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Request
Hi, I wondered if you might close the Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr. afd. I would appreciate your action on this. Thanks, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont)  00:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to pass on contributing to the closure of the discussion. NorthAmerica1000 07:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Then, I request that you please refer it to another respected administrator who handles closures, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont)  19:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Daniellagreen: just so you know, I'm not an admin (it appears that you might think this per your comment above). To make a closure request, check out Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. Hope this helps out. NorthAmerica1000 05:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

(Untitled)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nedim Ardoğa (talk • contribs) 11:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied there. NorthAmerica1000 12:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_and_missing_moon_rocks
Zackaryas (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello! I am Zackaryas. I want to say that I agree with your opinion, regarding my response on Counterfeit rocks (Texas); his reasons agree as set forth in Db-u5. Rarely I find a person ready to hold an intelligent conversation, and also has very high ethic concepts and self-respect as,to consider the truth above their personal convictions. Usually when people do not meet these conditions, I do not talk with them and I contact the upper level. All right. I want to ask you that aticulo referring, in which quotes my name is cleared without delay. I argue that the reasons for this are: 1) Mr. Gutheinz, does not meet the necessary knowledge to make these claims. (Although in reality he said otherwise.) 2) This article qualify me as a scammer. This accusation does not have any support; I'm still waiting to be charged for that reason. (Nothing would make me happier.) 3) Therefore, this article attempting to damage my good name. 4) NASA never ordered eBay remove my ad ; even you, can see it in: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apollo-11-Moon-rock-Dust-meteorite-0-02-grams-approx-/191279122486?ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123 5) As you can see this whole article is a farce, so, this post meets the conditions for removal, under the "Criteria for redaction" (2). But if what is written there, it can be considered as "mere factual statements ..." then my statements also must be considered in the same way. Best regards


 * – As of this post, I've never contributed to the article (Revision history) or its talk page (Revision history). It appears this was sent to me incorrectly. NorthAmerica1000 06:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Redmi
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Chili sauce
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tomato
On chili sauce - with the tomato-based description currently in place, ketchup and numerous other tomato-based non-chili-sauces are covered. Ketchup is NOT a chili sauce. Though tomato may be a main ingredient, it is not a main flavoring ingredient, which is why I changed it. I think the separation between chili sauce and hot sauce is dubious (hot sauce is a hot chili sauce, in my mind), but I didn't challenge that, as it's arguable. This, to me, is not. Thoughts? Graidan (talk) 15:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Content in the article is written based upon the sources, rather than personal opinions. Also, I restored content in the lead that you removed because per WP:LEAD, this introductory section should provide an accessible overview of the topic. Some chili sauces use chili peppers used as a primary ingredient, while others use pulped red tomato as a primary ingredient, again, per the sources. Also, pulped tomato is not ketchup, it's macerated tomato.


 * See (per the article): "Some commercially produced chili sauces are canned, with red tomato that is processed into a pulp used as the primary ingredient."


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WikiSnap Challenge
 Hello Northamerica1000:

Wikipedia is holding a contest called the WikiSnap Challenge The goal of this drive is to eliminate poor stub articles with not so much as a picture or info box. The contest starts on the 3rd of April and continues until a winner is declared.

Awards will be given out for all participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the contest. Thanks. NickGibson3900 (talk) NickGibson3900 - Talk - Sign my Guestbook 10:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC) (UTC)
 * Hi User:NickGibson3900: I'll consider it. You may want to consider rephrasing parts of the template above. Rather than stating "eliminate" regarding stub articles, I recommend changing the word to "improve". People may get the impression that you want to delete stub articles, rather than expand them. NorthAmerica1000 05:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not co-ordinating the challenge, Fremantle99 is (i'm just helping out by sending these around). He will be notified so he might fix the template if he sees fit. -- NickGibson3900 - Talk - Sign my Guestbook 05:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * All right, and thanks for the reply. NorthAmerica1000 06:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/So Happy I Could Die
Hello Northamerica,

Is it possible to relist this debate for a more clear consensus? I'm not too sure that "no consensus" was the answer, especially given how only one more vote was made after being relisted once.

Cheers,  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:SNUGGUMS: Please read WP:RELIST, wherein it states: "...relisting should not be a substitute for a "no consensus" closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive debate, disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, and consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable." I feel that the close was accurate per the strengths of the arguments therein, and the number of respondents was adequate. I'll consider it, but I'd prefer your response regarding WP:RELIST first. NorthAmerica1000 05:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I personally wouldn't have closed it so soon, but understand what you're saying. Just thought I'd ask.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 11:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I feel that per WP:RELIST, relisting in this case would have been excessive, relative to the arguments in the discussion and number of respondents therein. NorthAmerica1000 12:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Very well.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 12:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Canal des Pangalanes
Nice work! A long neglected article, so glad to see it improved and expanded. Is there even a map of the entire canal?--Milowent • hasspoken 13:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Milowent: Thanks very much. As of this time, there's only a map link in the external links section. A map addition to the article would be great, but didn't find anything on Commons. NorthAmerica1000 13:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I missed that link. Thanks.  That's a typical Madagascar map for you.  Similar with roads there.  Even creating a stub like Route nationale 2 (Madagascar) is a pain, to try to identify the primary cities along any route.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  14:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Milowent: Now I see, you're a fan of all that's Madagascar. Thanks for creating that new stub back in the day. Feel free to suggest Madagascar-related articles to collaborate upon herein sometime. I added a portal link to Route nationale 2 (Madagascar)... NorthAmerica1000 14:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Image galleries
Hi!

