User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 52

Draft:Samuel Neaman Institute
Hi. I see that there was a potential copyright infringement in one section of my draft article. In order that I can re-work it to avoid the infringement, please can you restore it in a place where I can rework it? Thanks Samuel Neaman Institute draft Golan789 (talk) 13:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing for me to do is to email the text to you. You can then add portions of it back into the draft at your own pace. You may find it useful to install User:The Earwig/copyvios.js into Special:MyPage/vector.js (please let me know if you need help with this), which gives you a "Copyvio check" menu option, making it easy to see if you are close-copying too much of the original prose. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding that copyright check tool, could you help me with that? i tried putting it into Special:MyPage/vector.js but I didn't see any "Copyvio check" menu. thank you.--Golan789 (talk) 13:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * It might not be called that - the actual file is dependent on what skin you are using, which you can find at Special:Preferences. You then need to go to Special:MyPage/{name of skin}.js - most people have Vector, so it's vector.js, but some old fogeys like me still use MonoBook, in which case it's monobook.js Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:26, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Regent Street
The article Regent Street you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Regent Street for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kees08 -- Kees08 (talk) 04:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I just started reviewing transportation articles, so thanks for bearing through me figuring out how those are reviewed. Thanks for bearing through the image PD question too, trying to make sure I understand all the things I am supposed to be reviewing. Nice article, I am sure I will see plenty more from you! Kees08 (talk) 15:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

David Morris
Thanks for the revert on David Morris (Conservative politician). I was doing a mass-rollback of unconstructive edits from someone trying to purge the DM. I thought I did only the ref-to-CN removals, but I apparently missed one. Primefac (talk) 17:14, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I realise quoting is controversial, but I agree with his widely-quoted view that "Pseudo information should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced". So replacing Daily Mail citations with  is a problem for this very reason, but so is reverting the source to the Mail back in! If the source can't be replaced quickly, get rid of the information per WP:BLP if you possibly can. There has been a lot of talk both on and off-wiki of removing citations to the Daily Mail where appropriate, but my personal log of BLPs citing the Mail is staying pretty static. In the case of David Morris, the expenses scandal is picked up by other sources, so we can use that, but the follow-on article appears to be only in the Mail and of too specific interest to really be relevant, in my view. While MPs are all high-profile individuals in the public eye, we should take extra care not to turn their articles into things like this. The Mail is far from the only offender - we still have 100+ BLPs that cite The Sun - and I personally think a total ban was a step too far, but getting it out of BLPs can only be a good thing. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  17:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections
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DYK for Enemies of the People
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New Page Review - newsletter No.3
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Your GA nomination of Marshlink Line
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Marshlink Line you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Shearonink -- Shearonink (talk) 07:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Richard Wright
Please get familiar with policies before reverting. The WP:QUOTENAME guideline justifies my edit. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Why does it, and what material difference does it make to the end reader? In fact, the article as it stood adhered perfectly to the guideline (not absolute dogma) mentioned in WP:QUOTENAME, so you are edit-warring over something cosmetic and pointless. I see from your talk page this is far from the first time you have been in hot lather, so may I suggest taking a deep breath and realising that some hills are not worth dying on. Have a nice day. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you write "mos" as your edit summary, but when I give you THAT MoS section, you suddenly change your tone to "not needed". Please make up your mind – are you following the MoS or don't. As for edit-warring, I'm not doing that at the moment and there's nothing about that on my talk page aside from ANI notice, which was brought up, because someone completely misunderstood me, but that's none of your business. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's fine, I'll write the article as requested in the below thread, you just waste time moaning about inconsequential edits. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Rhondda by-pass
Hi, when you've finished battling idiots, any chance you could create an article on the Rhondda by-pass? here. There's some notable bridges built too which are missing I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Bore da, that's done. Personally I think the Rhondda is best admired from a distance, such as one of the laybys on the A4061 (provided your ice cream doesn't get accidentally consumed by a passing sheep). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice one. I wasn't sure if it was already part of a road article on here. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like it, I think the mountain roads are obviously notable because of the engineering / unemployment relief, the urban streets just sprung up to accommodate miners and are nothing specific beyond a cursory mention in the history of the area, while this is something different altogether. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Shrove Tuesday
Does this now pass muster? We hope (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a couple of unsourced paragraphs, and then we're done. Cheers for helping out! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ... and now we're all done. Hurrah - extra lemon all round! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Spam?
Why did you remove my question as spam? I just asked for help with the wizard. 208.95.51.115 (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The "spam" was the, er, spam in the section above yours, which was what I meant to remove. I've restored your bit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Shelby Cragg‎
Just going to point out that having sources is not a valid reason for declining an A7, especially when one is merely an acknowledgement and the other is basically social media puff. Working on two web comics and being an intern for iTunes does not constitute a claim of significance; that constitutes a job. Timothy Joseph Wood 13:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * According to WP:A7M, it is a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to !vote "keep" at AfD though, which is why I recommended a full discussion be raised there. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:27, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Essay != Policy, especially not one written almost entirely by a single editor, which is, on its face, contrary to or entirely beyond the standards established in the relevant policy. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's throw policy out of the window and focus on good old-fashioned common sense. Way back in the early days of WP, we decided that you shouldn't delete stuff without a discussion. So why do we have speedies? Well, it's because sometimes a deletion debate on things like "Susie is my pet cat. She is small, ginger and likes fish" is a complete waste of time. However, because you are short-circuiting the usual consensus process, you need to make sure what you are deleting is absolutely water-tight and beyond question. If you have any doubts whatsoever, kick it to a full discussion. Since the article is not (AFAIK) a blatant copyright violation, an attack page or vandalism, it will not hurt to leave it around for a few days - we're not exactly short of disk space. (I need to write myself an essay, I've said the preceding prose to I think 4 different editors now). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If it is your opinion that this is the case, and the criteria of Has received coverage of any kind in possibly reliable sources should be added to A7, that is a perfectly reasonable argument to seek consensus on at WT:CSD, and your rationale above may be a perfectly solid one for supporting it. But currently, having sources with no credible claim of significance still qualifies, in the same manner that making a credible claim of significance with no sources is still disqualifying. Having had this discussion with four different editors may be an indication that your current interpretation of policy is out of line what guidance policy actually gives. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll go through CAT:CSD and delete everything per WP:CSD and tell all the article creators to fuck off to Facebook. Thanks for the advice! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, because that's a fair interpretation of what I just said, and not at all hyperbolic. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm having a bad day. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries. Timothy Joseph Wood  14:48, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

