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194.80.32.8
I have unblocked. The University can identify vandals editing from this address and is willing to discipline them internally, see the user talk page. Fred Talk 19:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I thought some discussion would normally precede the undoing of a fellow-admin's block, but have it your own way, and feel free to impose your own judgement over mine whenever you feel it appropriate. I have other work to do here. Rodhull  andemu  01:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you are missing the point ...
It appears to me that Harleytarantina believes Paul to be dead.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I had gathered that; but there is no evidence in support, and the article is written on the basis that the legend is false. If he gets uppity, I'll direct him to the Talk page. Rodhull  andemu  18:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates
I note that you have added Coordinates to 1979 Fastnet race. I wonder which coordinate is appropriate for this article. The race starts in Cowes 50°45′34″N,1°18′1″W; wraps around Fastnet lighthouse 51°23′3″N,9°36′1″W and finishes in Plymouth 50°22′17″N,4°8′33″W. Perhaps we should put in all three? Any thoughts? How did you choose your coordinates? try following them through with google maps. ClemMcGann (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Clem. Tricky one; there is nothing in the article to indicate where the various problems arose, so I placed it near to the IOW. With articles dealing with long, linear features such as Pennine Way, I usually add start & endpoints. For smaller features, I will try to scale to include both, as an overview. In this case, I couldn't find the Fastnet Rock. I'll take another look at it. Rodhull  andemu  14:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * that was my source for the Fastnet rock coordinate - ClemMcGann (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I don't have that book but one of the external refs took me to a map showing the area of the Irish Sea where most of the boats sank; I've added the coords of the rough centre (although at a scale of 1:2000000 to get the context in!), and submitted this as a placemark to Google Earth. Let me know if there are any problems with it. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  18:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose that it is as good a spot as any. There should be a policy on such issues. ClemMcGann (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is as near as we get, but some things are vague; circular footpaths are a problem, and the page leaves it open as to how to approach this. Ideally, (I've come to think), we should be working with mapping sites to more easily have bounded areas linked from here, but that is a huge task. For the time being, we have to go with what we can reasonably manage. Rodhull  andemu  00:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll post a question to them ClemMcGann (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll post a question to them ClemMcGann (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Amersham Hospital
Hello there! I replied to you on the Amersham Hospital talk page! Dvmedis (talk) 07:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your revert on User:Jimbo Wales
I personally do believe that chefs should not be allowed as some are overpriced and some downright rude out of taking work too seriously. And another point: some chefs are downright terrible with no cooking skill at all. I am not arguing, just stating my opinion on the topic of chefs. Thank you very much, Cats4Gold (talk) 22:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What's your specialist subject on Mastermind? The bleedin' obvious? Rodhull  andemu  22:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What. Cats4Gold (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * He's absolutely right about chefs. We're all horrible people. Whenever a new kid starts in the kitchen, I send them 'round to the restaurant next door, to ask their chef for a "pot of steam," since we're fresh out. Most of them are dumb enough to go. So that's the baseline, as it were. Bon appetit! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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Opinion requested
We have an editor who insists on adding "United Kingdom" to everyone's birth or death place if it's in the UK, claiming that since such and such template had a "Country" listing, that that means to include "UK", although up til now, that hasn't been the general procedure.

What you usually see is "London, England" or "Glasgow, Scotland" or town/county/historical country, but rarely is "United Kingdom" tacked on. Has everyone else been ignoring policy except this one editor from Alabama - who's got a block log a mile long?

I've been reverting him, and he keeps leaving talk page messages calling me sarcastic, and making it clear that he doesn't understand that a template is a guideline, not policy, and that he's going to continue regardless.

