios, so  they  do  need some in-depth  investigation  before tagging  or simply reviewing  as OK. Biographies are also  very  delicate and must make credible claims of importance and be adequately  supported by  reliable sources. I  know it's complicated, but  please read WP:NPP  again, WP:DELETION, and WP:BLPPROD and WP:PROD. The bottom line is the golden rule: if you  are not  sure, leave it  for another patroller and move on  to  the next  new article. Happy holidays! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:21, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, I try to leave articles alone that I have no idea how to deal with. Even after 2 1/2 years of NPP/Recent Changes I still hesitate to do anything wrong.  I also regularly leave for months at a time, then come back and help for a while, then leave again.  I'm going to review the pages to linked and try to implement them asap.  Bluefist <sup style="color:DarkSlateGray;"> talk  02:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

From a very cold, windy, and wet London
St. Paul's Cathedral at Christmas...

Merry Christmas Kudpung, and a very happy 2014!

Voceditenore (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

since hong kong and august
havent seemed to really catchup

from hot australia - have a good christmas anyways and a busy new year... satusuro 03:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

haha - remembering the heat of Darwin, Northern Territory  and of Yogyakarta, Indonesia - here is wishing you either (a) a good high powered genset if you have irregular power source  (b) good ac with clean filters  (c)  good deep swimming pool  (d) all three... best wishes to you and your family satusuro 04:21, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * We have a 5.5 kW diesel gen set but  now the rainy  season  is over it  won't  be used much  until it  starts again  in  May. AC has clean filters, but  being  a fresh  air freak I  usually  have all  the windows in  my  office open and use a fan. The pool  is 1.4m at  the deep  end and full  of kids from  the neighbourhood ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I just spent the last year in Hong Kong, wonderful city, I reccomend it to anyone...Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice.  JianhuiMobile talk 06:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidays!
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Non-admin endorsements
Hello Kudpung, I was just looking through WP:PERM/C and seen your endorsement edit, and wanted to point out, shouldn't Armbrust's Non-Admin decisions also be endorsed ? Mlpearc ( open channel ) 03:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * There's a big difference between editors like you  and  who  are highly  experienced, been doing  it  for years and know what  they  are doing, and over-zealous newbies who  think  it's cool  to  tinker with  adminy stuff. But  I  didn't  wish  to  go  into  too  much  detail  there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanx for the reply, I was just checking, the request I linked to seemed a little out of the normal non-admin "WP:FFU or request reason needed" statement. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 03:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
OSborn arfcontribs. 05:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

New RFC on Article Incubator
Hi,

I have drafted a new RFC on the article incubator at User:TheOriginalSoni/sandbox3. I plan to be removing the nowikis and starting the RFC at the VPP soon (ideally in a couple of days). Could you please look through it, and make any changes as you see fit? I do not want this RFC to go through any hiccups like the last one did.

Thanks and cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Will do :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I already have a draft  for this lurking  on  my  computer, but  there's no  reason  why  you  shouldn't  go  ahead. I would be inclined to keep this very  simple (see below). There are currently only 10 articles in  the Incubator, so  it's almost  certain  to  be a deprecated place. It's never been used much anyway. You should locate the RfC at Article Incubator/RfC to  close down Incubator.

Proposal: Close down the Incubator, move the existing 10 articles to  the Draft  mainspace, and mark theIncubator as historical.

Rationale: The roll-out of the new Draft mainspace, an area where pages are not indexed,  where AfC submissions will be processed, rescued articles can be parked, and for users'  use for their drafts, makes the Incubator essentially redundant.