George W. Hooker (Medal of Honor)
Hey Ritchie--I need a small favor. As a classroom demo, I moved this draft into mainspace in the wrong way, by copying and pasting. Can you please delete it, saying "test" edit or "gross negligence and incompetence? Ta! Dr Aaij (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Where did you cut and paste it from? The article seems to meet WP:MILPEOPLE so I'd be reluctant to just delete it - what you want is a history merge from the draft. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * User space--it's User:Aporter90's work. Thanks, Dr Aaij (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, a copyvio (and promotional to boot) was introduced into our beautiful project here--with thanks to User:Michaelgav09. Dr Aaij (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Got it. There are little copyvios all over the place on WP; here's one from a few days back that had been kicking around for years. Unless it's stamped on quickly, it spreads to mirrors, at which point the copyvio tools will mix up the real positives from the false ones, making an automated check impossible. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!
--Cameron11598 (Talk) 16:51, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks for the support, I was beginning to wonder if I was actually a fuckwit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:14, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Marshlink Line
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Your GA nomination of Liverpool Street station
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Liverpool Street station

 * I never get to see that nice view of Liverpool Street, I just use it to change from tube to mainline. Actually, I don't even do that anymore as I tend to change at Stratford or West Ham these days. Ho hum. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:43, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Enemies of the people
I have to say I was surprised. I have begun a discussion at talk:Enemies of the People, let's debate it there. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if you don't agree on stuff, the blog post I linked to is worth reading anyway, it really is (or at least should be!) eye opening, which is why I thought it was important for this article to exist. Since then, Wikipedia has banned the Daily Mail, and while I don't personally agree with a total ban, I say good riddance. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

