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Hey NA, I don't believe Articles for deletion/Phoebe Allen's Hummingbird Webcam qualified for a non-admin closure since its outcome required judgment and NACs are reserved for housekeeping. NAC "no consensus" closures are only for discussions where there is little to no discussion—it's more "no consensus with no prejudice for renom" than a ticket to close "no consensus" methinks. czar ♔  04:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Czar: I base nacs upon WP:NACD, which is part of Wikipedia's deletion guideline, and I take my nacs seriously. It doesn't state the criteria therein that you describe above. Regarding the close, it doesn't appear that a WP:NPASR closure would be appropriate in this case, because therein it states "If a nomination has received no comments from any editor besides the nominator (or few in the case of AfDs), the discussion may be closed at the closer's discretion..." There was an adequate number of participants in the discussion (more than a "few" participants). Also there were enough participants that a relisting isn't necessary. Please respond at your convenience. NorthAmerica1000 04:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think the verdict was the wrong call—I just wanted to point out that I saw such a closure as outside the bounds of our working NAC framework (that this close was NC and not NC+NPASR). Yes, it's fine by NACD, but NACD doesn't go into detail. Anyway, your action to decide—just wanted to mention it to you. Have a good one czar ♔  04:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. In this instance, I feel that there were just enough participants to not close with a WP:NPASR clause, although it is somewhat close. However, lack of a WP:NPASR close does not preclude the article being renominated for deletion. NorthAmerica1000 05:03, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * User:Davey2010: Thanks! Check out WP:MERGE for more information about merging on Wikipedia. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 17:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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May 2014
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DYK for Bacon soda
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Merge discussion?
You proposed merging Cannabis and lobbying efforts into Decriminalization of non-medical cannabis in the United States (a proposal I support, by the way), but you did not open a discussion anywhere about the topic. I recommend that you start the discussion wherever you feel appropriate, and then link the merge proposal template to that discussion. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:WikiDan61: ✅ - See here. NorthAmerica1000 15:37, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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Context in article
Hello, I saw that my article (HTML5 Article) was declined due to the article's context. I was wondering if there was anything specific that you saw wrong that I might improve on? Thank you. Pbbalduc (talk) 22:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Pbbalduc: I declined the Articles for creation submission at User:Pbbalduc/sandbox because it contained no content other than the title. Content needs to be existent beyond a title to be considered for an article. NorthAmerica1000 15:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rocket Fizz
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Lack of interest in AfDs?
Hi, I'd like to ask you a question which I think you can answer. If an AfD literally has no interest at all other than from the nominator, how many times can the discussion be relisted while waiting for community feedback? I'm assuming there must be some sort of limit. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello User:MezzoMezzo: Check out WP:RELIST, part of Wikipedia's Deletion process guideline page for detailed information about relisting, which includes information about relisting limitations. NorthAmerica1000 15:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, it seems that two is the rough limit. Assuming that nobody responds and the closer desides to close with no prejudice against a speedy renomination, what happens if the same situation occurs again? If the articles aren't prod material, could they fall into a continuous loop of reasonable nominations for deletion but a simple lack of interest on the part of the community in even seconding the nomination? MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:MezzoMezzo: Per WP:NPASR, articles described as above can be deleted. An option at WP:NPASR includes "closing in favour of the nominator's stated proposal." NorthAmerica1000 05:15, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Ref Columns
Hi -- I have a question. I noticed on an article that you and I both edited recently that you added a "|2" to make the references section two columns. I've often done that in the past as well.

An editor is continually reverting me, and reverting as well the prior long-established formats of articles that are "|2". Insisting that a "|2" format is strictly verboten. And only em columns are allowed.

