User talk:Kudpung/Archive Oct 2012

Re: 'jeks'
Oh come now, I wasn't necessarily referring to you. Unless, you're admitting that you are a among "those that try to scare away content editors", in which case you should resign immediately. -- Scorpion 0422  19:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * 98% was a pretty all-encompassing  statement so  I naturally assumed that it  was an oblique reference to  my work. What you are probably not aware of however, is that I'm in around only 4% who badger, cajole, coax, and 'threaten', and encourage young enthusiastic users into doing things right. After all, they may even be our next generation of admins! For your information  though, and to get you up to date, you  may wish to  read this page -  all  of it, including  the most recent  postings. You'll realise that it's not  easy when people won't read the instructions and policies first. Although it's sometimes rather exasperating for all  concerneactually d, most  older and established editors (and admins)  are here to  help, and ironically, most new editors are scared away by other new editors ;)  Put  this way, just for a fictional example, and as a pure hypothesis: if you  were a 63 year  old professor of English  and linguistics, a 7-year editor, creator of over 60 perfect, full-sized articles, and wrote an article like this almost single-handedly, and put it in  for GA, then you  get  a 14-year  old, non-native speaker pick up the review, who then tells you bluntly it's full of grammatical errors, and gives you 24 hours to address them - how would you react? I'd be interested to know how you would handle a situation like that.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got to give you credit, you handled my taunting far better than most admins could. Now that I look back, perhaps I was a little harsh with my original wording. I was frustrated, because I've seen situations where a promising new(ish) editor gets too passionate in the defense of his work, gets a 3RR block, loses interest, then disappears.
 * In response to your off-topic hypothetical situation, something similar has happened to me (okay, I'm not a 63 year old professor, but bear with me), where an article I had up for GA was reviewed by a guy who had one of those babel templates on his userpage, and it said he was EN-2. His review was full of mistakes. I think I handled the situation well (I asked an experienced reviewer to give a second opinion). A bit off topic, but unfortunately, too many users would bite the reviewer (I've encountered one user whose page advertises that he's wikipedia's foremost generator of featured content, and he had no problem insulting or scaring away reviewers) but I've always tried to treat them with respect and avoid bashing them (well, publicly anyway), partially because I used to be heavily involved in the FL process. I guess that's why I took excpetion to what I interpreted as you being very heavy handed to a user who seemed genuinely interested in generating featured content. -- Scorpion 0422  01:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It all boils down to the fact that maintenance areas are a magnet to younger, new, and inexperienced users. There are obvious reasons for this but I won't go into detail now. Another problem is that with  its huge population  of near-native speakers (but of a very different version of English), the Indian  sub-continent also provides a vast number of new, and enthusiastic users who also get involved in these areas and often clambour for user rights. If you  do  some checking  you'd be surprised how many  of them are students and even 'trainers' at  the CVUA for example,  and reviewers at  GA and FA. However, this also  applies of course to  near-native speakers from other regions. I went through sheer hell on my first couple of GAs because that was in the days when the reviews were done by  extremely experienced,  mature editors, one of whom  is now a member of Arbcom. So  you can probably  understand why I take some exception  at what  goes on here with the  'pass mine, and I'll  pass yours'  that really  does go on here sometimes (without  pointing  a finger at  anyone in  particular). This is probably  the reason  why  I  rarely  bother now to  submit  my  articles, all  of which  are of a very  high  standard, to  GA or FA. For the same reason, I  don't bother doing any reviews either although I am  fully capable of it, so you  see how these things hurt the system.  Keep up your good work, and as I say to  everyone: don't hesitate to come to  my talk  page if ever you need help or advice;  and if you're sure of your stuff, don't  hesitate either to  share your knowledge with  others too. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

UTRS Account Request
I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

Language code:繁體中文
Hi there. I saw that you removed the CSD tag I added to this article with the edit summary "Rm db-nocontext to replace with correct CSD criteria". I've been doing some NPP the past few days, and have found a handful of articles in other languages. Is there a CSD tag for foreign language articles that are not on other wikis, or a different procedure for dealing with them? I'd rather not mistag any more articles if I can avoid it. Thanks. —Torchiest talkedits 22:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * There is a very precise procedure for dealing with non English articles. It is detailed on this page (most  of which  I  co-rewrote a year or so ago) - it's an essential tutorial for page patrolling although  the new NewPagesFeed still does not address many  of the cases it should. If it hasn't been deleted yet you  can check  out the new CSD  tag I have added to the article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, I should've thought to find such a page on my own. Thanks for the link and the information! —Torchiest talkedits 23:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Page Patrolling
Thanks for the heads up, and sorry about the oversight. I've reinstated the initial BLPPROD. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

NPP mentoring
I've filled in the questionnaire on your mentoring page. Alanl (talk) 11:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll be looking into it within the next 24 hours. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Archworlds.com
Hi, I am jaykissan.i have noticed you have deleted a page archworlds.com. but the page have its important as its related to new company established in New Delhi,India on 2012. You can give a direction to correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaykissan (talk • contribs) 13:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the page was deleted per A7: Article about a website, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. This organisation or website is very new and has not demonstrated through  articles dedicated to it in the press that  it meets our Wikipedia notability guidelines. You  can read about the requirements on  the page at  at  Notability. If  it can meet those guidelines, and reliable sources independent  3rd party  sources can be found, there may  be a chance that it  can be included in  the encyclopedia, but  you  should create the article in  your  user space first where you  can ask for it be reviewed by  an established editor before moving  it to  mainspace. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

Begin Again (Taylor Swift song)
Please unlock Begin Again as posting correct information is not what you claimed here: Protected Begin Again (Taylor Swift song): Edit warring / Content dispute (‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 12:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (expires 12:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC) it is unfair of you and I will be reporting you for this as well that I have given 9 sources that contradict the information posted on the page and I AM THE ONE edit warring/content disputing, there is none just 2 editors who do not want to realize that they were proven wrong. That is not fair to me and you had no right to do that. Please see the pages talk page to see my 9 sources.


 * With only 39 edits to  Wikipedia, 21 of which  are to  various talk  pages, I suggest you  might wish to  familiarise yourself with  some of our policies. Please see also  the comments on  your talk  page at: User talk:184.58.18.72. You may also  find this page intertesting.  And again, please sign  your posts. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:12, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

You are the second person to insult me and the third that will not listen and now all of Wikipedia will pay for it thank you you have given me some great stuff to help shut this fake encyclopedia down. Oh and if you block me for this so you know that I was given legal advice to change my IP address. Wikipedia does tons of illegal stuff and has given more evidence to my case to get it shut down. Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.58.18.72 (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Blended learning
Please excuse my bluntness but I have criticised your nomination of this article for deletion at the AFD and ARS. Your comments would be appreciated as it may be that I have missed some aspect of your thinking or am just being too harsh. But the matter currently seems to be symptomatic of a systemic failure; the process just isn't working as it is supposed to and so we need to rethink it. I know that you have similar views about RfA but the basic process of article improvement is even more fundamental and, if you don't get this, then who will? Warden (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Warden, you are welcome to  use normal process to begin a reform of any Wikipedia systems; I  may  even support you. You  are well aware of my thoughts on RfA and those of many others (including the Founder) who share them. Wile I might excuse your bluntness, I have a very low perception of disingenuous breaches of policy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon?
Could you revdelete from this revision to this revision? For some reason my revdel button isn't working. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. That is a huge range of edits and not all from  one contributor. Having looked, I'm  not  sure that  they need to  be revdel'd, but  I  could have missed something. Could you ask for a second opinion, please? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The copyvio plot section is there for each edit, and is major enough that it should be revdeleted. I could post to MRGs page, but she won't be on for another 10 hours or so. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * She's on, apparently. Pinged her — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's only a copyvio, why not just use the restore button to revert the whole thing to the last  stable version  before the nonsense started? The diffs have been around for a couple of months already  and the  article is already  cached by  Google so there's probably no urgency or need to wake Maggie. However, there are a couple of admins online who also have a clue on this sort of thing. Try user talk:JamesBWatson -  I  think he's around, and it's only  8:47 pm in  in  New York, so also try user talk:DGG,  he's usually at his computer when he's at home.  Link them to this discussion because I think there's possibly more to this article than meets the eye, and it may need several pairs of eyes on it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A new plot section was provided (the original edition didn't have a plot) so the only thing needed was the rev delete. Luckily she was online (I noticed her posting on her talk page). Hopefully my tools don't act up again. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. :) What more do you think there is in the article than meets the eye? Do you think it's a backwards copy or something? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:24, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't  have time to  check it  out more, but  it seems to  be resolved now. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Thanks. :) Sorry I didn't realize you guys were talking here earlier! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Userspace Page Protection Request
Hey Kudpung, can you protect a few pages in my userspace for me please? -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * My answer to this would be 'Not enough recent vandalism to justify protection'(but I have not checked any sub-pages you  might  have). Any warnings you receive might or might not be justified - you would have to take this up with those editors. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You were offline, so I asked User:Ponyo (he protected them all). I do that with all my userspace pages because I have been vandalized enough that it was just best to indef semi-protect everything except my talk page (and that I feel like having indef semi-protected all the time anymore).  It takes away the added stress of constantly reverted pages people shouldn't be editing in the first place and having to revert vandalism from people (always vandals and trolls) I have pissed off doing my "job".  But it all worked out in the end. :)  Hope you have a Good Evening. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 05:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 23:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:CVUA
Thank you for being infinitely more eloquent and patient in your explanations to them than I am able to be. I deleted four different attempts at explaining what you managed to do much more articulately... mostly because all of mine had some sarcastic slant starting with "However have we managed to fight vandalism for the last half-decade without a bunch of high school students to instruct us on how to do it correctly???" I did want to point out that I wasn't encouraging them to continue templating anyone that looks even vaguely like they might want to revert vandalism, but rather suggesting that they do a narrowly targeted approach toward leaving a helpful note to those that appear to need help with that (which is, in my mind, very few people). But as TenOfAllTrades once pointed out, CVUA seems to thrive on taking something that is very easy and pretending it's something hard. About twenty thousand vandalism reverts worth of experience tells me that anyone who requires extensive coaching to revert vandalism probably shouldn't be doing it to begin with. Trusilver 08:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I certainly  agree that  CV is not  rocket  science. It  doesn't  need a PhD to  remove 'penis' (actually  I  think  ClueBot does that  one automatically). Nevertheless there are some subtle vandalims of a kind that  the neither the bots nor the CVUers catch. I catch  them  because I  have a speciall school  article watchlist, and another 10,000+ sensitive pages on  my  wl. What  I  have tried to  do  by  cutting  down CVUA to  the bare essentials was to  give no room  at  all for clerking  and coordination in  order to  clear out  the good faith  but  not  good-skill  work  that  was done by  the former group of editors. The fact  that  Dan and Theo (not  so  much  Theo) are back in  there with  their suggestions does not inspire much  confidence, and in  spite of my  stressing  the word maturity umpteen times, the penny  still  does not  seem  to  have dropped. I'll  still  never understand why  NPP  is open for everyone to  do when CV needs a user right  like Rollback - NPP  needs a near-admin  level  of clue and if  done wrongly, can wreak a lot  more damage than a simple  inaccurate vandal  revert. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Djathinkimacowboy unblock
I have taken the liberty of making an unblock where you were waiting for an answer. I have given my reason here. If you object, then I apologise in advance of receiving your reprimand. I thought it better to get the matter settled rather than leaving it pending, for several reasons. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Well the user has now explicitly accepted your terms anyway. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It was just  waiting on his agreement  to  the 6 months 1R that I had omitted to  state. So no, of course I have no objections whatsoever. Thanks for going  ahead. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Userifying Hotspot Shield
User:Miroslav303 has asked on my talk page that the article Hotspot Shield (which I apparently flagged for speedy and which you deleted) be userfied. I'm not an administrator, so I cannot do that; I presume you could? --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll answer this on  your talk  page to keep  it  in  one place and so  that  the author can see my  response. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Would you be able to translate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Ruiter. Thank you.
Would you be able to translate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Ruiter. Thank you. Planktonium (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks as if it's already in English. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

