User talk:Skotywa/Archive 2

Match lineup images
I actually use a free program called Inkscape to create the images. Unfortunately, I can't offer you any sort of tutorial for the program as I basically learned to use it by trial-and-error. My only tip would be to save a pre-existing line-up image to your computer and play around with it. – PeeJay 09:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Seattle Sounders FC Supporter Groups
Thanks for the update. I can't wait to see it. – Sid1977Sid1977 15:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Cup Final peer review
Hmm, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but if I do I'll be sure to let you know. One question - how did the Sounders split up the $100k prize? Wasn't it divided among the players? I can't remember the details, and have no clue how D.C. United distributed theirs. ← George talk 07:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, will do. I suspect they split the prize among all the players on the team, and that's why it was notable that they included Forrest in the split, because he was no longer on the roster. But I'll see if I can find something to support that. Cheers. ← George talk 07:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Qwest
It is damn close if not already ready. I have made a couple recent changes and several editors have done some spot checks. I will more than likely go over it a few more times then nominate it again. Please feel free to adjust it if you see anything. And nice work on the recent GA!Cptnono (talk) 06:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you know I was joking around with the "you expletive" comment awhile back! Someone brought up a concern with the State of Football image again at Featured article candidates/Qwest Field/archive2 so I removed it again. I like it and think it conveys the info much better than the text so we'll see if tinkering with the FAR can get it back in. Don't know if you caught the PDX match but it was interesting. Hopefully no strike so we can see the guys rip it up in the regular season.Cptnono (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Hopefully it will be a favorable response.Cptnono (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Great. I can retire from Wikipedia now! (not really). So has a great '09 review. We might need to consider blowing out most of '09 since so much of it was preliminary outline work. Not sure though. Cptnono (talk) 01:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL and agreed! I actually gave the first scarf one (nice work making it again) to Antoine for his effort. He screws up but he is new and has been busting his ass (er... fingers since it is online?) here and there. I've been watching George for another reason to come up to give him one. I almost gave him one for starting the task force but am not sure if it is too late or would come across only as a "thank you". Maybe I am putting too much thought into it :) Saturday @ 7:30! Cptnono (talk) 01:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Milk is god for White Russians when you don't have any cream in the fridge or a tasty mocha.Cptnono (talk) 01:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually stopped myself from using it on other articles a couple times just in case. It comes across professional and it is used on some other articles. Would have to look into it more or take it to the RS noticeboard to see what people think. Even if it can't be used, the summary isn't bad to work off of.Cptnono (talk) 01:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Grant.Alpaugh
Thanks for the kind words. I hope that I can prove your faith in me was not misplaced. With regards to the 2010 Major League Soccer season article, are you still heavily involved there, because there are some slight changes I would like to discuss. Thanks again. --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  19:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * For my own future reference: my comment in favor of the unblock and my comment on Grant's talk page.