Thoughts? Thanks. --Epeefleche (talk) 07:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Epeefleche: which article is this in reference to? NorthAmerica1000 07:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's arisen on more than one article. I believe the latest article that I saw where it arose as an issue was a few days ago at Talk:Rembrandt toothpaste, and in the comments by Sven in his edit summaries to that article, and in the related discussion at the end of the very long talkpage string here. --Epeefleche (talk) 08:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Epeefleche: I may decline on getting involved in this matter; I'm working on other things at this time. However, I have seen discussions before regarding columns. From what I recollect, the use of the em parameter (e.g. 30em) has been encouraged when dividing into three columns, because it works best on most browsers (e.g. compared to using ). However, I've never seen discussion that outright bans the use of  (Et al.) parameters. Hope this helps out! NorthAmerica1000 10:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The use of "|2" is deprecated in favor of "|30em" or some other "xxem" as the first parameter. Using "xxem" as the first parameter will automatically set the number of columns based on the viewer's screen size.  See Template:Reflist/doc for details.  By the way, I only recently became aware of this myself, so it's probably not widely-known and editors should assume an extra dose of good faith both in removing "|2" and in replying if their addition of "|2" is reverted with an overly-strong reason given for the reversion. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  15:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * On my screen, the em is inferior. The "|2" forces two columns, which is easier to read.  The em leaves it as one column.  The same happens on my iphone. --Epeefleche (talk) 22:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Green Building Council Russia - revision
Hi Northamerica1000

If I drastically shorten the article is there any hope of it being allowed? I note that WGBC, USGBC, UKGBC and other councils are published - so its logical we should be there too.

Am ready to change style accordingly although from USGBC the start reads very commercially - thats what I was basing my style on.

Guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.39.95 (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


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 * If significant coverage per the above is not available, all is not lost. You can to add information about the topic to World Green Building Council, as long as the information is properly verified, preferably with independent, reliable third-party sources. Hope this helps out, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. NorthAmerica1000 06:14, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Avalanche Sharks
Much more being done.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:39, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:MichaelQSchmidt: Funny/"tacky" films are amusing. Since info can be attained from primary sources, check out the trailer at Metro. NorthAmerica1000 07:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Related topics: in addition to the well-known Jaws (film), there's also Sharknado and Sharknado 2: The Second One. NorthAmerica1000 08:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

inre We Are the Freaks
The article had some format issues and was tagged. Those are now corrected. Needs use of sources to flesh out production and critical response. Have a nice night. 09:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for improving the article MQS. Another article that went from prod to it's present state. Nitey nite! NorthAmerica1000 10:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

New article List of edible molluscs
Hello North, I just saw this new list article you created. I am thinking perhaps you did not already know that we have had (for quite a few years) a rather nice navigational template which contains a well-organized list of edible mollusks? Your list is in alphabetical order, which might seem like a good idea, but nearly all the species are known by a common name as well as a scientific name, therefore listing them alphabetically without separating clams from snails etc is probably not very useful to a reader. Also your list has only one reference, and that ref only covers abalone. And it contains no freshwater or land species. Anyway, tell me what you think once you have looked at the template. Invertzoo (talk) 13:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Another point that more than one malacologist author has made in the past is that almost all mollusks are edible, it's just a question of which ones are considered to be the most palatable (and easiest to harvest) in any given part of the world. Invertzoo (talk) 13:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Invertzoo: It's a work in progress, and thanks for your opinion. Yes, this would benefit from further organization, as well as the addition of descriptions, which templates lack. Feel free to improve the article, and I'll also keep performing further improvements in mind. Regarding all mollusks as edible, I wouldn't state this in any article without very adequate reliable sourcing to back up this assertion. NorthAmerica1000 22:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Bubbalue/sandbox
Hello Northamerica1000. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Bubbalue/sandbox, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: User does exist. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Malik Shabazz: requesting clarification. Check out User:Bubbalue, in which the "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name" occurs, and User talk:Bubbalue which presently doesn't exist. NorthAmerica1000 15:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Northamerica1000. While it was true that Bubbalue didn't have a User page or a User talk page, the editor had made two edits. See Special:Contributions/Bubbalue. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello again User:Malik Shabazz: Thanks much for the clarification. I have addended the Criteria for speedy deletion policy page to reflect this (diff), since the wording there was somewhat vague regarding WP:U2 criteria. NorthAmerica1000 03:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The above was reverted by another user (diff) with the edit summary, "It's possible for an account to be registered and have a legitimate user page without having any contributions". I've sent them a notice about this discussion to request input. NorthAmerica1000 03:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * All four of these things are completely independent of each other:
 * User account exists
 * User has contributions
 * User page exists
 * User talk page exists
 * If and only if the account doesn't exist (which will be indicated via a big message in red text), then pages under that account's userspace are eligible for U2. In this case, the user does exist (and has contributions, but that's not important), so U2 doesn't apply, even though the user's user page doesn't exist. What you wrote on the CSD policy page is wrong because it's possible for an account to exist but have no contributions, such as a doppelganger account. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


