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Hello, I know it is a long shot. I wanted to ask you if you would know why my delsort stopped working. You showed me how to set it up and it was working great until a few hours ago. It suddenly stopped working so I do not know if I did something wrong. I tried a computer restart, a different browser, and nothings seems to work. Looks like nothing has been changed here: User:Lightburst/common.js. Thank you Lightburst (talk) 01:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * looks like a bit of code it used was just removed. Thanks to, who identified how to fix it. Should be good now. FWIW there are other scripts that are probably better maintained. e.g. User:Enterprisey/delsort. I do prefer this one, though, because I like having all of them there. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 03:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, you forked it and added some, so it won't be fixed for you. You'll need to edit your User:Lightburst/common.js page and make the same change I just did here. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 03:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow! Thank you! I made just the specific edits and now it works! Thank you much! Lightburst (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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RfA 2021 review update
Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, and.

The following had consensus support of participating editors:
 * 1) Corrosive RfA atmosphere
 * The atmosphere at RfA is deeply unpleasant. This makes it so fewer candidates wish to run and also means that some members of our community don't comment/vote.
 * 1) Level of scrutiny
 * Many editors believe it would be unpleasant to have so much attention focused on them. This includes being indirectly a part of watchlists and editors going through your edit history with the chance that some event, possibly a relatively trivial event, becomes the focus of editor discussion for up to a week.
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 * It used to be far easier to pass RfA however the standards necessary to pass have continued to rise such that only "perfect" candidates will pass now.
 * 1) Too few candidates
 * There are too few candidates. This not only limits the number of new admin we get but also makes it harder to identify other RfA issues because we have such a small sample size.
 * 1) "No need for the tools" is a poor reason as we can find work for new admins

The following issues had a rough consensus of support from editors: 1. Lifetime tenure (high stakes atmosphere) Because RfA carries with it lifetime tenure, granting any given editor sysop feels incredibly important. This creates a risk adverse and high stakes atmosphere.

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WikiCup 2021 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is, who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:


 * 1) with 5072 points
 * 2) with 3276 points
 * 3) with 3197 points
 * 4) with 1611 points
 * 5) with 1571 points
 * 6) with 1420 points
 * 7) with 1043 points
 * 8) with 528 points

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 * wins the featured article prize, for 8 FAs in round 5.
 * wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 5.
 * wins the featured topic prize, for 13 articles in a featured topic in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 63 GAs in round 4.
 * wins the good topic prize, for 86 articles in good topics in round 5.
 * wins the reviewer prize, for 68 FAC reviews and 213 GAN reviews, both in round 5.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 30 did you know articles in round 3 and 105 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 71 in the news articles in round 1 and 284 overall.

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A barnstar for you!

 * Also I've been slowly reading that book you recommended, Wikipedia and the politics of openness I think the title is, and it's a fascinating perspective on the project. Thanks for the recommendation! — Wug·a·po·des​ 00:20, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've had that on my "definitely need to read" list ever since I started skimming Rhododendrites' dissertation. It's nice it's available though WP:TWL. :) Guettarda (talk) 02:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank ye. I appreciate the book's broader critique of "openness," which feels long overdue, and its theorizing certain aspects of Wikipedia (I can't remember now if "consensus games" was his or me riffing on what he wrote, but it's a good one nonetheless) more than a lot of its specifics (a lot of text to say "forking Wikipedia is easier said than done", and some of the examples of disputes are dated/worn out). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 02:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't remember the term "consensus games", but I haven't finished it yet so maybe it's to come. But yes, I think the focus on production rather than outcomes is an important conceptual shift. I'm not as deep in the literature as I'm sure you are, but in the works I've read the discussions of production have been in service of understanding outcomes--how does the demographic composition of editors affect the body of content, for example. I think a focus on production though gets us farther--how are modes of production created and sustained? That question gives us a better sense of the boundaries on the space of possible outcomes, and I think just generally moves the conversation forward. As a concrete example, on the US and Canada WMF grants committee one of our points of discussion has been allocating funds to support "capacity building". Instead of evaluating grants primarily on outcomes like number of edits or topic areas improved, we're thinking about how to support organizations in creating new modes of production. My thinking being that new infrastructure and modes of knowledge creation will be more durable while still affecting the range of outcomes in ways we would want. The general assumption seems to be that these would like supporting the creation of bureaucratic forms of organization, but the discussion in chapter 3 (bureaucracy vs ad-hocracy) gives a compelling critique of that assumption. A community built around "openness" as a frame is in tension with a purely bureaucratic mode of production, and so the resulting organizational structure flows between centralization and decentralization. So what does that mean for organizations hoping to interface with it? I'm not sure, but I don't think I would have come to it on my own. — Wug·a·po·des​ 20:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

