User talk:Robert McClenon/Archive 36

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Hi, did you not look on The Game Changers talk page?

"Ok. I just want to notify you and jps that I began a dispute resolution thread - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#The_Game_Changers_discussion RBut (talk) 19:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)"

Then if you look at the dispute resolution thread I started:

"Filed by RBut on 19:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)."

I notified the two editors a minute after I opened the dispute. They are active on that page, which is why Duzumid has added his side of the dispute. You have written this 8 hours after I opened a dispute case and notified the editors:

"The filing editor has not notified the other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)"

RBut (talk) 09:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

DRV formatting
Might I request that you reformat Special:Diff/1036298780 to make it more clear that all those paragraphs are yours? Generally, a bulleted paragraph indicates a new person. Perhaps just change all the bullets to indents? Not a huge deal, but it would make it easier to understand. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:08, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

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Question
You may remember me from the Administrator Noticeboard Incidents a few months ago. I was doing disruptive editing. The result of the discussion was that I was adopted by JackReynoldsADogOwner. This adoption helped me a lot and know I want to help another user like this. Do you think I am ready to adopt a user? StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 00:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * User:StarshipSLS - I don't know. Probably not yet, because time is also required.  Part of your problem was that you were too eager to do what you thought was needed, and did not have a sense of proportion.  Your question now makes me think that you are still too eager to improve Wikipedia in a hurry.  But I don't know.  Ask your mentor, or try being a voice of reason at the Teahouse or somewhere.  I don't think that you need to go looking for another young over-eager editor to calm them down.  Someone else can do that.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I will wait until I am more experienced. I also have a problem that both my mentors have been inactive for a while. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 23:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I saw your comment,i am not sure if I am posting this correctly or not I really could use your help i don't have any conflict of interest i choose this topic when I saw one article about will roberts saying he should get recnized and did have 2 worlds on his name that's why I choose this topic. i know I should gather more reliable information to backup my draft. This post by User:Nihara.widefy

Draft:Hurricane Larry (2021)
I put a link to the 2021 atlantic hurricane season in my draft like you wanted. This post by User:GDFilbert

Draft: Lost on You Music
Dear Mr. McClenon,

Thank you very much for your kind comments on my first draft, I will take your comments into account in order to write a much better draft. I will also ask for help at the Teahouse.

Kind regards.

Andrzej Rybkiewicz (talk) 11:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirecting nonexistent page to new one
Hi Robert,

I have received a comment from you regarding the draft I created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Poljica,_Hvar Since there are multiple pages with that same name, you said that a new entry will be created, but I don't want that. I was actually trying to create a page for an existing entry. On the disambiguation page it is called "Poljica, Jelsa" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poljica Is there a way for my page to be put under this entry instead of creating a new one?

I am new to wikipedia editing, and haven't been able to find out how to do it so far. Thank you!
 * User:Sborapora - When you post to a talk page, sign your post with four tildes. If you need advice about how to do this, ask at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you want it to be called Draft:Poljica, Jelsa rather than Draft:Poljica, Hvar? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My question was more about how to direct my new page(Currently named "Poljica, Hvar") to be the "endpoint" for "Poljica, Jelsa" from this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poljica, so there is no new entry "Poljica, Hvar" created there, since it is referring to the same thing. It does not matter what is the name of the page itself, since both namings are correct and not ambiguous (Poljica being the only village with that name on Hvar island and in Jelsa county). Sborapora (talk) 13:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Review Draft:Cyclone Imogen
Hi, can you review my article, Cyclone Imogen? I, love, HURRICANES!!! (Talkpage:I, love, HURRICANES!!!) 06:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment
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User:AnomieBOT
Hello, Robert,

I was looking at this bot's edits to Drafts and it looks like most of its edits to Draft pages are correcting templates you are using like here, here, here and here. This page lists their recent edits to Draft space and you might see some pages that you have worked on. I think what is happening is that AFC template usage has changed over the years and you might be using outdated ones. You might check in with DGG or another editor active in AFC to verify what templates are currently being used.

