User talk:Markussep/Archive 5

Template:Infobox French commune
Hi, the official figures of the last French census are out since yesterday: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ppp/bases-de-donnees/recensement/populations-legales/default.asp. The template and the infoboxes should be changed accordingly. Thanks in advance! --RCS (talk) 17:28, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to update the template in the article Alsace (not the same template, i know, but the same updates to be made) and it was impossible if i didn't leave the 2007 estimate, which is completely obsolete and has absolutely no use apart from confusing people. If both templates work completely differently - which i wasn't sure of at all, hence why i asked - could you at least check and modify the Template:Infobox French region? Sorry, and thank you! --RCS (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice job!
Nice job with the intro to Romanization of Greek very encyclopedic! thanks travb (talk) 01:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:French communes
* slaps self in the face* For some reason I didn't see that... I am intending to go back and add info though. I just thought it would be helpful to put the infobox templates there first, but maybe that wasn't the easiest route. Thanks for telling me. jj137 (talk) 12:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Help needed
Salut Markussep. fr:Don (rivière de Loire-Atlantique) should be named en:Don River (France) or en:Don (Vilaine) ? Merci d'avance. Alvar ☮  ☎ 13:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, merci. Alvar ☮  ☎ 17:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

towns
A year and a bit on ... and we still have not got it right :-(  Agathoclea (talk) 10:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Formatting of French Communes
Is one of the bots being run on these moving the geo-stub under the communes template? This is very ugly. Ksnow (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)Ksnow
 * It looks like it might be Smackbot. Ksnow (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)Ksnow

Moder River
Salut Markussep. I saw this. It was too complicated for me (cf. ) when I wrote the article ;D The natural & historical mouth seems to be is in Neuhaeusel (France) but now there is a Digue between the Rhine and the Moder. The length of the Moder, following the SANDRE, is 82 km in France. So I imagine there are some km in Germany. Too complicated to explain in the article whith my broken english and it looks like a minor detail, but I'm a kind of perfectionniste. ++ Alvar ☮  ☎ 14:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * perfectionniste'': just have a look at fr:Discuter:Seugne ;D Alvar ☮  ☎ 14:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok + no big deal IOO (In Our Opinions ;-) Alvar ☮  ☎ 14:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

something to make you smile
User:Agathoclea/Löschkönig - Agathoclea (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

No content in Category:Former Ämter in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
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 * Is anything still to happen here? Agathoclea (talk) 10:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Tyrol
Hello. I was informed that you actively worked in the past on articles related to South Tyrol. You are invited to share your thoughts on a Wikiproject Tyrol. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh; is there going to be a Wikiproject Alto Adige too, on the other side of the fence Alps? But WP Tyrol seems to have started right in at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names). Your comments, as chief architect of the present compromise, are welcome. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox German municipality
I was wondering if you would think about changing the current layout of the box in coordination with most of the othe rinfoboxes to have a larger map underneath the coat of arms. The current layout renders it that the map is so small it is the same size as the coat of arms which on most wikipedia settlements is at least 200 px while the coat of arms often well under 100 px. Most of the time the map is four times larger at least than the coat of arms, not the same size. For instance on Hockenheim you'd expect the map to be roughly the same size as a the photograph. Add to the map a thick locator pin that we currently have rather than the thinner pin used on the French communes map for instance and it makes the scale of the map awkward especially as we now have much higher quality pin maps. How about flags and coat of arms go side by side on top and you display a decent sized map underneath as with most other countries on here. As for as I can see it is only a hadnful of countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland and perhaps Norway that insist on keeping it. Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

What about an infobox for Berlin neighbourhoods? Adlershof etc. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Well using standard German infobox would be fine, I did wonder if there was a different arrangement for city districts though. Perhaps the Berlin districts could be fitted out with them some time. Great work on finishing Aude BTW! Regards Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes thats what I was thinking of. I wonder if they could be copied off German wikipedia like the others. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 10:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi the proposal is almost done at User:Dr. Blofeld/Germany using Template:Infobox German location/sandbox. Just need to shrink the COA to around 80px and get the map to display the title like with France. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 08:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Strange interwiki link
On the Saint-Avertin page, there is an interwiki link to Tieng Viet without XXX text in the page. How can this be? Ksnow (talk) 20:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)Ksnow This seems to be on all the pages I am opening. Ksnow (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)Ksnow

2006 population update
Now that the INSEE has the 2006 legal populations posted, do we want to have someone with a bot (maybe Smackbot) update them all in the infoboxes?Ksnow (talk) 14:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Ksnow