 * N.b. See Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion - CSD U2 criteria. NorthAmerica1000 12:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Notability (geographic features)
FYI, I've re-proposed Notability (geographic features) for guideline status. Kaldari (talk) 03:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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DYK for Bludwine
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Articles for deletion/Rapid Eye Movement (REM) sleep Behavior Disorder Screening Questionnaire (RBDSQ)
Sorry about that. I saw that you had relisted it, but didn't pick up on the fact that you had just relisted it today. I thought I was looking at a situation where if I relisted it again, that would be the third. My bad. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:20, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries, these types of things occur from time to time. NorthAmerica1000 08:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Language icons
You don't need to put lang en next to links that are in English unless it would be surprising if it wasn't (it's English Wikipedia, so English is implied). —Microchip08 (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Egyptian Steel article, there is also a link in the EL section to their Arabic-language site, so I feel that use of the language icons is appropriate to distinguish between the two. NorthAmerica1000 10:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sharenting
Just a quick note about sharenting. The two sources that you added are already in the article – the Gulf News article is syndicated from The Guardian, and the ABC2 story is the regional, syndicated version of the national ABC article. If you look closely, they have the same bylines and content, even though the titles are different. It's obviously a devious plot to get us to include them in our articles. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:NinjaRobotPirate: Thanks for the notice and for addressing this matter in the article. The wording was different in the articles, so this was missed. NorthAmerica1000 06:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was the devious part. I only recognized them because I spent hours reading articles about this topic.  I now know more than I ever wanted to know about sharenting and the dangers of posting baby pics online.  Forewarned is forearmed, I suppose. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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Fritanga
How do I request a translated article version of this Tajada article from the Spanish Wikipedia? Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The easiest way is to use Google Translate. Check out this translated page of the Spanish Wikipedia's Tajada article. See also Translation. NorthAmerica1000 22:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

This article on Piqueteadero )Piqueteadero) would also be good to get translated. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Piqueteadero translated → here. NorthAmerica1000 22:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I thought Google translate was considered unreliable? Perhaps it has progressed a bit since then... Those translations look a little rough around the edges. Isn't there some sort of template you put on a page requesting that it be translated from the foreign language Wikipedia?

FYI I created shredded beef. Candleabracadabra (talk) 23:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Candleabracadabra: I speak some Spanish, so GTranslate is functional for my purposes. Check out Category:Expand by language Wikipedia templates for a list of translation request template options for existent articles. See also Category:Articles needing translation from foreign-language Wikipedias. NorthAmerica1000 23:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, thanks for creating the new shredded beef article. NorthAmerica1000 23:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

What is with the new layout of editing?
Okay figured I ask someone-I have not edited in a few days due to the fact the new lays is kind of annoying when you try to edit. When I paste something I go back to the top, ect. Do you know if there is a way to go back to the old way? (I'm using IE right now) Wgolf (talk) 20:20, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Wgolf: I'm unsure of what specific aspect of layout you're referring to. Could you provide an example of a page you have recently edited? NorthAmerica1000 20:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually I don't mean layout, its just a bunch of things come up like another box to put the bold, italic and underline. And when I try to post my sig it goes to the edit summary instead of the normal place it shoud.