Thanks for all of your work reviewing Drafts! Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I found some information that might be helpful at User:AnomieBOT/docs/TemplateSubster. Liz Read! Talk! 22:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - Many of those are my templates, and are always set up to be substituted, and I am lazy and I let the bot do the substitution for me. I know that the bot is there and am letting it work.  Anyway, I know that the template provides what I want to say both before it is substituted and after it is substituted, so it wouldn't matter if the bot went on holiday to Disneyland.  If you would rather that I took the subst-only provision out of the templates, and left them transcluded, that would also be all right.  Yes.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Tachash: Is the puppy bigger than the Middle East?
Re Draft:Tachash- Even Middle-East-related articles can be edited, at least with some level of #edits and time. I'm aware that you have other articles/drafts to look at, and that DrMies surely doesn't want a rerun of dealing with "frequently totally rude" sockpuppets. However the time since 2012, when he locked the article/REDIRECT is coming up on a decade old, and the puppy isn't wearing socks but rather cement boots. I've asked DrMies, more than once (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Tachash) and he's been very considerate in his responses, but. . . perhaps you can do what my attempts didn't. Pi314m (talk) 22:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Pi314m - I don't understand your comment about a puppy. I also don't understand what, if anything, you are asking me to do.  As you know, the redirect was locked by User:Drmies nine years ago.  Your three choices are to:


 * 1. Discuss with the locking administrator, on his talk page.
 * 2. Request unprotection of the redirect at Requests for Protection.
 * 3. Request Deletion Review.

It is likely that a request to RFPP will in turn direct you to Deletion Review. So if you have tried to discuss with User:Drmies on his talk page (not just on the draft talk page) unsuccessfully, and have been unsuccessful at RFPP, your next and last stop is Deletion Review. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Robert, thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Drmies - Are you willing to fill me in on what has been going on here? This seems somewhat different from the typical salted titles that I encounter on drafts at AFC, because a salted title typically has to do with a non-notable person, a non-notable company, or a non-notable musical work.  What were the sockpuppets trying to accomplish?  Is this some sort of fringe religious scholarship?  I know that maybe I don't want to know the answer, but ... I am sort of asking.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, there really isn't much to share. I stumbled upon that gargantuan bit of OR and hobbyism in February 2011, when Hermitstudy had already been "replaced" by Michael Paul Heart. It was some 200k at the time--it was crazy. And look at that version (my first link in this comment)--it's a ton of OR, unreliable sourcing, incredible amounts of trivia, sea animals are brought in, dozens of images of things that also have a similar color: I wouldn't call it fringe religious stuff--it's more like an OCD treatment of a tiny topic. We've seen that before, here and in other articles. Much of the investigation was done by User:Pontificalibus, who got there before I did. But I handled a blunt axe, and so we ended up, after some conversation/edits that also involved User:Joe407 and User:Steven J. Anderson, with a redirect, which then was turned into an article again with the help of LittleOldManRetired, after PMH had been blocked. LittleOldMan was blocked for socking, Sniperscout was the new sock who restored the article again, then Libersite, etc. And then I simply protected the redirect, since it was an utter waste of time dealing with them. So when I see that a new attempt is made using similar sources, I have doubts! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:Drmies. Okay, so it is another of these weird OR obsessions.  Maybe they should publish a paper on the word in a journal of biblical research.  Maybe they already tried, and the paper may have been declined.  Well, the next stop for them should be Deletion Review.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:43, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm 90% convinced that this editor is our returning sock master - their style sets off my spidey senses, and no other new user would express a desire that the most lengthy earlier version of Tachash be linked to from mainspace. Anyway I'm pleased that they seem to have found other topics to write about with considerably less zeal, and hope that it remains that way. I keep an eye on DRV in any case, so will hopefully spot this troublesome noun (or is it an adjective?) if it surfaces there.Pontificalibus 06:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Lizzie Holmes (singer)
Many thanks for the comment about disambiguation. We have updated the page accordingly. Thanks, Briggs 360 (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I need help !
Hello Robert! I have problem about some informations in article" The persian language in the Indian subcontinent". I saw some wrong information in the lead of this article without any sources, because The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article, in the whole article , I did not see any information or support for those wrong information , so I deleted them , but a user named " historyofiran" converted all my changes, when I told him and explained him my reasons, he or she did not accepted and repeatedly was telling me : go and read the lead about lead section. To make it short, I told him or her that I will take the subject to the dispute resolution center, but I can not open a dispute plus I do not know if I am wrong or right? Could you please go to talk page of this article and read all our discussion and see the editing  done by me and him ( her) just to tell me if I am wrong or right! I would apriciate your help if you answer me.

