User talk:NoorStores

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November 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "NoorStores", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it is the name of a company. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 12:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Tacyrag, my given name is Noor. 30 years ago, just after I was born, my father opened his first shop, a general store, and named it after me. It kept the name even after my father sold it. It closed recently so I picked it for my editing name as a tribute. I'm sorry this is a problem and will start a new account. yours, Noor NoorStores (talk) 14:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Coming back to this - thanks for your explanation about your username. Given what you've said and that you are not using your account to make promotional edits, I don't think it's a problem at all and retract my comment above about you possibly needing a new username. Thanks again. Tacyarg (talk) 09:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see why it might have been a problem now! But I'm working in a really different area, as you say, so hopefully it won't confuse anyone. Thank you so much and I will keep my name. I like it! NoorStores (talk) 11:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Tacyarg. I noticed that you recently removed content from Kate Clanchy without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 12:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * thank you, I will add the reference NoorStores (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please make sure that text you add to articles is supported by references. I have removed "was much discussed and republished" from Kate Clanchy as it was not supported by the reference. Tacyarg (talk)
 * Hi, I see that all your edits have been to do with Kate Clanchy - either on the article about Clanchy, or people who have criticised her. Are you Clanchy, or do you know, work for or represent her? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 08:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Tacyarg,No I'm not Kate Clanchy and I'm not working for her either. I was taught by her on a Creative Writing course 5 years ago. I doubt she would remember me, but she was exceptionally kind and sensitive to my postition as the only Asian woman on the course. That encounter led me to study her controversy as part of my PhD thesis on contemporary publishing, so I came to know a lot about it. The references to her on Wiki are very outdated and lots of them are contentious and not sourced or just not clear at all, so I thought I would clean up the page. Looking up all her books etc is quite a long task but this way I can be sure of my facts as I teach myself to edit Wiki. I hope this will help me with future employment. Thanks for your interest. NoorStores (talk) 09:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's very clear. I'm slightly concerned that the article about her now no longer refers to the nature of the controversy at all, but will leave it for a bit and see what other editors think. Tacyarg (talk) 09:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks Tacyarg, I think that's because I've cut out claims I know for sure don't have evidence - so they are contentious or libellous - but not built back content to replace it. I guess that's becasue I'm not confident enough at wiki yet. Thanks for the tip and I will get on to it. NoorStores (talk) 09:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Tacyrag, I've put back the content now, updated with lots of references which actually work! I really feel I'm learning so much from this process and I'm hoping to be able to write my own page soon. Thanks so much for all your tips and corrections, you are really teaching me a lot. NoorStores (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Article is looking good, thanks for all your work on it. I have just done some minor copyedits (mainly punctuation) and also changed some external links to sites outside Wiki to references. External links should not be in the body of the article, only in an EL section at the end, and the ones that were there work reasonably well as references instead. There's guidance here if you want to have a look.
 * One of the books is referred to twice, making it sound as if she received an award for it then wrote it, so don't know if you want to have a look at that? "In 2009 she won both the VS Pritchett and BBC National Short Story Award for The Not Dead and the Saved. This was followed by a novel, Meeting the English, which was shortlisted for the Costa Prize, and a collection of short stories, The Not Dead and the Saved". Is it because she won the award for the story then published it in a collection?
 * Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Tacyarg,
 * That's brilliant, thanks so much. I was aware something was going wrong with the references yesterday, so I took the tutorial and I think I've learned it. I was going to go back and fix the mistakes so thank you so much for doing that for me, it's so helpful.
 * The short story and the short story collection have the same name. It took me ages to realise this too. I wil add in 'with the same name' to make it clearer for everyone else.
 * Again, thank you, I didn't realise Wikiediting had such great support. It's so encouraging. NoorStores (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You mention above that you're teaching yourself to edit Wikipedia, so please take the time to teach yourself how to format references properly. You've added a large number of "Bare URL" sources to the four articles you've worked on. Basically, the reference as seen in the "Reference list" should look like the sort of reference you'd have included in your thesis: author, title, work (even if a Newspaper), date, etc. If it's an online source, there should be a link to it, with the "access-date" to show the date you consulted it online (unless it's a fixed publication like a book, which won't change; even newspaper articles can change). There are various ways to format this, depending on which editing tools you are using - but one approach, as with much else in editing, is to look at an existing well-formatted reference in the page and copy its format. See Citing sources for more advice. Thanks.
 * And thanks for the explanation above: I had seen your edits and was worried about the apparently one-sided nature of your changes to the articles on Clanchy, Rajesh, Singh and Suleyman, and wondered what relationship you might have with Clanchy. Pam  D  15:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In some cases you have undone other editors' work: compare the well-formatted reference 12 of this version of 1 Sept 2021 with the bare URL ref 10 of this version of today after your editing. Please take more care of our precious encyclopedia, and don't inadvertently damage it while making your edits. Thanks. Pam  D  15:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Pam, that reference was removed before I started editing. It was not me who took it down. I have restored the quotation and was in the process of restoring the quotation when you sent your messages. NoorStores (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Pam, I will work on this. I had a problem when copying references from my thesis index where the software seemed to conflict with wiki and the process seized up.