Looks like its something with this User:Cacycle/wikEd help Wgolf (talk) 20:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Wgolf: I'm really not sure about how to correct this. Firstly, you could try using another browser. Simply disabling wikEd may solve your problems. Another thing is to check Beta features and select/deselect Compact personal bar, VisualEditor, VisualEditor language tool, etc. if you are using any of these features. Additional places to get help include the Help desk and Teahouse. NorthAmerica1000 20:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Somehow something on my preferences got changed-I just pressed reset all and everything is good. (Can't believe I didn't think of that earlier) anyway have a nice night! Wgolf (talk) 01:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad it worked out, and have a good one. NorthAmerica1000 01:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Steve McElroy
Hello North, thanks for your closure on this. But I disagree that it is a no consensus. The nomination itself is an implied delete !vote (assuming the closer agrees that it is policy-based), so in the absence of keep !votes, the outcome should have been a soft delete performed by an admin. Had there been a single valid !keep vote, your closure would have been appropriate. § FreeRangeFrog croak 16:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:FreeRangeFrog: I closed the discussion per WP:NPASR, which states (in part) "If a nomination has received no comments from any editor besides the nominator (or few in the case of AfDs), the discussion may be closed at the closer's discretion and best judgment. Common options include, but are not limited to:...closing as "no consensus" with no prejudice against speedy renomination (NPASR)..." Since you disagree, I have reopened it. I would say go ahead and delete it, but since you started the discussion, another admin can do so, if that's their judgment to do so. NorthAmerica1000 16:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've always had a problem with the fact that there are multiple no-quorum closure options in the AFD policy, honestly, because one of them (excluding relisting) allows for NACs and one doesn't. I used to stay away from NACs in these cases before I got the mop, for that reason. To clarify, your closure was correct and within policy of course, it's just that I disagree with it Let's give it maybe a day more and see if a sympathetic admin agrees with me, otherwise we can go with your no consensus option. It's been there long enough as it is... maybe I was too verbose with my nomination, but I really feel this vanity bio should go. In any case, thanks again. § FreeRangeFrog  croak 17:00, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, that works, and thanks for the reply and for your opinion. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 17:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like someone was going to relist and closed it as NPASR anyway Maybe I'll wait a few weeks and re-nominate. § FreeRangeFrog  croak 17:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was closed again today by another user with the identical close I performed (diff1, diff2). NorthAmerica1000 01:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Expedia
Hi North, I have seen your work on Wikipedia and your copy-editing skills are spot on and very accurate. I would like to ask you if you could make edits to the page of Expedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedia), as there is some information missing from the page. Would you be willing to make edits to the page so that it's complete? The main areas that I think needs more information are the infobox on the top right, and external links.

To be specific, I think the infobox at top right needs more information, and fields more in line with other global travel brands like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TripAdvisor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivago or and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodafone_Hutchison_Australia. The infobox also needs to change URLs to be within 'website' (at the bottom) rather than 'Web address' (at the top), and it needs to include links to Expedia ccTLD: US, CA, UK, AU & NZ (in that order) in the same shape as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivago In regards to external Links, I think it should link to Expedia ccTLD in the same shape as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TripAdvisor with the same links as on #3.

Let me know, I would highly appreciate your assistance in this matter.