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Section for blatantly peer pressuring people for WP:ACE2021
Some names from the list of past arbs who haven't run in a while but would be good for it (omitting a couple that I already know would decline):, , , ,

Some names who haven't done it before but would be good for it:, , , , , , ,

If you're mentioned here, it's because in my estimation you show good judgment and/or insight when it comes to difficult disputes, and tend to resolve rather than exacerbate drama. If you're seeing this, I'm probably not the first to make this suggestion, and I don't expect a response. Just hoping to catch you in a moment of poor judgment such that you might consider it. :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 17:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My judgment's too good this year, maybe next year. signed,Rosguill talk 18:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I will be retired in a year and might consider it then. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My judgement is poor, but it's not that poor, not right now :). In all seriousness thank you for thinking of me, but not this year. Mackensen (talk) 18:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've foolishly put myself forward for one incredible time-sink (from which I was soundly rejected), which suggests that my judgement is poor enough to run for arbcom. I honestly hadn't considered it, but I suppose I'll give it some thought. Guettarda (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I certainly appreciate your thought, but I would not have time enough over the next year to allocate to it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * what's the time commitment really like? (I know it's bad, but I gather it's less bad than it was circa 2010.) Guettarda (talk) 23:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , it's quite variable and unpredictable. A few weeks might go by with very little to do, and then all of a sudden there's a case request, two other blowups, and a bunch of emails for other issues, and everyone's scrambling just to keep their head above water. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's quite helpful. Guettarda (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses/consideration, all. Wugapodes threw in after all. Glad to hear a couple others are giving it thought for now or in the future.
 * Someone else comes to mind: &mdash;  Rhododendrites  talk \\ 02:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the consideration, but I fear I don't have quite the head for the drama or the requisite time this year, and rather suspect the community as a whole would not feel me ready to serve. Perhaps in the future. Thanks again, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for considering me, but I don’t think I have the ability to make the time commitment this year. (If done right, it’s a substantial time commitment.) Perhaps next year. Neutralitytalk 02:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I am surprised and flattered but I must decline. My job takes up way too much time for me to be able to commit to the demands of ARBCOM. Also, I know there are folks out there who likely still hold negative views of me and would raise objections.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

