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Re: Percival Everett by Virgil Russell
Ironically, a review on Amazon: Davemck (talk) 18:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Davemck It certainly confused this long-retired librarian! Pam  D  20:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Yoko Matsuoka (writer)
I need your input, if I may. I think we need a disambiguation page for Yoko Matsuoka, but I am also aware that part of the issue is that Yoko (name) has many variants in Japanese, but only one in English. For example, my subject's name in Japanese is 松岡洋子, but English speakers confuse her with 松岡陽子 Yoko Matsuoka McClain and then there is the actress Yōko Matsuoka who has the same spelling as my subject. Not sure how to address those issues and also am never sure about making disamb pages because I do it so rarely. I guess my question is since this is en.WP, should we have the disamb page and note the Japanese spellings or just use the English spellings? I appreciate your expertise and thank you for any help you can give. SusunW (talk) 15:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I've made a dab page at Yoko Matsuoka. I haven't added any Japanese characters: I don't think we usually include them in dab pages. I've amended the hatnote at Yōko Matsuoka, which may not be strictly necessary now as the unaccented version of the name is the dab page, but it seems useful. I've made the redirect from Yoko Matsuoka (disambiguation) to the dab page.
 * I've added her to the surname page at Matsuoka, hoping I've done it right - there's a scary template I've never used before! Always something new to learn.
 * I know nothing about Japanese characters, nor about Wikipedia's conventions for dealing with them, so I can't offer any expertise.
 * Aargh ... just noticed that the one English-language source for Yōko Matsuoka spells her as Youka! Got to go out right now, might check back later. Pam  D  17:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, it was very confusing to me so I felt like I needed your expertise. I truly appreciate the help. SusunW (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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The Blackpool topic[edit source]
Greetings - I noted you likely are much more of a stakeholder in the Blackpool article - I did make many bold and strident changes - and I documented them as such in the audit trail of the edits - many apologies if I pushed this too far.

Sadly, the reversion by @DragonofBatley deleted other more conservative edits - the sizing of the images is the most notably visual loss of quality by these wholesale resets.

As with most matters there is a middle ground and sure - I have no interest in edit wars and I was crystal clear that I did think my edits - pushed the 'consensus boundaries' - but no one reacted negatively - until this day.

I focus on medical and science articles and there is less room for bombast and group think in such articles -

I did actually think the changes others made - size of images - should be reverted - but I am not getting directly involved.

Kind Regards, Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @BeingObjective Blackpool isn't on my watchlist, and I think I'll stay out of the acrimonious scrap taking place there: huge amounts of changes seem to have been made to the article and I'm not interested enough in the place, or the article, to input the time it would take to consider whose version is better. Good luck to all involved. Pam  D  23:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it is resolved - I hope. BeingObjective (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi! Just earlier, I made a small correction to my comment at the Julie Zeilinger AfD regarding the type of source I mentioned. I said it was an entire book, but it's just a chapter of the book. Wanted to let you know since you mentioned it in your comment before I fixed my error. Best, Bridget (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bridget Thanks. I think even just the one chapter seems to confer notability, but it's good of you to let me know (I'd actually spotted your update too). Pam  D  22:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * @Andrew Davidson Thanks: I rummaged around the website yesterday without finding it, but if it didn't go up till today that explains a lot! Pam  D  17:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you so much, @Dr. Blofeld: let's hope 2024 is a good year for the encyclopedia and all its editors! Yuletide Greetings to you. Pam  D  19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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FYI - Lists and bolding of first column
Re your first-column bolding comment at AFD Women in Guam History. The bolding is for screen readers for the visually impaired. Same thing with the bolding of the column headers. I learned about it at FLC, where the scope (bolding) is almost mandatory to pass table format for the Featured status. If you open it to the edit screen you see the terms scope="col" and scope="row". That's whet it's for - screen readers. — Maile (talk) 12:10, 24 April 2023 (UTCfor
 * That's interesting, thanks. Where is the rule to use bold in that way written down? There is no mention of this use of bolding in MOS:BOLD, as far as I can see. Do we have two contradictory sets of guidelines here?  Pam  D  13:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Maile66 For some reason I got the impression that this was a recent addition here ... but it looks as if I didn't reply at the time, so my puzzlement remains. Where is the use of Bold in column row titles mandated? I'm genuinely enquiring, not arguing! Pam  D  13:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Season's Greetings to all
Best wishes for Christmas / Yule / New Year to all my fellow-editors. For a little Christmas music I commend a couple of pieces done by Choir of the Earth (and yes, I'm among the singers): Midwinter and Vaughan Williams' Fantasia of Christmas Carols (both YouTube videos with amazing visuals from the technical team). Pam D  23:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sally Wainwright
Hello Pam, and Merry Christmas!