Erexkiss (talk) 12:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Erexkiss: I've updated the infobox at Expedia (website) to the current version of Template:Infobox website. Other articles about the companies themselves use Template:Infobox company, such as Expedia, Inc. and TripAdvisor. However, since the Expedia (website) article is about the website itself, the website infobox is most appropriate for this article. I have also added a link to the U.K. website in the external links section. I'm not finding a website for "Expedia ccTLD". I have also added the U.K. url to the infobox. I'm not interested in researching websites in other languages/countries and adding them to the infobox, but feel free to do so per the formatting in the infobox. NorthAmerica1000 16:07, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this North. Regarding other country-specific web addresses, I am reluctant to edit the page as I'm not a seasoned Wikipedia editor, therefore I fear that if I make edits I will compromise Expedia's page and my own account. Would you be willing to add 5 additional web addresses if I give them to you? Your help is much appreciated. Erexkiss (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Erexkiss: I can handle that. Feel free to post the Expedia links here. NorthAmerica1000 10:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Your are more than helpful, I highly appreciate your time. the URLs are as follows: http://www.expedia.ca/ for Canada, http://www.expedia.com.au/ for Australia, http://www.expedia.co.nz/ for New Zealand, http://www.expedia.it/ for Italy, http://www.expedia.fr/ for France, and http://www.expedia.de/ for Germany. Many thanks North. Erexkiss (talk) 10:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅: see Expedia (website). NorthAmerica1000 10:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Many Thanks! Is there some sort of risk of compromising the Expedia page, or my account, if I go ahead and update the External Links section with the same information, as currently only US and UK links are present there? it looks a bit unfinished in its current state. Erexkiss (talk) 11:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't recommend double-linking, as this would appear promotional. If anything, the links could actually be omitted from the External links section since they're all in the infobox. NorthAmerica1000 11:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Combo photos
Do you know how to make those combo photos where there are four pictures in one image? Are those considered good form? I was thinking some of the fruit and plants type images in Hawaiian cuisine as well as maybe an initial image, might be good as combo photos? Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Candleabracadabra: check out Template:Multiple image. Regarding form, it's subjective, with use dependent upon upon the style, layout, length, etc. of an article. NorthAmerica1000 17:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Thanks very much. Probably above my paygrade. I am also a bit wary of fooling around a lot with photos because they look different and the layout varies according to the device they are viewed on, but I do think the combo format would be a good approach for combining some of the multiple photos of fruits and edible plants in the article. Not sure who to ask for assistance? Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Candleabracadabra: I've performed some image layout at Cuisine of Hawaii, moving images to various sections for enhanced organization. Check it out. NorthAmerica1000 17:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have come to the conclusion that the listing content at the bottom of the article should be moved to the list article. It's not clear to me the inclusion/ exclusion criteria. And I think the key dishes should be worked into the article. Listing lots of things without much explanation doesn't seem very useful. I also think in the actual list article the descriptions can be improved. Not having to do this in both places would help. I can only handle so much on that article at the mo' however, and issues of article ownership, disruption, incivility, personal attacks, harassment, and obstruction have to be overcome. Native Hawaiian cuisine might interest you. I'm only getting started and hoping to work in heaps more photos of poi. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Candleabracadabra: I'm going to avoid getting involved in the discussion about the restored stub article, etc., simply because I have other things I would rather do. Regarding a merge of the dishes at Cuisine of Hawaii to List of Hawaiian dishes: this would be fine with me. Thanks for the Native Hawaiian cuisine link. NorthAmerica1000 17:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, the list article would definitely benefit from added descriptions. NorthAmerica1000 17:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand. Probably wise. Thanks for your help and input. It is much appreciated. Happy tidings and enjoy your works wherever and whatever they may be. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I love mucking about! Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