John de Ruiter article
Sorry, I meant into German.Planktonium (talk) 00:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * My work is here on, and for en.Wiki. Perhaps your request could be better answered by placing it on the de.Wiki. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sock?
I'm inclined to think that this editor, who's first and only edit is to open up an SPI case is a sockpuppet himself. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 01:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it  up  you . You  know how to  add evidence to  SPI cases :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

RFPC edit
Something happened to this edit at RFPC. GB fan 01:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Repaired. Thanks for pointing it out. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:18, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Would you care to explain yourself?
Would you care to explain yourself? What does this mean? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It means what it says. It means that  although  you  rarely  agree with  anything  I  do  here, I value most  of your contributions to  discussions and once thought  that  you  could be a potential  candidate for adminship. Hence I'm  rather surprised to  see you  resorting  to  personal  attacks. I'm  not  complaining, because I, and as many  other admins have reported,  we syops are used to  taking  a lot  of criticism and derision and usually  try  to  respond to  it politely  and with  dignity, or just  not  respond at  all. That  said, I'm never too  embarrassed to  leave any  comments on  my  talk  page, whether they  are appropriate or not. I  leave others to  judge. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The embarrassment is that you've missed the point so completely, so grotesquely, that apparently I need to spoonfeed the most basic concepts to you. What's worse, is that once upon a time I might have imagined that people reading my talkpage (or yours) might have the gumption to point out that hey, you've misunderstood. Seemingly I don't even have that luxury any more. Will I bother with the spoonfeeding? I have no idea. I'm not sure there's any point. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I really can be bothered with spoonfeeding. I've commented at length on the assumptions made about my choice of image and image caption, here. That shouldn't have been necessary.


 * Some items in your response here (and there) puzzle me. You and I may have argued about issues related to school notability, a long time ago; if so I imagine it was more than a year ago and I don't remember anything about it.


 * What else I may "rarely agree with", I have no idea. I have always supported your efforts towards RfA reform, even if, like many others, I never had time to engage in the project itself. As for CVUA, my comments (both publicly and privately) contributed to, and perhaps helped initiate, your efforts to restructure CVUA.


 * You should be careful with comments like the ones you made to me and about Sigma, and I think recent commenters here on your talk page (about what you "want" them to say or do) help illuminate this. No-one should ever be in the least bit interested in "if I do what Kudpung says then Kudpung will nominate me", and in fact anyone who leaped at such things would be a very questionable candidate. News: many of us are prepared to entertain the idea of trying an RfA, but it's not the big deal you want to make it. Connecting it with ridiculous behaviour like that, is only going to shame you and drive legitimate candidates away.


 * Regarding your antics on my talk page, I accept that it may have been a mistake based on a too quick reading. I also see that you view yourself, in your own words, as "a Wikipedia black-belt". But I do suggest that you take a little more time, and thought, over how you direct your karate-kicks. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * So, I've been in the forefront  of RfA reform  for two  years; naturally  this brings me some personal flak, some of which  is downright disingenuous paraphrasing  of my  comments and downright lies. Over the years I  have never nominated a single candidate for RfA and only  ever co-nominated two in  the 200+ I  have participated in,  and all  my  oppose votes have been measure, friendly, and helpful. I  rarely, if ever, rise to  the bait, but in this instance, regarding your 'antics' at  WT:RfA, and your conjecture above I will simply  ask  you  to  refrain  from posting on my talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * With pleasure; now we learn your mettle. Goodbye. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:48, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Douglas Layton
Hi Kudpung

Re your comments 1)      I have eliminated any links to networking sites and apparent disallowed sources per your request such as “bare citations”. Any major claims not substantiated by independent citation have been removed. Most textual links are to internal wiki sites that do not contain significant issues. All multiple citations for the same link have been removed. 2)       Re the issue of WP:bio which states that “For Wikipedia:Notability (people), the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" – that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded” The subject of this page meets all of those criteria. The page is the only one to my knowledge dedicated to Mr. Layton and is not as you have suggested part of a “Link Farm” - if I understand your meaning. Mr. Layton has consistently avoided publicity over the years and others have written about him in sometimes inaccurate and occasionally in a libelous manner – particularly in the Middle East. He is known to virtually tens of thousands of people worldwide for many different things he has done by people who find his life of “interest” and “significance” for one reason or another. This PAGE is merely a statement for the record of who he is and what he has done. Assertion of notability… A)      He is a published author of books recognized by other prominent authors who themselves have wiki pages or who have been NY Times best sellers (see “published works). His books have been recognized by a US Senator and Lt. Governor  as substantially contributing to the effort to achieve democracy in Kurdistan of Iraq

B)       He has testified before the US Senate on the issues of Genocide against the Kurds as an expert on the subject along with other notables (1 of 5 chosen for hearings for the Senate Foreign relations Committee hearings  and he is listed in Library of Congress as such

C)     He has been country director for one of the largest political and health care projects ever run  by the US State Department in Kurdistan of Iraq (HCP)

D)     He has consulted for the Kurdish government and represented them in Washington DC E)       He has directed a large British/Kurdish public/private development partnership in Kurdistan half owned by the Kurdish Government under the auspices of the Prime Minister Nichervan Barzani

F)      He is recognized as a key promoter of religious freedom in Kurdistan of Iraq and has been referenced in numerous articles and magazines worldwide

G)     He is an associate of The Next Century Foundation – a renowned conflict resolution entity in London H)      He served on the faculty of The University of the Presidents (YPO) an organization comprised of some of the top CEOs in the world

… To name a few of his accomplishments and pursuits that makes him a person of interest to potential Wikipedia readers. I have researched many Wiki sites and believe Mr. Layton certainly qualifies as a person of “significance and interest” compared with many others who have been included in Wikipedia 3)      As for the issue of style – Apart from the issue of citation format I am not sure what you mean as I have researched a number of bio sites that seem to have the same style and in fact copied the style from another wiki site to insure the style was consistent with others in Wikipedia. However if style is an issue and I can understand what the issues are clearly I will make any necessary corrections. Thanks again for your input and I hope this serves to resolve the issues you have raised. Randaximus (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:39, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Lino nicolosi
I just tidied this page a bit, added a reference etc., as a base point, even though I feel the subject's notability is at best borderline. Having done that, I was about to move it to a properly-named page with capitalised surname, when I found it is protected. So presumably there is a past here that I was unaware of? Anyway, if that is so, perhaps it is best to take this to a more permanent resolution one way or another by titling it properly and then going via AfD? AllyD (talk) 12:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A page with that  name was deleted in  2006, but the current one is not  protected. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:00, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I was referring to this from the Protection log: "02:28, 4 October 2012 Kudpung (talk | contribs) protected Lino Nicolosi‎ ‎[create=sysop] (indefinite) (Repeatedly recreated) (hist)" AllyD (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed - only  admins can move to  a protected page name. Hoiwever, there is certainly  a history  to  this. The creator has username COI and is spamming  with  all  sorts of stuff for Nicolosi. I would tag it  for deletion  A7. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello!
Here you have left the latest of the series of notices you've been leaving on my talk page, telling me to read WP:ORG. No issues with that, you're right. I could have chosen to csd or prod it. However, as it happens, that simply skipped my mind. I would appreciate if you didn't use such a formal tone since you tag me frequently and I also appreciate your efforts to bring me to terms with the procedure. I happen to like your altruistic notices, but I would like it more if you interact with me in congenial, informal terms as opposed to very rigid-seeming, formal notices. Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 15:03, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Mrt3366. Well,  that's about  nine times in the last  few days I've had to  drop you  a message about  your patrolling. In  fact  if I  were to  use the standard template messages they  would be even less friendly. How about  starting  to  get  your patrolling  right and then I  won't  have to  message you  so  often? I keep  offering  you help  but  you  never ask. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I am wrong, but are you saying that if don't do patrolling exactly the way you want me to do (PROD or CSD the pages you want to delete) then I ought to not patrol pages?? If that is the case then you should know that you cannot force somebody like that. I've already told you that the pages I patrol usually aren't chosen by me. Plus I am new at this. Hence, you cannot or rather, should not put pressure on me this way, this is not helping me. I am freaking out more than anything else. If you feel I didn't tag a page with enough tags, then add tags which you think I've left out, to the page after I'm done and please leave me alone. However, if you sincerely want to help me then first and foremost change your stern and officious tone. You're not anybody's boss here (certainly not mine), some politeness is looked forward to from a senior editor and especially from an administrator. I don't wish to precipitate wisdom-ridden disquisitions on you, but with greater power comes heavier responsibility. If you can accomplish these two then teaching me anything might not seem such an arduous task. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 07:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Plus I have my own issues with the understanding of WP:A7. I've had problems with CSDs in the recent past (I told you) hence I am eschewing CSDing pages for now. Please understand my trepidations with that. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 07:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We're starting off on  the wrong foot here. I  may  be one of the pioneers of research and improvement  of the NPP  system but  I  certainly  do  not seek  to  impose my  own will. My  involvement  with  NPP  and deletion  policies began long  before I  was given the 'powers' of adminship, and being  an admin  has relatively  little to  do  with  it. Fra from  being  stern and officious, the messages you  get  from  me are polite and to  the point, and are very  similar to  the messages other experienced users send to  patrollers who  aren't getting  it  quite right. The reason  you  get  so  many  from  me is because I'm one of the most  active editors  in  this field. Nobody  wants, or can force you  to  to  patrol pages in  any  particular way -  we are all  volunteers here and we do what  we can, when we can,  and we appreciate every  effort to  both give new articles a boost, and to  ensure that  the encylopedia is kept  free of unsuitable new pages. However, Wikipedia has policies and guidelines for all  this and they  were decided not  by  me but  by  community  consensus. Although it  involves a lot  of reading  and practice, our policies for notability  and deletion are clear and sufficiently  unambiguous, so  patrollers should not  find it  too  hard after reading  WP:DELETION and WP:NPP. If however they  do need help, they  are welcome to  go  to this page,  but I must tell you that at the moment I am very busy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is a good example: While patrolling new pages in  the last  hour  or so  I  cam across Asmako,  a page that  you  tagged and reviewed as OK  for insertion. It  is not  even in  English,  so  i  doubt that  you  have followed my  advice and read WP:NPP where there are clear instruction for what  to  do  with  such  articles. There is very  little I can do  to  help you with  with  this, because I  actually  wrote those instructions, and I  can't  think  of a better way  of explaining  them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The page has since been re-tagged by another editor and deleted already  by an admin per CSD G11. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is the pages you keep referring to are very, very confusing and do not help new reviewers like me at all. When I came across Asmako, I couldn't fathom a word of it. The WP:NPP page says use google to translate the page (I don't have good net speed) and actually discourages tagging pages with db-foreign or db-a2. That's what I got from the page. Hence, when I couldn't detect the language, I tagged it with notenglish. Apparently it was not enough. BTW, I didn't pass it for inclusion it was already included. I need some practice okay, be patient. Yes, I could have done more but chose not to. I got the hang of BLPPROD (clear and simple), I think, same way I will get the hang of other rationales for deletion. Don't worry. Right now you're kind of putting unwarranted pressure on me which is not helping, at all rather I am freaking out. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 12:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said before, we all  work on  Wikipedia in  our own time, at our own pace, and not  for some employer who  demands a return for a salary. If  giving you polite advice is to  be construed as pressure, I  don't  really  see how I  can help  you  further. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No. No. You're misinterpreting my words. I am not asking you to stop doing what you're doing, I am simply asking for a slight change in tone (from formal warning to informal/personal advices in congenial terms). "If giving you polite advice is to  be construed as pressure" - it's not construed, it is pressure in shape of polite and reasonable warning (which I don't dislike per se). I just want you to be clear and informal (more congenial). Something like "you could have done this next time keep this in mind.", preferably with a smiley . Am I asking too much?  Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 12:58, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What am I to do about Monsunia, tell me? I would personally prefer if it were deleted but nothing comes to mind. Perhaps no context? Help me. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 13:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Is the nomination of Star Island, Ontario, alright? Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 13:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Monsunia: All geographical locations are generally  kept unless the article is a blatant  hoax. It  helps if the creator provided the geo location. What  you  might  have considered doing  would be to  fix the layout and add at  least  one category. If  you're using  the New Pages Feed, it  would  help  to  leave a friendly  message for the creator on  what  they  can still  do  tp improve the article.