It sounds like a few of you might consider it in the future. (Partial-huzzah!) And two of you threw your hat in! (Huzzah!) Thanks for considering, all. Next year we try the "double dog dare you" approach to peer pressure and see how that goes. Until then... &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 00:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems to have worked in my case. Thanks for doing this. Enterprisey (talk!) 01:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry Rhododentdrites I kept meaning to respond. What I was going to say is that my life has changed so much that I have not got the time to do the job. Besides getting older, you may know that I have Parkinson's. I also lost quite a bit of weight 2 years ago. To keep healthy and fight off Parkinson's (and old age a bit), I now walk about 4 miles a day, use my exercise bike half an hour a day, do ordinary Pilates twice a week and Parkinson's Pilates once a week plus some balance work (all this via YouTube and Zoom, the ordinary Pilates is by a well known professional who charges much less than she's worth). I struggle to keep up with my watchlist, Admin, CU and OS work and don't want to give that up which I'd have to do to even half-way do the work as an Arb. I'm glad to see that there are probably 8 candidates worth voting for. I was pretty worried earlier. Doug Weller  talk 17:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I didn't know -- that's quite a regimen! I'm feeling a little self-conscious that my main activity today, other than 30 seconds of carrying someone's luggage up/down the stairs, was, I guess, taking the dog to do its business? I've made a couple attempts at Pilates, but always feel too far behind in the flexibility department (and NYC apartments don't have a ton of extra floor space). Anyway, glad it all leaves you some time for Wikipedia, even if not arbing. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 04:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You should live in Brooklyn. Pilates has helped a lot with flexibility. I regret I didn't do any real exercise before I retired. But as for time, after a Zoom meeting with the Foundation last night it looks like I might be pretty busy the first few months of next year, so I'm really glad I didn't run! Doug Weller  talk 13:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations, and ! &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 14:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and congratulations on your successful pressuring! You'll need to find another fool selfless civil servant to pressure next year though since I won't be eligible. — Wug·a·po·des​ 22:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and like Wug, I'm happy the pressuring worked out :) Here's to a relatively boring two years, hopefully... Enterprisey (talk!) 10:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * Oops. Thought I responded to this. The context for that template is here: Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_180. As can be seen there, after I created it, someone pointed out an alternative. I'm not sure which is better, but perhaps we can take the lack of responses to my post as indication. :) I just went ahead and move it (with the related categories) to my userspace without leaving a redirect. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 00:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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Mockingbird pic change
Hello Rhodo- While I like your excellent photo of M polyglottos in Bay Ridge, I think many people might find the one you replaced it with to be more representative. Subjectively speaking, "my" mockingbird, who perches outside the living room, more often presents the aspect of the NH one you replaced. No big deal, just wanted to run the thought by you. PS, That lesser yellowlegs pic on your userpage is mad good. Eric talk 18:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I'm not sure what you mean by more often presents the aspect of the NH one? I gather NH=New Hampshire, but do you mean it looks more like the one I replaced? Could you elaborate on the differences? The new one is sharper, and the white balance rings truer to my eyes. Its one shortcoming IMO is that it's on a fence rather than something more natural. Though I feel pretty confident that it's an improvement, I make it a point not to be pushy about my own photos and invite anyone who disagrees to restore the previous version. :) If I feel strongly enough, I can always open a talk page section to make a case.
 * And thanks, I was happy with the yellowlegs shot, too. In that case, the article already had a shot which is quite good in the infobox, and which shows the bird's legs (always better to show the whole thing, I reckon). &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 23:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi- No, I don't feel strongly about it. Re the aspect: I just mean that shape-wise, the predecessor (yes, from New Hampshire) looks more like the mockingbirds I see, whereas your guy looks shorter and more plump, almost like it's a smaller bird. Now, when I look at the Cornell and Audubon sites, the photos there have some that look like yours, and others more like what I'm used to. So my original post seems more subjective than I thought. I agree that the color balance is better in your shot. Maybe the bird that frequents my yard (which I pretend is the same one lo these thirty years) is just a longer, narrower version of the species. Anyway, again, I think yours is an excellent photo. Eric talk 00:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of subjectivity in this, yeah. No hard feelings if you want to rv (or start a thread). A 30 year old mockingbird would know so many songs! &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 01:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, Rhodo- A follow-up post: At this moment there is a mockingbird outside my window that looks more like your pic than the one I thought was more typical! I think he might have overheard our chat... Eric talk 18:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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RFA 2021 Completed
The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular, , and for closing the most difficult conversations and for  for closing the review of one of the closes.

The following proposals gained consensus and have all been implemented:
 * 1) Revision of standard question 1 to Special thanks to  for help with implementation.
 * 2) A new process, Administrative Action Review (XRV) designed to review if an editor's specific use of an advanced permission, including the admin tools, is consistent with policy in a process similar to that of deletion review and move review. Thanks to all the editors who contributed (and are continuing to contribute) to the discussion of how to implement this proposal.
 * 3) Removal of autopatrol from the administrator's toolkit. Special thanks to and  for their help with implementation.

The following proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration:
 * 1) An option for people to run for temporary adminship ( proposal, discussion, & close )
 * 2) An optional election process ( proposal & discussion and close review & re-close )

Editors who wish to discuss these ideas or other ideas on how to try to address any of the six issues identified during phase 1 for which no proposal gained are encouraged to do so at RFA's talk page or an appropriate village pump.

A final and huge thanks all those who participated in this effort to improve our RFA process over the last 4 months. This is the final update with no further talk page messages planned. 01:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)