What does ibidf mean? Did you mean to remove everything but the specialty dishes from list of article? Candleabracadabra (talk)
 * Meant to be "ibid". Content has been restored at the list. A wiki timeout error occurred, after which I kept receiving the blue page "Wikipedia's servers are experiencing a temporary problem..." etc. NorthAmerica1000 18:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I figured it was some sort of glitch. I saw you added a photo of lomi salmon. I actually think, given the premium on images and such, that this photo would be more appropriate and is especially beautiful. It also has the advantage of including several dishes. It definitely includes poi (food), [[haupia white steamed rice and kalua and I assume a poke and... I think lomi? Candleabracadabra (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In fact, this image would be a good opening photo. I don't like the one being used now; I think it's a bit grotesque. But I would be okay with it being used further down in the article if there is not a better image of kalua/ luau. Your photo adjustment at the Hawaii Regional Cuisine article look reasonable to me. Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That works for me. NorthAmerica1000 05:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

non admin closures
I've noticed you've closed discussions as no consensus, I thought non admin closures were limited to very clear consensus keep cases. Articles for deletion/Gedling Borough Council election, 2015 had some heated discussion including a compromise proposal that a closing admin may have considered. LibStar (talk) 15:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The AfD discussion has been reopened. The compromise proposal is to redirect. Underneath this in comments two users were clearly against this. NACs are not limited to keep closures only. It's crystal clear that there's no consensus in the discussion. However, per your concerns, I have re-opened it. It's quite likely that another user will close this with the same no consensus result. NorthAmerica1000 15:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks. It may be most likely no consensus, but non admins should only close as no consensus in cases of little or no participation, Non-admin_closure LibStar (talk) 15:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I base my closures upon the guideline page at WP:NACD, rather than the opinion essay page. NorthAmerica1000 16:00, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

N.b. Articles for deletion/Gedling Borough Council election, 2015 was closed by another user, again as no consensus (same result). NorthAmerica1000 08:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Beast usez
Actually my socks belong to a Long Term sockmaster. Im not going to tell you the account name though.--Beast wiki userz (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirected by another user to Sockpuppet investigations/Mr Wiki Pro. More information added there. NorthAmerica1000 16:47, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Southamericia1000 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Help please
The Open faced sandwich article has been quite unnecessarily butchered by an editor. These facts are not controversial, but quite well know undisputed dishes. I think people should not not mass-remove every sentence that doesn’t have an inline citation, just add a citation if indeed is needed and somebody will find those sources. WP:PRESERVE. This is not a not controversial topic, and references can be found. Before removing ANYTHING - make sure that there indeed is no such reference for it YOU can find yourself. Otherwise it is just disruptive editing ->Disruptive editing forcing other people to start working to find references, when the removed things have been just quite alright, and when they could use their time for better things than start hunting references for totally uncontroversial topics. This is forcing other people who want to build an encyclopaedia to go and work a lot and do the work this guy could do just as well. WP:PRESERVE is about preserve content. Right, we need references for the American stuff, I fix the Europeans. It is the same thing that happened to Breakfast... Hafspajen (talk) 12:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I worked all day on that article, Open sandwich. Do you think you can bring on some more refs+ and check it a little? Hafspajen (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Hafspajen: I've been off-wiki today, so I missed all the action. Great work improving the article. I have performed some touch-up upon it, and may work on sourcing it more in the near future. NorthAmerica1000 06:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your award!! Something else. Here.  Why? Well, anyway, it made it. Hafspajen (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The Golden Ruler
Dear reviewer, I wanted to create an article in Wikipedia for 'the golden ratio ruler', without success. This instrument is used by ancient artists and architects. An actual copy (?) is in the Abbaye Notre-Dame de Sénanque, France, of which a photograph is in my website. I have analyzed selected artworks many of which are Wikipedia articles. I kindly ask you to visit my site and see what can be done about it. This forgotten instrument of art must receive its due respect. My regards. Ates Gulcugil atesgulcugil@hotmail.com