 * I very much hope my edits are not one sided. However, I believe the previous versions were this way. There were also many deadlinks.  Therefore I have tried to add edits and updates to the discussion and many references and to use neutral language. That way I hope readers can access the full picture. Thank you for your thoughts. NoorStores (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You have been editing for 10 days and adding unformatted references all that time. Please take the time to learn how to format them. Other editors should not still need to clean up after your edits. Thanks. Pam  D  15:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please remember that everything in Wikipedia must be content which is published in reliable independent published sources, and not informed by an editor's own knowledge unless this is supported by references. I cannot see anything in the Guardian 10th August article to support the statement "Suleyman accused Clanchy of racism", yet it is cited as the source for that sentence. Pam  D  15:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Pam. Again, I was working from previous versions of the page and trying to restore balance. I'll work on a better version once I have worked on my reference making. Thank you for your help. It's very much appreciated. NoorStores (talk) 15:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In this edit you removed, again, a sourced quote which I had replaced after it was removed without any explanation. Your edit summary was the inaccurate " insert italics correct typos". Please take more care to make sure that your edit summaries reflect, and explain, your edits. Why do you so much want to remove that quote? Pam  D  15:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With the greatest respect, Pam, you have misunderstood the situation. I am not removing the quote. I am putting it back. It was removed a while ago by a previous editor, not by me. I put it back to restore balance. Now, I'm struggling with recopying the reference. I expect I can learn if you give me a little time. Thanks so much for all your help. NoorStores (talk) 15:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, you mean the Laura Bates quotation. I simply thought it was very far outdated. NoorStores (talk) 15:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a newspaper, but an encyclopedia. There is no need to delete a quote because it was made weeks, years, or centuries ago. If you want to remove existing cited content, please always explain your reason in an edit summary, in particular not using a misleading edit summary as you did there. Thanks. Pam  D  16:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * as I said Pam, the reference was one already on the page. I have moved it now and I am trying to make learn the referencing technique. There is no bad faith here, I am simply trying to learn. Thank you for you all your help. If you give me a little time I will try to sort things out. NoorStores (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Without wishing to offend you Pam, and with genuine gratitude for corrections, might I ask you to check your unconscious bias? I've been very open on here about coming from an Asian background, being young, and that my father owned a shop. In that context, I'm afraid I am struggling with your phrase 'clean up after you' . I am not dirty or making dirt. I made a mistake with computer formatting. I am doing my best to fix it. NoorStores (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * all the URLs fixed now Pam, thanks for the learning process!
 * I do hope you will agree that the page is more balanced now.
 * wishing you a lovely evening. NoorStores (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In all the flurry of edits I didn't notice the above remark until just now. You are being oversensitive by suggesting that I consider you to be personally "dirty", or that I have any thoughts about your age, race, or parental background. The phrase "clean up" is standard terminology for fixing incorrect edits: bare URLs for references, references placed before punctuation, curly apostrophes instead of straight, all the little bits and pieces which a very new editor gets wrong but which an editor should be getting right more often after 100+ edits. Not physical dirt, nothing personal, but just incorrect edits which need to be corrected / fixed / cleaned up. "Other editors should not still need to clean up after your edits." doesn't say "clean up after you" but "clean up after your edits". I don't know anything about you as a person beyond what you stated above, somewhere, about "NoorStores" being your family business. I do know that editors should learn how to edit and do so carefully, eg not leaving spaces before references. Pam  D  19:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Pam,
 * I'm afraid it's not your place to tell me when to be sensitive or not about my race. Please consider your language more carefully
 * Noor NoorStores (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you "struggle" with the phrase "clean up after your edits" you may find Wikipedia an uncomfortable environment. I used the language which is commonly used by Wikipedia editors. You reacted by suggesting I was attacking you as personally dirty. That looks to me like oversensitivity. Pam  D  20:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You describe my comments as being "in the context" of you being young, Asian, and your father owning a shop. All irrelevant to me. My comments are in the context of you being a fairly new editor who has made a large number of edits and is still making a lot of mistakes, and who is perhaps using unreliable sources (as other editors have pointed out), and perhaps pushing a particular interpretation if events. Pam  D  20:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, Pam, it is not for you to decide on the appropriate sensitivity of a person of colour. I hope you can do some reflection. Peace, Noor NoorStores (talk) 22:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know my ethnicity or skin colour? Do you know that Belbury is male? I know they are an experienced editor who works on a wide range of topics, but no more than that. Pam  D  23:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Pam,
 * Whiteness in a place like this does not need to be declared.