Note: This RfA is not for discussing any other alternatives. For other suggestions, please start a separate RfC.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:00, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. I didnt know there were only a handful of articles there. There are about 15 or so articles there. I've changed the RFC abd located it as you advised. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:24, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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G13 postponed submissions
Dear Kudpung: I noticed your post about the Article Incubator. There is another group of pages that may make a good test of the Draft namespace: the postponed G13s. There are about 2,200 of them listed at the link above, all abandoned by their original submitters, all in Afc at least one year, yet all selected as improvable by sn Afc reviewer. It's unlikely that the five or six people who have done the postponing will have time to fix them all up in the six months allotted, so maybe moving them into the draft space would get others interested. It may be a vain hope though, considering what has happened to the Article Incubator. What do you think? Notice that I managed to refrain from commenting about Afc for almost a full 24 hours, while my electricity was out because of an ice storm. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The template actually applies a hidden category of Category:AfC postponed G13, so this is a easier way to identify the list than the "What Links here" as what links here also includes mentions of the template. Hasteur (talk) 13:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Since it's been suggested to rehab the deferred submissions in Draft space, I've modified the template's remit to be more widely cast (WP/WT/Draft/Draft Talk) so that the drafts won't loose the category when they get moved out of Wikipedia talk space. Hasteur (talk) 13:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It occurred to me that since these are abandoned, there is no particular reason to have them going through the Afc process, since there are no new editors to be helping. It was just a thought, and also it seems that there are editors who are in a hurry to have some drafts in the Draft space.  I don't know if others will like this idea or not.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Just my thought, but the Draft space does not mandate that a AfC submission header be attached to a page (especially since Article Incubator is going to be folded in). Obviously we'd need to get a wider consensus (and get several points clarified) but I would be fine with striping the AfC banners.  We would need to get clarification if CSD:G13 is applicable to all pages in the draft space, or only those that have at least one AfC template attached to it.  I'm leaning to the first interpertation as that will make the "Notification" process much easier to sort through (as I can reach into the replication database for that data instead of having to crawl the AfC submissions).  Hasteur (talk) 15:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Will moving the articles to a new space count as a edit, effecting the G13 eligibility? If the draft pages are going to be from several sources, I think that some kind of recognition of their source needs to be visible.  The Afc decline templates and comments let everyone know what's been going on with the article.  To be tidier, though, they could be moved to the talk page, and replaced with a small explanatory banner such as "This draft was submitted to "Articles for creation", but has not been edited by the last submitter for more than six months. (See the talk page for the review history.)  It has been selected for its potential by the AfC reviewers, and is awaiting a willing editor." &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Moving counts as an edit, so it would reset the clock on these pages eligibility (which might not be a bad thing), though from all the reluctance (and outright FUD flinging) I'm getting at Wikipedia talk:Drafts, I'm now very disinclined to let any of the suggested postponements out to their ill trained hands. Perhaps you'd like to explain why G13 is useful in light of WP:NOTWEBHOST? Hasteur (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if the use of G13 in the new Draft space is being questioned, that makes it all the more important that the G13 backlog is gone before any serious changes happen at Afc. As for the rescued ones, I don't think it matters so much, because they are the best 5%, and many will be improved and moved to mainspace, especially if Wikiproject banners are placed on the talk pages.  If there are some languishing after 6 months, and the bot finds them again, they will be comparatively few in numbers.  If consensus goes against automated deletion, they can either be "rescued" again or - how about this - automatically moved to mainspace to sink or swim.  That might encourage some last minute improving. Sorry this was written earlier and I didn't notice the edit conflict. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:28, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * , I would welcome your  comments on  my  sub section  below. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

My thoughts
Before you read what I  have to  say  below, please don't  get  me wrong, I  am  neither an inclusionist, exclusionist, deletionist, or any other kind of -ist.

I've spent an hour  or so  going  randomly  through  the 2,000 or so  'rescued' G13s and what  I  deduce is:

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Partly AfC declined by inexperienced reviewers and/or deletionists.
 * Articles, particularly BLPs, that are in  no  worse condition  than tens of 1,000s  that  are already in  mainspace but probably tagged with  BLP refimprove - another cat  that  will  slumber forever.
 * The creators are mainly SPA and have no intention  of returning.
 * Partly rescued from G13 through over-zealous inclusionism or anticipation  that  someone is actually  going  to  work  on  these.
 * Partly made worse by the G13 re-reviwevers who could already have taken 3 minutes to add refs, do  it  properly (no  naked URLs, add stub templates, etc), and move them  to  mainspace (E.g. see.
 * Creating a new backlog from an old one is counter productive - who do we imagine is actually going to work on these? Note that  we have backlogs at  AfC, there are serious backlogs and poor patrolling  at  NPP where newly  moved drafts will  appear, backlogs at  PROD & BLPPROD which  again, like G13 are more likely  to  be procedurally  deleted by  admins whose job  it  is not  to  spend time improving  them themselves for lazy  editors, and it's questionable whether all  the maintenance tagged articles do  in  fact  have editors who  slog  through  all  those cats.
 * We have 20 million  registered accounts, apparently  something  like 50,000 'active' editors (dubious), and it's my  guess that  dedicated 'maintenance' editors are not  more than a few dozen, and,  for example, of the 1,600 admins, only  about  30 or so  are truly  active.