Best regards: Azar Azar Moghadam (talk) 03:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Azar Moghadam - I suggest that you request a Third Opinion as the first step in dispute resolution. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:22, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, That is why I asked you to look at this article (as a third opinion), if you agree and accept it! If not please tell me who do you recommend or how can I ask for ? Azar Moghadam (talk) 04:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Azar Moghadam - Ask at the Third Opinion noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Azar Moghadam (talk) 11:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Deborah Santana copyright issue
Hi , Thank you for reviewing my Temp draft for Deborah Santana. Thanks to the help and advice of another kind user (I don't know if it's appropriate to tag them here or would that be considered rude? My apologies, I am still relatively new to Wikipedia so I am still learning about the proper etiquette), I used Earwig's Copyvio Detector as an aid to find and eliminate the copyrighted text from the article. Now, when I use the Copyvio Detector tool, the only similarities I can find between Deborah's article and other webpages are things that are not able to be changed such as the names of books/articles/movies/the name of her school and type of degree received. In your opinion, do you think the changes I have made are sufficient, or do I need to make further changes? Also, would you recommend I resubmit the main Draft article now that I have made the necessary changes? I was under the impression that I should only be submitting the Temp version and not the main draft, but perhaps I am mistaken and would greatly appreciate any advice. Thank you so much for your help! --Moviecat (talk) 07:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Moviecat - I will let the administrators, User:Justlettersandnumbers or User:CaptainEek, decide. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and I don't want to incur even a small risk of accepting copyvio.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The main issue is the HistMerge at this point. Once that gets taken care of, an accept should be fine. The temp page doesn't appear to have any copyrighted content, and I think I got the copyrighted stuff on the original draft.  CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 08:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help, and ! It is greatly appreciated! --Moviecat (talk) 08:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you so much for your assistance last night! I awoke this morning to find that the HistMerge template has been removed from the Deborah Santana draft page by Anthony Appleyard. Am I correct in assuming that it is now all clear for me to resubmit the draft? Thanks so much! --Moviecat (talk) 15:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted at the open Iranian politics case
In the open Iranian politics arbitration case, the proposed decision has now been posted. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. You were notified as you made comments in the case request. For the Arbitration Committee, Moneytrees🏝️Talk/CCI guide 01:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
Hello ,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our  Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but  there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software. Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here. Sent to 827 users. 04:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Requesting feedback on Draft:By the Time I Get to Phoenix (Injury Reserve album)
Hey, as requested by you, I left a new comment on Draft:By the Time I Get to Phoenix (Injury Reserve album) explaining why i think the album meets notability criteria. Would love to hear your feedback.

EttuBach (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

delete Draft:NDV-HXP-S vaccine for COVID-19
Another page, better developed was started on this vaccine. Please delete this one. JuanTamad (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Loud House Movie
How many reviews does it need before the draft can be submitted? Maxbmogs (talk) 05:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Maxbmogs - Do you really mean how many times should the draft be submitted until it is accepted?  As you know, it has already been submitted 6 times, and was repeatedly declined because the movie had not been released.  It appears that the movie has now been released and has been reviewed.  That should satisfy the conditions that had been stated by previous reviewers.  It should be reviewed one more time by its author or authors before being resubmitted, but it appears that it is ready to be resubmitted, and maybe to be accepted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
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Feedback request: Common Ground (Big Big Train album)
Thank you for looking over my article on Big Big Train's album Common Ground. I have updated the references over the past day. When you get the chance can you look over the article to see if it is ready? Thanks again. ProgUser45; Sent at 15:31, 23 September 2021 (EST)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:ZX2006XZ repeatedly resubmitting drafts without any improvement. Thank you. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving you this notice because I mentioned you by name and brought up your interactions with this user. I'm not actually taking you to AN/I. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Chess - In other words, you're naming me as a witness, not a defendant. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, hypothetically, the discussion could BOOMERANG and you could be indeffed. But yeah, more or less. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 17:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Chess - I didn't throw a boomerang. If someone wants to throw one at me, I am neither a kangaroo nor an Australian warrior.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