 * Star Island, Ontario: Certainly doesn't  have much  content  or context  yet, but  again, it  looks as if it  might  have been further developed -  as above, geographocal  locations are hardly  toxic, and we have a rule of not  tagging  A1 or A3 too  quickly. I'd be surprised if the creator bothers to  continue working on it now.

The essence of patrolling pages is accuracy  not speed, and remember, you're not  alone out  there, others are patrolling  too, so the very  best  advice is if you  don't  know what  to  do, leave it and move on  to  another page. Go for the low hanging fruit  first and patrol the harder ones when you  have gained more confidence with  the tools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "The essence of patrolling pages is accuracy not speed" - Okay. Exactly yes. This is helping. instead of directing me to pages just tell me what to do. Thanx . I didn't want to upset you with the comment on PamD's talk page. Don't worry, I am learning.  Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 15:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

About Supriya Maskey pagein wikipedia
Dear sir,

Supriya maskey is the recent pageant holder and i have tagged references. You can check out the references on news and websites. I confirm that the description are legitimate and true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binod.hyoju (talk • contribs) 05:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm looking  into  this for you, but  unfortunately, for the moment,  I don't  think  this article meets our criteria. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I asked a colleague, another admin, for his opinion. Please go  to  this page to  read his assessment: User talk:JamesBWatson. The article will probably  be deleted but  please consider writing  more articles about Nepal. Do  remember though, that  they must be well referenced,  and if you  need any  help, don't  hesitate to  ask  me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks James for all your dedication to go through out the article Supriya Maskey. Thats good information to what I have learnt. Please recheck the references that i have coded for reliable source as the news here in nepal is popping out In every papers and websites. You should go to Nepalese council website and also littleworld website to see the reference it it is reliable information or not. I would be happy if you assist me to help me how to ref the sources. Lets do it. Binod Hyoju 02:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC) --Binod Hyoju 02:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Benzband's talk page. --09:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

"CaptainSparklez" and "Jordan Maron"
Hi Kudpung. Looks like we've got a sock-drawer here. I can see who created Jordan Maron but not see who started the 3 x deleted CaptainSparklez. Could you possibly let me know? Thank you!--Shirt58 (talk) 09:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 February 2012 by User:Soccer123321
 * 13 August 2012 by User:AetherBoss
 * 7 October 2012 by User:Christop406


 * Thanks Kudpung. WP:TWINKLE doesn't like me at the moment, so I'm having problems starting the SPI. Might have to do it manually.  Thanks again! --Shirt58 (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Huh? Is there a Twinkle SPI tool? Tell me about  it please! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I wouldn't have a clue if it's part of Twinkle or not. Doing WP:NPP, I  knew that "Banu" is a Turkish female personal name, could recognise Amuteya is a small village in northern Namibia, and that Bojihwayangdong buralsongseonsaeng was a famous bit of literary snark.  As for the scripts however, I just copy and paste them into the .css and .js and whatnot user-thingumies.  The script SPI function that I can see goes: TW -> ARV ->  WP:SPI.  In this particular case, not working for me.  Wouldn't have the foggiest clue why that is.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Couldn't see a script like that  in  your monobook or vector js. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * See: Sockpuppet investigations/This account. It's [[WP:CIR|

"change my username to Mister Stoopid Head" o'clock]] were I am.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Now at Sockpuppet investigations/Soccer123321. Appears to me nothing much to do here about something not particularly important.--Shirt58 (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Sigma's RFA
Greetings Kudpung, The RFA at Requests for adminship/Σ, of which you were co-nominator, has identified a number of community concerns which may rise above the usual level of past unsatisfactory interactions, conflicts and personal dislikes which are typical of RFA in its current format. In particular there are concerns relating to off-wiki vandalism and on-wiki disruption of which you were presumably unaware at the time of identifying Sigma as a suitable Admin. candidate. As prominent and widely respected Administrators your endorsement of RF candidates is highly influential, as can be seen from several of the supporting !votes. Therefore, in view of the level of concern relating to the past activities of the candidate, it is sufficiently important to ask you to consider whether you wish to comment on whether the candidate still has the confidence indicated in your nomination statement. There is a section on the RFA Talk Page. Rgds, Leaky Caldron  11:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I have every confidence that the outcome will be based on consensus. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are fully entitled to decline to answer my specific question but in answering I'd be grateful if you didn't answer a different one. Leaky  Caldron  11:58, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I always answer posts on  my  talk  page. I  have provided what  I  consider to   be an appropriate comment. I  will  also  be raising  a qusry  as to  whether your contacting  the nominators in  this manner is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I withdraw my query above. Your continued support as nominator is a matter entirely for you and your candidate deserves no further negative interventions at his RFA. Leaky  Caldron  15:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Mail
Hestiaea (talk) 13:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Supriya Maskey
Responded at User talk:JamesBWatson. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, thank you for addressing the page I created about Gordon Neufeld, I updated it and wrote the explanation why I think it should stay. Hope everything is right now. Please let me know if I can do more to make it valid. Irenru — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irenru (talk • contribs) 15:53, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you jamesBwatson and Kudpung I have studied your points on editing and will apply for next to come. Thanks for assisting me. I was unaware of references duplication and now i think everything is on the track. I have understood how to code the references. I apologize for the mistakes I did unintentionally.I am now aware of the use of reference properly. I have to research throughly. Getting back to study wiki rules... You guys are great. Thanks once again for showing the dedication to assisting me... --Binod Hyoju 13:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binod.hyoju (talk • contribs)

Sigma, too
Hi friend. You might give Sigma a nudge that this would be a good time to demonstrate maturity with a voluntary withdrawal. Best regards, —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 04:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sure that  the candidate knows what is best for them. I  will be raising  a query  as to  whether you  message above is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Ping!
Kurtis (talk) 07:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Revisiting RfA reform
Hi Kudpung. I was wondering what you thought had changed based on this recent RfA? Before running back to solutions such as minimum requirements or spending another 6-8 months trying to reform RfA, I think it would be better to actually discuss what went wrong (if anything) at the RfA. Perhaps let the dust settle and have some rational, focussed discussion at WT:RfA. Remember, people are allowed to oppose candidates, for whatever reason they wish - even if we feel the candidate is a good one, consensus may not be with us. Worm TT( talk ) 09:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I am totally unconcerned with what the voters think of me or the other nominators. I have no  affinity  with  the candidate, and although I  thought  sincerely and genuinely that  he would make an excellent admin, we can't  win  them all (neither did WereSpielChequers), and I am personally untouched by an eventual  non-promotion. What  concerns me most is the collateral  damage to  the system by  turning  RfAs into  a dramafest. WT:RfA  is almost  certainly  not  the best  place to  discuss reform - that's why  we started RFA2011 as a place to  work  with  a better signal-to-noise ratio. This time round there are some very  clear indications of what  needs to  be changed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