 * Hello Kudpung. Yes, there are many sloppily rescued articles added to the list by me, with bare URLs, that need more work.  You must be a fast worker, because getting one of these articles in shape take me more like an hour.  I add the reference URLs because finding at least four solid refs is my threshold for postponing, and once I've found them I may as well add them.  The bot is deleting so fast, that for every one I stop to spend an hour on, up to 50 more are deleted before I (and Rankersbo, who's been helping, DGG, who has been working on certain categories, and occasionally others) can look at them.  The pressure of this makes it impossible for me to do a good job of of editing the articles.  My plan (not knowing that the new draft space would be disrupting the process) was to wait until the backlog was gone, and then go back and start processing them properly before the six months was up.  A few of mine have already been picked up by DGG. My reason for suggesting moving these over is that it's the only group of submissions that really have no submitters wanting to edit them, and the people in favour of the new space seem to want some articles to get started on.  I can still follow my plan of fixing them up, no matter where they are.  If any other editors pitch in, that will be a bonus.  If the whole of Afc ends up being moved into the draft space, the two batches will end up back together again. However, it was just a suggestion, and I don't really care if they are moved or not. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:09, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * , bots cannot delete articles. You  are probably  confusing  this with 's bot  that  lists submissions older than 6 months for G13. It's my  guess however, that  like at  BLPPROD and PROD, many  admins procedurally  delete them  without  doing  any  further research and indeed, they  are not  obliged to. Not everyone reviews them  again  as thoroughly  as you,, and I  might, but  any  loss of potential worthwhile articles through  this is, IMO, a minor collateral damage. What  I  generally  assume us to  be aiming  at  is a clean Wikipedia, and and knowledgeable (if not regular)  content  contributors. If SPA can't  be bothered to  come back  and see what's happened to  their submissions, that's their problem. However, I  think there should be a clear note on the Wizard that  submitters should check  back and not automaticlly  assume that  thier submissions will  be accepted without any  further ado. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I am aware that the bot only nominates the submissions, and should have used more accurate language. The result is the same.  The submissions disappear.  Some of these submissions took many hours to create, and it's a lot easier to fix their deficiencies than to find and research 5,000 or so new topics from scratch.  I promise that I will start fixing the articles as soon as the G13 backlog date is down to six months (we're at twelve months now), whether they are still in Afc or have been moved somewhere else. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * was not really incorrect when she said that the bot deletes AfCs . Most of the admins doing the deleting do so without looking--let alone checking . Some of them perhaps really wanted to delete everything in the backlog and it seems like they might be trying trying to do just that.  designed his bot on the assumption admins would be careful, which was rather naïve considering comments during the prior discussion. I think we should never have departed from the rule that for deletions, two humans are needed. At present I have checked submission almost to the end of December, going date by date ; Anne is using a different but overlapping sequence going letter by letter. Few others seem to be involved in any substantial way besides the two of us. Considering the extremely important nature of some of the AfCs  being up for deletion, and   the total irrelevance of some of the reasons for declining them, the best that can be hoped for is a rough screening. (see below) By the end of January she and I should be at the 6 month point, and what will happen then depends on any delay built into the bo: for safety, i intend to try to reach a five-month old submission. I tried almost singlehanded to force some consideration on the BLPProds, and for most subjects, I succeeded. One or two people can do a lot here if they are determined enough.  Like Anne, I don't really care where they end up--wherever they are, I will work on what needs work the most.  DGG ( talk ) 08:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have a considerably different take on this from Kudpung. When I first started going through the old AfCs, I tried to immediately improve every one I thought improvable. I soon realized that this impossible if i was one of the 2 or 3 peoplemnaking this screening, as I can not personally rewrite more than a few articles a day, and the process of deletion was going much too fast for this. I therefore adopted in November a different method: A When I encounter an article that is essentially ready for mainspace even though it has some defects, I simply accept it; I have since early November done 56 that I think satisfactory & do not think necessary to revisit,  BIf it is important enough and in my fields of competence and  I can see how to make changes and have the resources available, I do so & then accept it; I have now done 88 since early November.  