"Harmonious" Draft Reply
Thank you for your comment on my draft. However, I would like to propose a new title instead of the one you suggested. Instead of using "Harmonious (light show)" as you suggested, I would like to use "Harmonious (EPCOT)" instead. As described by Disney on the official site of the show, Harmonious will use "an innovative combination of floating giant screens, choreographed moving fountains, lights, pyrotechnics and lasers in a 360-degree view." This is echoed in other pre-opening press materials as well. As such, using the term "light show" to describe Harmonious would diminish the other technical non-light-related elements that will be used in the show. In addition, with the new draft title, a link would be established to the park where it will premiere in. This would differentiate Harmonious' Wikipedia page from other similarly-titled pages on here.

Stakeholder Capitalism versus Stakeholder Theory
Hi, You were were kind enough to put the Stakeholder Capitalism article into dispute, but the dispute page appears to have disappeared. We are publishing an article on the professor who created Stakeholder Theory, R. Edward Freeman at the University of Virginia Darden business school, and he is categorically of the conviction that his Stakeholder Theory is indeed a management theory and that Stakeholder Capitalism is a movement and that they should be separated.

I know the system of Wikipedia is inscrutable, but it sure is disappointing that someone with apparently no knowledge of this subject whatsoever has the power to arbitrarily remove an article on his own volition and that there does not appear to be any kind of transparent dispute resolution.

Your response and guidance would be appreciated. I just received this email today:

Hi Bruce, I was intending to quote from the Wiki definition in Round 2 of my debate with Bebchuk (https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_P8LVVPnySCe2L2p66qxzfg) but the link below redirects to Stakeholder Theory, and that entry makes no reference to stakeholder capitalism. Do you know what happened to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeholder_Capitalism?

Alex Edmans | Professor of Finance London Business School, Regent’s Park, London NW1 4SA Assistant: Janet Chater | jchater@london.edu Website | TED on reliability of evidence | TEDx on purposeful business Grow The Pie: How Great Companies Deliver Both Purpose and Profit: book

Bolgerb1953 (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Bolgerb1953 - You write: "We are publishing an article".  Who is "we", and where are you and anyone else collaborating?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You write: "the dispute page appears to have disappeared".  I am not sure what you mean by 'the dispute page'.  If you mean the RFC, I see that you found it and commented in the Threaded Discussion.  If you mean the discussion at DRN, it was concluded with the posting of the RFC, and the discussion has been archived.  If you mean Stakeholder Capitalism, then its status has not changed in ten days since I started the RFC, so that your comment is confusing.  It was redirected to Stakeholder theory, and that redirection is the subject of the RFC.  So your comment that "the dispute page seems to have disappeared" is puzzling.  Not long ago, you knew what had happened to it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You write: "I know the system of Wikipedia is inscrutable, but it sure is disappointing that someone with apparently no knowledge of this subject whatsoever has the power to arbitrarily remove an article on his own volition and that there does not appear to be any kind of transparent dispute resolution."  One of the policies of Wikipedia is to assume good faith, and so I will assume that you either have not been paying attention or have a contrarian idea about how disputes should be resolved.  (The alternative explanation would be that you are trying to confuse the community.)  The dispute resolution is taking place by means of the RFC, and you did find the RFC.  So what is your concern?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are finding the dispute resolution to be "inscrutable" and lacking in transparency because it is being done by a community. If so, I will note that stakeholder theory and stakeholder capitalism, regardless of what name you use, have to do with a complex community of stakeholders in a business.  As an advocate of this management theory, I think that you should be capable of wrapping your head around the way Wikipedia is controlled.  Unless you are being inscrutable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your response. I enjoy and value every one of your responses. I confess, I remain completely confused about the process and culture, even with your explanation. I do not know off hand what an RFC is, and almost every time I seek an explanation in the help guide, it makes no sense to me. I suspect that many of the volunteers have no idea how complicated the process and culture appear to outsiders. I am just a reporter who covers a topic trying to share the knowledge with your readers. In our world of business journalism and reporting, we talk the direct sources to get to the truth--not with people who have little knowledge on the subject--and do not limit their responses to 150 words. That said, I have no problem following the Wikipedia process to the extent I can understand it. Given that I am only a very, very occasional contributor, I do not have the time to do what I suspect would be a full day of work or more to fully understand all of the history, culture and procedures of this invaluable resource.