German Municipalities
Do you think it might be worth to get a switch in the WP-Germany banner? Agathoclea (talk) 10:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, what do you want to use that WP-Germany switch for? Updating population figures etc.? Might be a good idea, I've never used anything like that. Markussep Talk 10:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was more thinking of keeping a track on the articles in terms of quality and getting to the point where a larger percentage is no longer a stub. Saying that I am seriously tempted in running a bot to update the population figures once the 2008 numbers are out (missing out 2007) Agathoclea (talk) 11:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Help disambig
Salut Markussep, I just created Lignon du Velay, Lignon du Forez will follow... what about a dismbig. page (and its name) ? cf. de:Lignon and fr:Lignon? Merci d'avance. Alvar ☮ ☎ 15:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the « good work » Thanks for dealing with the disambig. stuff. Non, I haven't access to books or internet sites with river data (discharge, basin area); I just copy from fr :-( Alvar ☮ ☎ 15:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Merci. I wonder where this error comes from.... perhaps my brain ;D Alvar ☮ ☎ 17:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I copy from fr: ... but I find errors on fr:, cf. ... so, I'm not sure that discharge & basin area are correct on fr: Alvar ☮ ☎ 11:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Population-density calculator
After very brief testing, this seems to be working fine. Thanks again!! Ksnow (talk) 13:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Ksnow

File:Deje2.jpg
Hallo Markus. Hast du noch mehr so tolle Bilder aus den abanischen Bergen? Gerade zu Lura könnten wir noch gute Bilder gebrauchen! Danke, --Albinfo (talk) 09:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. Sounds interesting – would be nice if you could upload some of them to commons. --Albinfo (talk) 17:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Don (Vilaine)
Don (Vilaine) I assume you intend to write an article for this currently redlinked and orphaned item in Don disambig? Ex nihil (talk) 09:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

...Beienrode (Königslutter)
Danke je wel voor de hulp bij de artikel Beienrode(Königslutter)... ik ben nog een klein beginner bij wikipedia, dus heb ik wel nog veel hulp nodig.

Groeten Eekhoorntje! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eekhoorntje (talk • contribs) 14:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Your edits
Hi, and thanks for your contributions. I noticed that you linked some dates recently. This practice is now deprecated. Please see WP:LINKING and WP:MOSNUM. Furthermore, there is an temporary Arbcom injunction on mass linking/delinking of chronological elements, although this is no suggestion from me that you are in breach whatsoever. I'm happy to respond to any inquiries you may have about the matter. Thank you for your attention. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have not been actively linking unlinked dates. What I have been doing is copying infoboxes from French wikipedia (see for instance this diff), and years are often linked in French wikipedia. There has been quite some confusion about that recently (one user asking me to delink years, another user telling Ksnow not to delink years). If it's really a big deal, I can delink years in infoboxes I copy, but I would prefer some bot to do that. Markussep Talk 09:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there is currently no bot that is approved to remove links to years, only autoformatted dates. I don't think it would really be considered delinking since you are exporting it from another wiki, but I understand your desire to exercise caution. The injunction is only against mass, automated removal of links. It's all right as long as you 1) delink manually and not at a fast rate and 2) you do it in conjunction with other significant changes. Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 12:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * For now I won't put any effort in delinking years in copied infoboxes, I will just copy the style (linked or not) I find at fr:. It's enough work already as is ;-) Markussep Talk 13:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

River moves
Sorry, I hadn't realised it was a hot topic and will leave it alone. I recognise the difference between US and other English-speaking nations. My feeling is that it's because US naming is more recent and so they named their rivers after something like an Indian tribe, or state or its colour e.g. the Big Black River, the Tennessee River, the Red River, the Mississippi River. So the name is an adjective and should come first. Whereas in long-established countries, the river already has a name stretching back into the mists of time, so is a noun in its own right: River Thames, River Avon. And my sense is that it's like that in Germany too. And by convention the name comes last if its not adjectival. Only a theory. It could also be argued that in the European Union we normally use British English not US English :). --Bermicourt (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It was only a theory... I agree though that X (river) would make more sense. It's common usage in all countries to just refer to the river by its name. Pity your idea was deprecated. But Wikipedia is still developing... --Bermicourt (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think at least 2 of your examples may be adjectival/derived names too. The Columbia River was named after a ship, the Coeur d'Alene River flows into Lake Coeur d'Alene (notice the reversal of naming). Of course if 90% of US/Canadian naming is X River, it's likely that even the exceptions will follow that rule.