The images in Solar activity could be kept as thumbs rather than galleries. It's the standard way of showing images within articles. See WP:Gallery. This is also pointed out by the | Peer reviewer tool. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 01:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Finnusertop: Images in the article's Sunspot section were overextended past the section area into the Solar flares section. Per WP:LAYIM, which states "Images should ideally be spread evenly within the article, and relevant to the sections they are located in", I feel it's proper to keep both images regarding sunspots within the Sunspot section. NorthAmerica1000 01:10, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thanks for clarifying your intentions. Using galleries in this way is okay. The page looks different on different resolutions, and I checked that as galleries they are kept in the right place. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 01:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks for the reply. NorthAmerica1000 01:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Canal des Pangalanes
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Articles for deletion/Rise Up (conference)
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I request that you change this close to mark it WP:NPASR. Unscintillating (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Unscintillating: I feel that it would be inaccurate to do so. WP:NPASR closures are typically performed when the nominator does not withdraw, none to only a few people comment, and no consensus is present. The nomination was withdrawn and only your comment was present in the nomination, hence it was closed as speedy keep per WP:SK because this was the most accurate closure (your comment wasn't a specific "keep", "delete", etc. one). A NPASR close doesn't particularly fit in this instance, due to the nominator withdrawing and a lack of any !votes. That all said, if you're interested in renominating the article for deletion, I won't object. NorthAmerica1000 23:01, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. Not sure where to continue here, as I also have concerns with two more of your WP:NPASR from yesterday. For this case, I agree that the normal situation with a withdrawn nomination is  no WP:NPASR.  But the normal situation is that the nominator has concluded from the evidence  that the article should be kept.  The case here is agreement with a procedural analysis, and procedural closes create the need for WP:NPASR. It is my opinion based on general knowledge of AfD comments that a "no consensus" result should generally not be brought back to AfD for two months, and a keep result should generally not be brought back to AfD for six months. FYI, I have no plans to nominate this article.  My concern is that there has been no deletion discussion, and that my argument in the AfD should not be the basis to prevent a speedy renomination following WP:BEFORE.  Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Unscintillating: Upon consideration, I have modified the close at Articles for deletion/Rise Up (conference) to "procedural close". However, as such, the NPASR clause is not appropriate, because this is reserved for no consensus closures. NorthAmerica1000 00:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've never before seen anything to enable the idea that NPASR is reserved for no consensus closes. IMO, NPASR is an acronym with the meaning in English.  I would expect that it is obvious that an AfD speedy kept for "no deletion argument" does not bind the community from opening a new deletion discussion.  I didn't quickly find good documentation, although WT:Speedy keep states my viewpoint in October 2011.  This is not a minor point, as if there are other editors with your viewpoint, this creates a prejudice against Speedy Keep closures on the grounds that a "speedy keep" is an attempt to win at AfD.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Check out WP:NPASR, wherein it states one of the closing options for no quorum discussions as, "closing as "no consensus" with no prejudice against speedy renomination (NPASR)". This is how it's worded on the Deletion process page, so this is what I work from. It appears that this is the only instance in which NPASR is used, from guideline pages I've read and from the many AfD discussions I have seen. I appreciate your input, but I'd rather not buck these norms on Wikipedia. NorthAmerica1000 18:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, feel free to provide links to the two additional closures you have concerns with. NorthAmerica1000 00:34, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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Coffee portal
a long time ago, i MFD'd the coffee portal as a good faith gesture to an editor who had PRodded it. I thought we should keep it, and it turned out a lot of us agreed. since then, you did a great job bringing it up in quality. i have not been very active with food articles since then, but i have worked on other portals. great work. if everyone who could, adopted an orphaned portal and gave it a nice selection of articles, images, etc, we could recover these spaces from their moribund state. seems that a bunch were created since 2007, and most are useless. I really dont like having portals that are less than minimal quality. projects can be as defunct as possible and hang around, as they dont clutter up the reader experience. again thanks for your work here.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Mercurywoodrose: Portals have significant potential, and well done ones are quite valuable. I'm fine with those that need development; it provides editors such as myself with opportunities. Check out the difference in page views for The coffee portal. In August 2014, it received a total of 6,961 page views (check views), versus 80 in March 2013 (page views). I began significantly expanding the portal in April 2013 through June 2013, and the work paid off in terms of providing a functional area for readers to learn more about coffee-related topics. NorthAmerica1000 06:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow. i hadnt had a chance to see an increase in portal views for the portals i work on yet. I assume you added lots of links at articles? thats great, and totally justifies it having been saved from deletion by editors obsessed with punishing those not following procedure!Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Mercurywoodrose: Adding portal links to relevant articles is vital, because most readers go right to the articles, rather than portals. Once people "discover" them, some like to use the format, likely in part due to the the purge function that loads new content. NorthAmerica1000 06:40, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks very much User:Dr. Blofeld. It appears from your user name that you're a J.B. fan, so an entirely unrelated question for you is, do you like marshall music? . NorthAmerica1000 20:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Athabaskan
Hi, I put the cn tag in Raven Tales because many tribes discussed in the article (Haida, Tlingit, Tsimshian, Kwakwaka'wakw etc) are not linguistically Athabaskan. I'm not sure if whether or not they are genetically Athabaskan. In any definition "Athabaskan" leaves out some of these tribes, and includes vast geographic areas to the south that don't have Raven Tales. Maybe I should have put a dubious tag instead, but this was my concern. A less ambiguous geographic term like simply "Northwest coast" would do better, I think. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 11:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Was invited to this conversation by Finnussertop. I removed the citation in question because it seemed to have no bearing on what Raven Tales are, which is what the sentence as a whole describes, or why they are more relevent to Athabaskan. CSJJ104 (talk) 11:49, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't done much work on the article, but I checked out the citation needed tags. I'll try to help out more later; working on other stuff at the moment. I added the following source just a little while ago (below). It provides a nice, succinct overview. NorthAmerica1000 11:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Crab dip
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  18:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC) 12:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi
Well, its been a long while since we had an interaction probably you won't even remember...Hope you fine.. The Afc proces is severely backlogged so I would like you to review the article and let me know if there's something missing I hope there won't be... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zia_Ur_Rehman Regards, ARK (talk) 10:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Aizaz Ur Rahman: I might not get around to it; busy with other stuff. However, thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. NorthAmerica1000 08:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response.. Take care.. ARK (talk) 12:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for French onion dip
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Commonscat - Blood soups
I'm populating http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Blood_soups.