I know for a fact that every expert on this subject would disagree with the entire train of thought I have seen so far on this subject, including yours, and am rightfully perplexed that the process involves a debate amongst people who are not experts on a subject and a refusal to speak directly with the people who are, including the creator of the theory in question. I hope you can understand the perspective of people outside of the Wikipedia world who would find this process perplexing. Thanks again for indulging me.

I forgot to answer your question. Once again, I am the editor of a trade publication that covers the field of Enterprise Engagement, which is one of the implementation processes of Stakeholder Capitalism, with principles similar to Stakeholder Theory but with its own nuances.

http://EnterpriseEngagement.org.

Bolgerb1953 (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC) Bolgerb1953 (talk) 17:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Andreh Arzoomanian
Hi. I expanded Andreh Arzoomanian's article with various sources. please check it. Sincerely.Musiban (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Ladjane Bandeira
Hello. During September 2021, Women in Red is running a focus on Women writers & their works. The aims of the project are: As part of the endeavour, editors are encouraged to create articles on women writers. One of these, created using reliable sources, is on Ladjane Bandeira, a notable Brazilian artist and author, which was independently assessed as a stub. A script has placed it in draft. You made a comment on the page: "If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement again, it will almost certainly be rejected, and it may be nominated for deletion, or a partial block may be requested against further submission by the responsible editor." Can you please clarify what you mean by this. Assuming good faith, I take it that you are not threatening the responsible editor. However, I suggest, in the spirit of nobody owning an article, that you be bold and make whatever changes you deem relevant. If you would like more information on this, I have found this essay helpful. simongraham (talk) 03:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * to encourage inexperienced editors and show them how they can contribute to Wikipedia by creating biographies of prominent women
 * to draw the attention of more experienced editors to the need for combating the systemic bias against the coverage of women and women's works
 * to promote the new/improved articles and images through social media
 * User:simongraham - I do not have any specific changes in mind for the article. I will explain my caution.  It is, unfortunately, not uncommon for the author of an article that has been moved from article space into draft space then either to resubmit it with no changes or to move it back to article space with no changes.  That is disruptive resubmission, and in those cases I will nominate it for deletion.  If an article is moved from article space back to draft space, the author should either improve it before resubmitting, or discuss it with the reviewer, or both.  So the author should either improve it or discuss it with the reviewer or both.  My warning is a little harsh because some editors do not try to cooperate.  If this is a WP:Women in Red submission, I will review it and offer comments.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:simongraham - I think that the reviewer has misunderstood the guideline of reliability of sources, and thinks that the sources are not reliable because they are not available on-line. The sources appear to me to be book sources, which are normally assumed to be reliable.  I have asked the reviewer to discuss with the author.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is very helpful. simongraham (talk) 04:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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September 2021
What do you mean by not understanding how to use the talk page? ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I asked the Teahouse for adivce, but where do I discuss editing and submitting drafts for the future? ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I understand. I will not do anymore tendentious submissions. ZX2006XZ (talk) 12:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Ada Twist, Scientist (television) has a new comment
 I've left a comment on my Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ada Twist, Scientist (television). Thanks!--73.8.106.93 (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Kat

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Declined article
Hi. You declined an draft article. When I should again submit it? After knowing the release date? Thanks. — Tajwar.thesuperman Talk • Contributions 15:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Robert McClenon: Can I submit this article now? Thanks. — Tajwar.thesuperman Talk • Contributions 15:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there any problem with references? Should I add more references? Are the references reliable, secondary and independent? Thanks — Tajwar.thesuperman Talk • Contributions 15:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Editing a User's Talk Page
Have you ever noticed that Wikipedia talk pages have the oldest discussions at the top and the newest discussions at the bottom?