I've just given the lead of the article about Sally Wainwright a bit of a spruce up, and I was wondering if you'd mind checking my efforts. I don't generally edit biographies of living people, but I believe you do as part of the 'Women in Red' project and so I thought it would be sensible to call on your expertise. Don't worry if you can't help for whatever reason. Best wishes, A.D.Hope (talk) 12:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @A.D.Hope It looks fine. I've made a redirect from  Sally Anne Wainwright, and added her birthdate in Wainwright (surname) (went there to check that she was listed). Will have another look later ... am editing on phone while listening to Carols from Kings.  Pam  D  15:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Have tweaked refs: the one you added was already in use, twice uncombined! Have combined to the long ref-name chosen by an earlier editor. (Before spotting the other 2, I had renamed your VE-generated ":0" using the wonderful RefRenamer tool: I strongly dislike VE's naming style.) Pam  D  16:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @A.D.Hope Several of the refs further down the article are poorly formatted, with title only in some cases: I've fixed one just now but a lot more could do with upgrading. Pam  D  23:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And seasonal greetings to you too! Pam  D  23:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I did really only look at the lead, then asked you for advice before proceeding further. Christmas will be occupying me for a while, but certainly a project for the new year if not before! A.D.Hope (talk) 23:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Stub instructions
The reason I attempted to improve WP:stub is this. I feel that the instructions, which appear to date back to the earliest days of Wikipedia, have not kept up with the times. Abductive (reasoning) 19:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Abductive But what you left didn't make sense. Did you miss out "or", perhaps? Pam  D  20:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe, my language skills aren't all that great. If you can think of a way to phrase "if you know better, do better", please amend the instructions. Abductive  (reasoning) 23:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

2024 appeal
At my previous appeal I was advised to draft my appeal which is at User:Crouch, Swale/Appeal and show it to at least 1 experienced user, as you commented on several of the previous discussions I'm wandering what you think of the draft and if you have any advice, thanks.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Crouch, Swale I've been out all day, looking at a few things now on phone, will have more of a look on desktop and comment tomorrow. But for now I'd say that the Windermere and Bowness article had a missing comma, a poorly formatted url i infobox, and an unsourced vague date (fixed those), and needs a description of the parish boundary which is quite quirky covering the majority of the eponymous lake and extending up into the mountains including Yoke, as shown in Nomis2011 and on OS mapping. Could also do with some coordinates. Enough for tonight! Cheers.  Pam  D  23:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added a missing ref for the Bowness merger but I'm not sure refs are needed for the formation of Westmorland and Furness, I think the refs in Westmorland and Furness and South Lakeland cover that. Maps would be useful but we currently have few maps for parishes outside the East Riding of Yorkshire and Derbyshire, see List of civil parishes in the East Riding of Yorkshire. The coords seem fine as they are for Langstone House the council's meeting place, what coords were you thinking about adding.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Crouch, Swale I didn't see that it had coords - not displayed in mobile view, not visible in infobox, not there as a separate template at end of article. It doesn't seem helpful to put them in infobox template and not display them there. Even without a map, a verbal description of the extent of the parish seems appropriate, as it goes so far south and north of the settlements. I think the Nomis2011 data would be an adequate source for such a description, though I know there has been discussion about whether .as can be used as sources. Are those adjoining parishes in order, if so it would be helpful to describe them (eg "X in the north, followed in a clockwise direction by ... " or "X to the north, y and z to the northeast ... ".
 * Another busy day, again editing on phone, still not answered your actual request, sorry! Perhaps tomorrow.  Pam  D  18:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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Manual of Style/Words to Watch
For the sake of any of my talk page watchers: the link to the page under discussion is Manual of Style/Words to watch Pam  D  19:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, my motivation for adding the comma is purely grammatical. The ‘and’ there separates two independent clauses (‘many do not last’ is an ind clause), which requires punctuation in addition to the conjunction.

im totally open to finding a mutually agreeable solution. I don’t see how the comma changes the meaning of either clause, but I’m plenty open to being persuaded that it does. In any case, Wikipedia’s style guidelines on punctuation require a comma (plausibly a semicolon) to separate the two independent clauses joined by the ‘and’ conjunction.

cCan you help me understand how the meaning of the sentence changes with the addition of a comma? In any case, I absolutely want to preserve the intended meaning, but must respectfully urge that some kind of change is appropriate, as, without any punctuation, it is simply improper grammatically.