BTW when you moved River Sinn to Sinn River you stated this was standard disamb for German rivers. You said yourself that the Wiki policy accepts both and AFAIK there is no clear German policy, so wasn't that a bit naughty?! I suggest we leave the titles as they are until a clear policy is agreed, preferably X (river), which is neutral. Gruß, Paul. --Bermicourt (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Modification of Charente and Charente-Maritime stubs in France
Hello, You created many stubs of France maybe automatically. The problem is that all stubs for Charente and Charente-Maritime departments shoud read "southwestern", not "western". Could you repair it by a robot (or have it repaired ?) - at least those that are nearly empty. Regards, Jack ma (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you consider that the centre of mainland France is somewhere near Saint-Amand-Montrond, in the Cher department (according to French wikipedia), the location of the departments Charente and Charente-Maritime is more accurately described as "western France" than "southwestern France". I would call Biarritz, Pau and Bordeaux southwest, not La Rochelle (Charente-Maritime). Markussep Talk 17:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. The problem is that there are other factors than pure geometry. According to what you say, Dordogne or Gironde would be "west", too. Traditionally, Charente and Charente-Maritime have always been in what we call "South-west": the daily Sud-Ouest covers both departments, also names of companies, or contents of books can proove it. The "boundary" is just at the north of these 2 departments: above, West begins (or "Centre-West"): Poitou, Pays-de-la Loire, Brittany... People who live in Charente, like me, know it. It has also a matter to do with "hydrological basins", climates, vegetation, architecture, and human factors... Most of other French people just don't know that fact either: this is a (little) problem with Wikipedia: sometimes articles local to an area are made by people not really knowing this area (Charentes). Because it is not much known, probably. Google gives you 975,000 answers with "Charente + sud-ouest" and 500,000 with "Charente +ouest -sud". The other "difficulty" is that this boundary "south-west/west" is in the middle of the administrative region "Poitou-Charentes" (Poitou is Centre-West, Charentes are South-West), but that's it! I hope that these 70,000 pages (or more) can be changed at once by a robot. Otherwise, we have to rely on luck, and time... Thanks anyway. Jack ma (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * 70,000 pages??? I would call Gironde and Dordogne southwest (I gave the example of Bordeaux), but I'm a bit hesitant about the Charentes. BTW I didn't create most of those articles, I see Ksnow and Dr. Blofeld have been adding the "western" part in April 2008. Anyway, the change can be done using AWB (I did so for the communes of Loire-Atlantique, someone called that northwestern France). Before I do it, I do need more proof, perhaps some references to books or reliable websites. Is there a clear definition of southwestern France, maybe in French reference works, or encyclopedias? Markussep Talk 09:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooops, sorry! maybe (more than) 700 (approximate number of stubs in both departments if I'm correct, without counting the rivers). Unfortunately, there is no clear definition of these areas in France; only human use. I can give you reliable reference for southwest, but (so-called) reliable references exist for west (or even centre-west), too, but a large majority of cases give Charentes into south-west. The dailies are reliable prooves. In Poitou (just North of the Charentes), the daily is "Nouvelle République du Centre-Ouest" (and the Charentes: "Sud Ouest"). Another reliable proof would be that Angoulême is traditionally called "balcon du sud-ouest". But here is a citation of a book: Villes, régions et universités, by Raymond Hudon, Jean-Pierre Augustin (2005), p.165 (Maison des Sciences de l'Homme d'Aquitaine, Presses de l'Université Laval)
 * ... tandis qu'au nord les deux départements des Charentes - traditionnellement tournés vers la Gironde - ont été rattachés au Poitou, le rayonnement de Bordeaux dépasse les limites de l'Aquitaine administrative dans une configuration appelée le plus souvent "Sud-Ouest" (à l'image de la zone de diffusion sur huit départements du quotidien du même nom), tandis que, curieusement, l'appellation "Grand Sud-Ouest" déplace le centre de gravité de Bordeaux à Toulouse.... NB: La Rochelle is at the extreme north-west of the Charentes. Jack ma (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I've replaced western with southwestern in all articles for communes in the Charentes. I may have missed one or two, but I got the other 850. Markussep Talk 20:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot ! Jack ma (talk) 05:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Welcome! Let me know if you find anything else. Markussep Talk 07:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Infobox map for french stubs
Hello Markussep, Could you modify the default map for InfoBoxes of France stubs (e.g. Périgueux), in order to show the departments, like on the fr:wiki ? In fact, it is File:Carte France geo.png since 2008. Thanks, Jack ma (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Jack, a disadvantage of the map you suggested is that Corsica is not on it. I think this one is better: 270px. I viewed it at 270px width, like it will be in the infobox, looks good to me. If you like it, you can suggest it at Template talk:Infobox French commune. Markussep Talk 10:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. It looks good to me, too, and I am going to suggest it. Jack ma (talk) 11:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

River naming convention
Yes I agree with you, Markus. If we have to disambiguate river names then XXX (river) is probably best because: a) rivers are most often referred to just by their name, b) it avoids the US v. Rest of the World debate (XXX River v. River XXX), c) it avoids the need for DEFAULTSORT and d) it lines up nicely with de.wiki practice (XXX (Fluss)) which aids rapid translation and linking. What we have at the moment is unsatisfactory because, although Wikipedia officially accepts XXX River and River XXX as valid and does not officially favour one over the other, in practice there is a creeping Americanisation of the naming of European rivers. I recently had someone else change XXX (river) to XXX River. So how do we take this forward? (And let's just concentrate on Germany, or Europe at most). --Bermicourt (talk) 16:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think what we should do is read the old naming discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Naming and find the arguments pro and contra parentheses and the current convention. We should have strong arguments to restart the discussion. The main question is: what is common English usage? About your arguments: "a" is also the main argument for me, but we should prove it in English usage; "b" that's how we started our discussion, so I suppose it's a valid argument; "c" not so relevant IMO; "d" irrelevant IMO. About concentrating on specific areas: I guess you're right, we should focus on Europe (except UK and Ireland), with Germany and France probably the easiest to change. Markussep Talk 09:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