For another  46 since then I have accepted them though I think they definitely need further improvement--they are good enough to have the standard  50% chance of passing AfD, but not the 98% chance I expect from my own work.  C If I cannot make the changes now, but realistically hope that I or someone will in the future, & that if made they will have over a 505% chance of passing AfD, I postpone them with a comment that I think it certainly or probably notable, and usually giving some indication of what is needed; since November are now 287 in that group. D for those I think need further consideration, but where I am not prepared now to say that they should be able to make it, I just postpone. I dod not keep   track of these--there probably are several hundred. E While screening, if I encounter one that absolutely must be deleted as soon as possible, i list it for CSD; or if it is >6 months and enough in my field that my opinion that it won;t make it might be helpful, I also list it for CsD -- that makes about 150.
 * At the beginning of the screen we had about 30,000 old AfCs--I think the rule of thumb in a screen is to get the top 10% pulled out for further work. We can therefore expect to select about 3,000 to be looked at again. That matches Kudpung's figure, and is I think the desirable number. He seems to interpret it as so high a number that he despairs of dealing with them. I compare it with the 30,000 we started with and see it as a very good first step, doing just what it ought to. I personally could probably rewrite at least 1,000 articles a year if I did nothing else here, but this would include new submissions. I expect going forward I will be able to work on my own marked backlog of about 400 that I have marked at the rate of maybe 5 or 6  a week-- it will take about a year or two to finish if nobody else helps. I think it reasonable to spend a year or two dealing with such an immense long standing set of problems. As we keep saying but do not seem to believe, there is no deadline.
 * there are several sets of particular problems I have noticed. First, the AfCs that need merges. I've postponed deletion on these without really looking if they have been done. In spot-checking, only about 1/10 have been in fact merged, and in half of the others, it certainly should be. Second, the ones that have been  entered despite declines. About half of these are OK, and the corresponding AfCs should have been redirected to the talk pages or removed long ago. The other half are definitely not OK & I've been using various deletion processes as appropriate.  Third, the ones accepted that should not have been, and many of which are every bit as  bad as our worst ordinary articles. I've been using AfD,--I am   reluctant to use  prod, because some  other editor has apparently thought otherwise.
 * Going forward, how can we cut down the number of do-overs? The  way is to work from both ends:  At the low end, decline the ones that will absolutely never make articles, while telling the contributors in no uncertain terms not to try to resubmit them; at the high end, accepting the ones that are basically OK, leaving improvement to the ordinary WP processes. Articles do get improved over time--for every one of us prepared to do comprehensive rewriting, there are 10 or 20 people prepared to do small fixes.  And in the middle, guiding and watching over the improvements.  DGG ( talk ) 05:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Aside from the perennial problem of needing more participants so that every article is checked, I think the process is going well. I think DGG is underestimating the size of the original backlog; on September 16 I took the time to write down the number in the G13 category and it was 52,896.  It was larger before that, because that wasn't the first day I worked on it.  So over 30,000 have been deleted, postponed, edited or resubmitted so far. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 06:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * About active admins: THIS statistics page shows about 65 admins with over 1,000 edits in September, the last time the data was collected. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Anyone whose edit count is much above 500 per month is probably making a lot of one-click or semi-automated edits; that also includes 'gnome' admins who work through the deletion cats, editors who revert vandalism, and editors who clean up typos and punctuation using AWB. An edit count however, is often a poor criterion for activity - compare with this editor who  spends about 8 hours a day online, offline, and in RL, on  Wikipedia and Wikipedia related projects. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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Deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maukerja
Hi Kudpung,