Should it only include items with blood as the main ingredient? I'm wondering if I should give http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nam_ngiao the parent category Blood soups. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi A.F. - It's probably prudent to include soups that use various animal bloods as a primary ingredient. Per the Nam ngiao article, "Beef or pork is another main ingredient, as well as diced curdled blood." So, at Commons I've taken the liberty to add Category:Blood soups as a parent category to Category:Nam ngiao. By the way, nice work uploading quality images there, as evidenced by Category:Files by User:Anna Frodesiak. You can check out my uploads at Category:Files uploaded by User:Northamerica1000. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 05:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * But what if it is not primary? Don't add it?


 * I like your photos. I will give them a good look soon. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Anna Frodesiak: Regarding the categorization, I could be being too prudent in my synopsis. I'm sure if you add files of soups that use animal blood, blood pudding, dried blood, etc., nobody will object. In fact, it will likely just serve to make Commons more accurate. Also, blood soups aren't exactly the most common variety on the planet, so additions in which blood is simply an ingredient will probably be OK. NorthAmerica1000 06:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. And wow, nice work at commons! I never knew you had so many edits there. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * (ping) User:Anna Frodesiak: Thanks. I've actually been more active there lately. Check out my user page there, where I outline work I've been doing. Also check out the User uploads page that shows my more recent uploads. Also, I messaged you at Commons regarding two new categories I created very recently, to query if you're interested in helping to better-populate them. NorthAmerica1000 00:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Seafood pizza
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

(Seafood pizza)
I just want you to know that your "Did you know" inclusion for today is wrong. There's a $1000 pizza that's being sold at a restaurant in New York: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/1000-pizza-ninos-pizza-new-york-city_n_1615538.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlta6uwXUgI — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesSantee (talk • contribs) 04:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Just found a shitload of pizzas more expensive than your claimed "world's most expensive pizza": http://hauteliving.com/2010/03/top-five-most-expensive-pizzas-in-the-world/29487/

This lapse of judgement on your part is astonishing. I think I speak for the rest of the Wikipedia community when I say that you should step down as a member of this website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesSantee (talk • contribs) 04:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are expensive pizzas out there that cost more, which was discussed at the nomination page for the DYK entry. The entry is based upon that which is confirmed by Guinness World Records. This is verified in the article with an inline citation to a reliable source:

... that the world's most expensive pizza listed by Guinness World Records is a seafood pizza (different example pictured) that costs CA$450?


 * – Source:


 * The entry is not based upon my claim, it's based upon Guinness World Records and reporting from a reliable news source. Sorry, but the lapse of judgment in this matter is yours, not mine. NorthAmerica1000 04:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Apology accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesSantee (talk • contribs) 06:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Your non-reply is moot, but thanks for at least replying. NorthAmerica1000 10:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)