German pin maps
Hi. I noticed we have some new locators like File:Schleswig-Holstein location map.svg. What would you say about using regional pin locators in the infoboxes? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I've created the maps, see Category:Germany location map templates. Perhaps we could reprogramme the infobox to read the state e.g Bavaria and automatically use Template:Location map Germany Bavaria.svg etc. I think better detail is given on regional maps although the national map is very useful but you can see where it is nationally anywway when you click on the globe. Maybe two pin maps would bloat the box. I definately think using the regional maps would be an improvement though. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

A response? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not impatient. Its just when I log in I check my messages first!! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 11:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't require much effort. All it would need is to reprogramme the template to read the region it is in and then use the relative svg map for a locator. I'll make a proposal on the template page and notify the others. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Meran
Merano was just moved; would you mind taking a look at the above section and see if I have misstated the compromise come to long ago or the evidence on usage? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A prudent and sensible resolution; do keep an eye on it, if not too painful. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 12:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Belgian location map
Hi. Can you point me to somebody who can edit Template:Infobox Belgium Municipality and add a Template:Location map Belgium so it reads the coordinates naturally in the box and features under the municipal maps? E.g Kaprijke. None of the Belgian locations actually illustrate where in Belgium it is! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh we used to have one? I'll look into it. Enjoy your break. Hey see if you can take some photos of Macedonia and Albania, especially those municipalities you started back last year!! I'll try to fill in your boots with France a bit while you are away although I also have Spain to sort out infoboxes with! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Phew, I've done it! Took a bit of trial and error but I figured it out. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

River naming convention
Hi Markussep. As you suggested, I have proposed the use of "XXXX (river)" on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers and we'll see where it goes. Gruß! Bermicourt (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It's already generating some support, including from our "French" colleagues! --Bermicourt (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why You changed Leine in the Lutter article. It seems Your change is contrary to what You are advocating.Kdammers (talk) 10:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Population of Greek peripheries and prefectures
Hi, I don't know if you are the right person to ask, but since I saw you had added the infobox on the article Crete back in January 2006, I thought you might know. The English wikipedia is using population numbers from 2005 for greek peripheries and prefectures, while most other languages are using the data from the 2001 census. I was wondering what the source for the 2005-numbers is, since, as far as I can see, there hasn't been a general census since 2001. The reason I ask, is that at the Norwegian wp we are using the 2005-numbers as well, obviously copied from the English version, but I will change them to the 2001-numbers unless I find a good source for the numbers used here. If you don't know, maybe you know som user I can ask. Best regards, Wikijens (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Lemke (Niederhausen)
You created Marklohe; could you take a look at this new stub I banged together? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Danke schoen von Milwaukee. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Vlore
Hi there,

Seeing that you have participated in the name debate over this city in the past, I was wondering if you would be interested in doing so again, in light of the fact that new evidence has been brought forward at Talk:Vlorë. --Athenean (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

River naming
Markussep, I think we have sufficient consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers to press ahead with your suggested river naming convention for German rivers i.e. XXXX is preferred, but if disambiguation is required we use XXXX (river). This also make translating articles much easier because we simply replace (Fluss) with (river). My proposal is we amend the convention at WikiProject Rivers and WikiProject Germany/Conventions and then gradually tidy up the river names accordingly. Are you okay with that? --Bermicourt (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

It's good to see common sense prevailing over this issue - thank you for the suggestion and your support. I see you have started to move some of the articles already - good! Question: how do you do this if there is already a redirect from XXXX (river)? I thought only an admin could do that? --Bermicourt (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Roger. Would you like to be an admin?! I'd vote for you! --Bermicourt (talk) 12:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Holiday
Hello! have a nice holiday in Albania? Uploaded pics yet? I've been expanding a few of the French communes like Noirmoutier-en-l'Île anyway... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool, rural Albania much like Croatia and Montenegro is supposed to be very beautiful, quite different from the way a lot of people think of it, I'm sure. Glad you enjoyed it. I've done a bit of cleanup on the Macedonian towns since you went away too. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