Links to club articles in league table
I really and truly appreciate your attempts to work with me on a compromise. I can't tell you enough how happy that makes me. That said, I left something on WT:FOOTY that hopefully will get a comment or two (btw, I don't know if you watch WT:FOOTY, but you really should). In the interest of including as many people as possible, would you be willing to move (or at least copy) the gist of your comment into the article talk page? I would like to wait a bit longer before deciding that pretty much nobody else cares and we take this on ourselves. Thanks again, and have a good one. --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  03:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your willingness to go along with consensus, but if you think there are other things that can be done to improve the table (and I agree with you) I'd like to work with you to that end. I think all four of the points you raised could be improved upon if you're willing to work with me on them.  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  01:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If my tone offends you, please know that I don't intend it to. Can you please show me where you feel I've made ad hominem or misdirecting arguments so that I can eliminate them in the future?  I've done quite a bit of competitive speaking/debating, and I intend to go to law school in the next year, so if I'm overly argumentative then I honestly apologize.  I make two fundamental assumptions: the position I hold is correct (otherwise I wouldn't hold it, after all) and that you have good reasons for holding your position.  Therefore, I must assume that one of those reasons is that I'm privy to information that you are not.  As you just demonstrated, sometimes it is the case that I'm not privy to information that you are, and if that's the case, then you're probably correct.  That is to say I don't mean you're an ignorant person, just that you (or I, as the case may be) are not aware of all of the information or points that might exist.  I don't mean it as an ad hominem attack, just as a question of your argument's merits and nothing more.  As for the misdirection, I don't know what you're referring to, so the only way I can change my tone or argumentative style is by being made aware of it.  Finally, as for my "lecturing" style, all I can do is try to make a pursuasive argument.  If you find that to be "lecturing" then I don't know what to tell you.  I realize that I'm prone to leaving "walls of text" for lack of a better word, but that's only because I want to address every argument you're making (again, this is a habit I've picked up in debate).  Some of these things I might be able to tone down with your help, and some of these things are just character flaws that we all have to live with.  I can only ask your help with the former and apologize for the latter.  Regardless, you have my unwavering appreciation for your help in getting me unblocked, and my utmost respect for you as a person or editor, regardless of what I think of your proposals for whatever article we're working on.  I hope that we can still work together in the future.  Thank you.  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

For my own future reference: The lecture that took the wind out of my proactive sail, my reply, my comment on his talk page giving up, his claim that I was being counterproductive, and finally, my last reply to cut bait.

MLS Attendances
I'd argue we should shy away from ESPN for MLS attendances. They've proven that they tweak the numbers for whatever reason in opposition to what the league's listed attendances and indeed our our own listed attendances on Wikipedia for individual games if you average them out. Gateman1997 (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Final FAC
Yo! I had a couple thoughts on the FAC but didn;t want to turn the nomination page into a second peer review. It is also my take on it so I might be incorrect. Any thoughts?Cptnono (talk) 02:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reaction and Rewards: I notice the other FAs related to cup finals have a "Post match" section. By merging them, a short section would be eliminated which would look better and be inline with the others.
 * You might get a hard time about the logo. I think the FUR is fine but notice that the primary logo is not used in the FA Cup, EPL, and other footy related pages discussing individual years. Have you seen a year specific logo?
 * The First half subsection should have the inline citations distributed throughout the paragraph if possible.
 * A line or two more in the above section would fill it out to be comparable to other FAs. I'm not sure if it is necessary but maybe a line on formations used, possession ratio during the first half, or something similar might help.
 * Other FAs have tables showing the road to the final. I don;t believe this is necessary and would detract from the text.

Thanks so much
Hey, thanks so much for adding sources to the new DP changes I made. I guess I'm just out of practice. You're the best. --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  05:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't responded to your lengthy comment on my talk page because I wanted to think about it for a bit before I did. That said, should I read anything into the fact that you just made that parenthetical observation, or was it simply something you wanted to add after rereading your comment?  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  17:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For my own context, the paranthetical observation. Probably a little of both.  I was rereading my comment to make sure I wasn't being a jerk (I'm happy to report that I don't think I was).  However, I added the paranthetical for two reasons: (1) to add a little more to entice you to actually click on the link and see what I was talking about; and (2) its rare statistically, thus you're very, very unlikely to accomplish this given the number of indefinite blocks issued vs. the number of awards given (odds are probably 1 in 100,000'ish).  Maybe that adds more motivation.  Maybe that just makes you mad. (shrug) --SkotyWATC 17:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I have taken a look, and I appreciate the faith you have in me. I'll provide more of a reply later.  Have a good one.  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  18:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

MLS Results tables
No jokes: I know how much of a bitch it is to do that kind of editing, and you did an excellent job changing from lime green to lighter grey. Well done. --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  20:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but it really wasn't that hard. Copy/paste to notepad, find/replace, copy/paste back to browser.  20 seconds per edit (about).  --SkotyWATC 01:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You'd think that with the number of times I've made those kinds of edits I would have thought of that, but no, you're clearly much more logical than I am. --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  06:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