I imagine we can fairly easily find an alternative construction that conveys the meaning intended without violating a basic rule of grammar. Cheers, and Happy New Year! (and, apologies for not explaining my rationale for the change! 🤦‍♂️) Huskerdru (talk) 14:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Huskerdru Please remember to link to ant page you are duscussing in a talk page, to help other editors, especially those editing on phones.
 * The sentence is: "They should generally be avoided because their definitions tend to be unstable and many do not last. "
 * Without the comma, I read this as:
 * They should generally be avoided because (a) their definitions tend to be unstable and [because](b) many do not last.
 * With the comma, it reads as:
 * (a)They should generally be avoided because their definitions tend to be unstable, and (b)many do not last.
 * (There's probably a third interpretation as:
 * They should generally be avoided because their definitions tend to be unstable and many [of the definitions] do not last. !)
 * I think the first meaning is intended, so that the comma leads the reader to a different meaning.
 * Perhaps:
 * They should generally be avoided, because their definitions tend to be unstable and many of the terms do not last.
 * That comma seems helpful, and "the terms" clarifies. Would you find that acceptable? Pam  D  15:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the correction on needing to link to page! I will do so consistently in future.
 * I disagree with your stated rationale regarding possible difference in meaning, but it’s not a hill I’d die on. I think your proposed restatement improves on what’s there now, but, again, that last ‘and’ precedes an independent clause (‘Many of the terms do not last’ would be a valid sentence in its own right), one of the few areas of punctuation where the requirement is clear. If you still don’t like the comma there, I’d suggest something like:
 * They should generally be avoided, because: their definitions tend to be unstable; and, many of the terms [or, ‘many neologisms] do not last.
 * Or something in that neighborhood. Lemme know if I’m making little sense, which, heaven knows, happens often enough. Cheers,
 * Huskerdru (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I totally agree that adding ‘the terms’ does, indeed, clarify.
 * Huskerdru (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Huskerdru As an educated mother-tongue British English-speaker I'm not familiar with the rigid requirement you describe, about the need for a piece of punctuation to separate two independent clauses. I don't think I've ever come across it. Perhaps my very academic school was going through a liberal phase during my 1960s education. Where within Wikipedia is the grammatical advice to which you refer? I wonder if it's possible that this is something Americans are more particular about than other users of English?
 * I hope that your final suggestion, with a colon, semicolon and comma, was a joke. Pam  D  08:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I’m sorry you’ve opted for snark instead of cooperation. One good source, that Wikipedia includes in its style guides, is Oxford Univeristy Press’s Modern English Use (Comma), so, no, it’s very much British in origin, and among the most basic requirements of punctuation in English—don’t string together two sentences without punctuation. Perhaps it was not your school that was the issue in your lack of familiarity with it; I’m quite confident it was taught. I won’t belabor the issue or re-revert the change. I truly am interested in finding common ground, not insulting my fellow editors. The fact remains, however, it’s required. Huskerdru (talk) 12:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, and, no, not a joke, though the semicolon was a typo. Huskerdru (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Huskerdru No snark or insult intended, just real puzzlement and a simple request to know where in the Wikipedia MOS this is, as you say, required. Pam  D  14:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There's no snark there. Comma is far more tentative than you suggest, and the cases where a comma is absolutely required far fewer - essentially those where a different meaning or serious ambiguity would result from not having one. Fwiw, I have a (rather old) degree in English from what you call "Oxford Univeristy". Johnbod (talk) 14:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies! I read something into your post that you didn’t intend, mea culpa.
 * yes, fair point Johnbod. “Required” is, indeed, too strong. More accurate to say it’s recommended, and, in any case, unobjectionable. But, the whole point of punctuation is clarity, and if this doesn’t improve clarity, then it serves no good purpose.
 * fwiw, I’d say that’s worth quite a lot! Hmm, I call it University of Oxford. Do you generally assume we Yanks all call it by the wrong name? Some of us, at least, don’t. Huskerdru (talk) 18:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, you had "Oxford Univeristy Press" just above, but no doubt that was just a typo. Johnbod (talk) 18:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No typo, the publishing house is, indeed, called Oxford University Press (https://corp.oup.com/)…I did a lot of work with many good folk at OUP during my time at JSTOR. Huskerdru (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Huskerdru@Johnbod This is getting slightly silly: there are now two examples where someone has not spotted a typo "Univeristy" so has misunderstood what was being said, I think! Pam  D  19:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Good spot, lol, yes, the misspelling of university was definitely a typo! Huskerdru (talk) 19:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Huskerdru Agreed, clarity is all-important. We have "A because B and C", meaning "A because (B and C)". If we add a comma before "and", I think it then reads as "(A because B), and C". (Me, I'm a maths graduate ... with, coincidentally, an MSc in Information Studies.) So I think the added comma "serves no good purpose", to use your words. Perhaps the whole sentence is clumsy and needs to be rethought? Pam  D  18:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, your A-B-C notation makes much clearer to me how you saw the comma changing the possible reading of the sentence, thanks.
 * and, agreed, I think you also ably demonstrate that the sentence, however punctuated, could be reformulated for greater clarity. I’ll give it a few minutes’ thought and come up with a couple suggestions Huskerdru (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Pam
I am very thankful and appreciative of your edits to my first article! I can't help hoping you are proud of me as you are my auntie on here. I have learned to tidy up!! If you have a moment I am also proud of my edits to Momtaza Mehri. So many tidy-ups! When I was doing my linkings to The Complete Works (poetry) I came on this page Victoria Adukwei Bulley It is a terrible mess, so bad I ran away! Maybe you will look one day. NoorStores (talk) 10:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @NoorStores Most of VAB's page seems to be pretty much as I created it. What do you see as "a terrible mess"? There is little biographical info and no date of birth, because there seems to be nothing published. Pam  D  17:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Pam, I was remembering the wrong poet! I have been on a lightening tour of every one on the Complete Works Programme now and I got confused.
 * Victoria is in good shape but I must go back and put in Rathbones Folio Prize and John Pollard prize. NoorStores (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @NoorStores That's a relief! Who was the mess? Pam  D  17:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Pam I am concerned about Mona Arshi. She is a good poet! Her page is long and looks fine, but when you look at it the citations do not match up to the information. And I was not sure what was what, either, what was relevant. When I was tidying Momtaza Mehri it was easier because several links just didn't work and lots of information was missing so I was sure of what to do. But this gave me a headache, and I ran away! NoorStores (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @NoorStores Please try to remember to link any page you talk about in a talk page post: I shouldn't have had to copy and paste, or type, Mona Arshi.