How to decline a Speedy deletion?
Hi Ritchie, I hope you can point me to the instructions on the procedure for declining a speedy deletion. I have not been able to find it. I've been cautiously getting involved with various admin tasks since my RFA, this is the first time I have made a decision to refuse a speedy. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a specific procedure other than just undoing the edit that adds the speedy or manually removing the derived tag. Normally, I will suggest further action in the edit summary eg: "decline A7, does not apply to buildings / books / arcade games / public parks etc", "decline A7, one source, try PROD / AfD", "decline A7, has a claim to win an award, try PROD / AfD", "decline A7, notability clearly established" or (when annoyed) "decline A7, did you actually search for sources?" (warning, this last one should not be used unless you are planning to 5x expand the article and send it to DYK ;-D) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, so it's quite simple, I will explain the reason in the edit summary. BTW, I think maybe WP:DGFA should say something about this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I misread that as WP:DGAF ;-) ... but if you feel it would be helpful to add it, then go for it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of South Circular Road, London
The article South Circular Road, London you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:South Circular Road, London for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Grondemar -- Grondemar (talk) 01:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Sofiano
The deletion of this page was proposed by another admin on the grounds of notability, which I then contested on grounds of the fact that I was still editing the page and adding sources, plus the evidence that I had created two previous Burkinabé musician articles which survived the patrol and demonstrated my confidence that I was attempting to make notable musician pages that meet criteria. Now that it has been deleted for this other apparent reason of unambiguous advertising/promoting, it is unknown if my contestation was seen, let alone replied to. I would like to request to have back the original source code of the page revision which you deleted, firstly so that I can continue to improve and build it as I was doing so, so that it meets criteria, and additionally on the grounds that the reason it was nominated for speedy deletion was not the same reason that you deleted the page for, meaning any contestation I made must not have been regarded by you, the deleting admin; however, correct me if I'm wrong. Indeed, nomination for speedy deletion allows any admin to delete an article at their discretion. However, there must be a reason for an article to be nominated, a reason which must be stated beforehand and which legitimises the speedy deletion to take place on the grounds of that reason. The reason you deleted it for was not that for which it was nominated, making the deletion seem to have been unwarranted and arbitrary. I would, therefore, also like clarification on how the revision was unambiguously advertising and promoting, instead of, as was intended, being ensured to have notable sources and relationships to make it qualify for the criteria it was initially reported for. Thank you. SpikeballUnion (talk) 01:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have restored the article to User:SpikeballUnion/Sofiano where it can be worked on, and on a closer look I agree it doesn't meet the criteria for CSD A7 or G11. Sorry about that. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the restoration of my article. As advice for the betterment of my editing in the future, please would you be able to clarify why the current revision (not the one that was nominated for speedy deletion) didn't fit notability guidelines in your view, and, indeed, didn't fit your criteria reason of unambiguous advertising/promotion? Thanks again. SpikeballUnion (talk) 16:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know about A7, since I didn't agree with that in the first place; as for the G11, I think it was because the writing had vague claims about "generally encompasses the afro-zouk and coupé-décalé genres" and "contributed greatly to the beginning and later success of Sofiano's musical career" without having anything of clear substance that demonstrates without doubt this is a good topic for a worldwide encyclopedia. The best advice I can give you for musician articles is to read our notability guidelines for musicians and state the claim to notability in the very first edit. Something like "Sofiano is a musician for Burkina Faso. His 2014 album Dossé reached number 'x' on the 'y' chart and reached critical acclaim by [newspaper] and [magazine]". Stick to the basic unquestionable facts. I realise this is easier for certain classes of musicians than others, but that's basically the direction you want to head in. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:04, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll take that into account. SpikeballUnion (talk) 21:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Questionable blocks
I had my doubts about you as an admin before (as you know), and your labeling of my block of Singora as "questionable" only reinforces this (I was aware of your opinion on the Cassianto block, where you clearly aren't objective and who you should never have unblocked in the past). Furthermore, try to be honest when you write ANI reports in the future. " I have previously banged heads with Fram when he felt that telling another editor to "fuck off" was acceptable" is not true, you have banged heads about that comment because you apparently didn't know the difference between a personal attack and an uncivil comment. Fuck off is an uncivil comment, what Signora wrote or what Cassianto reinserted were personal attacks. Please (re)familiarize yourself with our personal attacks policy and definitions, and don't start pointless ANI sections which will only backfire in the end. 09:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Everyone else had forgotten about this and gone back to writing an encyclopedia. Now run along and fix something on WP:ERRORS. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "everyone else had forgotten about this" is a rather ironic comment from the one who raised the Cassianto block weeks after the fact. But thank you for your command on how I should use my time on Wikipedia. No idea what I would do without you... Fram (talk) 14:33, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You could fix all unsourced and questionably sourced content on MS Herald of Free Enterprise (sank 30 years ago this evening) then add it to the main page under "On This Day", and I would be very grateful, as would several other editors. I don't think I have time myself. But seriously Fram, you do good work around here and ultimately we are here to write an encyclopedia, so I just find it impossible to carry grudges against anybody. Peace. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