First, I'm new to wikepedia and obviously alot of rules are new to me (still in the learning curve)

I would like to know why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maukerja was deleted. The reason I created this website is to tell about Maukerja bio, such as who own the website, what is this website, where is this website from and when the website established. It's not my intention to promote this website commercially in wikepedia.

Hope to get your reply soon.

Thank you Bobby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbycsl (talk • contribs) 08:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. The article was written in  a totally  advertoral  tone 'offering  services'. Wikipedia articles must  be completely  neutral, and may  not  be created by  people who  have a close connection  with  the subject. It  is also  unlikkely  that Maukerja will  meet our criteria for inclusion  any  time soon. Please see WP:GNG and WP:ORG, and WP:NOTYELLOW  to  find out why. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

International School of Engineering
You gave advice on how to fix this article, but from their wording in contesting speedy deletion it occurs to me that the user name probably represents the institution. Since they are working on the article, I didn't block them, but instead instructed them to change their user name (and informed them that group accounts are not permitted, in case that is the situation). It's not an obviously organizational user name and I'm thinking that they should have an opportunity to demonstrate their intent isn't purely promotional before being prevented by the username block. I'm headed to bed myself and the red light here indicates you have already retired for the night, but when you return you should of course feel free to block them anyway. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:10, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I would leave it  at  that  and let it  go. It's not  a if they  are likely  to  contribute anything  else to  Wikipedia.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:20, 24 December 2013 (UTC)s


 * I had the same thought but was thinking of it as a WP:ROPE situation of the nice kind - after all we all start out as single-issue editors, and we could always use more contributors to engineering articles. However I see he did get blocked by someone else, so now I'm seeing what I can do with the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Bast wishes to you and yours, and thanks for your greeting. Not as cold here as you might have feared, a relatively balmy 8°C or so, though gales causing some disruption. What a cosmopolitan world this is becoming, this morning you in Thailand and me in England advising Japanese/Brazilian teenagers, tonight we are invited to supper by a Swedish/Greek couple, later we take home for a visit two grand-daughters, one born in Canada and one half-Chinese... Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:43, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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MoneyLIFE
I was still editing and you deleted the page, already! Would request for recreation. This is a Indian business magazine. It would have been really good if you could have helped me build the article rather than deleting it. Nimitsaxsena (talk) 12:14, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Deleted primarily as a copyright  violation,  the subject is also  most  unlikely  to  comply  with  our criteria for inclusion per our general notability  guidelines. There is a limit to  how much  help  we can offer other than informing  nerw editors of what  can and cannot  be included in  the encyclopedia. Above all, this is the English language Wikipedia, and it  is probably fair to  say  that  most of the  regular editors here who take care of the quality  of content have very little knowledge of Indian  topics. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:25, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Brazil Bennett
this person is a person of relevance and notoriety. With all respect, I am appalled that she was not already on here. My choice of doing an article on this person is because we personally witnessed her foundation help fourteen families this year, who had lost everything and had nothing. Her charity bought furniture, clothes, appliances, and help to grant the wish of one sick child. I do not know this person personally and read your rules to be a neutral source. I offered factual information but this person is already all over the internet and radio, which is why I am SHOCKED that the page would be up for deletion. Navigating through your site is a little difficult, so maybe I did not do something correctly. I uploaded photos of this person's company on the red carpet. I have three. One was with singer Neyo, one was with rapper French Montana, and the other was on the red carpet at the 2013 B.E.T. awards. I can delete the page myself, if you would like. But I'm still not sure I understand how someone as relevant as this person would not be honored on your site.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritynews101 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. The article was deleted following a review by  a new page patroller and a further check  by  the deleting  administrator. Unfortunately, the subject, Brazil Bennett, did not  meet with  Wikipedia criteria for notability. Notability  is not  shared or inherited from  the people she shares a birthday  with, and being  an organ donor or CEO  of several  companies does not  assert notability without  being  supported by  several, in-depth, third part  sources that  should be found in  articles about  her  in  established media. The article was also  written in  a familiar, not  encyclopedic tone which  included much  unsourced speculation. Finally, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not  a role of honour - it  is not  a proiilege to  have an article here, it's just  a normal, verifiable, feature of encyclopedic importance.


 * Please note also that  you  may  not  edit the Wikipedia as a group  of people, or as representing  a company  or organisation. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