 * I'm short of time right now, heading out to the funeral of an amazing 92-year-old who was an active member, with his rollator, of a supported walking group with which I volunteer, but I'll try and have a look at it some time. I see the article has been around for a while, with contributions from several different editors. Pam  D  11:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I see the article Mona Arshi was started in 2015 by @Uhooep, who is still an active editor, so they might like to have a look at it. Pam  D  11:34, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Pam, I apologise. I am learning! Just dashing to work now, thank you as ever for guidance. NoorStores (talk) 11:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Pam!!!
The Tomiwa Olowade article was published, all thanks to you! I'm at work but sneaking into Wiki! I'm addicted! NoorStores (talk) 14:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @NoorStores Or even Tomiwa Owolade! It's always worth glimpsing back at an edit to look out for surprising red links. I'm glad that my nudging to Drmies was successful. Yes, editing can become quite addictive and a huge timesink. I'm lucky enough to be retired, but even so there are other things I ought to spend more time on! Pam  D  19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Edits to Olive Clarke
Hi Pam, apologies I got cut off mid-sentence on my last edit to the Olive Clarke page (the problems with editing Wikipedia on mobile!). I removed (died) "peacefully in her sleep" as per WP:EUPHEMISM as I believe it to be non-encyclopaedic language like "slipped on" or "passed away". As per is standard, nationality should usually go at the start of the lead. Mentioning age in section about death is important too, especially when no infobox is present. As for beginning new paragraphs with "She"... I don't personally like this, but this one I won't fight you on if you wish to restore these. If you want to keep these changes off the page please let me know why below and we'll work together to make a better version. Hope you have a great day. Thanks! Jkaharper (talk) 09:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jkaharper Apologies: problems of mobile editing! I managed to get confused as to which direction the edit was going - perhaps couldn't believe that I hadn't created the article in the standard "A is a [nationality] [occupation]" form! Of course your version is the correct, standard one: I thought I was reverting in the other direction. And the other changes are fine too, though I'm not sure that "peacefully in her sleep" is really a euphemism: it's a truth, saying she didn't fall off a stepladder, or die in agony with cancer. It's not the same as using "passed away" etc: I wrote that she died. But as my only source for that statement is a Facebook post, I won't argue it.
 * I've now, as a reminder, added "[nationality]" to my boilerplate outline for biographies, having shockingly forgotten it this time!
 * Sorry again about the bad early-morning revert. Happy New(ish) Year! Pam  D  14:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No excuse really, but I was working on Clarke's article in a bit of a hurry, hoping to get it finished before her funeral the next day, having been reminded by seeing signposts for car-parking for the funeral (car-parking at the county show ground, shuttle buses to the parish church up its narrow lane) while driving my husband back from a hospital appt (she'd been on my "maybe to write one day" list for a while, but this nudged me). I still can't find a copyright-free photo, although there are plenty in the newspapers, and no-one in the WI Federation seems to have both a photo they've taken and are happy to share and the technical confidence to try uploading it. (I might contact the Young Farmers and see if they've got anyone who could help.)
 * I don't think my membership of Cumbria-Westmorland Federation of WIs counts as a COI, though I did speak to Olive a couple of times at county-wide meetings. An extraordinary person. Pam  D  14:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Keyerzozie page
Pam, I've mentioned it before, but you ROCK. You remind of my Auntie Z in Pakistan. She is the strict one, but all the cousins' favourite because she is the fair and kind one. NoorStores (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @NoorStores Thank you! "Fair" and "kind" are how I hope to be in editing Wikipedia, though I sometimes get a bit impatient too! I hadn't seen all the recent discussions until just earlier today, and wasn't about to get involved in the main discussion, but I did notice that that one editor seemed to have been editing as a COI editor for 20 years. It'll be interesting to see whether they respond. (For talk page watchers: this is about User talk:Keyserzozie).
 * I see some other editors have suggested this too, but you might do better to concentrate on creating new well-sourced articles on neglected poets and other writers, and step back from the Clanchy et al maelstrom. There are some red links in the author column for The Writers' Prize, mostly poets, and also the Somerset Maugham Award: being a winner or shortlisted for one of those is a good start for notability, and you then need to find a few reviews in solid WP:RS, and go on from there. Less stressful, but very useful to the encyclopedia, and to diversity if you choose suitably diverse people to write about! Pam  D  16:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * good idea Pam. I am very very happy with my The Complete Works (poetry) page. I know it is useful, and many people have linked to it, and I can imagine many people like me studying publishing using it in the future. It just made me happy to publish it. I will look up those red links for sure!
 * I will add 'brave' and 'kind' to my description of you. Also true of Auntie Z. NoorStores (talk) 16:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * GREAT tip Pam! I am going to do Zaffar Kunial! It would never occur to me he did not have a page! NoorStores (talk) 17:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Pam, You are very very brave!Thank you again. I think men like Mr Troutman speak for themselves though. Nobody could respect that.
 * Advice, please, do you think I should take Keyserzozie to Conflict of Interest page? I think she should say she is working for Joanne Harris on her talk page and on her articles? There is a badge for this I see. NoorStores (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * PS I have started on Zaffar Kunial. NoorStores (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Pam, I've been listening to my mum and big brother, and I'm leaving Wiki for at least a good bit. I have told them about you and they agree you are QUEEN and also a lot like Auntie Z. My mother said Auntie Z would put her hand in the fire for you, and my brother said, not if she could think of something smarter to do first!
 * You would think of something smarter.
 * I feel you have taught me about being a bigger person. And always to reference after the full stop! I hope I will meet you in person one day.
 * NOOR NoorStores (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please check this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Keyserzozie/Archive I don't think this is a fair record of what you did. I'm logging out now and staying out. NoorStores (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @NoorStores I don't think I harassed them, and nor does the SPI report suggest that I did. I'd have liked to see a reply to my question as to whether they had been a paid editor while doing their earlier work on the JH etc articles, but I asked it three days after their last edit (under that editor name!), so no surprise to get no response.
 * I've replied to "logging out now and staying out" at User talk:NoorStores. Pam  D  15:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Margaret Parker (Q18762034)