 * I very much hope you will take the chance to reflect. I have asked, you, as kindly as I am able to consider unconscious bias. That is, prejudice you may not be aware of. I struggled with your comment that I expected to be 'cleaned up after'. For me it played into the stereotype both that Asian women are dirty and that they demanding princesses. It was an unnecessary comment: I was struggling hard to do all you asked and was clear about that. Now you have followed this comment with another that I don't belong here and that I am oversensitive. Perhaps you can see that these are not helpful comments in the circumstances.
 * Peace,
 * Noor NoorStores (talk) 07:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see Cleanup for the ubiquity of this term. Editors clean up to fix vandalism, carelessness, understandable mistakes by new editors, and many other problems.
 * I am not an administrator, but the symbol used on many admins' pages is a mop, and being an administrator is often referred to as "having the mop": this also indicates how often "cleaning up" is used in relation to the encyclopedia.
 * I have used the phrase "cleaned up after" for many years in discussing the edits of many editors, probably of a wide range of ages, ethnicities, nationalities, and genders - in most cases I haven't a clue about any aspect of their real life identity, I only know them as an editor who is careful or careless, edits on a wide range of topics or otherwise, is inexperienced or long-established, edits within Wikipedia's policies or not, and so on. Pam  D  08:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Pam,
 * I am sure that you strive to be fair. I can see how hard you work. I do not wish to upset you. But you have upset me. It was unnecessary to make your remark about cleaning up: I was already obeying you as fast I was able, and I found it insensitive. I have found your further remarks, that I don't belong here and am over sensitive on race, to be even more hurtful.
 * My identity is important to my area of study here and also to me personally whatever I am doing. I am simply asking you to include me by being sensitive to it.
 * Please don't reply to this instantly. Please take a moment to reflect.
 * With all good wishes
 * Noor NoorStores (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Monisha Rajesh. I don't know what you think you mean when you describe someone as a being "social media controversialist", but a statement like that needs a clear source. Belbury (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Sunny Singh (writer), you may be blocked from editing. WP:TWITTER should never be used as a source for a claim about a third party. Belbury (talk) 17:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr Belbury,
 * Your treatment of me is unreasonable. My work is not perfect and I am learning here, but is untrue that I have made poorly sourced claims or used twitter to make claims about a third party. I have not done this: I have used twitter only as extra back up to news stories. Your claims about my language are exaggerated and out of proportion. You have erased my work wholesale without giving reasons. And now you are threatening me.
 * You have stated that you had never heard of the subjects of my work until today. In that case, your animus must be against me as a person. This is very distressing for me. I am very upset. But, as you know nothing about me except that I am a young Asian woman, I'm afraid I must ask you to examine your unconscious bias.
 * I must ask you to about this carefully for the next few days. Ask yourself the question of why you felt such a strong motivation to attack someone you did not know over a topic you knew nothing about, drawn simply by her name and self-declared Asian identity? Why did your erase all her work in such a short time that you cannot possibly have read the citations? Why did you threaten to have her removed?
 * I will now withdraw for a few days. When I return, I hope to be able to move on with my editing project in a peaceful way. I am here in good faith to do good work. NoorStores (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Twitter cannot be used as a source for statements which do not appear in the news sources. You must stop restoring this content.
 * I have no animus against you, or against the subjects of the four biographies you are editing. I'm simply motivated by making sure that the rules for Wikipedia biographies are being followed.
 * What you characterise as a "threat" above is the standard Wikipedia template text for notifying users of Wikipedia's rules. If a user is repeatedly shown to be unwilling to follow the rules, their account may be blocked to prevent them from making further edits.
 * If you add a quote from Twitter to a biographical article again, where that quote has not been specifically covered in the press, you will be blocked from editing. Belbury (talk) 19:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have noted your reply and I am taking advice. I suggest you do the same. Your actions are not proportionate. NoorStores (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by suggesting I take advice? Belbury (talk) 19:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * completed thank you NoorStores (talk) 10:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Asking for more eyes
I'm concerned that the coverage of the controversy in all four articles is becoming excessive, and I'm not sure that Tweets and Youtube are appropriate as references. I've asked for more eyes on the articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women writers and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Pam D  09:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * thank you Pam, what a very helpful thought!
 * I'm sure I will learn a great deal from the input of senior editors.
 * Perhaps it might be a good idea to make a separate page? This would be an interesting project for me.
 * It is an issue which is still of current interest to many. NoorStores (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @NoorStores - I saw @PamD's post and the first thing that jumped out at me is that The Critic isn't a reliable source - there's a discussion about it's bias here (use 'find' to see the comment) since it was openly founded to stoke culture wars. I would remove the references to it's articles, and try to find more reliable sources to support the points. See Reliable sources Lajmmoore (talk) 10:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Lajmoore. I appreciate the thought.
 * I have removed The Critic article and replaced it with essays from Le Monde and the Financial Times. NoorStores (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Kate Clanchy
You say above that you once attended a creative writing course run by Clanchy, and considered her to be "exceptionally kind and sensitive". Please consider Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy when writing about a person you have a personal connection to, however remote.