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Note: For some of the pictures free ones from Wikimedia Commons can be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atesgulcugil (talk • contribs) 15:00, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Atesgulcugil: check out the Article wizard, with which you can create and submit an entry as a draft or to WikiProject Articles for creation for consideration to be published in Wikipedia's main (article) namespace. NorthAmerica1000 06:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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The golden (ratio) rule, Reliable source.
Hi. The actual golden ratio rule is in the Abbaye Notre-Dame de Sénanque. The Earl kinly sent me its photo. You can see it in my website: http://039a2b6.netsolhost.com/thegoldenrule.html How can I show a 'reliable' source when even they don't know what it is? However if the words written on it (coudee, empan, palme, paume) are entered in Googele similar carpenter's rules can be found and their owners have the knowledge that they are golden ratio rules. The golden rule is described in my website. What I have discovered is that it has been used for most art pieces, ancient and medieval and renaissance. These are in my web. Kind regards. Ates Gulcugil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atesgulcugil (talk • contribs) 14:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Atesgulcugil: I'm not interested in researching and developing an article for this topic; I'm presently working on other things. If you require any assistance, check out the Help desk and Teahouse where volunteers are available to provide guidance. NorthAmerica1000 22:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

List of edible molluscs
Hello North, Could you tell me where you got the info that you put into this list? Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Invertzoo: all entries were from Category:Edible molluscs at the time the article was created. NorthAmerica1000 12:51, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Update: This morning I spent 3 hours radically re-working the list; you may want to take a look at it to see how it is currently organized. I also just wanted to say that when you make a list that is biological like this one, you need to put the scientific names for genus and species into italics, rather than plain text. It would also be a really good idea to drop a note onto the talk page of the relevant WikiProjects (in this case WikiProject Gastropods and WikiProject Bivalves), in order to let them know the list article has been started and needs a great deal of additional work. Invertzoo (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Invertzoo: Thanks for the improvements, and for posting messages about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bivalves. I know to add italics to taxonomic names, but it slipped my mind to do so when creating the article. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 23:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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Note on non-admin AfD closures
I've always seen closures such as Articles for deletion/Frank A. DeMarco and Articles for deletion/Great Blue Hill eruption prank to be outside the purview of non-admin closure since they involve some form of judgment that isn't plain housekeeping. (E.g., something like "no consensus" for Articles for deletion/Dr Zeus may be the right closure argument, would be inappropriate for a NAC because it's not due to a lack of discussion.) Just wanted to run that past you for consideration czar ♔  13:32, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm an experienced user and take my discussion closures seriously, which are based upon WP:NACD rather than the opinion essay. Are there any matters within the discussions themselves that require more attention? NorthAmerica1000 13:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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Carpe Fulgur
Will you be handling the history merge, please (as noted in the AfD). I know it's a pain and I'd do it if I were an admin, but I'm not so I can't. Fiddle   Faddle  07:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Timtrent: I'm not an admin, so I can't perform history merges. NorthAmerica1000 07:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake. If this has not been a non admin closure this would have been easy. Fiddle   Faddle  07:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Timtrent: What article are you looking to have history-merged with this one? NorthAmerica1000 07:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's noted in the AfD, one the non admin ought never to have closed for that simple complexity. The main space article is the result of a copy and paste move by a well meaning editor form the AfC version. I left a note at the foot of your conversation with the closer. Non admin closes are frustrating when they miss important items. Fiddle   Faddle  08:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Timtrent: As a courtesy, I've added a histmerge template to Carpe Fulgur, requesting history from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carpe Fulgur be merged into it. NorthAmerica1000 08:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I never even knew such a template existed, for which much thanks. Fiddle   Faddle  08:05, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, now you know . I've also notified User:Solarra on their talk page, since they performed the NAC. NorthAmerica1000 08:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Luther Vandross list
Hi! Thank you for the talkback link to the deletion page discussion. I really don't even like Luther Vandross, but now I've been spending the morning adding sources to his article. Pet peeve: all those 'citation needed' tags after every statement; even though the article has a large issue tag at the top for more references. All that to say; although I am rather allergic to lists themselves; I will reconsider my merge vote and change to go to your article of list of tours. It is less likely to be deleted than all those pithy articles for each tour. Only one of those articles even has a talk page and it just has a sandbox silly edit. All the best!  Fylbecatulous  talk  13:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Fylbecatulous: I agree that List of Luther Vandross tours is the best merge target for all of those separate tour articles being discussed at Articles for deletion/Luther Tour. Regarding the citation needed tags in the Vandross article: at least they provide an opportunity for people to add sources, as opposed to the text simply being removed. Thanks for your work to improve the article! NorthAmerica1000 21:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Lists of prepared foods
I am wondering if Template:Lists of prepared foods should be split up somehow per "They should be kept small in size...". It is getting so big. But, I cannot figure out how.. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Anna Frodesiak: I recently sorted it more, which significantly extended its length. Check out its length prior to being further sorted: diff. I'm all right with the length, because people can always just keep it collapsed. I prefer to keep it as is, because I think in this instance it provides a great overview of all the food list articles all in one template. Furthermore, Navigation templates is an opinion essay, rather than a guideline or policy. NorthAmerica1000 03:41, 30 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I agree. Actually, in fairness, I should have posted this at the template talk. But, with 3 watchers there and you being the chief architect of the navbox, I figured it would be okay to post here. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 03:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