A short rant about deleted stuff
This is in relation to Articles for deletion/MinkaXXX and the related discussion on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_MinkaXXX ... this is probably more appropriate for the AVEN forums, but I just despair that somebody really thinks the subject of the soon-to-be obliterated photos are actually attractive, and not just severely unhealthy and borderline self-abusive. Sure, I think some women are really nice looking (exhibit A), (exhibit B), and I don't mean that in a mysoginistic / disparaging way at all, they just present themselves well in public, and the sort of views and ideals they have strengthens that. Anyway, rant off, pages speedied. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This seems to be all over the news at the moment too - US Marines accused of sharing nude photos of female colleagues, Is Emma Watson anti-feminist for exposing her breasts? Somebody will be creating an article (List of breast baring controversies?) at this rate. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

4th GA Cup - The Final
--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Andrée Algrain
Regarding the speedy delete tag for this article, the askart source isn't a reliable source, so I removed it. There are no news articles, no mentions in books, nothing in JSTOR, etc. The only sources I am finding on the internet are sales sites and genealogy sites. This isn't even a close call.

Your reason for removing the speedy delete tag is that "world famous in Belgium", may have a source - where does it say that? What does world famous in Belgium mean?

By the way, I am a member of the Women's artists wikiproject and have saved, created, and improved a lot of articles about women artists.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 14:43, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * By the way, both of the sources that were given are not reliable sources - one is a sales site and the other was askart.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 14:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "World famous in Belgium" is a humorous paraphrase of Mel Brooks' To Be Or Not To Be's "world-famous in Poland", which in this case means "there might be sources in Flemish or French to support this subject, so a full discussion at AfD is best". The standard for A7 is pretty low, and basically I will only delete an article per that criteria if I am certain nobody will never reasonably complain about its deletion. For everything else, a full discussion at AfD is best. In this case, it's likely that the subject's notability (if there is any) occurred well in the pre-internet era, which means a search for sources may not turn up much. It never hurts to have the full deletion discussion bar a couple of criteria (most obviously A10, G3 and G12) where there are legal problems for the article existing. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, that's a way to go. The resources are severely strained for both the NewPagesFeed and the AfD process and it's hard to keep up with the mountain of new articles. Particularly if those decisions are not upheld like Abigail Keam, which at least has a stronger case for notability, although decided not enough to warrant an article.


 * For what it's worth, this is discouraging work to begin with, but these kinds of efforts seem to me to make efforts to keep meaningful content and remove non-encyclopedic content much more difficult. I see why the NewPagesFeed is getting so backlogged and there are fewer people that are actively patrolling.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a serious problem - what we should be doing, and what traditional policies and procedures encourage, is helping improve articles and fixing them up wherever possible, but with the increasing backlog at NPP, that's impossible. FWIW I think I usually accept far more speedies than those I decline - of the 3,000+ articles I've deleted, I would say most are CSD A7s. In all seriousness, you may want to think about filing a request for adminship which will allow you to help with the CSD backlog. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yep, I spend far more time working on articles in the NewPagesFeed than applying CSD tags. I will think about the RfA.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I will need to do a thorough check, obviously, but having had a quick look through your article contributions, and your NPP work, and that we're having admin-type conversations right now, I think you have a high chance of passing an RfA. Paging and  for second and third opinions. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ritchie, and hi, Carole. Ritchie, I have done my usual workup and agree that she is an excellent candidate, but I prefer to hold such discussions off-wiki. Carole, if you think you might consider RfA, send me an email and I'll talk about my analysis, strengths and weaknesses, etc. And don't be shy; both Ritchie and I had to be "dragged kicking and screaming" to considering adminship, but I think it has worked out well for both of us. --MelanieN (talk) 18:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I sent you an email. It would be good to hear your thoughts.— CaroleHenson &thinsp; (talk) 20:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Tjzhjw
They've already contested a PROD and a CSD on their articles, and seem very determined to post their articles on here. I think their articles are pretty bad, to be honest - very promotional, taking for granted that it's some kind of genius idea, lots of details about research methodology. The CREATE Program article is really just a copy of this. I'll think about it in a bit when I get the chance. Let me know what you think. Blythwood (talk) 12:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have tagged both articles as WP:CSD - we'll see what happens next. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