A tag has been placed on Margaret Parker (Q18762034) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

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 * So, just checking, @Fram and @Deb Was creating that redirect the right thing to do? I found her as a red link in WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Temperance worker, and discovered that she already had an article as Margaret Eleanor Parker. I reckoned that creating the redirect would save other WiR editors from wasting time thinking about, or making, a duplicate article for her. I think I checked that she was already linked as a hatnote from the article which was then at the base name of Margaret Parker, and I also did what I could to get the two Wikidata entries combined.  See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Was it correct to create this redirect as a temporary measure?  Pam  D  15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I think this needs to be solved at Wikidata level, by merging/redirecting the duplicate entry to the existing one, not by "polluting" enwiki (I mean it less accusatory than it probably sounds, I don't mean to claim that you were vandalizing or anything similar). Take for example Ida Henrietta HydeWD entry and Ida HydeWD entry. At WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Inventors, we have a redlink for Ida Hyde (Q122841752), but what needs to be done is not the creation of this redlink, but the removal (as a separate entry) of the duplicate Wikidata entry: when this is done, the next run of Listeriabot should remove the entry from the WiR list. Until that next run, you could also edit the WiR list to point to the right article on enwiki of course. Fram (talk) 15:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I hadn't looked at the history carefully enough. @Fram is right, of course. Deb (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Deb@Fram Thanks, both. So another time I should fix the WikiData duplication, and then pipe the redlink in the table to the existing article, because the next run to produce an updated table will not include an entry for this person because the duplicate WikiData entry which was creating it will no longer exist. I think I've got that clear now! "Every day a school day" when it comes to editing Wikipedia (especially in the somewhat baffling territory of Wikidata). I hope I can remember it next time I find one of these. Pam  D  16:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome! Thank you so much for joining the drive. When I perform a scan of articles belong to Category:Women writers and Category:All articles lacking sources using PetScan, I found that there are 52 articles:


 * Ida Nyrop Ludvigsen
 * Ifigeneia Giannopoulou
 * Jana Černá
 * Eufrosinia Kersnovskaya
 * Hanni Ossott
 * Pilar de Lusarreta
 * Quenby Fung
 * Nienke van Hichtum
 * Ansen Dibell
 * Ida Vos
 * Susanna Highmore
 * Charlotte Fielden
 * Spunk (play)
 * Leonor López de Córdoba
 * Martha Cheavens
 * Ling Li (writer)
 * Clardeluna
 * Kayla Parker
 * Tamar Fish Nachshon
 * Jennifer Dawson
 * Peggy Sloane
 * Dagon Khin Khin Lay
 * Lina Ramann
 * Aroti Dutt
 * Eleni Ourani
 * Dickinson Electronic Archives
 * Georgette Vallejo
 * Madeleine Schlumberger
 * Susana Molinari Leguizamón
 * Edythe Morahan de Lauzon
 * Geneviève Fauconnier
 * Sigrid Boo
 * Marcia Levin
 * Kumari Radha
 * Constanza Ossorio
 * Elysa Ayala
 * Ana Pelegrín
 * María Nieves y Bustamante
 * Stefania Mosca
 * Kata Szidónia Petrőczy
 * Jeannie Ebner
 * Ehrengard Schramm
 * Saeeda Faiz
 * Anna Zay
 * List of Greek women writers
 * List of Bolivian women writers
 * Pooran (singer)
 * Margarita Rudenko
 * List of experimental women writers
 * Liu Zunqi
 * Something Childish
 * Gloria Alcorta