German-River list
I had put the Lutter in, but when I saw " For clarity, only rivers that are longer than 50 km (or have longer tributaries) are shown" in the article intro, I removed it. I'm in favor of including all rivers (there are a number of streams that I worked very hard on getting right and putting in that all got deleted some months ago), but what do we do about that intro statement? Kdammers (talk) 10:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Triandafillea vs. Triantafyllia
The Wikipedia does not use the "correct" name for article titles, it uses the name in current English usage. Both Fallingrain.com and the International Gazateer at GNIS use See "Triandafilléa". --Bejnar (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason I moved the article is because I suspect that the spelling with -llea is a mistake, since the Greek name ends with -λλιά. It wouldn't be the first error GNS makes. I think Fallingrain took its database from GNS. The transliteration according to the naming conventions for Greek names (WP:GREEK) would be Triantafyllia. If English usage (apart from GNS-based databases, like the ones used by weather sites and some hotel booking sites) is in favour of Triandafillea, we should use that of course. BTW I just checked raw google, Triantafyllia is far more popular than the other possibilities. Markussep Talk 14:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you about transliteration, but correct transliteration isn't our goal. Fallingrain may have used GNS, but it also contains variation from GNS.  For example, Fallingrain often has alternative names that are not listed at GNS.  Google can be deceptive, for place names I prefer looking at specific entries in Google Books/Google scholar where possible, and also at guidebooks. It is too easy to have false drops, like personal names and uninformed transliterations/translations.  But there is support for "Triantafyllia". For example, I see that The Greeks in Australia by Anastasios M. Tamis page 66 uses Triantafyllia for the Florina mountain town.  I'll take a look through some others. --Bejnar (talk) 14:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Makry Gialos and Makriyialos
These two articles have been up for merger for a long time. What do you think? My view is that they should be merged. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will merge them - the text at Makriyialos seems to be taken from the longer article anyway - but before I do, what are your views on the name of the article itself? The location is quite well known among UK-based tourism operators, who tend to use either Makrigialos  or (less often) Makriyialos .  The references to the archaeological site tend to be to Makriyialos.  The form Makry Gialos seems to be used mainly on sites hosted in Greece, such as  (which states "You also can find in books and maps different spellings of the name like; Makrigialos, Makrygialos, Makri Gialos, Makry-Gialos, Makri-Gialos, Makriyalos, Makris Gialos, but the correct way is in two words: MAKRY GIALOS.") and, but is less often used in the UK.  There is no specific guidance at WP:NCGN on Greek names.  I would probably prefer to use either Makriyialos or Makrigialos for the article - obviously with redirects and notes in the article text - but if you have a strong opinion to the contrary please let me know.  Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS - I've just found that NGA seems to use Makriyialos. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. In that case, do you think that Makry Gialos should be used for the municipality, and Makrygialos rather than Makriyialos for a separate article covering both the modern village and the archaeological site? To me, that would seem odd as neither form seems to be the most often used on English language hosted (UK- or US-based) sites.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK - so we stick to a single article at Makry Gialos, which covers the municipality, the modern village, and the archaeological site, yes? I'll merge the Makriyialos article into the longer one, and make a few edits for clarification.  I think I should also move this discussion to the article talk page, for future reference.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello. I was wondering if you could edit the Greek settlement infobox so the timezone and altitude is at the bottom as normal. Is there a reason why timezone or altitude has priority over say population or area? Perhaps you could move the two to the bottom above the codes and change it to "Other". Himalayan   18:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hokay thanks, have you posted your Albanian photos yet? I'm eager to see them! There are also images to upload from Albania from a flickr user called CharlesFred, the late Dr. Blofeld made a flickr agreement with them a while back. I did upload some of Macedonia the other day... Himalayan   18:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks nice, looks a lot like the streets of a Macedonian town I uploaded. You'll be pleased to know I'm back on the case with the French communes anyway, I've expanded a few to DYK of late.. Himalayan   21:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well so far I've uploaded Kratovo, Macedonia. Himalayan   09:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Una rivers in Brazil
I've checked your four new stubs on Brazilian Una rivers, only to find that they are pretty meager, and also that there are actually two Una rivers in Bahia. All of these seem fairly insignificant and their articles are trivial compared to the existing Una River article (about the 200km long river in .hr and .ba), so please either expand the new articles much further or revert the move, instead using partial disambiguation (on top of the existing article which would stay in the old place). --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 09:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, that makes more sense. I'm going to add the other Portuguese intl links. I'm not sure about the title for the Una (Sava), but that's secondary now. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Fintel (disambiguation)
I have nominated Fintel (disambiguation), an article that you created, for deletion, because two of the three items on the disambiguation page have no links (see Disambiguation dos and don'ts). The full nomination is located at Articles for deletion/Fintel (disambiguation). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. -M.Nelson (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Intercommunality links in French communes
I have been taking out the links on these and the cantons because I had thought you had tweaked the template to automatically link to the page, if it existed. Is this not right? Ksnow (talk) 15:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)Ksnow
 * For the time being, I will stop removing links from interocmmunal entities that have a page, and just shorten the name with a pipe. Let me know what you decide.  I'm fine with anything except having only one of the ugly acronyms.  Ksnow (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)Ksnow