Also, have you ever noticed that there is a New Section tab at the top of a talk page that you should use to add a new section (and it adds it at the bottom)?

Also, if you start to edit a user's talk page, and a long set of instructions appears, do you think it would be useful to read the instructions?

I will read your post within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:05, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, isn't one of the dicta at Wikipedia to be patient with newcomers? You've clearly been with Wikipedia a long time, and I'm sure that I would be jaded too if I had toiled away in the Wikipedia mines for years, but would you please do me the courtesy of passing this case along to someone who seems to give a shit? Free Speech Wikipedian (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Heterodox Academy entry
Hello. You recently closed a dispute claim for the "Heterodox Academy" page. You noted that before I resort to dispute resolution, two comments by all the editors over the course of two days are generally required, not "the posting of one long statement." In fact, I had posted four statements or questions over the course of two days, but none of the editors--with the exception of Pengortm--substantively engaged with my questions and comments. I have just posted two new questions; what if no one responds in the next few days? Should I file a new dispute claim?

You observe that I put all of the editors on the same line in my dispute filing. Is the problem that I used semicolons rather than commas to separate their names? And how do I notify the editors of a future dispute claim--should I post a notice on their talk pages? Free Speech Wikipedian (talk) 03:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Commentary on the Hadith of the Battalions of Intelligence and Ignorance
Hi Robert,thank for your attention.About this article,I completed the sources and improved the text and sections of the article then submitted please let me know how complete the article and return it to the articles space.The Best regardsAye1399 (talk) 04:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

A question
Hi Robert. Hope you're fine. I'm here to ask you a question. Is this film meets with WP:NF guideline? Thanks. ||  Tajwar.thesuperman   💬  08:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Draftification
I really don't know if there's a formal policy about that one way or the other; I think it just comes down to the personal choice of the individual editor who comes across a moved draft. I've certainly seen some editors take them straight to AFD, while I've seen others move the draft back without regard to whether there had been prior move-warring over it — so if there's actually a rule one way or the other, it isn't very well publicized.

Typically I only come across moved-draft issues if I check the AFC submission queue and find pages that are already in mainspace but still have AFC submission templates on them, so it's very easy to check whether the page was moved by a legitimate AFC reviewer who just had a technical hiccup or an unauthorized rando who was actively trying to bypass or circumvent the AFC process, but I'm not always interested in investing extra time to investigate the entire history if it isn't immediately apparent that there's a bigger problem than just the move itself. So what I do may depend on factors like how many misplaced submissions there are to deal with (I might be more inclined to review the sources and/or formulate an AFD nomination myself if there are only one or two such pages in the queue, but I'd be far less inclined to do anything more than "move, next, move, next" if there are fifteen or twenty) and/or whether there are other serious problems with the article (such as a total lack of any references at all) that are immediately apparent just by quickly eyeballing it without having to probe it in depth.

But if there's a set rule that pages can only be moved back to draftspace once, and then inevitably have to be detached from AFC and dealt with through mainspace processes if the creator returns the page to mainspace a second time, it's not one I've ever been aware of. Bearcat (talk) 21:40, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for fixing the issue with disambiguation. After doing the whole wiki page from scratch, I of course forgot the very important part of making sure of the difference between the other "Hoshi".