About Neenah Paper Article
Hi there. Firstly, thank you for reviewing my page. I want to argue that the company is a listed company and a FSC certified company with numerous recent news on the Internet, which make it a significant influencer in the stock market. Many of the articles in Wikipedia have mentioned this company such as Invitations to the first inauguration of Barack Obama. Also, major financial reporting websites such as Yahoo Finance, Google Finance, etc.all have independent webpages for this company. So I think it should not be deleted and I will go on working on the article by adding more recent news that will help Wiki include in a useful company in its files. Thanks and Merry Christmas!MoistureG (talk) 14:23, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Guy Allen
Please help me better understand your reverting the edit on Guy Allen you recently made. I am trying hard to add notariety to my school articles to prevent them from being redirected. How can someone not be notable (as a professional) after achieving tremendous success in their field. What better sources do I need? Merry Christmas, by that way. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 16:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Having notable  alumni  does not  add to  the notability  of school -  notability  is not  inherited. Most  articles about  High  Schools are generally  kept  anyway, while most  primary (elementary)  and middle schools are redirected to  the article about  their school  district. I  can't  find a Wikipedia article about  a Guy Allenso  that's why  he can't  be included per the guideline at  WP:LISTPEOPLE - notability  has to satisfy  Wikipedia criteria. If  you  have sufficient  sources that  clearly  establish  notability  for this person, you  might  like to  write the Wikipedia article about  him. Season's greetings, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings
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User re-added content
User:DJ Buddy Holly (DJ Devious) has immediately re-uploaded the content. I think that you're just going to have to block and salt the userspace, unfortunately. I've left a warning, but considering that he (or someone) has tried to re-add the information in about five (and probably more) different versions, I doubt that they'll pay attention to that. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   00:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * He's changed it, but I honestly think he should be blocked. I know we should assume good faith, but this guy has been doing this since about 2009. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   00:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I think  I've deleted and salted all  the creations, including  one that  was under a current  AfD (which  you  may  wish  to  close for us). The new content  on  their user page is fairly  innocuous, but it's on  my  wl. Thanks for keeping  an eye on  his edits too. You  can block  him yourself if you  like -  I'll  support the block  if it  comes to  blows. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:23, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I want to, but on one of the SPI pages User:Amatulic is endorsing blocking all and leaving the main account open for editing on Wikipedia. I have to admit that I'm lobbying pretty hard for a complete block, as I don't think he has any true intention of editing in a beneficial manner. His history seems to consist of a flurry of articles, a year break, then another flurry of articles under a whole new slew of usernames. I'm not even sure that this guy will stop if we block this account. I think he'll just be back in a year to post another round. In any case, I think that if I were to do this now, it would be immediately undone because I launched the SPI. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   00:29, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't "endorsing" I was suggesting. FWIW. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't realise there is an SPI. Which  one is it? can you  give me a link? Perhaps i  can chime in  there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:35, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: The AfD has been closed by someone, and I've left  a comment  at  the SPI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

The Way I Look At Wikipedia Now.
In one sense, I am slightly NOW turned off from Wikipedia. Not because my NON-BIAS article was deleted, but because of the explanation and "allegation that the article was familiar". I do not know my subject. On the other had, these patrollers must have a pretty tough job. Either way, the purpose of the site is to share valuable, validate info. I remember a long time ago reading an article on here that said a well known talk show host was born a man and is now a woman. (I wonder how that one slipped through the cracks). I wonder do the patrollers verify the approved articles, as well as verify the deleted one's. Just my thoughts. :)

Either way, like Kudpung said, being rude on here, or in life for that matter, gets you nowhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritynews101 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Celebritynews101 03:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritynews101 (talk • contribs)

Flamel Technologies
I removed the A7 CSD tag from Flamel Technologies but tagged it for notability and refimprove. The two editors are new and I don't want to scare them off so I held off sending it to AFD. See Talk:Flamel Technologies for details. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  23:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * These articles all have the hallmarks of paid advocacy. I  have summarily  deleted one that  was a blatant  recreation  of an article deleted at  AfD, AfD'd another, PRODed a couple more, and if the PRODs get  removed, I'll  either summarily  delete them  per A7 or send them  to  AfD depending  on  the mood I'm  in ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought at first. In fact, I was all set to open an WP:SPI when I found the first 4-5 cooperating editors (it's over 20 now), but it looks like this may be a university-related project by editors who misunderstand what Wikipedia is all about.  Please see User:Davidwr/Tsinghua and its talk page for more information.
 * Several other editors are involved in trying to figure out what to do with this group.
 * It is possible that this is deliberate abuse of Wikipedia, but I'm prepared to assume good faith for another week or two.
 * I would welcome your input on this matter. Please post your comments on User talk:Davidwr/Tsinghua.
 * davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  00:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultralife Corporation
If "are under investigation" you mean someplace other than User:Davidwr/Tsinghua, please let me know so that efforts can be combined. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  03:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That's exactly where I  mean. I've just  gone through all  the oages and the creators -  tool  me two precious hours this morning, and I  now have to  go  to  work. I've left  some  ideas on  your project  page talk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input. I replied with a counterproposal in the spirit of WP:AGF.  It took me far longer than 2 hours to gather all of this together.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  03:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I know how time consuming things can be - I  used to  spend probably  two  whole days on one single SPI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)