RFA
I suspect your antipathy towards me stems from our first interaction last December when you responded to a civil question with an unnecessarily combative response for which you subsequently sort of recognised that your attitude was inappropriate. Subsequently I have ridiculed some preposterous attempts at RFA reform (which I am entitled to do) which has obviously antagonised you further, culminating in you referring me to WP:AN yesterday. Your fellow nominators were not in the least put out by my approach but you were happy to see me suffer bad faith hazing in which you freely participated. Whatever the reason for your approach, I think you are over-assertive and on occasion aggressive without justification and on that basis it is likely that we will rarely see eye to eye. Where I do agree with you I will say so. As you welcome forthright comments that is what I've given you. Here are more detailed responses to your comments. No obligation to reply, we will not persuade one another.
 * I read it all and in my response probably unfairly focused on the bit I most disagreed with
 * Without prejudice to  the current  RfA, open, honest, robust debate should not  be a licence to  turn an RfA into  a dramfest - agreed. That includes Admins. like you. As I've often said, they should know how to behave better than most
 * If the community insists on  being  allowed to  hand the bit  to  6-month, 6,000-edit candidates, then there is no  justification  whatsoever for dragging  up  dirt that  is older for someone who  has been around longer and contributed a lot  more content. - Where is  the evidence that the community has "insisted" on anything like that? RFA is down to the individual circumstance at the time and if a 6 month editor passes, they pass. If an 18 month editor turns up with "baggage" older than 6 months that is the risk they run. It is at the will of the community, not a select group applying what they think are suitable rules
 * What people do  outside official Wikimedia projects is also no  concern of ours - I disagree and as this seems to have been the turning point for that RFA, nor do a lot of other people. You are of course entitled to you own opinion but not your own facts and the majority are apparently against vandalism - where and when matters less that the fact that it happend at all
 * nominators are under no  obligation whatsoever to  make such research - I have thoughts about this which are inappropriate to discuss during this RFA
 * Candidates should be judged solely on the merits or demerits of their work here - same point as above
 * Cunard's oppose vote was little more than an attack on  the integrity  of the nominators,  much of which was grotesquely  off topic - yes, some of it was off-topic. I believe a majority of it was a convincing & detailed oppose rationale.  Leaky  Caldron  10:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to engage with you on any of this, as again it is inappropriate and you are very, very wrong on several counts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Do you think you could slightly tweak the opening sentence in your message to Boing? The uninformed reader might think that your link to my comments above and the abusive emails, are by association, connected. Despite my own views on the matter I flatly condemn anyone resorting to abuse. rgds. Leaky  Caldron  13:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Bit late for you to  refactor your personal attacks above though, isn't it? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just seen that and I'm grateful. I did not see your message above otherwise I would have replied sooner. Re WP:NPA, I can do this either of 2 ways. As a precursor, I understood that you were used to criticism User_talk:Kudpung. However, as I've exceeded those bounds then (1) I apologise. (2) I will refactor as appropriate if you tell me specifically what you take exception to. Leaky  Caldron  14:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Revert
I reverted you here thinking you mistakenly rolled back his edit. If it was intentional, please let me know.— cyberpower ChatOnline 14:15, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 100% innocent error. Must  have been a slip  of a mouse when working  from my  watchlist. Thanks for catching  it. Apologies all  round. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I really don't care if other editors edit it and it's semi-protected to prevent vandalism. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Need your opinion on two things
Two following two things are vexing me: I leave it entirely up to you. I will not get involved in it any further. Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 15:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I came across a page called Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Infosurv, Inc. and then Articles for deletion/Infosurv what does this mean? I think the page is best where it is, do you? Just checking the strength of my evaluation. You might also like to comment here on my talk, albeit I would like it if you stayed out of the discussion (don't want to be accused of canvassing).
 * 2) Check this instance of section blanking. And do whatever the need dictates. I, for one, think it's a case of WP:POV (but it's based on a cursory glance so it's susceptible to mistakes), now given my terribly slow net connection and relative inexperience, I cannot afford to follow any lengthy dialogue. You're best suited for this, Kudpung.


 * I think  you  handled the Infosuv issue appropriately. With  the section  blanking, you  would have to  check  the references that  were in  the removed content  to  see if the claims are correctly  supported. If  they  are, then without  prejudice to  WP:UNDUE, it  can be restored. Otherwise the removal  was  POV. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, but the contents still haven't been restored. I checked the references and found that they were correctly corroborating the content removed, however the reason I am consulting you is I am iffy about "BLP violation" accusation, myself. Please, at least check the references for me. I would not like to get involved in these reversals. If you check and give me a "proceed ahead" permission, that would be helpful. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 07:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked the sources in the removed section and the section is a BLP violation and a a coatracked attack on one of the show's participants. The sources are a blog, search results from ripoffreport.com (user generated content) and a synthesis of primary sources. I would strongly recommend not restoring it. You can get a second opinion at WP:BLPN, but I'm pretty sure they'll tell you the same thing. In fact, if someone else restores it, you should definitely report this to BLPN. Voceditenore (talk) 09:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

@Voceditenore I somewhat don't understand. The deleted sources are: As you can see there are some sources claiming to be operated by state departments (*.gov). But you focus on only "ripoffreport.com", why? Besides, there is a reason why I said, I am iffy about that accusation. I honestly don't understand why is it that you say they are all "blogs". Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 08:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say they were all blogs. The only thing that can be reliably sourced is that Tassone claims that he has a moving business and also has a comedy act. (refs 1 and 2). Note that ref 2 merely says he's a comedian. It does not remotely verify (a) that his comedy routine utilized the "Scott the Mover" persona or (b) that he used it until his initial appearance on Storage Hunters. The ripoffreport.com is unacceptable per the reason I gave you above. The California documents are inadmissible per WP:BLPPRIMARY. But we shouldn't clog up Kudpung's page with this. If you still have any lingering doubts, I suggest you ask at the WP:BLPN. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "The only thing that can be reliably sourced is that Tassone claims that he has a moving business and also has a comedy act. (refs 1 and 2)" — Would you like to improve the article by re-editing the deleted-section "criticism" then? I am asking you because I am not equipped with the knowledge or the necessary experience that you have. "we shouldn't clog up Kudpung's page with this" — you're probably right. Cheers, nice talking Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 13:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

More
I recently tagged Lookout Farm Crestview Hills, KY, but kept it "unreviewed", I am uncertain whether or not it falls in the category of "Blatant promotion" (G11). I didn't nominate it because once I was told that settlements tend to be notable. Please take a look if you can. Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 07:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
— ΛΧΣ  21™  23:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Reforming RFA
I am almost ready for bed. Just after 12:00am here in California. I am going to have a bite to eat and then go to bed for the evening (took me a while to re-adjust my sleep pattern after a really long night a while back at DR/N) I will return tomorrow to add a few ideas I have to the link you provided.--Amadscientist (talk) 07:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Query at WTT's page
My thoughts are here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=516792853&oldid=516791990. I think something along those lines would begin to improve matters. I have no idea if such has previously been considered and dismissed. With your long experience at RFA reform you will know best. If you see any merit in such then it will need the likes of you to advocate it, not me. If they are not worthy of consideration then all I can do is watch from the sidelines. rgds. Leaky Caldron n
 * Improvement begins with your own participation  at  RfA (which I took  2 hours this morning  to  closely  examine). I'm actually  getting  quite sick  of campaigning for reform  at  RfA - all it bring me is criticism  and PA from  people  who continue their campaign of character assasination behind my  back.  Change is now in  the hands of those who have brought the system to  its knees - as you have inferred, admins are not allowed to  do  anything  about it. Now please refrain from  posting  on  this page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Cunard
Between bludgeoning and quoting me out of context, I'm working if an RfA topic ban is needed at WP:AN. For me, it isn't about the candidate, whom I don't have any feelings for one way or the other, but I have worked very hard to return some normality to RfA since my own, and if we start condoning this kind of disruptive behavior, we can expect more of it. I had contacted an Arb, who did nothing, and complained in a number of forums, to no result, so I"m rather disappointed in the community response in this. I had voted so felt I couldn't be as aggressive as the situation warranted.  I don't want to see this kind of behavior from anyone at RfA, and only by the act having consequences that prevent future acts can we guarantee this.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 11:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I know how you  feel. I  spent  hundreds of hours pioneering  and  and managing  the WP:RFA2011 project  and as you  can probably  understand, I'm  sick of these repugnant  voters. I've reopened that  project, check it  out under its moved name. See my  various comments at  WT:RFA, the discussion  with  LC above at  'Query at WTT's page' and'RFA' and the conversation  with  Worm, this] and tnis piece of blatant hypocrisy from  both  of them. If there's anything  I can do to help I will even if it compromises my future runs for crat or arb. The problem is that admins are expected to  take untold abuse and are not allowed to react  to it. For starters, while I  value Scottywong's initiative, that  block  should have been indef, with  a permanent  site ban - enough  is enough. But  since arbcom  has practically  decreed that  RfA  is a safe haven for those who smugly pride themselves in  their disruption  and their success at  deliberately  bringing  the RfA system  to  its knees, I don't really  see where we can go  from  here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What bothers me is that I have seen people get blocked for less, at my own RfA. If there is a process that demands equity, it is RfA.  That should be our shining example of fairness.  I can tolerate heated debate, I've started a few of my own, but some lines still must be drawn and when someone is told multiple times by different people that their "contribution" is excessive and they just deny and revert back, that is problematic.  Had I not voted, I would have blocked him.  I'm disappointed that the reaction to the bludgeoning was so weak, and I credit that to sigma having lost popular support.  This isn't about Sigma at all, this is about a community that allows disruption when they agree with it.  That makes us, as a community, a hypocrite.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 12:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope you  checked out  the discussions listed above. iYour are echoing  words almost  verbatim  that  I  have said many, many  times., including  that  this is not  about  Sigma, but  about  the sanity  of RfA. When I  see such  disgraceful  behavour, I think  Wikipedia has become a bloody  loonybin. It  makes me just  want  to  sod off and find another hobby. The behaviour of some of the Foundation  staff  in  Washington wasn't  much  better either. You've got  mail. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Kudpung, you are always a plus in my book. You will always have my support in anything you run for.— cyberpower ChatOnline 13:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Speed Deletion
Hi there, I got a speed deletion in my userspace, can you please have a look?User:RexRowan/Eric_Grimson Thanks! -- RexRowan Talk  13:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was inappropriate of the user to put a db-web in your userspace, because db-web is a sub-criterion of A7, which only applies to articles. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 12:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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 * EdwardsBot (talk) 20:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Protection at Rangers F.C.
Hi there, Could you have a look at the protection you applied at Rangers F.C, as you only put semi on for a day, whereas I think you meant it indef (which it probably should have IMHO). Could you drop a note on the article talk page as there's a request there and I mentioned I'd raise it with you. Thanks. Ged UK  12:42, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

sorry
i have just found ou t that user Electriccatfish2 has been using you for his sock puppet account

user: moshecarroll123

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshecarroll123 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you go into some more detail about this please? Show us your evidence? I noticed you have been dealing with eletriccatfish2 before, so are you sure this is true?  Rcsprinter  (yak)  @ 22:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please stop accusing me of all kind of things? I hate to bite, but you're basically trolling me and posting claims about me doing all sorts of stuff. If you're upset because I tagged your article for deletion or reverted vandalism that you may have created, please inform me on my talk page instead of trolling me. Kudpung is my mentor, not my sockpuppet. Please see WP: SOCK. Thank you. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * User Moshecarroll123 has made a total of 9 edits and none to  mainspace. For a very  new user, he appears to have an unusually extensive knowledge of Wikipedia processes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hard blocked as a troll and obvious sock of someone. Doesn't really matter who, but someone can ask a CU if they were curious, I just wasn't.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 02:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good block Dennis. You beat  me to  it by  seconds. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:04, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * His complaint to Jimmy a few weeks ago, that was the icing on the cake. Just another troll, which is why I wasn't interested as to who he really is.  No talk page, no email.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 02:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. The way it rains in Thailand, I could see an electric catfish being able to swim right up to you and begin controlling your mind... Beeblebrox (talk) 03:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