deleted page Sylvain Seccia
There is a mistake. Where is the page? latest version before deleting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lagw (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I ran the page through a copyright checker and it seems the majority of the text was copied wholesale from Seccia's website. As you can see at the top of the text area when you make an edit, "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted" and that's what happened here. I'm afraid I cannot and will not restore copyright violations anywhere, as it is against the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Service. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Without proof? Your copyright checker and you have all rights? I just want to check the latest version of the deleted page. And I don't see any copyright reference on that website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lagw (talk • contribs)


 * The copyright checker can be installed by adding User:The Earwig/copyvios.js to Special:Mypage/vector.js, or the main landing page is at https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/. Wikipedia uses the CC-BY-SA copyleft licence, which means anything you add can be freely redistributed and sold. So if somebody wanted to create a book called "The best of Ritchie333's Talk Page" and sell it for $1,000 a copy, there's no legal reason they couldn't. So unless a website explicitly acknowledges a CC-BY-SA or similar Creative Commons licence, it cannot be used in Wikipedia. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:57, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * And what was the percent of the checker result? I think you lie about the true reason. I tested Hillary Clinton with the copyright checker (Violation Possible: 70%). 70% seems to be the majority. And it's funny because this website says: "Copyright, Attention: This website and its contents contain intellectual property copyright materials and works belonging to the National First Ladies’ Library and Historic Site and to other third parties. Please do not plagiarize. If you use a direct quote from our website please cite your reference and provide a link back to the source". So please delete Hillary Clinton page too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lagw (talk • contribs)


 * That's almost certainly a reverse copyvio where another website has copied Wikipedia; the tool doesn't work well on established articles, only new ones. However, if you really think there is a major case to be made for plagiarism, go to Copyright problems and make your case. "I think you lie about the true reason" .... why on earth would I do that? I'd much rather restore articles wherever I possibly can, as it makes for a happier environment. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Tibbo
Today, I added an entry for Tibbo, an international group of companies for IoT hardware and software solutions.

I do not really understand why did you mark it as a speedy deletion nomination without even contrast it.

Just trying to help a bit doing the Wikipedia a better place with wider information, and at the same time improve my Wikipedia editing skills. But with decisions like this, one prefers to go and work in other more productive stuff.

Best Regards.

--Newtomi (talk) 19:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't mark it for speedy deletion, did, though I disagreed with the specific criteria. In this case, the language used by the article, eg : "Tibbo, an international group of companies, is a leader in hardware and software solutions for the Internet of Things (IoT)" seemed to be more relevant to a press release than an encyclopedia that we hope will be around in 100 years time, and therefore I felt it met the speedy deletion criteria for blatant advertising. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of everything, which is why we don't have an article on Bybrook Barn Garden Centre or Newnham Court Shopping Village. What makes this company you are trying to advertise as significant as Microsoft or Google? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I was NOT trying to advertise anything. As I already said, I just was trying to learn some editing skills and improve Wikipedia. Never mind. --Newtomi (talk) 11:29, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The best way to do that is to take existing articles and improve them; just about anything assessed as start class is a good place to begin. Or have a look at the Today's articles for improvement project; where a group of editors get together and work towards improving an article as a team. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Bruh
Yo dawg you deleted my page about Jacob Auge. This information is true. I know Jacob and his family and have gather these resources through local libraries. So please check your facts next.