French communes
Thank you for the information. I was unaware of it. Regards Bwmoll3 (talk) 17:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Brussels naming conventions
It seems we've almost reached a consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Belgium/Brussels_naming_conventions. Please comment on the proposal for double names and in the poll on which name should be first in the lead and infobox when there is no English name. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 19:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

 * It's fine to copy the French infoboxes, but I don't see the need to document the field names there. maybe a separate section? incidentally is there a list of outstanding infoboxes to be transferred? Rich Farmbrough, 11:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC).
 * I have restored them. Rich Farmbrough, 11:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC).

Looks like there's about 13000 to do. WikiProject French communes/Status/Detail. There are four categories of things to be done to import a box:
 * 1) cut and paste it.
 * 2) do some fixes  that I already have scripted (most of the parameter re-names, removing "m" form elevations, removing " " from hectares)
 * 3) do some fixes I haven't got scripted (like removing a second co-ord template)
 * 4) Fix the subdivison redlinks

and of course

5. things we haven't thought of.

I suggest that the redlinks are fixed by creating redirects. this cuts down on the amount of work hugely. Rich Farmbrough, 17:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC).
 * OK I'm copying them over 500 at time. I will then run clean-up on them in batches of 500 too. The first 20 or so seem good. the first batfh is listed at User:Rich Farmbrough/temp36, any comments welcome. Rich Farmbrough, 17:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks,. the first 500 were sweet as a nut, then I started to get errors from WP (i.e. I couldn't do any more) - I put it down to server load. Rich Farmbrough, 10:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC).

An idea ?
Salut Markussep, I put a little sentence in each commune along the course of a river (example), but I have a problem with the Ailette (river), here 49.46667°N, 3.67083°W; we have an article le Lac d'Ailette and I don't know, with my poor english, what to do. Create lac d'Ailette? ; the leisure resort is located on the southeastern bank of the lake. Don't worry, if you have no idea, no time or if you don't understand my question, it's no big deal ;D Merci d'avance. Alvar ☮ 's saloon. 14:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC) Merci pour ta réponse... perhaps we could rename Le Lac d'Ailette (with a L at Lac, the name of the holiday village on the official website) into Lac de l'Ailette thus we could put the infos about the holiday village as a section of the new article ? My question is more about local policies, I don't know if an article can be categorized in lake and in Holiday village; and the big Template:Center Parcs impresses me a lot ! Alvar ☮ 's saloon. 15:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * PS : the holiday village is not very notable... the lake neither ;D

Merci. So, I'll create the article about the lake, dès que je pourrai (as soon as I have time ?). Ciao. Alvar ☮ 's saloon. 15:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Yes I can see. Only sometime its OK and sometimes not. Very odd. Rich Farmbrough, 21:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Magenta, Marne seems fine for example. Rich Farmbrough, 21:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC).

I'll be testing on those few articles until I crack it. I could fix them up when I do the other fixes, but that is a last resort. Rich Farmbrough, 21:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC).
 * I missed your note yesterday, but I had already spotted the "of" problem, they should all be fixed. And someone  else drew my attention to the spaces in the population field, again easy to take care of.  The lone "m" in the elevations is I suppose "facultatif" but it too can go. Rich Farmbrough, 09:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC).

I wonder if you can confirm that no regions apart from Lorraine and Auvergne need disambiguation? I noticed also that there are some articles with images appended to the "name" parameter, as well as refs tacked on to various fields. We can pick these up with various methods, maybe after the next database dump. Rich Farmbrough, 15:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC).
 * There's about 62 61 left, these are mostly islands, some are not communes and need a category fix, some appear to be communes anciens the we unsourcedly state are re-instated and so forth. If you can deal with these and give me a shout  if there are any where you have cut and pasted the templates,  i can run clean-up/translation on them.  My only slight concern at the moment is that there may be some intercommunalities with "Canton d'" in the name that I have replaced with "Canton of".  Rich Farmbrough, 12:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC).

Comment
Can I get your comment/opinion in the piping of Infobox Peri GR with Infobox Settlement? El Greco(talk) 21:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

From TFD
since it's completely unrelated to the deletion discussion, I'll answer you here:

You're right about the commas, what I mean is that you should have cleaned up infobox errors after you edited the template.
 * Before TFD'ing the template? That's against every guideline ever written! What if the discussion is closed as "keep"?

I think the procedure is a bit strange: you converted the template to a wrapper for Infobox settlement on 29 September, and the same day you proposed it for deletion, because it's only a wrapper for Infobox settlement.
 * I never claimed anything like that.