, Beeblebrox.  Theo polisme  03:57, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The nearest river big enough to  accommodate EC is the Mekong 25 miles away ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you guys for all of your help. It's quite uncomfortable to be trolled around the site by someone who makes outrageous claims about you. Thankfully, User: Electriccatfish3 was indeffed a few minutes after he created an attack page about me. I guess that's what you get when you do NPP and vandal-fighting. Anyways, thanks for all of your help. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Stepping back and regrouping
You have done a great deal of work. I need to remember that when posting in order not to allow others to use me to bring you down. I don't wish to begin suggesting things that will just be brushed off by others in an attempt to make me out as some freak or someone that can be walked over. At the same time, while I have the ability to fight in a similar manner (trust me.....I can be a far bigger ass than others) it won't improve the project. I need to step back and regroup before I submitt any ideas. This is a serious issue. One that I feel needs to be addressed in the best possible manner. Give me some time and i hope to post some ideas. If not then I probably decided it was not worth being personaly destroyed over.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The time has finally come come for every  constructive effort to  reach  a solution. Being  a bigger ass than the others though, doesn't  help and there are plenty  of ways you  can continue to  offer your thoughts and I  hope you  will.  You  can be absolutely  sure that  when I  revert to  my  occasional  blunteness, I'm  still  exercising  enormous restraint although it annoys me greatly to do so. There are some people here who  if I  ever came across them  them  at  a meet up  or a conference I  would feel  like throwing my food or beer in  their faces - but  I  wouldn't  of course, and I  would have behave as if they  weren't  trolls at all. That's probably  the reason  why  I  don't  go  to  meetings when I  know they  will be there. That  I'm  not  present  at  those discussions is possibly  Wikipedia's net  loss -  I  don't  know -  but the trolls would argue otherwise of course. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:ACTRIAL
Thank you for letting me know about this over at New Editor Retention. I had no idea this was an actual initiative. After reading through the proposal and bugzilla comments on it, I am also sorely disappointed WMF was not on-board with it and am frustrated by some of their behavior in the comments. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 06:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * As we all were. Even those who opposed the idea were astounded that the WMF  could reject a major policy proposal, discussed by over 500 editors, and that was passed with  a clear consensus,  not  only  for the proposed policy, but also for a second RfC on its implementation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Review
Is there a reason why I can be denied this for so long, for such a mistake, and still be possibly denied after the next three months. I know there are users who aren't perfect with most of their edits, however, clearly I try to at least halt the vandals on my talk page and and further contributions, I tend to at least help in some reviews, if only possible denial I may find this denying my right to use the review and send a complaint to Wikipedia itself.

All I'm saying is I trying to use this review to suggest a more suitable table for articles in Wikipedia and not to show off in any form, I understand the policies from Reviewing, request, and forms of vandalism policies I am stilling willing to learn the review, once again, I am willing to build articles by using the review and other methods to help new articles  -- GoShow  (............................)   00:54, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately GoShow, there are still to  many  recent  concerns being expressed about  your editing. persistently  applying  for users rights doesn't  help  either. Try  to  get  through the next  3 months without  any  issues and we'll  look again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem, but thank you anyway.-- GoShow (............................)   02:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rollback-related question
I have a question: Would I be allowed to suggest that someone else be given rollback at Requests for permissions/Rollback, or is that a thing where only the user himself or herself may request it? AutomaticStrikeout 02:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * History has shown that generally  only  'Autopatrolled' is requested by  users other than the editor concerned, which  makes sense because Autopatrolled is a technical aid for the New Page Patrol system and not  a 'hat' or a privilege for users to  collect. That  said, PERM  is not  a mini  RfA where users are nominated and where !voting  takes place - something  which  the non admins who  post there often fail  to  understand. Proxy  requests for an editor  who  has already  been given 'no' for an answer are also likely to be met with a decline. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * So I wouldn't be doing anything wrong if I recommended another user for rollback privileges, even though it doesn't usually happen that way? AutomaticStrikeout 02:56, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Not strictly doing anything  wrong or a breach  of any  policy  that  I'm  aware of, but  making  proxy  requests would not  be looked upon  favourably and you  might be told that  the user should make the application  him/herself. After all, if an editor  is clueful enough to  obtain the  user right, shouldn't  they  be mature enough to  make the requests themselves? By  the same token, candidates for adminship who  can't  do  their RfA transclusions  themselves have already  demonstrated that  they  can't  master an operation  that  is essential  to  the work  of admins. A point  to  ponder. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I guess I will hold off on making any proxy requests. I have seen more than one instance where a candidate improperly transcluded his/her RfA. If I remember correctly, that might have made me a little nervous back when I was doing Bagumba's RfA. AutomaticStrikeout 04:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * -- Kudpung, you can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see any foul play in suggesting directly to the user that they apply for rollback, if you believe they have enough experience in reverting, in recognizing vandalism, and know that the user will use it responsibly. I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 04:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think  you  have understood the conversation  here. Nobody  is suggesting anything  remotely  like foul play. One of the problems here on  Wikipedia - as ctlearly  demonstrated by  the vitriolic polemic that  is now reigning over discussions about  RfA, for example, is that the readers of messages assume too much. If  *I* believe users have enough experience in reverting, in recognizing vandalism, and know that the user will use it responsibly, I  will  accord the rights. I  can't  speak  for other admins -  but I  do  a thorough research  first and the  applicant  must  have  demonstrated overall responsibility. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:56, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think "foul play" was a poorly-thought term to use on my part and didn't represent my understanding of the situation. I think "inappropriateness" would be more fitting.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Not even inapproriate. Sorry, but I still don't  see the relevance to the original discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, the way I read it, AutomaticStrikeout asked if it was appropriate, or if he would be doing anything wrong, to suggest someone else for rollback. You said that it wasn't technically inappropriate, but that it wouldn't be looked upon favorably.  I think we are mincing words at this point, but to me, it seems like it would be OK (and would not be looked upon unfavorably...ugh, double negative) for AutomaticStrikeout to suggest to a user directly that they apply for rollback, given that sufficient research has been done on the user's contributions and behavior to support that rollback would be used responsibly.  I'm sorry that my choice of words was not very good, but I was just attempting to make a suggestion to AutomaticStrikeout based on how I've learned about various permissions and tools here.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Which ever way you attempt to read it, there is no ambiguity and 'my answers were clear. I did not say it was it wasn't technically inappropriate; I said: Not strictly doing  anything  wrong or a breach  of any  policy  that  I'm  aware of' , and the semantics are quite different. You and AutomaticStrikeout are welcome to suggest to your friends that some extra tools might be of use to them, but that was not the subject of the conversation either, and was neither mentioned nor inferred. AutomaticStrikeout concluded by saying: 'Ok. I guess I will hold off on making any proxy requests'. Nobody is mincing words here except those who are trying to interpret things that weren't said. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Kudpung, I am really truly sorry that I've misinterpreted you and accused you of being picky with word choice. It might be possible that we differ on how we interpret the word inappropriate in this situation.  I honestly didn't think I was overstating or misrepresenting your response, but clearly I am in the wrong here, and I apologize for my behavior.  I do think my suggestion was related to AutomaticStrikeout's original question, as he seemed to want to help another user gain rollback permissions.  So, from my perspective, it made sense for him to suggest it to the user directly.  I know it wasn't mentioned explicitly, but I thought it might be helpful.  That's all.  It was not my intention to step on your toes, or make any negative accusations about anyone's conduct or opinions here, but clearly I didn't do a great job about that.  I will be more mindful about making responses here in the future.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 09:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it. Sometimes I don't make myself as clear as I could .  It's always hard when we don't  have the advantage of intonation  on  the written word. This is how the Internet  has changed the way  we communicate. In  the old days when people used to  write formal  letters to  each  other, language was more precise, but  nowadays with  email, chat  rooms, SMS, and web forums, people tend to  write as they  would speak, and forget  that  those important nuances are missing. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You might  find this interesting. Food for thought, though absolutely not aimed at you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Mmm, fresh perspective. Thanks for sending it my way.  Those comments span across a few different issues, and some of them resonate with me.  I'll make some comments here, but don't feel like you need to respond to them unless you want to.
 * I agree that a lot of users feel a sense of duty around certain places here, where the extent of that duty can sometimes be productive and other times is absurd and POINTy. No wonder that "staying out of ANI" is considered a plus.  However, some stuff doesn't sit well with me.  Call me biased because I might be one of those whippersnappers, but I don't really subscribe to the idea of judging RfA candidates or others based on how old their account is / whether they've had access to Twinkle / whether they've "accomplished something."  These requirements ignore the fact that many experienced editors who fail these criteria can have well-informed and valuable opinions that are worth listening to.  I mean, if one such user has a set of personal criteria for an RfA, isn't it just easier to appraise their support / opposition based on the quality of their criteria?  Anyway, I am sure those predictors work sometimes to weed out unnecessary comments, but they seem like broad generalizations.
 * As for needing more folks on RfCs, certainly. I'm even trying to close a Monty Hall problem RfC-- it's a doozy!  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 00:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

By pure coincidence, I  just happened on  this which  appears to  illustrate Drmies' point  perfectly. Ironically, the one complaining here also fits squarely  into  that  category. Broadly, I come across these problems every day  at  PERM, AfC, AfD, RPP, AiV, NPP, etc., and it's one of the reasons, for example, which  also  led the CVUA being  remodeled. The catalyst for the current arbcom  case was also  an  enthusiastic but  unwise attempt at  pre-emptive clerking. I tried within  seconds to  nip  it  in  the bud, but  it  was too late. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been watching these events unfold, but I really have no desire to participate in them. I have nothing constructive to add.  As far as I've been able to ascertain the context of each, I am sure each user believed their actions were justified in policy, guidelines, or their personal philosophy, but were still done in poor judgment.  When it comes to interpersonal situations and conflict, something many editors, myself included, can always get better at is knowing when to pick your battles.  I do believe it is important to speak out against perceived injustices, but it is also helpful to know when you will add nothing helpful to the discussion, even if something seems unfair.  This is a difficult challenge, though, particularly if it is a matter or person you care about.   I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, props for trying to snuff out the fires, particularly with a delicate hand. I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As a very active admin, I constantly get baited and lies told about  me -  enough to  add another string  of diffs to  the current  Arbcom  case - but  I  try  to  stay  out  of it  and let  things take their course without  my  interference. For example, although you  might  have seen me around at  ANI, in  fact  I'm not  one of the regulars  and I very  rarely  comment  there because it's swamped by  the wannabe admins. The problem is,  the current  arbcom  case has now lost us one of our nicest  admins, a personal  friend, into  retirement, and a couple of good content  editors. Seems like the anti-admin  brigade are having  a field day  even if they do run  the risk  of being  blocked or banned. Of course, Arbcom  has handled this all  very, very  badly and the next  thing  won't  be a call  for RfA reform, but  probably  an Arbcom  reform. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