Since you are a member of the WP:Women in Red project, I think you might be interested in these articles and you might want to practice your citation skills on them. Anyways, I wish you good luck on the drive on February 1! You'll need it. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @CactiStaccingCrane Dipping into a couple of those at random, I think I'm going to need to brush up my knowledge of what is and isn't a WP:RS for people like SF writers! I might have a go at some of these, in Feb, or I might go for the random approach or pick a chunk of the alphabet of the general listing. I've not used PetScan but had a go at changing your "Women writers" to "British women", still intersecting with unsourced, which produces an interesting batch of 56 articles ... including the baffling Scotland's Forgotten Valour. I can only think that the category Category:Victoria Cross books got interpreted as "Books by the (female) writer called Victoria Cross"! Several of the others need access to "Debretts" or similar: I might even make a list of those and pop it on the talk page of a relevant Wikiproject. I'll enjoy doing something with these, in Feb. Makes a change from fractious discussions about spats between twittering writers.  Pam  D  15:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm very glad that you enjoy the drive, indeed it is also an excuse for me to not joining any AfD and getting suck into nasty debates. There's another more convenient way to find articles than using PetScan, which is [search term] incategory:"All articles lacking sources". It's pretty interesting what you can found on there. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 00:57, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Clach-beinn
Did you mean to title this without the "h"? The Ordnance Survey and all 3 sources in the article call it "Clach-bheinn". Should it be moved without redirect at WP:RMT to Clach-bheinn, Highland or just Clach-bheinn?  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Crouch, Swale Thanks for spotting that! I've fixed it, I think. Have spent too much of this afternoon sorting out another pair of confused Scottish mountains, going off at tangents from WP:FEB24. All very satisfying, filling in bits of the jigsaw. I see you noticed my new parish article yesterday and gave it an infobox, thanks.  Pam  D  17:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Great Lives
I finished with the available categories for Great Lives. You can proceed with updating the text. Dimadick (talk) 14:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Dimadick Thanks! I'll load up the rest of the current series ... which may leave you some more categories to add. Pam  D  14:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dimadick Done. Pam  D  16:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Eleonara Amalia Maria Adelborg


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Speedy deletion nomination of Eleonara Adelborg


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Museumand article
Hi, @PamD, just alerting you to an AfD discussion I've started at an article you created. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 20:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Knockbrack, County Dublin
It's currently just a blank page – would you like it deleted or as a redirect? DanCherek (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Deleted, please: I created another redirect at Knockbrack (Dublin) in line with other Irish mountains. Thanks. Pam  D  23:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, done. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 23:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

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Women in Red March 2024
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"No point in piping"
Re: this edit in future it would perhaps be better for you to make such an edit as a fresh one, rather than by undoing me. My edit was, as was clearly labelled, reverting block evasion. I'm sure you don't want people to mistakenly assume you are editing on behalf of the evader. DuncanHill (talk) 11:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @DuncanHill I'm not sure it's necessary to revert every edit by a blocked editor: WP:BANREVERT says "This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert." Avoiding a pipe to a redirect is slightly less clearcut than fixing a typo or vandalism, but pretty near.
 * I don't think anyone would say I was editing on behalf of the evader, when my edit summary explains my reasoning for the edit.
 * But, to keep you happy, I'll undo my undoing, and then make the sensible change. ... Done.
 * It's an article verging on the AFD-able in any case: no evidence that NT or anyone else uses the term "Wasdale, Eskdale and Duddon" as one entity. I came across it when looking at the Petscan intersection of Category:Articles lacking sources and Category:Cumbria for WP:FEB24: it was one which I gave up on, but while I was looking at it I took a short cut to unpiping an unnecessary piping by reverting your edit. Will try to remember to avoid doing similar UNDOs in future. Pam  D  14:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * @AnomieBOT The bot didn't notice that I'd also reverted the previous edit which had caused the problem. Pam  D  06:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Template for MPs
Howdy. I'm asking for the 'majority' parameter to be deleted at Template:Infobox officeholder, concerning Members of Parliament. Not sure when or why its been added. Also noticed them in the current members of the Scottish & Welsh Parliaments, along with current members of the British Parliament. These infoboxes are about officer holder, not election results. GoodDay (talk) 06:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I notice you didn't restore the 'vote total & percentage'. May I take it, you agree with me, such info doesn't belong in an officeholder infobox? GoodDay (talk) 07:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