Please take a look and give me your assessment.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  03:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Response I am not from Alabama, nor have I ever used a sockpuppet. See also here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I meant Indiana.  Anyway, I'd still like an opinion on this issue.   R ad io pa th y  •talk•   18:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * My general preference is to give the reader enough information for them to understand what we are referring to; less is unhelpful, and more is patronising. That's why we have wikilinks, for example, so that if a reader does not fully understand a term they may click on it to learn more. In this case (but I am British), I would have thought that most readers of an English language encyclopedia would know where England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are. I cannot speak for a schoolchild in Mozambique. There is a regrettable lack of consensus here as to how the nationality of British people is to be described, and this seems also to persist in place names. The bottom line is that I don't see any benefit to be gained from lengthy descriptions of placenames when they can be wikilinked to appropriate articles, and especially not in infoboxes, which are not intended for expositions of detail. Hope that helps. Rodhull  andemu  13:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit summary etiquette
I'm not sure if it was meant in good humour (!) or not, but let's keep our edit summaries free of vulgarity. DocKino (talk) 21:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We do not have an tag; but we do have some preferences. Rodhull  andemu  21:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Um... I thought it was funny, and besides, I was wondering if the Brits spelled that word wrong, too!  &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Writing an article to even moderately onerous standards is not that difficult to achieve. I went back 500 edits to find an opening sentence for the lead that actually had consensus- and didn't even hit the beginning of October. People should cease improving that which does not require improvement, IMO. Rodhull  andemu  21:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not sure whether you are responding to my comment or not. To clarify, I thought your "honor -> honour; WP:ENGVAR, for fuck's sake!" edit summary was funny. Perhaps you didn't intend it to be. It reminded me of how I feel when repeating the same corrections over and over to various articles. With regard to the "Hey Jude" opening sentence, I fought for a different lead paragraph a few months ago and lost. The current lead paragraph quickly descends into trivia that few readers will ever want to know (song structure details). &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Shirley Bassey
Could you please keep an eye on this article. You will see from recent editing that, not for the first time, we have a user trying to force their version of the 'facts' on the whole world. Unless I am completely wrong, it is in violation of Verifiability. Thank you,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Will watchlist it, although I must get some zzz's before long. Rodhull  andemu  00:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

On the same subject matter, Bassey that is, fellow editor User:Nyctc7 e-mailed me with the following; ''I spent a modest $10 and used http://www.recordresearch.com/, by Joel Whitburn, author of the "Bibles" of US chart positions. I confirmed Shirley's US chart positions (except the site does not have the Dance Chart). Anyway, from reading the terms of agreement on the website, my interpretation is that this website cannot be cited as a source, as a Wiki Discography, I think, would be considered a "derivative work". Yet here and there I see people cite the Joel Whitburn books (but not this website). What do you think? ''

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Sorry about the length of the above codicil, but I thought that you, like me, might not have access to the full terms. The basic question is, can this site be used as a source or not, and if not, why can the books from the same author. Or can they ?

I am a little confused over these issues, and felt unable to give advice - hence passing the buck to you ! Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good grief! It's late here and I am not best positioned to disentangle legal technicalities right now. Sites requiring subscriptions, whatever their T&Cs, are generally deprecated here; I'm wondering whether the Billboard site would not provide this detail, after all, Whitburn has something to sell. Meanwhile, WP:CHARTS might be useful. Rodhull  andemu  23:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Boy George Comment on George Michael
Hello. I noticed that you deleted the entry I made on the Boy George page about his comments about George Michael during the Band Aid tapings. Here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1Mt1Dn0ao Artemisboy (talk) 16:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe this, but we cannot use the clip as a source because it is a copyright violation; if a different reliable source has commented on this, we could use that. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  16:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Cults of personality
Actually, Captions includes a specific exception for notable photographers. Examples of featured pictures that run with photographer/artist credit in the caption:

Jerry Avenaim is arguably more notable than Arthur Rothstein; Avenaim's stature is comparable to George Hurrell. As a project we're fortunate when a photographer of his caliber releases material under copyleft license. Durova 349 18:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how that guideline squares with this; the two are clearly in conflict, and I would draw the distinction between articles discussing the photograph or photographer and those who use his/her work to illustrate a more general topic. Featured Pictures I would argue are a special case, but since it would appear moot and unlikely to reach any consensus one way or another, I can't really get excited about it. Rodhull  andemu  18:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Prior to making the edit I had discussed the matter with the editors who were active on the matter and achieved unanimous agreement. There's nothing in policy or guideline to specify featured pictures as a special case; they demonstrate best practice at the highest level of content.  The New York Times ran a feature story last summer specifically about Mr. Avenaim's Wikipedia contributions.  Mainly asking that you be more careful about edit summaries that could be viewed as having a snarky tone.  A lot of potentially encyclopedic media is proprietary and/or physically unavailable.  It takes months to negotiate the Bundesarchiv and Tropenmuseum donations; we'd like to follow that up eventually with approaches to smaller quality collections such as the Hurrell estate.  When a really major photographer gets blown off like Joe Schmoe, that risks creating bad word of mouth.  99% of the time we do deal with self-promoting Joe Schmoes, but in the long run it's worth the trouble of checking to tell the difference.  Durova  349 19:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I can safely say as a non-self-promoting Joe Schmoe that I wouldn't object to being "blown off", although the term may have a different meaning in the USA than it does in England. It would be excellent for morale if once in a while we non-self-promoting Joe Schmoes got a little credit for our contributions; after all, notable photographers are paid to hobnob with celebrities, get expenses to do so, and their equipment is tax-deductible. Ours isn't. Rodhull  andemu  22:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

AWB request
Hey, I've noticed that you have been actively approving/denying AWB requests. I have placed one and I would like to know if it's possible to get approved. Thanks! Addihockey (t/c) 22:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully I'll get to the outstanding requests shortly. Rodhull  andemu  22:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Macheda
Actually, I was thinking that Macheda might live in an apartment. – PeeJay 09:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Unlikely, I feel, for a Premier League footballer. I know Washway Lane, and cheap it is not. Rodhull  andemu  14:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but the casual reader isn't going to know that. I still think that we should leave the bit about him living in a house in there. – PeeJay 17:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That kind of trivial detail should be taken as read unless there is a source to the contrary; in any case, we do not normally specify addresses of subjects of biographies for privacy reasons. I assume that Washway Lane is reliably sourced, and I think that is as far as we should sensibly go. Rodhull  andemu  17:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

One lump, or two?
Here's something to perk you up. For the next 14 hours, or so. You might enjoy listening to some soothing music during this time, and please, do not attempt to operate any heavy machinery. Also, try to refrain from staring at your own hands for extended periods. Some articles you may enjoy completely rewriting, from scratch:
 * - Karma
 * - Republic
 * - L. Ron Hubbard
 * - anything Pokemon related, because those little buggers are trippy, maaann....

Happy editing! Herbally, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 01:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and much appreciated, but I am near the end of my day here, and pretty much a roller coaster it has been, although I did have the luxury of a couple of lamb chops reduced from £3 to 30p earlier with some steamed new potatoes, butter & mint sauce & gravy. Four chicken breast fillets reduced from £5 to £1.60 helps, and they will make some good stir-fries over the next few days. I could do with a break, perhaps. Rodhull  andemu  01:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Careful with those chicken breasts, Eugene. I'd cook them first, or get them into a marinade, tout suite! I wrote a paper in school titled Food Bourne Illness in Canada. (Got an "A"). Turns out 95% of FBI in Canada was from chicken meat. Caveat emptor! Good luck, and bon appetit! Best Regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I slow-cooked them in butter for two hours, turning every 30 mins; enough to combat the bacteria; they are now cooled and in the fridge at 3 degrees. I've done it before, without any problems. Some tarragon would be helpful, however. Rodhull  andemu  01:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

 * No idea how to respond to this beyond "thanks very much". I just do what I do to make this a usable, defensible, source of knowledge; but that's the whole object, isn't it? Rodhull  andemu  01:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way
"If you can convince arbcom or Jimbo that I should not be an admin then I will likely stop being an admin."

It is rather clear on his recall proceedings that Jimbo's talk page is an appropriate forum. You can stop with that now. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "Convince" appears to be rather a large stumbling block in this instance. Rodhull  andemu  10:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The Winston Hotel Southampton
I note your query about this article. I did apply for it to be speedily deleted but my request was denied on the grounds that "notability is asserted by the paragraphs about World War II" which said "Also during World War 2 Adolf Hitler of Germany targeted The Winston Hotel to be bombed during the summer of 1942. Although at the last minute Adolf changed his mind and targeted the Supermarine Spitfire factories by the docks. There also is evidence of this in the local Mitchell air museum in Southampton by way of maps and highlighted photographs." To put it bluntly - what a load of B#ll#cks.