You edits to remove the controversy section from her biography and then to rewrite it to be less clear about the nature of the criticism and her acceptance of it definitely seem to be in the "omitting negative information" zone of potential COI editing. Belbury (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Shurkran Belbury!
 * But you are not quite accurate in some of your adjustments! If you excuse me I will adjust the Sandeep Parmar reference. This essay was one chapter in my PhD.
 * Do you have a personal connection to Monisha Rajesh please? Because she is a most controversial character and now her page does not say this. I am not sure this is a neutral view when she has entered so many controversies and advertised this very widely. NoorStores (talk) 13:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, I will place this comment on the Monisha Rajesh page. NoorStores (talk) 13:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring over racist abuse "claims"
You must be aware that Wikipedia advises care when introducing the word "claim":


 * To say that someone asserted or claimed something can call their statement's credibility into question, by emphasizing any potential contradiction or implying disregard for evidence.

You have restored this perspective several times now on Kate Clanchy and other articles, in each case where the abuse is sourced as a plain fact. The Guardian says that the writers went on to receive racist abuse, the Bookseller refers to the abuse suffered by them; neither couches it as a questionable "claim".

Continuing to restore this framing to any of the four articles you are focused on may result in a block for Edit warring. Be aware that reverting the same content more than three times in a 24 hour period will result in an immediate block under WP:3RR.

If you take issue with the reliability of the press sources, please discuss this with other editors, perhaps at Talk:Monisha Rajesh where the topic has already been raised. Belbury (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you Mr Belbury, I will do so. NoorStores (talk) 13:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Mukahang Limbu
Hello! Thanks for getting in touch about your draft article, and I'm glad to see you are still active on Wikipedia.

Hmm ... Let me give this some thought. I'm not a very experienced draft reviewer, and wouldn't want to give the wrong advice. I'm also not sure you have submitted the draft for review, so I'll have a look at the templates later today.

Having said that - a couple of quick thoughts. You have one or two pieces of unsourced info: his date of birth, and the Guardian quote. Are you able to add references for these? I also wonder if this is too soon. I'm not sure that there is a clear case for notability, unless editorship of Isis and the Eric Gregory Award would be enough. The only reference you currently have which is not a primary source is the Sunday Times, which is 404ing for me; the Guardian would add another one. If you can get it up to 3 reviews in national media, he would be more likely to meet WP:AUTHOR.