School block for Halton Catholic District School Board (HCDSB), Burlington, ON
Hi Kudpung, I saw that you issued a 6 month school block for IP 209.250.173.254, resolving to Halton Catholic District School Board (HCDSB), Burlington, ON. I have found them to vandalise using multiple IPs at the same time recently. Therefore, for the school block to become effective, you might also need to block 209.250.172.102, 209.250.172.114 and 209.250.173.99 (those were the three other "interacting" IP addresses, when I stumbled upon them), but there might be more. Greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it  out.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Question
I'm not sure, but did you intend to my advice to the user after others had referenced it? If not I would like it restored. I'm brushing up on the various mop activities prior to a run for the tool. Hasteur (talk) 19:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, it was unintentional  while transcluding  the unblock  decline template.  I've restored it. If you're considering  getting  a mop, you  may  wish  to  read this if you  haven't  done so  already. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

User rights
Hey Kudpung, you know more about this stuff than I do--I noticed you denied some user rights on User talk:GoShow; right after your message I commented on their incorrect use of STiki (I'm not exactly sure what that is) to claim vandalism/test edits. I have some other issues with this editor (websites claimed to be RS on astrology articles), but I though you might like to know. Ah, I see now that they have rollback--if it were up to me I'd pull it, but I would appreciate your second opinion. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I  nearly  pulled their Rollback myself. There is clearly  a competency/maturity  issue here so  as far as I'm  concerned you  can go ahead and remove it - you  have my  full  support. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response, Kudpung. I'll look at a few more since they're on a tear. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above exchange was very late last  night  here. This morning  I  spent  a couple of hours researching  more. Perhaps a removal of the tool may be premature after all, but a close eye certainly needs to  be kept as I  found a few dubious vandalism  reverts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

User talk:64.69.155.94
You posted a blocked template on this IP's talk page, but they actually don't appear to still be blocked. I'm not sure if you're currently around to look at this, but if not, maybe one of your talk page stalkers can take care of it. AutomaticStrikeout 05:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Done deliberately because one wasn't put there before. There is some possible socking/block  evasion going on regarding users of that IP, so at least  anyone landing on that talk  page will know that it is/was blocked. You'll also notice that I researched and added the 'Shared IP' template. Nevertheless, thanks for your concern. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. My bad, thanks for explaining. AutomaticStrikeout 05:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Backlog at WP:PERM/RV
Hi, I know you're active at PERM, and was wondering if you noticed the fairly long backlog at WP:PERM/RV. Regards, TRLIJC19  ( talk  •  contribs ) 22:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The backlog is deliberate -  this should be obvious because all  other requests are handled punctually. There is absolutely  no  urgency  for reviewers because there isn't  anything  for them  to  do  yet.  Wikipedia already  has over 5,000 users with  the reviewer flag  already, and what  their role will  in  fact  be is still  not  decided, and unlikely to  be before the end of the year. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. TRLIJC19  ( talk  •  contribs ) 00:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
— ΛΧΣ  21™  01:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:RRN
Hey Kudpung. So, I've received three different emails (generally from people who were around during the start of WP:CVUA) suggesting that I put in an RFA. While I would find The Tools™ useful in what I do, I just don't think I'm ready at all (though, I have some serious self-worth issues that I'm working to fix). As someone who has generally been around the same places, but that I don't feel like I have a close, personal relationship with, I'm wondering if you'd be willing to look through my contributions and assess my chances at RFA. I think I can be useful, but I don't want "another premature CVUA RFA", as it were. If you have time, I'd really appreciate a 100% honest and open review of my chances at RFA. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Give me a day or two. This takes a couple of days to do  and I'm  out  of town today. In  the meantime, please read WP:Advice for RfA candidates and follow all  the links in  it  and the footnotes, and User:Kudpung/RfA criteria.  These two  pages will  already  give you  a fair idea of where you  stand. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've definitely already read WP:RFAADVICE, as well as just about every WP:OMGWTFBBQ TLA out there. In fact, and I don't know if this says something good or bad about me, I think I read just about every policy, guideline, and well-supported essay that there was before I registered and started seriously contributing. My biggest downside, I feel, is that I haven't created any articles, at all. My content work has focused on Portals (where I brought Portal:New England up to featured from the shell it once was and am currently working to recreate Portal:Nazi Germany after the old version was MFD'd for being far too pro-Nazi) and fixing the holes in the content we already have. I understand, and recognize and accept, that I'm never going to be the Article-writing type; I do maintenance, and some of it, fairly important maintenance. Thanks for looking into this for me. And please, feel free to take your time and do it whenever you get around to it. I'm asking you for a favor, and I have no pretension that might suggest that my wants are more important than the things you need to do. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 03:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 02:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Why does wikipedia have this rule?
I desperately need confirmed status on my account. I cannot wait 4 days for autoconfirmation. I am being denied on the basis that my article isn't finished yet. I do not understand this. Can you please explain to me what the reasoning is behind such a rule? I am new to wikipedia, and I understand that there are rules, but why a rule that insists that I complete the text portion of an article before I can upload images? Please see: Requests_for_permissions/Confirmed Why can't I do the article one portion at a time? --C Coligniero (talk) 02:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * One way to get your article approved is by submitting it to Articles for creation where a reviewer will take a look at it and provide suggestions, or approve it. In answer to your question regarding reasoning behind the rule, I would attribute it at least partly to the Siegenthaler Incident. Go   Phightins  !  03:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If the article is not a protected title, you  can complete this article at  any  time without out  waiting  to  be confirmed. You  will  need to  wait  until  you  are confirmed before uploading  images. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:23, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much guys, this info is very helpful. The article isn't even half-way done yet. It's just that I am at a point where I'd like to upload some images, and don't really want to be glued down for four days. I am very new to wikipedia and don't know the ropes around here yet, so thank you both very much for pointing me in the right direction. I really appreciate it. --C Coligniero (talk) 06:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter - closing up!
Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

AMRAP Nutrition page
Hello,

I am wondering why you deleted the AMRAP Nutrition page.

Please tell me how it appeared to be promotional / advertising as I trust your opinion and respect your concern for keeping garbage out of Wikipedia. However this company is doing good things and I am one of many that think we should support them.

Kindly review their Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/AMRAPnutrition ) and please let me know your final thoughts as I will respect and support them.

Thank you and have a nice day!


 * I hope to visit Thailand one day - if you get a chance tell me what cities would be best for a young family :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.221.48 (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I cannot connect to the FaceBook page because I do not have an account there. Also, a FaceBook page is not a reference of importance that  asserts notability  for Wikipedia articles.  The article was deleted because the content read like a social  networking  or directory  entry, with  promotional  text  and links. Companies must  satisfy  our criteria at  WP:ORG -  that  means that  their significance must  be supported by multiple independent  third-party sources such  as dedicated articles in  the established press. I'm  afraid that  AMRAP Nutrition will probably  not  be able to  meet these requirements. For more information  please see the notice on  the creator's page at User talk:IHeartAutumnVT. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Unreadable user page
Hey Kudpung, I assume you noted my user page as unreadable for one of two reasons: 1) the colours hurt your eyes, or 2) it doesn't render properly in your browser. I wanted to note that I have no emotional attachment to any aspect of it, but also that there is a thought process here. As far as the colours go, I understand that they are not the standard on Wikipedia, but they exist in that form for a reason. If you spend any time using a command line or text-based operating system, you know that such software is almost always distributed with black backgrounds and non-white text. This is because people who spend excessive amounts of time looking at text on computer screens usually find (if they have given it a good shot) that such a colour scheme tends to keep the eyes from getting tired. If you note the image to the right, that is what my user page looks like in a text-based environment. I did not choose those colours, that is how the software is distributed. I would be happy to change the colours, I just chose those because it is what I am used to seeing elsewhere. I have never had anyone come to me (in person or on Wikipedia) to say that they could not read my user page, but that does not mean there aren't people out there who can't (triple negative!).<P> With respect to rendering, I do look at my user page in modern and ancient browsers, and have only seen it not render properly with software that can't render the rest of Wikipedia anyway. Do you have a problem seeing it?<P> In short, I would change it without strife if someone could provide a credible reason for it. I would appreciate your thoughts. <span style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, sans-serif; "> hajat vrc  @ 07:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * . I had a look. It loads fine, but it is virtually unreadable. There is insufficient contrast between the black background and the dark purple and blue coloured text. Your user page is where other editors can find out more about you, and to a certain extent is how you choose to present yourself here. No one will bother to find out more with a page that looks like that. I had to highlight all the text just to be able to read it easily, and it runs the risk of implying to others (rightly or wrongly) that you put a low priority on communicating clearly and a high priority on looking "cool". Just a bit of advice. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess my eyes must be weird, because it is much easier for me to read that than black-on-white, especially for long periods of time. I don't have time to fool with it at the moment, but I will figure something out. I've had it that way for three years, go figure. <span style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, sans-serif; "> hajat vrc  @ 09:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

✅ Any thoughts? <span style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, sans-serif; "> hajat vrc  @ 10:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Beautiful! Elegant but easy to read and very "Mies". What a difference! You're a whole new person. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It now looks very  nice, except  that  your user name is still  missing  from  the title bar. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Q
Kudpung, maybe you can judge whether Peasant revolution in Thailand is a viable article--I have my doubts. The user has a specific interest in this field which you can see at Talk:Peasant's revolution. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * A. An opinion piece, essay, or academic dissertation (which according to the author it is) with some supporting  print references that can neither be easily verified nor checked for copyvio. Just  because an article is referenced does not  mean it  is suitable for inclusion -  all academic theses have footnotes. Wikipedia is not  a place for simply publishing  original  research - whether acaademic or not, and  with  or without  footnotes. That's my  take on it. If  it  were an article in an established peer reviewed journal, a Wikipedia piece on  Thai  history  could reference to  it  as a source, but in my opinion, that's as far as it goes. The deleted stub by the same author started off in the same tone. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

It's been a while.
Hi, Kudpung! It's a been a while since we talked, but I just had a question about WP:NPP that I thought you'd be more than fit to answer. In instances like this, I end up having an edit conflict/such with one of the copyright bots -- which I am unaware of until after saving the page, because of the way Twinkle processes CSD tagging. My question for you is: Is my tagging completely redundant (and should be reverted, trouted, and thrown into a large cage), or... not? Thanks,  Theo polisme  13:59, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfectly OK. However, you  might  wish  to  follow up  on  the Duplication  Detector report and decide whether the entire article should be CSD'd or whether you can attempt a quick  clean up. (Hint: settlements are rarely  deleted if they  are provene, with or without  refs, to  exist). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

article about Jason Shulman
Hello Kudpung,

Thank you for your comments in response to my question about the article on Jason Shulman. I'm new to Wiki, so your comments were very helpful.