The present article has got rid of most of the false claims, but I still can't see any justification for keeping he article. Could you add your comments (either way) to the AfD. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The C of E
Hi. He's up to his old flag adding tricks again, despite his best efforts to delete items on his talk page, history of that and his contributions make it clear. Can you put a stop to this? Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 20:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Watching; he hasn't done it since he blanked the warning. Rodhull  andemu  22:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

What sort of lawyer were you...
Just thought I would ask for some reason. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A Rhode Island Red. Oh, sorry: mostly criminal, some family & licensing. Rodhull  andemu  21:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy to know you weren’t a "Boring" lawyer. I owned a Rhode Island Red Cockerel and he was a right bastard. His name was Frankie and, because we had enough of him, he was summarily executed and fed to the dogs. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 22:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also do you have any video footage of you on University challenge? Lol. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, yes, both on VHS. Rodhull  andemu  23:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Whao VHS you are old. --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * DVD recorders were not around in 1984, and if they had been would have been too expensive for a mere student. Rodhull  andemu  23:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So students spent all there money on alcohol even back then huh…--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really. Because I'd already been to two higher education institutes, I didn't qualify for a grant and had to pay my own fees, accommodation and travelling- much like today. That left money for food or alcohol. Guess which I chose? Rodhull  andemu  23:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (Sadly I can no longer drink due to medical reasons...)--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm told that excess alcohol consumption can lead to a yellowing of the skin, irrational behaviour and a flattening of one's personal image, but I've never managed to consume alcohol to excess since I usually fall asleep before I've had enough. I suppose now Ottava Rima might call for my de-sysopping on the basis of that admission, but I've found on this website that you must take the rough with the very rough. Or go elsewhere, of course. Rodhull  andemu  23:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The Jackson 5
please show me the vandalism you are taking about on The Jackson 5. I looked at the history and found no edits by my IP adress. Please clear this up. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.204.87 (talk) 22:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ It was a year ago, and very likely to be another user.  Rodhull  andemu  22:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Need Help!!
I've recently keep getting into a debate with a user named simone Jackson and we have different points of view and theres nothing wrong with that but the both of us are consistently reverting each other edits on a few pages as in Off The Wall, Thriller, History,List of best selling albums worldwide, and I want to know what to do. You see Michael jacksons worldwide sales for off the wall was 20 million it was just certified an extra million in the USA so that would bring the total to 21 million. I found on the offical website of JacKson the record sales for History and it didnt say 20 million (40 Million) units but 21 million and 42 million units which included the a different version one cd release. Lastly thriller was just certified an extra million as well by Riaa so now its 29 million which would make 110 million to 111 million. Me and this user talk briefly but it seems that we both cant find a agreement. I saw your name on the Jackson page and you done a lot of editing and your an admin as well so can you help the situation, Should I just leave the worldwide figures alone or let it be changed because it was updated? A Star Is Here (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a content dispute which I feel disinclined to involve myself in; if the two of you, with input from other editors, can't sort it out on the talk pages, I'd recommend you seek a third opinion, or if sources are in dispute, try asking here. Rodhull  andemu  22:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rod for watching over my talk page. I would advise ASIH that increasing the sourced total worldwide sales figures of albums when US RIAA certifications increase is a violation of WP:OR and factually inaccurate. RIAA certifications, or any certifications for that matter, are not an accurate way of measuring sales. You cannot add sales and certifications together, the two do not mix. — R  2  20:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Hope you're keeping well. Rodhull  andemu  20:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm good, glad to see your still keeping up the fight. :) — R  2  20:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The Redway School, Milton Keynes
Thanks for putting right what I started. I shall try and find the citation. If I do I shall get you to add it because I am now disabled. Also in Schools in Milton Keynes, both White Spire and The Redway School are special schools. Needs new category but Milton Keynes has not got grammar schools. Throughgrittedteeth (talk) 22:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, it is not urgent. Cheers.  Rodhull  andemu  22:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The web site which is cited is http://www.archive2.official-documents.co.uk/document/deps/ofsted/hc286/286-pre.htm

Hope this will do.