Thanks, Angry Wiki lover — Preceding unsigned comment added by BDaddyLewis (talk • contribs) 16:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Not sure how you feel about people removing these things, so I'll leave it, but FYI I've blocked this joker. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:43, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The last sentence of your brief "article" was "He has held the part since the play first started and can still be seen playing Frank every Monday and Thursday night at the VFW bingo hall." This is as realistic as Trump's inauguration crowd estimates. Cheerio. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Oxford Law Society
Hi, this page was speedily deleted but I think it has grounds to be re-instated. I can see it was deleted in the past however I think it would benefit from being resurrected. What is the means by which I can revert this edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Law.archive (talk • contribs) 18:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're probably right; however, since the article has already been to a deletion debate twice, a new version of the article is going to have to show beyond any reasonable doubt that it is a truly important topic to have in a global encyclopedia. I have moved it to Draft:Oxford Law Society where it can be worked on, with some links to help pages that may assist you in improving it. I would highly recommend you gather some detailed reviews of the society in nationally-distributed newspapers such as The Guardian (if they exist) that go into considerable depth about the law society as a main subject. (I wonder if it's ever been named-dropped in Morse or Lewis?) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * One reference in the Guardian found, which I have added, but it is a passing reference - the society is definitely not the main subject matter of the article! <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">WJBscribe (talk) 18:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not bad for a random guess! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:41, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ritchie, I'll do some more research on it and try and come up with a substantive article. Will comment on here when I am done - perhaps you could direct me towards the steps towards reinstatement once I have done so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Law.archive (talk • contribs)
 * Basically, when you are ready, click on the blue button that says "Submit your draft for review", and it will go into a queue (this can take upwards of a week because of a backlog, so make sure you are a ready to avoid having to go through the process again). If the reviewer considers the draft is ready for the main part of the encyclopedia, it will pass, otherwise you'll be told what the problems are. Get as many sources on the society as you can that are broadsheet newspapers or books, and put them in the article - the more comprehensive the draft is, the better chance it has of being accepted. You can work on the draft indefinitely - there is no deadline. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:41, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Tom Fritsche has been removed
The author changed the name to create the page.Xx236 (talk) 12:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Got it. It wasn't really a well-attended AfD though, so consensus might end up changing on this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for moving back
At Marshlink Line. Better than the typical lack of reaction. But maybe comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways, too. Happy to do an RM discussion if opinions vary. Dicklyon (talk) 03:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have replied there, and I'd like to thank you for your good faith, but this whole incident reminds me of Requests for mediation/The Beatles and that makes me depressed :-( <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting; I wasn't aware of that 5-year-old discussion. Did it come to a resolution?  I think the current line case questions are much simpler; just a few railfans wan't to ignore guidelines and cap things that sources don't. Dicklyon (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think most people retired or got blocked ... consensus went to "the Beatles" in the end (and has now progressed to other band articles) but it's something of a Pyrrhic victory. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Please restore "The Lincoln Center for Family and Youth" page
Please restore the "The Lincoln Center for Family and Youth" article. It does not violate copyrighted material as everything in the page is from the official website at thelincolncenter.com Can you please restore it. Thank you. Gtfree (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)gtfree
 * I'm afraid copyright means a very specific thing on Wikipedia - we can only reuse content from external websites that are marked "CC-BY-SA"; in other words the text must be explicitly marked with that licence, that allows the content to be freely edited and sold to others. Since most websites do not offer this, we cannot use their text. Sorry. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand the jargon that you're using. I'm just trying to create a Wikipedia page for the non-profit organization that I lead. Please tell me what specifically needs to be done to reconcile the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtfree (talk • contribs) 19:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The simplest thing to do is to rewrite the text in your own words. Unfortunately it's against the Terms of Service for me to restore copyright violations, even those added in good faith, otherwise I would. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:17, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

That's the thing. They are my words. Can you restore the draft so that I can change my own words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtfree (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You can, provided you are prepared to use the same text licence as Wikipedia and explicitly log it as such on your website. Have a read of Donating_copyrighted_materials which explains what you need to do. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and for the links for me to get up to speed on the rules. I'm new at this and still learning. Thanks for your patience. Gtfree (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

my page
who are you, whats your problem with my page, its none of your business? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimberlyleewhyte (talk • contribs) 09:44, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem with your autobiography is it is something that would not look out of place in The Sun, and years of discussion (and lawsuits towards the Wikimedia Foundation) have resulted in a well-respected policy on biographies of living persons (BLP) and one facet of that is that material relating largely to tabloid journalism is unacceptable. In fact, your brief relationship with Kenny Richey has been listed on Wikipedia for some years, but it is not properly sourced so I have had to remove that too.