I wondered if I could check something with you...

I had believed that the following establishes Rev Shulman’s notability:
 * The books he has authored (very impressive list in bibliography - coauthor of book with Isaac Asimov; his most recent book was in the Amazon bestseller list etc)
 * His music for theatre, advertising and spiritual music (listed in discography)
 * Being the founder and head of a growing organisation with students from around the world
 * Creating a new body of spiritual work that brings together Judaic and Buddhist thought

I'd be grateful for any thoughts you could offer on how I could build my case based on these facts...?

Thank you once again for taking the time to write and give me feedback.

Best wishes, Sharadha (Sharadha Bain (talk) 16:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC))


 * Hi. Unfortunately there's nothing  I  can do  to  help  you  here. The article was deleted because there was no explanation of the subject's significance for a real person. Please see Notability (people) and the comments on  your talk  page. Such  an article must be referenced to  third-party independent sources, such  as articles about  him in  established newspapers, magazines, or peer reviewed journals. A list  of books he has written is not  enough. If  you  can find such  references, you  can create the article again.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

NYU-Poly page
Hi Kudpung, some users(most probably sock puppets) keep deleting my message for in NYU-Poly's talk page.

Thanks--Magini (talk) 21:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears you  have now been blocked for edit  warring  and suspected sockpuppetry. I  won't  comment  on  editors' participation  on  the talk page because I'm only  concerned with  keeping  the article free of disruption  and violations of policy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

article about Jason Shulman
Hi Kudpung, Thank you once again for this very helpful feedback. May I run a quick question by you: Two well-known books about healing have dedicated an entire chapter each to Shulman and his teachings. The authors had no personal connection to him, so they are independent sources. Further: comments/blurbs for his books came from highly respected folk - Stephen Covey, Lama Surya Das, Carolyn Myss etc. Would these help in establishing notability? Thank you once again for your time and kind assistance. Sharadha (Sharadha Bain (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC))
 * I'm afraid that's beyond my knowledge. We have a department  that  is specialized in  questions  like these. Please ask  at  the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. Sorry  I  can't be of more help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:17, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, we tried...
... JamesBWatson (talk) 14:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

article about Jason Shulman
Hello Kudpung, Thank you for pointing me to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. I will check there. You've been very kind indeed. Thank you for all the feedback and guidance. Sharadha (Sharadha Bain (talk) 23:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC))

Talkback
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Reymysteriorocks‎‎
Give the child a slap. --Biker Biker (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Biker Biker (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Fjozk
What exactly is the point of trying to engage him on his talk page when he wouldn't listen to anyone else and has already made it clear he won't listen to me? But if you insist, next time I will. Automatic Strikeout  19:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * See the message I have just  left  on  his tp. Running  to  Aunty  ANI each time a user picks his nose doesn't help. The other point -  which  he succinctly  made in  his comments at  WT:NPP - also reflects several  comments by  others around the site that  since the new cool patrolling tool went live, there are a lot of users working there now who  appear to believe that reading  through the tutorial at WP:NPP isn't necessary. I've been campaigning  for years to  get NPP improved, and although the Foundation refuses to  acknowledge the core problems, they have at least given us the new patrolling interface, but I did warn about what a magnet it would be to new or less experienced users. What  will happen ultimately is that  page patrolling  will  be made into a user right and because of its special nature, the right will need one heck of a lot more clue than Rollbacker or Reviewer. Help us to get it working smoothly so  we don't  have to resort to  that.    Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I don't even use that new feed, I prefer the old style. Also, when someone is as repeatedly rude as Fjozk has been and ignores it when a simple solution is offered, I really don't feel as inclined to care if their argument was valid. Automatic  Strikeout  20:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Which of course for anyone wanting to be regarded as a skilled Wikipedia 'policeman' is exactly the wrong end of the street to start firing parking tickets from. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe so but I'm a no-nonsense person. I'll just have to try and be more patient, although I do think Fjozk deserved to be taken to ANI. I wasn't the only person he was treating like an animal. Automatic  Strikeout  20:35, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you really need to tone down your own comments a bit. Some of them are borderline PA and it's a question who I would block first ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

From Go Phightins!
Kudpung, I am completely aware that patrolling from the NPP backlog is what's recommended, and I try to. However in this case I was looking at "new editors contribs" under recent changes. I saw a mistake, fixed it, and when Fjozk came to my talk page I politely apologized, I explained how to resolve an edit conflict, I thanked him for his contributions, and asked him to come by if he had further questions. I assumed good faith. It was an honest mistake, one that I now am more careful about, and I just don't see why this has gotten so overblown. It was a single apostrophe. If people can get this riled up about an apostrophe, then I give up. Go  Phightins  !  20:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to give up, he is new. I went afterwards and gave a welcoming personal message and was rudely blown off, I didn't worry about it.  A little rudeness isn't enough to block, that is the key.  Hopefully he will settle in here and mellow out.  If not, then eventually he will get booted, but until then, it looks like he is a net plus for now.  This is what I talk about with civility, we have to make room for all kinds, including grumpy people.  Not everyone is "chipper", and just like the in real world, we have to tolerate a little rudeness here and there.  Best to just ignore mild rudeness, as we can't all be bundles of sunshine, but even grumpy people have skills and can be helpful.  Don't make me name names ;).  We all need to be tolerant of the mild stuff.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 20:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, I was just commenting at the NPP talk page discussion where not only this user, but several others expressed a significant degree of disdain towards an honest mistake. And I can read between the lines on that last part :). Thanks Dennis-- Go  Phightins  !  20:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you (Dennis) should get a block similar to the one you gave Dr. Blofield, except this one would be for being a voice of reason instead of getting all worked up. In all seriousness, thanks to both you and Kudpung. Automatic  Strikeout  20:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, tryin' to get  a word in  edgways on  my  own  tp ;) Well  'ere it  is: :I  agree entirely  that  this whole thing  has been blown up  out  of proportion. See the conversation  above with  AutomaticStrikeout. The message going  round the site at the moment is that the same signatures keep  appearing  on  messages at  ANI whether as plaintiffs or as uninvolved commentators. The only  names that  should be seen there with  any  regularity  are those of the admins - and I'm  sure you  can figure out  why  that  is. As for NPP, yes, it  is indeed recommended to  work  from  the back  of the queue, but paradoxically those articles are the hardest  to  patrol  because they  are the ones that the newbs and kids have left after going  for the low hanging fruit at the front of the queue. I  would prefer to  see the less experienced patrollers doing just  that: leaving  the tough pages for the experts to  deal  with. Almost everyone agrees that the real  priority  is at  the front  of the queue because that's where the hoax, attack, vandal,  and copyvio  pages are easily  identified, and very  quickly  deleted. Fjozk made some very valid points in  his posts at  WT:NPP -  do  check  out  the entire thread because he's got  the picture perfectly, it's just  a shame he has a caustic way of commenting. As regards to incivility, if Arbcom  won't block serial offenders, how do  you  expect  us mere admins to risk  our reputations (and perhaps our tools) for blocking  anyone for something less? The best way  to  handle people like that  is to  ignore them. It usually  works. Once you know your stuff really  well  at  NPP, you  can help us patrol the patrollers and correct the mess they  make. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about the edit conflicts. I probably caused them cuz I kept trying to save my edit and kept getting a notice about a server error. I think the server problem had been resolved, and I just needed to cancel the edit, re-load and try again. Sorry about that. I'm still gonna through the server under the bus anyway. Automatic  Strikeout  21:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Breast Cancer Awareness
I don't take it upon myself to fix the world very often, but this article is seriously harmful. It needs to be completely scrapped and re-written or deleted altogether. I am very willing to work with somebody to re-write this article. If nobody else will, I would like to re-write the article myself. I will make it objective, have appropriate information, have good sources, etc (obviously different from the message I put on it). Please help me with this. I will speak to whoever I need to and put in as many complaints directly to Jimmy Wales's inbox as it takes if I have to (obviously a joke).

I am sorry if this comes off arrogant or generally crazy, but this article is not just a poor article - it is a problem. It is harmful for it to be visible to the public, and it is not appropriate for the purposes of wikipedia.

I appreciate whatever help you can give me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.0.32.44 (talk) 02:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:Breast cancer awareness. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Email
One's coming your way. Steven  Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 09:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Assistance with my page
Hey Kudpung,

I just received notice about the deletion of the page I made. I saw your notes, "subject not important" to put in an encyclopedia.

My ambition to start this page is well Im an American student studying my masters in Norway at BI Norwegian Business School.

The Alumni Association here enables students to meet with past alumni, to speak about jobs, mentoring, networking things like that.

I did my undergrad in the US, and the day I graduated I received an email from the alumni department at my school asking for donations..

WHY i made this page is, well i think this is one hell of a vision, instead of asking for money, they operate solely on funding from school, to benefit their former and current students. The closeness of the university to its former students is fantastic, their cooperation and everything is like nothing i have seen before, because it is a program that reaches out rather, asks for funding.

I know alumni isnt the hottest of topics. But there is a page for Texas Tech Alumni Association, so i though that mine would be applicable and even more relevant.

Please, could you assist me with recommendations, or help me get this posted.

Thank you very much

Kevin Cassidy — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinCassidy16 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I understand that  you  would like a page for your organisation, but  unfortunately  it does not  meet our criteria for inclusion  for companies, organisations, clubs, and groups of people. There must  be reliable independent  third-party  sources about  it such  as newspaper articles that  assert its notability. PLease see WP:ORG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

RD1 revision deletion
Hi Kudpung, I used Copyvio-revdel but I'm not sure if there are any admins who watch the category it places it's tranclusions into, which is Category:Requested RD1 redactions. So since you are quite active I thought I'd let you know just in case. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:22, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't  think  it  matters now that  the page has been deleted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No it hasn't I added copyvio-revdel to two articles. One was deleted, but on the other the creator removed the tag, it's Magda Stavinschi. However they added back a large amount of copyrighted text so I've tagged it under CSD G12. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:56, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The actual copyvios appear to be isolated phrase that  can't  easily  be paraphrased. I  would clean it up but I don't have time. I would let another patrolling admin decide what to  do. It  will  probably  be deleted but don't  take offense if s/he decides against  deletion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Canford audio PLC
Please advise why?WillyDonker (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I  don't  understand your query.Please provide details and links to  whatever you  would like to  know. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes (now that I  have searched for it). It  was deleted twice, each time by  a different  administrator. Wikipedia is not  a company  listing  site. This company  made no  claims of significance or importance for an encyclopedic article. Please review the messages on your  talk  page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * But surely Companys like Sony and Microsoft have wiki's on their history yes? However I have noted the issue. Thanks for your help.WillyDonker (talk) 13:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, but I  think  you'll  agree that  Sony  and Microsoft  are in  a different  league and that  thousands of newspaper reports have been produced about them.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I Completely agree. I just thought the Largest UK Distributor of pro audio and sound equipment might deserve one too. Anyway I shall give up. Thanks again for your info WillyDonker (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If that claim is good and you can find numerous independent, third-party  sources to  substantiate it per WP:RS, then there might  be a chance for your article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)



http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/business/news/9702505.Acquisition_will_help_Canford_expand/

“A HIGH-TECH company which supplies equipment that enabled billions to watch the Royal Wedding live is set to expand after increasing exports by 38 per cent.”

http://www.canford.co.uk/News/428_Royal-wedding-audio-and-video-routed-through-Canford-panels Canford are also connected to G20 and the Olympics http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/business/news/4272201.Cable_firm_makes_connections_at_G20/ Canford are global Brittan France Germany and Dubai http://www.durhamtimes.co.uk/archive/2012/02/15/Business%3A+News/9532561.Electronics_firm_Canford_opens_Dubai_office/ BVE norths review on canford audio plc http://www.bvenorth.co.uk/Show_Exhdetails1.aspx?exhid=exhiReg2&id=det

Canford own NEAL recordings who supply Recorders to worldwide police and benefit agencies and immigration services (Recorders always seen on tv) As you can see here canford also supply the military. http://www.armedforces.co.uk/companies/raq3f66e75f6be0d £6m liabilities http://companycheck.co.uk/company/01385727

As you can see canford is a company with another UK site at the far end of the country, and with offices in France Dubai and Germany. If these sources are not enough then i am happy to admit defeat.