Throughgrittedteeth (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Rodhull  andemu  23:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Best citation I can do is The Redway School Governing Body Minutes - Spring Term 1994. Available from the Governing Body. Throughgrittedteeth (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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Nothing444
Hi, 18:23, 25 April 2008 Rodhullandemu (talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nothing444" ‎ (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: User blocked & RfA would have been inappropriate . At Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nothing444 2 your deletion of the first RFA is receiving criticism. You may like to comment there. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Headcorn & Maidstone Junction Light Railway
Hi, placing the coord in the diagram breaks the diagram display. How do we get around this? Also, why do we need coords when the railway would have had many coords had it been built. The only definite locations are Maidstone West station, Tovil Goods station and Headcorn Junction station. Mjroots (talk) 06:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I generally add coords for the endpoints of linear features, such as railways. I thought it looked OK in the diagram, but it could just as easily be at the top of the article. Rodhull  andemu  12:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Threat of violence in London school
Would you mind taking a look at this ANI thread. Any advice - I could contact both the cops and the school, but would they think I was a nutter? --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My experience with this sort of thing is that whereas the FBI do take it seriously, the UK police aren't too bothered about this sort of thing; last time I reported such an incident, I was advised to contact the IWF, but they aren't interested in threats of violence, as far as I can see. Worth an email to the school though, so that if anything does happen, they know its origin, and the plods may take notice then.  Rodhull  andemu  00:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. The first of the two diffs is definitely a bit...unsettling.  The second looks much more playgroundy.  I'll definitely email the school - it may strike a chord with them.  If I do ring the Met, it'll be tomorrow.  One sounds much less of a nutter on a sunday morning than on saturday night!--Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone has oversighted the comments, making the entire thing moot. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've encountered this before too; if the oversighters think evidence should be preserved, they will not normally oversight. My take is that they don't think it serious enough, and I suppose they're used to that. Rodhull  andemu  01:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