Mintella (talk) 00:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC) 

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Your draft article, Draft:Peter Miller


Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Peter Miller".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 05:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, User:Liz, that answers a question that I wasn't thinking much about anyway. If a reviewer disambiguates a draft, this creates a redirect from the undisambiguated draft title to the disambiguated draft title.  What happens to the undisambiguated draft redirect?  It doesn't turn into a pumpkin; it just implodes.
 * I said that I like to ridicule these weird Twinkle messages. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Movement Charter
Hello. Our opinions may differ on some issues, but I couldn't agree more with your Movement Charter statement. There's a place for eco-friendly diversity focus workshops, but reshaping the charter to reclaim Wikipedia for Wikipedians would be a huge improvement for readers and editors alike. Thank you for stepping forward. Certes (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I just got the notice and voted for just you. I hadn't read the statement but having done so now, I feel very proud that I instinctively supported you. I will now read the statement and see if I would like to vote for others (apparently, I can add 6-14 more), but good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Certes, User:Usedtobecool - Are there any eco-friendly diversity focus workshops, or is that just something that we think the WMF people think is what we need, and some of us want to avoid? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The latter; it's a portmanteau of various real initiatives. But let's just agree that the community should set the resourcing priorities.  Certes (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Note
I think your email has been hacked. Need to change your password ASAP. G M G talk  18:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:GreenMeansGo - It wasn't my Wikipedia password that had been hacked. However, I have changed that as well as my regular email password.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Email me, got a strange email from you.
Doug Weller talk 18:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

And This Is Another Test
Test. McClenon Test (talk) 20:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 06:04:17, 13 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Dream1924
Hi Robert Thanks for the review of my page Surrogate (film). I've found it pretty difficult to set up and navigate the process. I've tried to create the best article possible but accidendly sent it twice trying to work out thew 'submit' or 'publish' options.

I've added some citations/references which I hope will help.

Please feel free to message me back if there are any other problems

Thanks

Dream1924 (talk) 06:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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Christopher Desloge, author, historian article
This Article meets the standards Notability (Wikipedia:Notability - Wikipedia) on the basis that it is Verifiable, reliable and independent, and on the definition of Books (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(books)) and Academics (Wikipedia:Notability (academics) - Wikipedia) The book has been the subject[1] of two or more non-trivial[2] published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself.[3] This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists,[4] and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.[5] ; and the book's author is of exceptional significance and the author's life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study. The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant of slave narrative and society movement for historical and modern racial issues.

The basis for Notable and Significant include the fact that both books have been accepted by the Library of Congress, one has been researched and cooperated with professional academic historical professor Jay Gitlin at Yale University on French American Studies, and historical American History author. )https://history.yale.edu/people/jay-gitlin) The second book is coordinated with and Foreword provided by Dr. Carl C Bell, American professor of psychiatry and public health at the University of Illinois at Chicago ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Bell_(physician)). Bell was a National Institute of Mental Health international researcher, an author of more than 575 books, chapters, and articles addressing issues of violence prevention, HIV prevention, isolated sleep paralysis, misdiagnosis of Manic depressive illness, and children exposed to violence. Both books are accepted into the Missouri History Museum Research Library, St. Louis, Missouri. This Wikipedia article exists to describe, in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on historical significance.

Wikidesloge (talk) 19:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Wikidesloge - I have asked for the comments of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Star Game review
I noticed that Draft:Star Game has been under review for a few days, as marked by you. Are you still actively reviewing it? SiliconProphet (talk) 23:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:SiliconProphet - I guess not. I've marked it as not under review, and will let you take a review of it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 14:43:56, 15 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by MichaelEhlenbeck
What do you mean the Reception section of my Article is still inadequate?