AfD closure
Hello, while "no consensus" was an understandable closure for Articles for deletion/Cheek to Cheek (album), one thing I should note is how WP:LOSE (i.e. "We'll lose the info") is not regarded as a convincing argument in deletion discussions per WP:ATA. There were other points raised, though, so I understand the closure rationale. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input and perspective. I've seen WP:LOSE before within the opinion essay at WP:ATA. Another perspective is the sentiment at WP:PRESERVE, which is within the Wikipedia policy page at Editing policy. Regardless, there's no consensus occurrent at the discussion, hence the no consensus close. NorthAmerica1000 14:00, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 14:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethnic cuisine
Hi. Your linking of ethnic cuisine in this context doesn't make any sense. It refers to a historical period of cuisine in Hawaii classified by food historians, that took place from around 1850-1930. The "notable topic for which an article can be created" refers to that historical period, not to any one "ethnic cuisine". It would be helpful at the bare minimum, if you could follow WP:OVERLINK and WP:REDLINK. Viriditas (talk) 09:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can live without the ethnic cuisine link in Cuisine of Hawaii, although it's all right to add red links for nonexistent article topics that are notable, per WP:REDLINK. The notion needs to begin somewhere, and adding redlinks helps to encourage contributions. NorthAmerica1000 09:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, but why do you think "ethnic cuisine" is a viable link in this context? While you could argue that we need another daughter article on "Ethnic food of Hawaii", I don't think that's what you meant.  You meant that we need a general article on "ethnic cuisine", right?  Well, all foods are ethnic foods, so could you specify what would go in such an article? Viriditas (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW, I should mention that your link to fusion cuisine was excellent. Viriditas (talk) 10:08, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Re ethnic cuisine: lots of rich sources out there. See Gbooks, etc. for starters. NorthAmerica1000 11:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I looked, and I don't see anything that would allow to create an article. All cuisine is "ethnic cuisine", it just depends on the context.  In the context of the cuisine of Hawaii, it refers to a specific period of Hawaii food history during the plantation immigration period (dates above).  In the context you are using it, it refers to any cuisine.  I looked at GBooks and can't image how we could create an article about a general topic lke "ethnic cuisine".  Perhaps you feel differently, I don't know.  BTW, could you address the "too many images" tag I added to Native Hawaiian cuisine.  It currently has an insane total of 24 images in a 22 kB article, which is not supported by any policy, guideline, or practice.  Since you seem to have more an expertise at dealing with images than I do, I would appreciate it if you would fix that situation.  Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 21:55, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. It appears that images have been pruned from Native Hawaiian cuisine. It's presently at AfD: Articles for deletion/Native cuisine of Hawaii. NorthAmerica1000 06:04, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. see Native cuisine of Hawaii. NorthAmerica1000 15:08, 30 May 2014 (UTC)