User:213.245.238.55
Could you have a look at this user, who seems intent on doing little more than adding inappropriate external links. About fifteen times, at the present count, and I wonder whether he/she needs a more serious warning than has happened thus far. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to have got the message, so I've given him a week's break to consider it. Rodhull  andemu  00:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Heavy. Metal.
You beat me to the revert, because I was busy reading the talk page! Now I know... Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Happens all the time. Best, Rodhull  andemu  22:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy 's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good grief! I'm touched and appreciate this greatly. I am conscious that I have been done a great honour. Thank you very much. Rodhull  andemu  00:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Jazz Mellor
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Caroline Quentin "Tub of Lard" vandal is back
This person you banned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.0.223.188 is turning up again with the same puerile comment. I doubt there is enough for a range block yet but he has used the following dynamic IPs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.18.70.104 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.16.29.61 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.17.40.53 Anything possible here? And I see he has also been changing Tony Robinson from a Labour Party member to BNP 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 21:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * . What's wrong with these people? There's no plausible rangelock here, but I so no harm in semi-protecting those articles for a while and hope he'll go away. Rodhull  andemu  21:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Something to perk you up
You could take a look at this. Always cheers me up! Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 01:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That takes me way back to my university days, or some of the later ones; I remember John Peel playing them, and The Tube was severely cool in its day. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  01:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Wolfgang Werlé
Please could you watch Wolfgang Werlé. This one has legs. Thanks.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. Rodhull  andemu  14:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, as you can see, there have been some WP:BRD antics here in the last 24 hours. Herr Werlé has had some dud legal advice, as there is no serious possibility of the English language Wikipedia removing this information.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * False positive - you appear to have branded the removal of information from articles where it isn't relevant as "unconstructive". 81.111.114.131 (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relevance is to be determined by discussion and consensus, not unilaterally by you. Please discuss on talk page, and do not remove this again. Rodhull  andemu  14:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Show me the evidence of "discussion and consensus" that supports inserting that entire paragraph into the article. Otherwise, please cease inserting irrelevant information into articles.  81.111.114.131 (talk) 15:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no view on the relevance of that material, however, it is sourced and its relevance to the article should be discussed- by you and others- on the article Talk page. Unless you want a holiday from editing, I strongly suggest you stop being disruptive and discuss this there. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  15:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This is the most significant legal challenge that Wikipedia has faced since the Virgin Killer affair in December 2008. Wolfgang Werlé has scored an own goal because few people in the English speaking world were aware of this case before his legal threats.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If Herr Werlé's legal team thinks that Wikipedia is paying €5100 plus costs for stating known facts, then someone is taking the piss.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 16:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've seen some optimistic lawyers in my time, but this just about takes the biscuit. Trying to impose "contractual" damages for breach of reputation of a convicted murderer, outside German jurisdiction, is a triump of hope over experience the like of which I have never seen before. Laughable indeed. Rodhull andemu  17:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I was editing out a sarcastic comment with my edit with no reason. I couldn't be bothered to write a reson, it's pretty obvious what I edited out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.155.21 (talk) 20:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The diff says otherwise; you removed the source, but not the content. Rodhull  andemu  20:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no desire to spoil Herr Werlé's parole, but this is surely an example of the Streisand effect in action. Had Herr Werlé kept his mouth shut, none of this would have happened, since the case was (until now) little known in the English speaking world. It caused a sensation in the German tabloid press (rather like the murder of Jill Dando in the UK) but has not received much coverage outside Germany.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's interesting that the New York Times has now covered this. Just a thought: if the German courts really believed that life would be unbearably difficult for the two killers on parole, why did it not give them a new identity, as happened with Mary Bell, Jon Venables and Robert Thompson and Maxine Carr. It would be ludicrous to attempt to airbrush these famous UK cases out of the media, but the courts would be justified in preventing the publication of information that could lead to vigilante attacks. The UK courts can get it wrong (as seen by the recent Trafigura affair), but the German courts are now facing a similarly untenable situation.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Another quick thought: this page from www.stoppandstopp.com shows that Alexander Stopp is qualified to practice at both the Frankfurt and New York State Bar. This means that he must be fully aware of the First Amendment, and why he would be wasting his time in a US court. Still, fees are fees.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole thing gets more and more bizarre; I don't know of anyone who is supporting their position. Rodhull  andemu  12:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

TONY KAY
Hi there. Thanks for your constructive criticism. This was my first proper bash at Wikipedia contributing, I know full well I can be too flowery, so I'll try and have another edit. I did base what I'd written on reading I have done and conversations with people who saw Tony Kay play for Everton. I wondered if in your opinion it is alright to group things based on real people's recollections under something like an "Urban Myths" type heading? I just feel with something like football, there's a real value in recording a bit of terrace talk and the type of legends and stories that build up around footballers and football clubs down the years - as well of course as the cold hard factual information and statistics. Be interested to know what you think.

Cheers.

MrKapow (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi; the problem you may have is finding reliable sources for various stories and recollections. Everything we publish should be verifiable by any editor, so those sources need to be written (although there are various ways of citing sources). As for an "Urban myths" section, I'm not convinced that would be considered encyclopedic. Perhaps the best place to start is a local library to see if there is a biography of Kay. I'm not sure how far back the archives of the Liverpool Echo go, but they are online. Best of luck. Rodhull  andemu  21:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Snap!
You beat me to the warning but I beat you to the fix :) Keep up the good work! -- Timberframe (talk) 22:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Ethnic means nothing...
You did not get accepted as an administrator by claiming you would make edits like this. I doubt the real Rod Hull likes to encourage hatred with lies. I don't think you are permitted to assume the name of a celebrity unless you are that celebrity so there. ~ R.T.G 23:02, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am beginning to assume you saw the word as bad grammar but if you check the definition it was accurate and in line with the source. ~ R.T.G 23:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The real Rod Hull is dead. However, I am not he, I am a simulacrum of a composite and nobody would realistically confuse the two. If you look at my RfA, you'll be able to gauge the level of confidence the community had in me 21 months ago, which has not been effectively challenged since then. However, making this personal does not contribute to improving the article, so I'd be obliged if you will address the relevant issues there. And I did not see it as bad grammar; I saw it as replacing a defensible term (although you disagree as to sourcing) with a unacceptably vague one. Thank you. Rodhull  andemu

Why did you revert my work. Now the Syd Barrett article is not accurate......Please check the references I submitted next time.
Now I have to go back and do this all over again. Please don't touch it. Thanks.