Thanks WillyDonker (talk) 14:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well done Willy! There's no doubt the company is notable. I  have restored the article to  your user sub page at User:WillyDonker/Canford Audio PLC where you  can work  on  it and expand it in  peace and add all  that  great info and the references. If  you  need any  help, don't  hesitate to  ask. Let  me know when it's ready  and I'll  check  it  over and move it  back  to  mainspace.  BTW: Check exactly what you flip for a living ;)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! First article here I come! Also yes I just changed that oops haha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillyDonker (talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I might be ready for you to check the page through Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillyDonker (talk • contribs) 16:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A cuppa for you!
Thank you Willy! You know, I've got a load or barnstars and stuff, but that's the nicest message I've had in my 6 years here. Made an old man's day! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Part of me 2
Hi, there have been four warnings on this user's page since last month when we attempted an ANI report. Is there anything we can do at this point? RFC/U? Elizium23 (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's delicate because what we have here is not  vandalism. Part of me 2 really  believes that  their edits are constructive -  they  are cetainly  not  vandalism  even if they  are largely  disruptive and hence I  would regret  having  to  impose a block, at  least  just  yet. I  think  probably  one solution would  be to  insist  on  an adoption  programme. Much  depends on  how such a message on  their talk  page is worded and because I  think  this is a young  user, our standard elocution may  be too  formal and intimidating. It  remains to  be seen however if there would be any  reaction  to  such  a suggestion  on  their talk  page. If not, then it  should be the subject  of (yet another)  discussion at  ANI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Any reaction at all would be great. As it stands, this user has never used a talk page, in nearly 1500 edits logged. The user does not appear to have email enabled, so there is essentially no way of contacting him that will work. Good luck with that. Elizium23 (talk) 03:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Please review this
I think, this article needs a more experienced editor than me. I proded it, at first. Check the history but the creator keeps removing my other tags (e.g. stub, uncategorised, etc). Best Regards, Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 13:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Already deleted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Permission
Hello, Kudpung.Actually i am bit confused with this. Am i granted permission or declined ? Thank You 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  ☣ 18:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Per This (your rights log), it appears you have, in fact, been given the Rollback bit. Achowat (talk) 18:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * YES Yes, i saw now. Actually i didnt get any reply that i've given permission,thats why i've asked you know.Thanks for trusting Kudpung.Kind regards. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  ☣ 18:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

RE:Clerking
I am kinda at a loss, I've re-read the documentation here Template:Non-administrator observation as you suggested and I don't see what that documentation has anything to do with the amount of edits made. You made another comment a while back here which is more confusing, which comment do stand behind ? this one or this one. An editor pinged me in IRC and was upset because they thought they got me in trouble after seeing your comment (today) as they were the one that pointed me to Requests for permissions/Account creator, I assured them they had nothing to do with your comment. After thinking about this awhile your comment might have been placed as "a truly friendly reminder" but frankly I think it's caused more problems than it apparently meant to save. WP:PERM are project pages not owned by anyone, I don't see how my 600+ edits there has anything to do with you or WP:PERM. Please point me to some solid policy to the contrary and we can continue this discussion, if not you please cease and desist. Cheers. Mlpearc ( powwow ) 02:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've already apologised once, and there is obviously  no  risk  whatsoever of anyone being  sanctioned for posting  on  those pages. I  do  have a clear agenda there though: to discourage newbies and wannabe admins from  from  believing  that contributing  there may  be a step  towards recognition  for RfA,  and without  an nao  it  might  confuse users that  the decision  has been made by  an admin.  You  may  recall that  just  a while back before the CVUA was revamped, there was a huge spate of unnecessary  clerking and non-admin  decision  making. That  obviously  does not  apply  to  you when commenting  there. As far as I  understand, and as documented, '...but is not in the position to make any actions.' Perhaps I'm interpreting  that  too  literally. Nevertheless, it  would be nice if you could keep  your comments on  the same friendly  terms that  I employ - we both genuinely  have the best interests of Wikipedia at  heart. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes we do Kudpung, I am now considering this issue closed. See ya around PERM. Mlpearc  ( powwow ) 03:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Kudpung!
I missed this whole Wikipedia community so so much! I was seriously taking decisions to retire from Wikipedia, but my heart stopped me from doing so. How are you, anyways? @''' Dipankan  Upgraded!  Tag me! ''' 07:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fine thanks. And still  looking  after New Nage Patrollers ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats so good. Also, can I have the autopatrolled back, which I surrendered? Diff: 1. Also, I had written a satire on Wikipedia. Check it out!: User:Dipankan001/What is Wikipedia. Thanks! @ Dipankan  Upgraded!  Tag me!   07:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You still here?? @ Dipankan  Upgraded!  Tag me!   07:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello,

Kudpung, thanks for the advice, I was bit confused about the whole, I just want it to contribute what ever I can, so thanks for the cool reminder,

cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdirisak (talk • contribs) 16:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Caring Hands Learning Centers - you tagged it, I deleted it. Please see my reply to an objector. Peridon (talk) 16:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
WikiPuppies bark dig 01:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

In loco Dennis
Since you seem to be responding to queries in his stead, I was wondering if you could help me with something. Someone moved "A Picture is Worth a 1,000 Bucks" to "A Picture is Worth a Thousand Bucks". The user likely meant well, but the former is the episode's correct title. I tried to fix it myself, and not surprisingly, screwed it up even more. If you could move it back I would appreciate it. Thanks. Joefromrandb (talk) 08:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This doesn't really  need admin  intervention, just  a gentle touch. The article talk  page is the best  place for a discussion before trying  to  revert  the move and that's where you  can perhaps prove what  the right  page name should be. I've left  a message here to  start  the ball  rolling, perhaps you  can get  the talk  page going. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm confused on both counts. When I attempted to move the page back, I got a message stating that the move had to be done by an administrator. As for discussion, the time for that was before the move. I'm trying to follow BRD here. The page was boldly moved, now I intend to revert, and then I'd be happy to engage in discusssion. If the page can be moved back by a lowly user, please tell me what I did wrong, and I'll move it back myself. Joefromrandb (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't  know what  you  tried you  do  unless you  attempted a cut&paste move, there's nothing  in  the log. That  said, any  BRD has already been done by the first mover. Now is the time for the discussion already. What you do is up to you, but if you  want to  move it without  discussion, do  use the move tool, it will automatically leave a redirect. The page is not  protected. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The page was moved without any prior discussion. I disagree that discussion is required before reverting to the long-standing version. The user boldly moved, I reverted, and now it should be discussed. Again, I have no doubt that the user's intentions were good, and discussion is of course always a good thing. But what you seem to be proposing is BDR, rather than BRD. In any case, the more I try to fix it, the more it's getting messed up. I absolutely did not do a cut-and-paste move, but it's entirely possible that I erred in some other way. If you could move the page back to its long-standing version, I would appreciate it. I'm afraid to keep messing with it. I moved it to "A Picture is Worth a 1000 Bucks", but I'm still unable to get it back to its original title: "A Picture is Worth a 1,000 Bucks" (the only difference being "1000" and "1,000"). By the way, the user who originally moved it has not responded to your comment on his talk page. Thanks in advance, and sorry for creating such a mess. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I did't ealise that what  you  were trying  to  do  was a move over a redirect. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU DELETE MY PAGES
Why did you delete my page Waterloo Road School (Greenford) when it was a reliable page about a fictional school set in Greenford west london — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burrs002 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it is not a real school and it does not  exist. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping up (down?)
and dealing with my whinging and whining about the state of affairs at Talk:Depictions of nudity. It seems so simple when ....... someone else does it. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Jordanalan
Why did you username-block this one? There is gross self-promotion going on and I was about to prepare a note for COI/N and to ask whether any of these films were notable; Jordanalan may end up blocked for advertising (though, as we don't tell new users what WP is not for, it would be only fair to warn him first), but I don't see a problem with him using his own name. There was an earlier account but that has not edited since February so there isn't really a sock problem.

To illustrate the degree of self-promotion, I reverted here edits to one of his film articles which altered sourced statements that the film "was panned by the critics" and was "a box-office flop" to say, without sources, that it "garnered rave reviews" and "went on to unprecedented success"!

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi John. I  username blocked him  because he is not  Jordan Alan. He is Jordan Alan's employee, and is thus impersonating another person. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Aha, I understand - I hadn't seen his post to RFPERM. I will carry on sorting out all the promotional edits and see what if anything should be saved. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Am I faring well at New Page Patrolling?
Hello Kudpung. Can you please review my recent patrolling actions and tell me if I am doing good there. If that area is clean I will focus on working on patrolling of new pages. Thanking you, Dipankan001. @''' Dipankan  Upgraded!  Tag me! ''' 06:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems to be OK to me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

New articles?
Hi Kudpung! I would like to soon create articles Osoyoos Times and Oliver Chronicle, but am afraid it wouldn't pass WP:GNG. They are city newspapers, and i find some newpaper articles on the Osoyoos Times, including one by CBC News. May I ask for your input? Thanks so much, TBrandley 00:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm never optimistic about small local newspapers passing GNG. The CBS news source make the Osoyoos Times 'famous' for one event only, and the Oliver Chronicle website is down due to  having  been hacked. Best thing to  do is to look at Wikipedia articles about any small town newspapers and rate your chnaces. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

LYC
thanks! Azylber (talk) 03:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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