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Hello, I see you are a participant of WikiProject Media. I made some proposals to update the article about Pluto TV, posted here Talk:Pluto TV. Since I have a conflict of interest, I can’t make the changes. Could you possibly have time to look at these? Thank you very much.RadicalBodhi (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi! I just wanted you advice regarding 3O
I saw your comment regarding my comments and my lack of edits. I just noticed that it was close. Did you close it? I believe that the comment that files it for archive was not removed nor was there a reason provided. Would it be ok to place it for archive and to place as a reason "Recommended forward to 3O". May I ask if there is an official/or unofficial consensus on edits of the DRN? Or other pages. I really would like to help more but I don't really have a starting point and the DRN seemed like an ok option however you might know a better place since you have more experience. Chefs-kiss (talk) 11:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The comment about your edit count was perhaps a bit dismissive -- sorry about that. I doubt there's any specific number -- whatever number gives someone a strong grasp of Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes and policies and guidelines. Dispute resolution is hard, and requires being able to understand the often very complicated problems that arise, as well as to know when DRN is an appropriate option. In the Breitbart case, it just needed a third opinion.
 * I did not close it, and it still appears as "in progress" to me. I see what disputes are going on at DRN when I browse the dashboard, but don't really participate there otherwise. It sits in kind of a weird spot in the array of dispute resolution mechanisms in that it's not binding, doesn't typically attract a lot of uninvolved opinions, and takes some time/bureaucracy. I'd recommend talking to if you want advice/insight specific to DRN (including proper technical procedures), since I think he's largely responsible for keeping it afloat for some time now, and may appreciate help.
 * A good step if you're interested in helping to resolve disputes on Wikipedia may be to browse the open requests for comments. Get a sense for the different positions, relevant policies, and weigh in. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 13:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Rhododendrites, User:Chefs-kiss - I am a little puzzled. I was pinged, but I don't know what the background was, and I don't see where there was a mention of edit counts. What is the context or issue?  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The specifics aren't as important as that Chefs-kiss is looking to get more involved at DRN, and I suggested you'd know better than I what sorts of requirements/expectations there are there. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 05:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for an old comment
Rhododendrites, I wanted to thank you for something you said a while back. This comment has been really helpful. It's like a coin kept in the pocket to remind you of something. More often than I might want to admit I find myself wanting to say something very snarky to others. Not something that is obviously a violation but certainly not something that helps overall civility. That is when the above message comes in handy. A little reminder that in the long term we are all better if we don't focus on the personal is really helpful. Thanks again for leaving it. Springee (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I do think it helps when people keep cool, even if it's frustrating to do so. Personally, I'm more likely to stop helping with an article/discussion if the people I agree with are ramping up the hostility/toxicity, even where I might stick around if it were someone I disagreed with. If only more people appreciated the extent to which their own behavior reflects on others beyond the ones they're trying to prove wrong... meh. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 03:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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Response to your question on ANI
I'm writing here to respond to this question, I would point back to my initial !vote and to Tamzin's second comment, particularly where xe stated that NI's stated understanding of WP:RS is a huge problem for editing if taken as genuine (and, as I will add, this is particularly a problem where dealing with living people or other contentious topics). A bludgeoning restriction would help in terms of allowing discussions to proceed more smoothly, but I don't think it's sufficient to prevent the sorts of GENSEX-related flagrant BLP issues from occurring again. I'm writing here, rather than on AN/I, because I'm hoping to disengage from the thread, and because I don't think I have anything new to add to the conversation at this point.

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 * Yeah, I saw a couple RS-related issues that were concerning, but I don't think I've seen enough for a broad topic ban yet. I'm generally a fan of narrower interventions first where possible. The bludgeoning evidence (combined with my own experience) does point to a "bludgeoning restriction" possibly having some value, but it would be tough to word. Regardless, that ANI thread and the threads it links to are already pretty long, and I feel like I might be missing some evidence, so I'm probably just going to tap out of that one. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 04:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing news 2023 #1
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Essays, guidelines, etc
I think you've made some good points there, and can't help but wonder if it is not well past time we had a systemic review of the whole tree of designations like this. One thought that came to me is to deprecate the "guideline" designation entirely, and instead make all instructional pages "information pages" which to me seem to be essentially the same thing, but without the baggage of having to get them formally approved as such. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You mean deprecate the guideline designation as it applies to instructional pages, or everywhere? Would notability become an information page or would it be promoted to a policy? I haven't done a full review, and don't know of one. Part of the confusion is the dual meaning of "levels of consensus/support" and "principles vs. practices" (or something like that) as well as the differently functioning content vs. behavioral vs. administrative/procedural pages. I started to type out about five different version of "if I were to start from scratch I'd...", scrapping each one. Will have to give it more thought. Maybe an audit would be helpful for a big picture. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 15:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, any such review would need to be very carefully planned out, what I mentioned here was just the first idea to pop into my mind. With the ArbCom workload being what it is I'm not currently in the "big policy RFC" business for at leat another year. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Can't blame you. The gig economy of the Big Policy RfC Business pays much less than the lucrative long-term contracts in the Arbitrating Business. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 15:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 March newsletter
So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Unlimitedlead with 1205 points, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with two featured articles on historical figures and several featured article candidate reviews.
 * Epicgenius was in second place with 789 points; a seasoned WikiCup competitor he specialises in buildings and locations in New York.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG was in third place with 625 points, garnered from a featured article on a filmmaker which qualified for an impressive number of bonus points.
 * 🇺🇸 TheJoebro64, another WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points gained from two featured articles on video games.
 * Iazyges was in fifth place with 532 points, from two featured articles on classical history.

The top sixteen contestants at the end of Round 1 had all scored over 300 points; these included LunaEatsTuna,  Thebiguglyalien,  Sammi Brie,  Trainsandotherthings,  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski, 🇮🇩 Juxlos,  Unexpectedlydian,  SounderBruce, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Kosack,  BennyOnTheLoose and  PCN02WPS. It was a high-scoring start to the competition.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. The first round finished on February 26. Remember that any content promoted after that date but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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Your GA nomination of Involuntary hospitalization of Joyce Patricia Brown
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 * Thanks for the review! It'll take me a few days to get into this, but I'll ping when there's progress. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 02:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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mass creation of articles
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28policy%29&diff=prev&oldid=1145902035 this comment]: just a note that Paradise Chronicle participated in the RfC, so I think it's reasonable to believe their proposal has been influenced by the RfC discussion. isaacl (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hm. That's odd that it wasn't mentioned then. Maybe they wished to leave it behind as baggage. Wouldn't blame them, but a huge, directly relevant, very recent discussion seems good to link anyway. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 17:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Involuntary hospitalization of Joyce Patricia Brown
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