Anyway, thanks for creating the draft, it's an interesting read, and I'll come back to it later today. Tacyarg (talk) 11:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Tacyarg,
 * Thank you so much for taking the time to look, it is much appreciated.
 * Yes I am still here on Wikipedia. I had two interviews before the holidays and my experience here was very important. I still did not get the job but I believe it would help me to have a published article. I am not clear if I have put my draft article up for review properly and am very grateful for advice in this area.
 * It is very interesting what is notable. I have one or two biographies of writers I would be interested to make articles for but I can see it is important to know what is important.
 * Mukahang Limbu is very young but he has an Eric Gregory Award and reviews in the Guardian and Sunday Times, also he has won the Outspoken Competition which is quite a big one. Many writers are old and do not achieve this!
 * I have put in the reference for his age. It is from the competition, I could not find another source except his Linkedin page which is not suitable.
 * thank you again
 * NOOR NoorStores (talk) 13:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hallo and a Happy New (editing) Year! I noticed this posting, and nosily had a look at Draft:Mukahang Limbu. I've done a bit of tidying up - sorted the format of the first sentence, moved punctuation to be before references in several places, combined a re-used ref and tweaked it a bit (not every ref needs an "author", if it's on a website where "publisher" is more useful), etc. I looked into the  Out-Spoken Prize for Poetry ... decided it wasn't this one, but added something about it to the section of Anthony Anaxagorou which discusses the press, and moved that into a new section. It seems to be "Out-Spoken Press", rather than "Outspoken Press", and I've made a redirect from its name and also added it to the dab page at Outspoken. Pretty typical Wikipedia rabbit-hole to fall down. on a rainy afternoon.
 * It's good to see you're still editing, and I'm sure you can contribute a lot with your knowledge of publishing. Happy Editing! Pam  D  18:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Pam,
 * Happy New Year to you. I hope you enjoyed some good choir singing in the Christmas season. Thank you so much for being so kind as to look at my article. I am very encouraged!
 * That is certainly the correct prize and I see have been spelling it OutSpoken including in my dissertation for several years. Very embarrassing! It is an interesting press and publishing a lot of new names ao it is good it has a Wikipedia section now.
 * Also I have made a note to check references come inside punctuation.
 * Do you think I can move this article out of draft? That would be exciting.
 * Noor NoorStores (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tomiwa Owolade (January 4)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Drmies was:

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 * The article has been resubmitted.
 * There are 32 citations to high-quality verifiable sources. 5 of them are by Olowade which is 16%. They are all necessary citations.
 * The language is neutral.
 * With respect I point out that being invited to take part in a National BBC Radio 4 documentary is not the same as 'resume style fluff' about a 'radio show'.
 * Inshallah after 7 months this article will be published. NoorStores (talk) 08:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Drmies Could you have another look at this now? It really doesn't seem particularly peacocky now, and there are many reliable independent sources. I've done some tidying up which, frankly, the original editor should have done (sorting out refs before punctuation, fixed nonstandard hierarchy of section headings, italicised a few newspaper titles etc), and added a totaly reliable source for him being an Orwell Prize judge, which is in itself an evidence of notability. I think this is now worthy of mainspace but as you've declined it at AfD so recently I'm reluctant to move it myself. Pam  D  09:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Pam and thank you so much for your support as ever. I am trying correct my references! I have a post-it on my screen now to remind me.
 * This wasn't my article to start with, but I believe it should be published. I can't see any peacock phrases either and he is notable in the UK for sure. NoorStores (talk) 10:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Saga Prize
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 * error corrected NoorStores (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * fixed NoorStores (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks so much Drmies, it made my day! NoorStores (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Belated Congrats
Hey there! Just sending a belated congrats for your recent article, Tomiwa Owolade. If you wanna create an article together, let me know. TheTeam219 (talk) 10:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * This is so lovely! Shukria!
 * Please would you to send a star to ! ! PamD. ? She was the clever one here! NoorStores (talk) 08:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Spread The Word
Hallo Noor, There was a link from Bernardine Evaristo to Spread the Word, which is not the intended London organisation. Looking at the incoming links I see at least two more which look as if they are aimed at the London thing, which doesn't have a Wikipedia page but might scrape enough notability (registered charity, Arts Council National Portfolio, various mentions ...). You might like to have a look: diversity in publishing, right up your street. It's an omission, and some incorrect links, needing to be fixed. But not to be confused with this lot. The Bookseller again too, for its "Case Closed" competition. Looks interesting. Pam D  08:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Pam I am aware of Spread the Word and wrote about it too. Sadly it went defunct three years ago but its influence lives on, so might be worth recording . NoorStores (talk) 09:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Society of Authors
Much of the content you have added to the Joanne Harris article would be suitable for the Society of Authors article which at present is VERY poorly sourced and outdated. Cheers. Theroadislong (talk) 09:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree. But it is so cooperate and bad and long i don’t know where to start. Maybe you would help me Pam? NoorStores (talk) 09:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not going to get involved in any contentious topics. I've given the article a little help by adding it to the SOA dab page, and reinstating a long-standing hatnote, reverting an odd change made in 2022 which might have been someone trying to make a point that it didn't act like a real trade union.
 * Good luck in having a go at that one. I might drop by and do some nitpicking - I'll add it to my watchlist for a month to see what happens!
 * Oh, and a reminder: if you want to be sure someone sees a message, use one of the templates like ping, rather than just mention their name in the flow of a voluminous talk page! Pam  D  19:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Goodbye or ...
@NoorStores (Just in case you're still reading this talk page) I'm sorry to see you go and sorry to read your message about your reasons for your departure. I hope that your fears about your future career are unfounded: I doubt very much that anyone to whom you apply for a job will think "ah, that's the person who got involved in a lot of Wikipedia editing coming to the defence of Kate Clanchy in 2023/4". It's a pity to be losing a literate, careful (mostly), UK-based, female, editor who obviously knows a lot about the UK literary scene and could have contributed a lot more.