 * You need to read An article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing right now and understand that an article about you can be edited by anyone in the world. While BLP will protect you to some extent, if something bad happens to you, and it is picked up in mainstream media, anyone can add it to Wikipedia and it will stay. Rolf Harris is listed on Wikipedia as a sex offender and I'm pretty sure the current US President is not happy about us having an article called Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations, but they have no power or authority to get rid of that, and rightly so.


 * On a personal note, speaking as a parent, I am cross that you want to put personal information (including dates of birth) about your children in a very public place. This is probably not a good idea. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:49, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Well my friend it is not something out of The Sun, a tabloid who I am not on great terms with so I do not appreciate the comparison. Do you work for wikipedia, if not why are you meddling in other peoples lives? No one ever has or ever will put up that I am a sex offender as I have never committed any sex crimes, so I have no worries about that. I am proud of my son and tried for a baby for 18 years therefore I am entitled to be as proud of my child as I want. I haven't posted his picture or address have I now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.51.49 (talk)
 * I think you've misunderstood the points I was trying to make. I have restored the article to Kimberly Lee Whyte, added a citation to The Independent, cleaned up the content I do not feel passes the BLP policy, and started a full deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Kimberly Lee Whyte. This allows everyone on Wikipedia to have a say. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:30, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Sam Dewar
You recently deleted this page, and now a new user created it with a speedy tag already in the body. Was it a different user who initially created it? If so, this new one - - appears to be a sock. Home Lander (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've no idea, but I have popped into the kitchen and got a jar of Saxa out, which should stop it happening again (unless they fancy creating Sam dewar, heaven help us). I couldn't be certain this is a sock; another possible explanation is a group of kids screwing around (which is close enough). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good enough, thanks. Watchlisted the lowercase title. Home Lander (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

why?
we are not a garage band, December screams embers` music is going to be on iTunes and Pandora and satellite radio and everything soon after the end of this month, I had every right to post about the status of my band, what business is it of yours to delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willdsembers (talk • contribs) 00:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The essay No-one cares about your garage band is rather cutting, but the serious point behind it is that there are millions of bands all over the world, most of which cannot be independently updated by anyone else in the world as there is not the appropriate chart success or source coverage to allow them to do this. I have played on at least three albums commercially available on iTunes (and some singles - I forget, somebody else puts them out) yet I do not have a Wikipedia article. If you would like to retrieve the text you wrote, I can restore it to a draft underneath your user page. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:31, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Please restore the page "Riley Webb"
Ritchie333 I am just wondering why you decided to delete my Wikipedia page. It had information about an Australian YouTuber called "Riley's Tech Tip's". If you could please restore it because it gave valuable information about a small YouTuber and it is not fake advertising and it is based on a real person. I am the person it is based on and I am the one who wrote the Wikipedia page. So it is all true and not made up. If you could please restore it that would be wonderful.

Thanks in advance. Riley Webb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21WEBBri (talk • contribs) 00:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't write articles about yourself - it's impossible to write them in a neutral manner. Simply being factually correct is not enough, an article has to be verifiable, neutral and suitable for a global encyclopedia. User:Uncle G/On notability is the best essay to read, in my view. There are millions of YouTubers in the world; even Korean Billy doesn't have an article and he had a dedicated piece in BBC News yesterday. (though I dare say he'll have one this time next week now I've written this) As above, if you want your work restored, I can put it in a user page. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Btw...
That editor who was upset about content being deleted & cited the Hillary Clinton "70% score"?... they've apparently been trying to get something to do with that content into WP since 2009... Shearonink (talk) 13:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As the old saying goes ... AGF is not a suicide pact. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)