2010 MLS season templates
I'm sorry, but where did you find the consensus necessary to justify reverting the compromise supported by consensus? --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  13:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was pretty clear in my comment what I was doing. I reverted it back to the previous consensus (and the only consensus that has ever been reached on the matter).  I errantly "yielded to consensus" just 1.5 days after you broached the topic and you jumped at the opportunity to make your change.  Since then many other editors have commented and posed questions that have yet to be answered.  Furthermore, one of the editors has actually requested that it be reverted back until a new consensus is reached.  I thought I made all this clear in my comments.  Maybe not. BTW, your response is again petty and irrelevant to the topic.  Please lets stick to the issues.  --SkotyWATC 15:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, there wasn't a consensus last year. If you think there was, please take a look at this conversation where 6 editors were against your changes and 3 were in favor of them.  I didn't start the thread, either.  I don't care if you're not a soccer fan in general or whether you think MLS articles should look like North American sports articles, you have to recognize that this article falls under the jurisdiction of WT:FOOTY.  I think what you're doing is the same kind of bullying and ownership that you accused me of last year.  Also, for the record, which of the MLS team season articles are GA or FA status?  I've been looking through them and they're all start-class articles and most of them have half-completed tables, etc.  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  20:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh, the sweet irony here is that you're usually the first one to point out that we don't WP:VOTE, so your referenced 6-3 vote is hardly a point against consensus. Also, if you read the conversation, you can see that there was no true outcome there.  You're choosing to use this conversation because its "vote" is convenient for your purposes.  Here's a more aplicable convesation where consensus was reached despite your (or your sock's) best efforts to filibuster things.  I encourage you to read WP:UNANIMOUS since you seem to be under the impression that as long as you hold out there can be no consensus.  That's just not the case.  Furthermore, as explained in this policy the fact that nobody (other than you and your socks) has discussed these links or reverted them in over a year makes it consensus via "silent acceptance".  Next topic... excelent sluth work in checking to see if any season articles are GA's yet.  If you look at WP:SSFC and WT:SSFC you'll see prioritization discussion for all the Sounders related "pet projects" I'm involved with.  We've developed a number of GA and FA articles, but the season article has been lower priority.  After I finish with the ongoing FA review of 2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final I expect to finally nominate 2009 Seattle Sounders FC season for GA review.  More sluth work for you: if you look at my edit history, you'll see that I've been working on the prose of the season article over the last month and a half (still have more to do).  I'm flattered by your undying concern regarding my motives and the agressive fact checking.  Now that you know everything, I hope you're not disappointed to discover that I'm not up to something sinister.  All the best.  --SkotyWATC 01:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My point on the numbers was mainly to refute the usual argument that "I'm the only one against linking to season articles." I simply want it established that there are other editors with lenthy edit histories that feel the MLS-exception from normal footy standings is unnecessary.  Nothing more.  As for my quick research, I love the loaded characarization of it as "aggressive."  I apologize if I've questioned your motives.  Maybe it was because not five minutes after returning to the project Morry proceeded to question mine about a dozen times.  If you want to take a quick look at his edit history around the 2nd of April, you'll see what I'm talking about.  Anyway, I've recently graduated from college and today I was hired onto Bill O'Neill's campaign in Ohio's 14th congressional district, so I will be keeping a much lower profile for the next several months.  My editing will be mostly limited to the weekends and whatnot.  If it's awhile before we're working together again, please know that I've never had any personal problems with you.  I think you're a great editor, a real asset to the encyclopedia and the MLS articles.  I just disagree with you on some things.  I do honestly apologize for how contentious things got over the last year or so.  It wasn't good for anybody, least of all me.  Anyway, all the best, and I'll talk to you soon.  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  06:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good for you. I've heard that in order to succeed in politics it is often necessary to rise above your principles.  Seriously though, I remember how good it felt to finally graduate.  I graduated with a BS in 2002 and got a software dev job in Redmond, WA (gee, who do you think I work for??), and have been here ever since.  College was great, but I was very glad to be done with it when it was over.  --SkotyWATC 07:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe you know why I questioned your intentions straight away as you picked up the same exact arguments. Has there been anyone speak up about the revert other than Grant thus far? Not to get too personal but congrats to the both of you on your career aspirations and goodluck in the future. Morry32 (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Real football
great, that's clearer for a Brit, I've struck the last two  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  19:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Just offering my congratulations having seen that 2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final has been promoted to FA. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Big  Dom  15:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm always happy to help wherever football articles are concerned (unless its Blackburn Rovers)! Feel free to let me know if you start working on getting any other articles to GA or FA and I'll have a look at them for you. Thanks, Big  Dom  15:18, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to follow up per your request (what you did was good), but found the article has been promoted. Congratulations!  Jappalang (talk) 02:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Task forces invitations
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Footballbox collapsible and MOS:COLLAPSE
I was checking through the MOS and it seems to have been changed back. Do you have any idea whether there was consensus to do it, or if it was simply an MOS elitist horrified that a mere mortal dared to discuss and change it? In either case, I think it might be a good idea to add a parameter to footballbox collapsible to make collapsing optional, but defaulting to collapsible collapsed. WFCforLife (talk) 05:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is resolved now. Someone reverted the changes while I was on wikibreak, as a result of an editor abusing it to hide entire sections of prose. After leaving you the message, I restored it with a slightly tighter definition (using the word "tables", specifically implying that it's unacceptable to collapse prose), and although I've yet to see a final response, s/he seems to be willing to accept the principle for which it was initially intended, with the caveat that pro-collapse advocators are receptive to potentially tighter wording to prevent abuse. For the two purposes I'm aware of (footballbox collapsible and family trees) I can't see that being a problem.