How to grant AWB request?
Hello, Rodhullandemu. There is someone at there on the Swahili Wikipedia requested for approval on using AWB, but I don't even know how to grant it. Would you be so kind to help me the way it's done? I would really appreciate it if you'll help me for that! Thanks in advance. Yours,--'''Mwanaharakati(Longa) 06:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, I was approved for AWB on en.wikipedia a few months ago, and made a lot of edits on sw.wikipedia; the AWB worked just fine without me getting official permission from sw.wikipedia. Then, a month ago I was unable to successfully log in AWB to sw.wikipedia and I figured that the AWB approval mechanism had been put in place at sw, and I just continued working without the AWB.  So today I asked MuddyB about it as I have some work to do with AWB, and he left a message here.  I am at sw:user:Mr Accountable.  Thanks for your time. --Mr Accountable (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. As far as I know, if the project language is selectable from the dropdown combo box, you should be able to use AWB on that project. I don't know the approval mechanisms on other wikis, but User:Reedy, who wrote AWB, should be able to help you. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  14:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your direction! I've got the answer and he helped me a lots. Thanks again!--'''Mwanaharakati(Longa) 07:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

BNP
Please add back the part about "whites only" removed by off2riorob. The illegal constitution has not been revoked, all that has happened is that the leaders have voted to ballot the party membership on whether the constitution should be changed, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8360185.stm. No change in the constitution has taken place at this time. 86.135.98.177 (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, with sources. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  18:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Whites only
Please do not put this back, it is illegal now, are you accusing the bnp of illegal activity? The bnp have commented on numerous occasions that this is illegal and that they accept the new legallity, sorry it is over..the bnp is no longer a whites only party. Off2riorob (talk) 19:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It. hasn't. happened. yet. What's so difficult to understand about that? The court hearing didn't quash their constitution, it issued a declaration on the BNP's undertaking to amend it. Until that happens, it is a valid legal document and accurately sets out the BNP's policy as it is now. Whatever, I've had enough of arguing the law in my lifetime, and since I'm not being paid to do it now, you and RTG can argue it all you like, but without the benefit of my opinion. And the very best of luck. Rodhull  andemu  19:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to discuss this more with you, but I respect your saying goodbye as a desire not to continue discussion, I am available for mature unemotional discussion as regards this issue at any time, feel free to contact me if you desire, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You will be able to comment at the upcoming WP:RFC. Rodhull  andemu  20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, I am open to discuss this and I am happy to discuss it anywhere. Off2riorob (talk) 20:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You might also wish to review WP:RS and WP:CRYSTAL first. Rodhull  andemu  20:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't appreciate comments linking me to supposed policy that I am in need of reading, I often use my common sense and I find that fits quite well with wiki policy and guidelines. Off2riorob (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:88.110.74.237 seems to be back in business
You might check his page and two editors' comments. Viva-Verdi (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A quick look makes me doubt that this is the same editor- so far the target it tottally different to User:WJH1992, and it is a dynamic IP address; I'll keep an eye on his contribs, however. ThHanks for letting me know. Rodhull  andemu  20:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Ahahahahahaha,
I knew I recognized that name somewhere, seems you grabbed the attention of grawp.. or just one of the many harassment SPA socks I've acquired, see, now blocked indef for harassment, of course, although I believe impersonation should be added to that list.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  22:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, please reply on my talk page.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  22:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm flattered, in a ghoulish sort of way, that he thinks I'm worthy of impersonation, while being astonished that anyone would believe it for more than a nanosecond. Some people's minds work in strange ways- and some don't appear to work at all. Rodhull  andemu  22:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Audrey Hepburn
Ok, I still can't see on that page how to source for categorys, so maybe you could do it. Theres many sources out there, this being one: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/books/chapters/1008-1st-spoto.html?pagewanted=print In that it says the family was traced back to have Irish and also Scottish ancestry, but most sources describe him as being Anglo-Irish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugg1900 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This source seems far to vague to be definite, and the author says so himself. The linkage seems too remote to sustain the addition of a category. Rodhull  andemu  15:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Really? It's odd how you think this source is too vague yet you accept it as the same source given for her mothers identity. How about http://www.audrey1.org/biography/7/short-biography-of-audrey-hepburn as a source? To be honest I think you're being biased/ignorant for some unknown reeason, because as Isaid, anywhere where you can find her mothers identity, you can also find her fathers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugg1900 (talk • contribs) 11:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and please remember WP:CIVIL. The second link you cite above cannot be used as a reliable source since it clearly states at the bottom "This article is modified from an article that appeared on WikiPedia"- self-references are not permitted here. Meanwhile, categories are pretty blunt instruments and should be treated the same as any other statement in an article- maybe I've missed something, but I didn't see the author of your first link rising above speculation; in fact, what he did was synthesise two sources to arrive at a conclusion, but did not do so with overwhelming confidence. That's why I don't consider it usable, however, you are free to raise the matter here. Rodhull  andemu  16:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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Sarah Harding
Hi