A citation barnstar for you
For good work during WP: FEB24 Davidindia (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it was fun ... and somewhat addictive. Pam  D  15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I seem to have come 18th in the league table for WP:FEB24; it was fun trying to improve the encyclopedia and there are few, if any, completely unsourced items left for British and Irish hills, British rivers, Cumbria (having removed the Welsh items from the category tree), City of Lancaster, and fewer than there were for Lancashire, plus some random work. WP:Petscan, which I'd always assumed was something very technical, turns out to be a very easy way to intersect category trees, so I could match Category:All articles lacking sources with anything I found interesting or had good sources for. Pam  D  15:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gerda Arendt Thank you! Pam  D  16:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Possible unintentional COI at Museumand article/deletion discussion
Hi, @pamD, I'd like to make a friendly and helpful comment here to see what you think. I was surprised to see your comments at the deletion discussion about the PR company which I think has been involved in placing Museumand related material on various, often unverifiable, websites. There is no doubt whatever that M&H Ltd is a private company which self-describes as business PR and event organising business. Most such companies operate within a single sector, in this case museums and, at the margins, libraries. My concern about your comment is that it seems to me that your desire to present M@H Ltd in the way you have might extend from membership of what you consider a community rather than a business. I also wonder if you have been in contact with the Museumand owners since we started the deletion discussion; there is an indication to me that you might have been. I've also noticed a pattern at the deletion discussion which might suggest that supportive comments might have been solicited. I could be entirely wrong, of course, and please excuse me if I am. I would say, though, that I think if I were right then you might be in breach of COI policy and it would be better to declare a personal interest. I am not suggesting in any way that you are doing anything untoward on purpose and I have no doubt that you are editing in good faith; I do find that your efforts at the deletion discuss appear, to me, more like lobbying than a regular editing discussion. Happy to discuss further. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I find your attitude very odd, too, intent on destroying an article and ready to make careless assertions.
 * For complete clarity: Yes, I emailed Museumand, once. I'll add it to the AfD. Pam  D  11:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, @pamD, I'd ask you to assume good faith. I've simply proposed deletion of an article which conforms to AfD requirements and does not conform to the various WP policies I've laid out. I opened a dialogue here, not at the deletion discussion, because that is the first stage of the WP:COI process as I understand it. My view, having read what you've put at the AfD, is that your actions go beyond editing and participating in an AfD to a point where you are essentially acting as a supporter of Museumand (if it exists). In conjunction with your (no doubt accidental) misrepresentation of a commercial PR company as a 'community', which suggests to me that you may be part of that community', I think it is quite possible that you are breaching WP:COI. I won't carry on this discussion at the AfD page because that is a distraction from the AfD process. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 18:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Yup, deliberate link - good to see the bot keeping us all up to scratch! Pam  D  18:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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March 2024
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. ''This one. WP:EDITSUMMARY: provide a meaningful summary for every edit, especially when reverting (undoing) the actions of other editors'' <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(-3deg);bottom:-.1em;">Paradoctor (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Paradoctor Sorry about that: I couldn't just use "Undo" as there were two edits, and forgot that "Rollback" doesn't allow for an edit summary while "Rollback (AGF)" does. I should have gone to your talk page, or followed it up with a dummy edit with an edit summary. My reason for reverting your edit was that the QVH dab page didn't seem appropriate: anything known as "Queen Victoria Hospital" would have been on the dab page, anything else would be irrelevant. (But perhaps WP:DTR: If you look at my edit history or my edit summary analysis, you can see that 99.6% of my edits have summaries (and most of the rest are probably cases where Twinkle adds an automatic one). A "You seem to have forgotten to add a summary to this edit, I wonder if you could explain it" might have been more appropriate here.)  Pam  D  17:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the revert as such. If I did, I would have let you known.
 * couldn't just use "Undo" WP:UNDO: It is also possible to undo several consecutive edits, even if they conflict among themselves: view the "diff" to be removed (by selecting the earliest and most recent revisions in the history and clicking "compare selected revisions"), and click the "undo" link.
 * If you look at [...] my edit summary analysis Surprise. I did. That's why I used uw-wrongsummary, not uw-editsummary2.
 * seem to have forgotten to add a summary You didn't forget, the edit an edit summary. What you neglected to do was to provide a  edit summary, as per above. The way it is now, your revert could easily be read as a vandalism revert.
 * or followed it up with a dummy edit with an edit summary That's the thing that gets me. Why haven't you I notified you? It's not as if there was something stopping you.
 * [Please don't ping me, I'm watching.] <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(-3deg);bottom:-.1em;">Paradoctor (talk) 18:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Paradoctor I didn't see any need as I'd explained myself to you here, but have now made a dummy edit with explanation. wrongsummary doesn't seem to match the situation of leaving an automatic edit summary, as it suggests a positive choice of inappropriate words. "Revert" is a neutral term and implies nothing. Yes, I suppose multiple "Undo"s would have worked.  Pam  D  21:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Am on phone so can't easily correct on talkpage: I meant uw-wrongsummary. Pam  D  21:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For the second time: Please don't ping me, I'm watching.
 * I'd explained myself to you here Edit histories are permanent record, you know that, right? If it was only for myself, then I wouldn't have asked.
 * doesn't seem to match the situation of leaving an automatic edit summary We're responsible for our edits, automated or not. Also note H:ES: Except for the automatic summary when creating a redirect, [...] these are not a substitute for a proper edit summary
 * "Revert" is a neutral term and implies nothing. It is so neutral that it explains nothing beyond the bare fact that it is a revert. As I pointed out at the very beginning of this conversation: WP:FIES provide a summary [added emphasis]. Which means giving a, which the canned edit summary doesn't.
 * Perhaps more to the is that just about the only situation where lack of meaningful edit summary is widely tolerated is reversion of obvious vandalism. Which means saying "this is a revert" and nothing else carries a strong connotation of vandalism. You've been around a smidgen longer than I, this should not come as a surprise. <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(-3deg);bottom:-.1em;">Paradoctor (talk) 00:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Edit summaries are not compulsory. "Revert" is neutral. Templating a longstanding editor with a template welcoming them to Wikipedia is not appropriate. This conversation has wasted enough time and is now closed. Pam  D  08:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello ,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

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Leeds Wikipedia meetup on Saturday 4th May
Hello there! Interested in having a chat with fellow Wikipedians? There's a meetup in Leeds on Saturday 4th May 2024, at the Tiled Hall Café at Leeds Central Library.