Maybe take a breather and then come back, or just stay around but, as has been suggested before, step aside from Clanchy/Harris/SoA/etc: there are so many gaps in the encyclopedia that there's always something else to contribute to this infinite jigsaw puzzle.

But don't be tempted to set up a new username (as KZ did) unless you have very carefully looked at the WP:Clean start policy and are prepared to follow its rules. If you did decide to do so, it would be wise to wait until the COIN discussion has been formally closed, per the criteria. It might also be sensible to take the optional step of notifying one of the checkuser team, as discussed in the policy, to be on the safe side. The guideline tells editors making a clean start It is best that you completely avoid articles or topics that you previously edited, especially if you were involved in a dispute with another editor(s). I would interpret that as saying that you shouldn't edit anything connected with Clanchy/Harris/Pullman/SoA or the other authors involved in that controversy, and perhaps should avoid WP:COIN discussions, but that you would be fine to carry on editing on the rest of the UK publishing scene. But it might be worth checking that interpretation of mine: If you are unsure in a particular situation, you can ask a member of the Arbitration committee or the functionaries team for advice., and it might be as well to check before launching into anything remotely connected with UK publishing.

Or you could just decide to walk away from that group of articles, make a statement on your userpage and/or talkpage to announce that you're doing so (and to remind yourself and others that it's what you've decided to do), and get back to the joy of editing but in some other areas. Is there an article about your local mosque? If not, is it notable? How accurate, well-written, and well-sourced is en.wiki's coverage of your ancestral home area? Or the area where you now live? Some literary prize articles need updating for recent winners. Have you seen the [Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024 forthcoming backlog drive] to reduce the number of totally unsourced articles in Wikipedia? (And the list, at User talk:PamD, of unsourced women writers!) Any of those, or anything else, might lead you off down fascinating rabbit-holes of under-represented notable topics. I had a lovely sunny, frosty, walk on Hampstead Heath on Thursday (couple of hours spare before a hospital appt), and then found that we had almost nothing about The Hill Garden and Pergola: so far it's only a section in the HH article, but I might split it out to its own article eventually.

I'm sorry you've had a bruising time here so far in en.wiki, but I hope you'll change your mind again and stick around to help build this amazing encyclopedia. Good luck for the future, whether you stay away, or continue as NoorStores, or decided to reappear under a totally new identity. (When LittleFranzl first appeared, I confess I thought it might be yourself experimenting with other editors' reactions to an apparently male, probably white (Germanic), new editor! I'm still feeling disappointed that KZ created two sockpuppets, but willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they just didn't realise how strongly prohibited it was to do so.)

Good luck in the future, anyway. Pam D  14:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Care with references
Hallo Noor, I see you've made an edit to KC's page today to add a reference where there was "Citation needed" - but please have another look at that reference and fix it. You don't actually show what newspaper it was from. ... OK, I've gone and fixed it anyway, but please be more careful about adding references: don't trust any automated system to produce a good reference from a URL, but check it and fix it. (You had his surname as "Correspondent", and the date in all-numeric, as well as not mentioning The Times, and we needn't give the ISSN for a well-known newspaper).

Anyway, that said, welcome back and I hope you find some useful non-controversial editing to enjoy. I'm finding the current WP:FEB24 effort to clear the backlog of unreferenced articles quite addictive, having started by using WP:Petscan to find the intersection of Category:All articles lacking sources and Category:Mountains and hills of the United Kingdom, to several levels of subcategories, and then going off on related tangents. Pam D  00:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not coming back Pam. I'm sorry I was hasty yesterday. I can't be logged in for too long because I have had accounts hacked. It bothered me that I had left that reference red was all. NoorStores (talk) 09:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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