MichaelEhlenbeck (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:MichaelEhlenbeck - Either you or I should ask for the opinions of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Street Woman Fighter
This might be a stupid question since I'm not involved in drafts at all, but is there any reason why the draft at Street Woman Fighter couldn't just be edited in to replace the existing article? This would avoid losing the edit history of the original article, and would allow the improved draft to replace the less good existing article. Right now you're relying on a proposed PROD of an article about a notable topic, which seems inefficient. I understand that this might be procedurally the route things are supposed to go, but it seems like a good moment for BEBOLD. But again, if this is a dumb question, I do apologize, I'm not involved in draft world at all. matt91486 (talk) 17:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Matt91486 - If someone wants to edit the existing malformed article and replace it with the draft, that is fine with me. Anyone has the right to remove a PROD tag.  As a reviewer, I was taking the approach that involved less work on my part.  If someone else wants to do the work, that is good.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Bell Resources
Hi Robert, thank you for you comment on the draft article. I have drafted a disambiguation page User:SiamBill555/Bell Resources (disambiguation). Comments and feedback are welcome. I hope this addresses your comment. SiamBill555 (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Xpansiv
Hi Robert, thank you for your feedback on the Xpansiv article. I have updated to include a study published by the University of British Columbia as well as a news article focused on the work Xpansiv is doing to reduce emissions and the response utility providers like S&P Global Platts has had to encourage the impact the company has made. I'm a bit timid about adding to many articles as I don't want to draw away from the objective of outlining the function of Xpansiv vs it's news/market presence. Please have another look, your guidance and input is valued. Thank you. --AnAdmnUsr (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

L33tm4n
Just as you know KullyKeemaKa was actually User:L33tm4n. He changed his name, alright? alright. Starkiryu64 (talk) 02:02, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

SMG4
Thank you for it. I'm sure people were going to edit until it's good. So Thank you for it. Starkiryu64 (talk) 21:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Starkiryu64 I am still expecting that it will be nominated for deletion. You and the other proponents need to be ready to present a policy-based case that it passes television notability.  It appears to be that the only reliable way to decide on its notability is a deletion discussion, and it hasn't had one until now.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021
Hi, I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Joiedelacruz6/sandbox yesterday but you didn't reply back. I will just say it here, is it okay if I report those hoaxes at WP:ANI even though the MfD is still open? SeanJ 2007 (talk) 04:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:SeanJ 2007 - There is no rule of which I am aware that prevents reporting anything at WP:ANI. A content dispute at a content noticeboard may be closed if there is also a conduct dispute at WP:ANI.  I have seen reports at WP:ANI when there is a deletion discussion open, especially if there is disruption of the deletion discussion, and I think I recall users being told at AFD that something is a conduct dispute.  You will have to make a stronger case about a hoax than you have at MFD.  The drafts may be crystal balling, which cannot be accepted, but submitting crystal ball stuff is not disruption or hoaxing.  Go ahead, but first read the boomerang essay.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 08:13:35, 22 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by MitranaSage
MitranaSage (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC) Hi Robert,

Thanks for the feedback, Honestly I am quite new to Wikipedia editing and content creation - because the review process generally takes a long time I misguidedly thought that the sooner I submitted the page for review, the sooner it would get through the process, but that in the meantime I could keep working on the draft. Hence I had submitted a pretty rough first draft that I was then going to redraft with better references and in a better style. In future I will make sure that pages are submitted in their final form unless they require just some minor edits or additional references.

All the best.

MitranaSage (talk) 08:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:MitranaSage - I am replying on your talk page.

Robert McClenon (talk) 14:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

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Pietro Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
Hello, could you move Pietro Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe) back to draftspace as it does not satisfy the criteria established by the MCU taskforce? It should not have been submitted to AfC. Thank you! InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:InfiniteNexus - I will let you know within 24 hours, but I don't think that I will move it back myself.  At this point I am thinking that I will recommend that you nominate it at Articles for Deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't understand why I would want/need to nominate that article for deletion. I am simply asking for you to self-revert your move because the article is not ready for mainspace. Is that not feasible? InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:InfiniteNexus - I will answer within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Your !vote?
Your edit summary says you're arguing delete, but there's nothing to that effect on your argument on the George Cervantes AfD. —A little blue Bori v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:43, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Jéské Couriano - Paste error. Got only the table and not the previous reasoning.  I have added the reasoning in front of the analysis of the sources.  Oops.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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Reza Tajbakhsh's article
As you can see in the previous poll, this article has been removed with a soft comment. I used the most resources in writing the article and tried to improve the article as much as possible. Can you tell me the main reason for rejecting the article?Ashshan is a member of a group Zarbofoot This group has a good reputation and its members are like Dariush Salehpur They have an article with much less sources than Reza Tajbakhsh I did not understand exactly the forms of the article.--Modeling (talk) 16:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)