 * How are things going at WP:SOUNDERS? WFCforLife (talk) 10:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final TfA?
Hi Skoty, I have a suggestion: maybe you should nominate 2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final for September 2 at this link. – CG Talk 19:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

– CG Talk 18:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Leonardo Gonzalez photo
Thanks for the note - I thought it was an issue on with my internet connection, but turns out the Wikipedia server has a software bug that's causing reduced versions of images to not show up (if you're curious, this is the full sized version). The note says "Please sit tight, do not remove the images from articles, and hopefully the technical wizards will get it fixed soon.", so we can leave the broken image up and hope the tech wizards do their thing? --Mosmof (talk) 02:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

File:SoundersUSOpenCup.jpg listed for deletion
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 * My opinion is that there is a strong rationale for using it in the Open cup article, and that it's a marginal call for the main Sounders article. I'm reluctant to get involved in copyright discussions on this site though; in the past I've found it to be a frustrating and counterintuitive process. Regards, --WFC-- 07:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It might be cheesy for me to give you yet another one, but going to bat to get the permission was awesome. The photo is better known than the other one anyways.


 * I hear you. I was a little surprised it actually was deleted. It seems like the tolerance for what is and is not accepted varies to a massive extent. Get the wrong user on the wrong day and boom, an image is nomed and gone. The guidelines really can be read strictly or loosely depending on who is reading them. Oh well. It all worked out. Shame it was such a pain. Hopefully Chivas will fall tomorrow and there will be another final with the Sounders this year.Cptnono (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Go through how many points it has and make sure there are not any conflicting articles that have more points on that date. Should be a realistic possibility.Cptnono (talk) 04:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
Hello! Your submission of 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
 * Not totally an issue that you can fix, mainly an issue with the section you (apparently erroneously) chose to list the nomination under. I'll leave that bit to someone with more DYK experience to handle. Otherwise, you could help resolve the issues regarding the empty section and the hook. Regards, Strange Passerby (talk) 05:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
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Talk page stalking
Oh no, nothing like that. It just means that I watch Dabomb's talk page! --WFC-- 23:24, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that seems like the way to go. In the (unlikely but plausible) event that you end up with a situation where there are three higher-scoring noms for dates after the intended Open Cup main page date, just drop a note on Raul's talk page. I believe that if there are no nominations that he takes one from the pending list (and if there isn't one, an article at random), but I don't know that for certain. --WFC-- 23:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

FA review
Certain things take priority over everything else and family and work are certainly two of them. Best wishes to you.