I haven't seen any prior discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Frankfurt or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Germany.
 * So what?--Iwillremembermypassthistime (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The previous revision of Frankfurt Stadtteil didn't use automatic units conversion at all, so if the discussion is closed as keep all the commas that according to you I should have removed would have to be restored... it would be an incredible waste of time. For the other matter, there are a number of infoboxes that make extensive use of custom fields and regional terms that a generic infobox cannot replicate. I think we both agree this isn't the case for infobox peripheries.--Iwillremembermypassthistime (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox French commune
It would be great if you could comment here. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Invitation
Thanks! Sebastian scha. (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I noticed your edits to several Hamburg-related articles (and your good work on the location template of course), thank you very much. May I invite you (to fill the participants list *smile*)? Cheers. Sebastian scha. (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for inviting me, but I'm not a specialist on Hamburg. I do plan to check the infoboxes of the boroughs and quarters of Hamburg (and Dresden, and Berlin) when the infobox templates are merged. Markussep Talk 18:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't need to be a specialist, although the range of articles is wide. Thanks for the response. Cheers. Sebastian scha. (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
I don't know if you like those stars, but I think you definitely need one. Here you are!

Hungarian/Slovakia names (geographical and biographical) - thanks for the link
Thanks for adding the link to User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment at User_talk:Feri-Feró. I am sure these edits were in good faith and certainly there is a need for improvement there The Hungarian County articles certainly are in need of improvement in this area, and User:Monkap are slowly going through them adding information from the Hungarian and trying to keep NPOV, which is not always simple because for example if translating from HU:WP there seems to me an inevitable bias towards the Hungarian view of things, which is not intentional I am sure. While in purely geographical articles this generally trivial and is easily fixed, it can be I think genuinely contentious in political, historical or biographical articles (all four are often interrelated, of course).

Given more time I would have reverted the articles and then fixed up with, as best I could, the correct language tags etc, but primarily I wanted to get back to a reasonable starting point rather than spend a lot of time doing so and be unsurprised if any edits I made after reversion were themselves then reverted anyway. i.e. I wanted to achieve consensus.

In the talk page given above, it suggests before 1918. Why then? I would have thought it made more sense to make the cutoff the 1920 Treaty of Trianon.

Anyway, I strongly agree the sentiment to have a common area to discuss these kind of things for Slovakia and Hungary, and probably Romania too. (I am not sure if it is worth adding e.g. Serbia to that list right now.) But I think it perhaps unhelpful to have those recommendations tucked away in a user talk page?

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 09:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Czechoslovakia was de facto independent since 1918, that's why 1918 was chosen. No big deal IMO, those two years. The plan was to move the naming conventions to a more visible place, but the initiative has gone into sleeping mode. Actually, that's a good sign: there's much less edit warring about Slovakia now. Since I started or expanded most of the former county articles, I'm interested in your plans with the articles. Unfortunately I don't speak Hungarian, so I can't really help translating. Markussep Talk 10:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Voskopojë
How can I ask for arbitration regarding Moscopole --> Voskopojë move? Guildenrich (talk) 14:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

River naming conventions, in particular, Piedra River (Spain)
Question -  From what I understand, Piedra is a hair disease.  Does Piedra (Spain) refer to a Spanish hair disease?  I'm not trying to be cute or pose a challenge, but the title Piedra River or River Piedra seems a more logical descriptive title.  Are we dropping the word "river" from river article titles?  I reviewed the WP:RIVERS you referenced and haven't found a clear answer, although there is quite a bit there to chew through.  Please explain why Piedra (Spain) is a better title than Piedra River or River Piedra.  Thanks :-)    Gjs238 (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, the section I was referring to is WP:RIVERS. "River" is not part of the name of the river for many rivers, therefore the "natural" title for this article would be "Piedra". Since there's already the disease and a Piedra River in Colorado (where apparently the word "River" is part of the name), the disambiguator is Spain. I had never heard of that disease before, BTW. Markussep Talk 16:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What about Jalón (river)? Should that be Jalón (Spain) as well?  (PS: Let's try to keep the thread on one talk page)  Gjs238 (talk) 18:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If there's no other (notable) river named Jalón the article can stay at the current title. In the dab page another (smaller) river Jalón is mentioned, but that's also called Gorgos (es:Gorgos) or Xaló. Markussep Talk 12:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocking pages about South Tyrol avoiding vandalism
Hello Markussep, I would like to know if it's possible to block all pages edited by Kellyempire and his friends.

We need to stop vandalism of south tyrolean pages

Let me know how we can do it!

By the way I had to revert page "South Tyrol" back to version of 5 November as there where a lot of vandalisms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp4rr0W (talk • contribs) 22:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Infobox German location
Hi Markussep! This is Paine Ellsworth. Just to let you know... 2 things. Best of everything to you and ''' H APPY H OLIDAYS ! ''' &mdash;   Ellsworth's   Climax   07:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) the German location infobox was altered today and the coordinates are now up by the map, and
 * 2) if you'll check out the Essen, Germany article, you can see what can be done if you like to see the coordinates in the title.  I entered the  template near the TOP.