I noticed you removed my edit re Sarah Harding. The reference is from the interview but I don't know how to credit it. I am also married to her father which makes me a pretty reliable source! I know for a fact he introduced her to the studio at a very young age. Please could you put it back in? I have just created a page which I linked to from Sarah's page about John. Thanks, Kate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by K8music (talk • contribs) 16:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It was more the way it was written; mentioning genetic inheritance of musical talent is liable to be challenged since it's disputed, as far as I am aware. As for sourcing, we would need a reliable third-party source as you might well be considered to have a conflict of interest here. However, I see no problem with just saying that Sarah's father is also a musician and encouraged her interest in music. Can you provide a link to the interview? Hope that helps. Rodhull  andemu  16:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Natasha Richardson
Rodhullandemu, thank you for your message. Just to let you know I quite am aware that residing somewhere does not confer citizenship on the person residing there, nor did I ever state that it did. I have cited (multiple) sources before for Richardson's American citizenship, and have had them inexplicably deleted by inept, or malicious editors. Thank you for reverting your own edits once you discovered the facts about her citizen status. (75.69.241.91 (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC))
 * A quick Google, no problem, but I'm surprised it was unsourced in the article. However, now fixed. Rodhull  andemu  16:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thierry Henry Talk Protection
Hi, the protection policy under semi-protection says that "A page and its talk page should not both be protected at the same time". I won't un-protect the page and contradict your decision, but it would be good if you could take a second look please. Camw (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Further up the same section, "Subject to significant but temporary vandalism or disruption (for example, due to media attention) when blocking individual users is not a feasible option." I take the implied higher priority to take precedence, and apply WP:IAR in any event. It's only six hours, and these hyped-up whingers will have had some sleep in the meantime. Rodhull  andemu  00:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Taliban {editprotected} refusal
Can you review your decision. It's erroneous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidHuo (talk • contribs) 12:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, and I didn't refuse, I declined. Rodhull  andemu  13:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Jimbo Wales
Did you make a mistake with protection settings by setting move protection to expire on November 15, rather than the edit protection? If so, can it be unprotected please? I thought that the page supposed to have indef. move protection. Thanks in advance. --70.60.96.79 (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, the joys of late-night editing. Thanks for reminding me. Rodhull  andemu  16:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Updatehelper
Can you take a peek at the editing of this user who is running riot with AWB, an application you seem to be familiar with. Many thanks. RashersTierney (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have replied at WP:ANI. Rodhull  andemu  17:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Spotted that. Thanks. RashersTierney (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

File:FairportGladysLeap2.jpg
Hi, re File:FairportGladysLeap2.jpg, you put "the graphic artist, unknown". I have an original copy on vinyl, and the inner sleeve states "Cover by Mick Toole" and also "&copy; Woodworm Records, 1985". I guess that the first of these ought to be added to the file's description; I'll leave you to it. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I don't have an original copy myself, and will add those details. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  18:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)