Full details here.

You're receiving this one-off message as you're either a member of WikiProject Yorkshire, you've expressed an interest in a previous Leeds meetup years ago, or (for about 4 of you), we've met :)

I plan to organise more in future, so if you'd like to be notified next time, please say so over on the meetup page.

Please also invite any Wikimedia people you know (or have had wiki dealings with) – spread the word! Hope to see you there.

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20:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words
Hi PamD, thank you for your kind words in the NPP discussion. I worry that accessibility to Wikipedia is harmed by “bloat”, both in the increasing level of technical skills expected, and in the discussions of how WP operates.

That chart really pinged my meter, as you appreciated. I got the bot/message a month ago and was bothered by it. I thought I would just ignore it, as hey-man-I’m-Josh suggested, but I kept coming back to it. I finally concluded that if it was bothering me that much, I should give some feedback on why it had turned me off from volunteering.

I don’t have much by way of technical skills, and I find it intimidating to do much on WP besides working on content. That flowchart just confirmed for me that I should stick to content. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Spinney Hill
I have seen your email. I am afraid I am not. Both my parents had sisters but they died without having had children so I have no first cousins. Thanks for your help on lakhs. Spinney Hill (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I just wondered: "Spinney Hill", in the East Midlands was an aunt's home where we celebrated my grandmother's 80th birthday many years ago, and one of the cousins who lived there went on to be a solicitor. Strange coincidences! Thanks for getting back to me. Pam  D  14:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Spinney Hill is just the district of Northampton I live in. Spinney Hill (talk) 14:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Morning
Morning.  scope_creep Talk  08:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * ??? Pam  D  14:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Women in Red May 2024
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The Outward Bound (painting) and Leeds meetup
Well, that was fun. Having enjoyed a splendid Wikipedia meetup in Leeds with and a low-profile vandal-fighter who I won't name, I wandered into the adjacent Leeds Art Gallery wondering whether a favourite painting was on show. A staff member I talked to, who'd been talking very knowledgeably about a Victorian painting to some other visitors, didn't seem to have heard of it although it used to be on display in the entrance hall, and directed me to the ArtUK database for any information.

So there is now information about The Outward Bound (painting) in the articles on artist Frederick Cayley Robinson, violinist Wallace Hartley in whose memory it was commissioned and donated, and Cultural legacy of the Titanic (not sure if that's the optimal Titanic-related placement but it needs to be around there somewhere), because Hartley was the violinist and bandleader who went down with the ship. The painting is quite moving: first you see a young lad looking out to sea, perhaps hoping to be "Outward Bound" himself some day... then you count the funnels, or read the inscription, and realise it's not just any old liner, it's the Titanic, which puts a quite different spin on it. And unfortunately it doesn't seem to be on display at present.

It was good to meet you all, hope your later plans for the day/weekend all went well. we were sorry you couldn't make it. The Wray Scarecrow Festival I was talking about is here, and is worth a visit: always May Day bank holiday weekend and the previous week and weekend. Happy editing! Pam D  09:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It was great to meet you all, too. And thank you, Professor PamD, for the good advice on WP stuff - it's always great to exchange ideas. Storye book (talk) 09:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was so sad to miss it too @PamD - hopefully another will be sorted when I am in Leeds! I'm so glad it went well, kudos to @Jonathan Deamer Lajmmoore (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Was great to meet you @PamD, @Storye book! Will be sure to ping you about the next one...and I'm bring a sign as well, inspired by Pam ;) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I enjoyed the meet, and was glad to meet you all. And Come From Away was outstanding, and everything my friends had told me. Our concert in the evening, at Masham parish church also went very well. ColinFine (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Lancaster
Hi before you revert the collage again. A discussion has been opened on the talk page for Lancaster to discuss any photo changes so feel free to discuss there. Please leave the collage as is until a agreed collage is met thanks 👍DragonofBatley (talk) 10:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Women in Red June 2024
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Awards article
Do you know how many minimum awards must won to have a separate awards article for an actor? 103.154.37.177 (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * No, I just didn't think it seemed appropriate in that case. Pam  D  15:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For talk page watchers: see Articles for deletion/List of awards and nominations received by Rashmika Mandanna. Pam  D  15:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I just want to know the number for my knowledge. If you know please tell. Thanks. 103.166.245.97 (talk) 13:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no specific number, as far as I know. Please discuss this at Articles for deletion/List of awards and nominations received by Rashmika Mandanna. I have no interest in actresses' awards lists in general, was only alerted to that AfD when I saw it on WikiProject Women/Article alerts.
 * You could discuss it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards, where there are people interested in awards who may have views.  Pam  D  13:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)