Hi again! Just to illustrate what I talked about on my talk page, I added the "display=it" back into the sandbox of this template. You will be able to see on the testcases page that it doesn't look good across all skins. The coordinates appear twice in the infobox in the MySkin and the Simple skins, they don't show anywhere in the top of the Nostalgia skin version, and the title coordinates conflict with lines in the Modern and the Vector skins. So I'll leave it up to you whether or not to switch back to the "display=it" (inline and title) command. Remember, the most important thing is for the articles to look good in the Monobook skin, which I'll admit, it does look okay in Monobook. Monobook is the skin that all readers use who do not have a Wikipedia account and are not logged in. And once again,  H APPY S INTERKLAAS  to you! &mdash;  Ellsworth's   Climax   11:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian/Slovakia geographical names
Hi I see you keep deleting my addings of Hungarian place names to articles regarding territories which belong to the Republic of Slovakia and Romania. As the territory of Slovakia and Transylvania (Romania) is the homeland of more than 2 million Hungarians, and many people looking for information in English may be interested in the articles related to these regions as having Hungarian or German roots or friend etc., and also just for the sake of making a reference to the multi-ethnic character of these Central-European regions, it is always informative to give the relevant information in alternatives placenames as well. This is part of what called multiculturalism. If Gdank/Danzig or Bombay/Mumbai is accepted, why Leva / Levice is a problem for you? For those interested in the history or geographics of thisn particular region, the double naming Cluj / Kolozsvár has the same relevance of that of Dantzig / Gdansk for orhers. I will feel free to revert your unreasonable changes as I did every effort to be in line with your request to make clear which geographical name in Romanian belong to the Hungarian equivalent. As you referred to the accepted rules, may I quota them, too:

"Treatment of alternative names ... There is also no reason why alternative names cannot be used in article text in contexts where they are more appropriate than the name used as the title of the article. For example, the city now called Gdańsk is referred to as Danzig in historical contexts where that name is more suited (e.g. when it was part of Germany or a Free City). All significant alternative names or forms of names that apply to a specific article should be made to redirect to that article...

and

Multiple local names There are cases in which the local authority recognizes equally two or more names from different languages, but English discussion of the place is so limited that none of the above tests indicate which of them is widely used in English; so there is no single local name, and English usage is hard to determine. Experience shows that the straightforward solution of a double or triple name is often unsatisfactory; there are all too many complaints that one or the other name should be first. We also deprecate any discussion of which name the place ought to have. We recommend choosing a single name, by some objective criterion, even a somewhat arbitrary one. Simple Google tests are acceptable to settle the matter, despite their problems; one solution is to follow English usage where it can be determined, and to adopt the name used by the linguistic majority where English usage is indecisive. This has been done, for example, with the communes of the province of Bolzano-Bozen, based on an officially published linguistic survey of the area (see Italy below). In some cases, a compromise is reached between editors to avoid giving the impression of support for a particular national point of view. For example, the name Liancourt Rocks has been adopted rather than select either the Korean or Japanese name for the feature. Similarly, Wikipedia's version of the Derry/Londonderry name dispute has been resolved by naming the city page Derry and the county page County Londonderry.

Hi, I see from your contributions that you are dedicated to geography and not to placenaming privileges of dominant ethnies so I decided not to revert your edits, for the time being :). However, I do not agree with you on some points. Firstly, when we speak about Transylvanian villages on the bank of the river, in most cases we can not speak about an accepted English form at all. Nor in the case of Reghin which historically was a German town. Secondly, in an article where 70% of the information is constituted by long and sometimes incomplete lists of placenames often linked to 1 sentence stubs, another list of Hungarian placenames would only add to the existing information, if edited properly. This was what I tried to do upon your first revert edit. I would also like to mention, that unlike in case of South-Tirol, there are not specific conventions for placename usage for Hungary, Slovakia and Romania, although the number of Germans is less than 300.000 in a country of almost 60 million, while the number of Hungarians in Slovakia is almost 600.000 with 4.8 million Slovakians ( minus a roma community of another 600.000) while in Transylvania 1.5 million. Not to mention, since the Slovakian Language Law was adopted it is the official policy of Slovakia to ban or restrict on the public usage of Hungarian geographical names. So, you will probably find edits which will insert Hungarian placenames wherever it seems appriopriate. Of course, neither me nor others are intended to infuriate neutral editors or readers by finding themselves staggering across unreadable Hungarian placename edits, but we consider that with respect to regions where local population is partly or almost wholly Hungarian, reference be made to these placenames too. So, I take a time-out and think what to do with Mures. Constructive advice is appreciated. Kind regards--Rokarudi 19:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokarudi (talk • contribs)