Next March might work for FT. Probably need a couple other articles but it might be possible.

Next season might be interesting with some of the recent changes. Nothing major but enough that it might be the edge the Sounders need to progress to the MLS Cup!Cptnono (talk) 19:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * D'oh "TFA". That is an easily attainable goal unless someone comes up with one that has massive points!Cptnono (talk)

Hehehe: "There are several reasons why this is different than other MLS articles." You mean that it is FA? :) By the way, the FA for Sigi is going alright. One guy just ripped it apart CE wise (which was awesome) but I still see to worries: Is it NPOV enough (per a comment) and Sigi is wearing yellow an black in the main image (per Georges)? I think we can take care of the NPOV (I kind of like yelling at him myself) but I suck at photography. So regardless of if it goes through or not, if you have a chance to take a pic from a camera phone of him in Sounders' colors it would be sweet. To be honest, everyone we have tried has been horrible.Cptnono (talk) 09:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL. I actually just removed that last bit since it seemed too personal but you are awake right now! I assumed but didn't know if you were at the main campus or not. One of the dudes at Redmond is one of my buddies who was getting an extra ticket every few games. But the facility is so big it would probably be too hard to know who is who. The fun thing about Seattle is the tech and the soccer. One of the guys who I actually disagree with on the message boards at the Sounders page is a dude who I ran into at another reputable company in Kirkland. It was hilarious walking up to his desk and realizing it. Nintendo is also full of them. Who needs airplanes, right?Cptnono (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you could get a pic it would be great. The one of him in Columbus gear is pretty good but if we had a recent one it would be great. If you are asking, let them know that Sigi's page is a hair away from being FA which is one of the best articles out of who-knows-how-many. Cptnono (talk) 09:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

GAN for 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
Hello. I finished my review and placed the GAN on hold pending resolution of a couple of minor issues. You can find the review here. –Grondemar 00:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for quickly addressing my concerns; I've passed the review.  Congratulations! –Grondemar 02:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work. I've put down a few thoughts at the peer review. Regards, —WFC— 08:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

PR questions
I added three or four more very brief replies just now to the peer review for the Lamar Hunt Open article. Finetooth (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Featured list
As much as I'd like to get the results by opponent list featured in the future it might not happen now, if the outcome of this discussion is negative. The difference between what is and what isn't acceptable seems very hazy to me. Argyle 4 Life talk  00:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Favour to ask
Hi there. I was wondering if I could draw on a little bit of your stateside sporting expertise. I'm trying to work on Terry Smith (football). Pretty interesting fellow, and while the sourcing is sub-standard, from what is there so far it's clear that the soccer-related stuff isn't too far off of the mark. I was wondering if you had any idea where I might go to find out a bit more about what he's done in American Football though, or if you could point me in the direction of someone who might? I've got no reason to doubt The Independent as a source, but I can't find any evidence of him ever being drafted or playing in the NFL, nor am I too sure where I might check if he is still involved in American football, as the article claims.

Btw, sorry if my suggestions have caused trouble at the FAC. I think the issue wasn't so much the ideas (which were definitely worth persuing), but my slackness at checking the last set of changes to a water-tight standard. On the other hand though, I don't see how anyone could dispute that two forwards for a midfielder and forward is "offensive-minded", or how any reader could possibly see "huge ovation" and "standing ovation" as being in any way different. —WFC— 12:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not too sure if it's the same person or not, because this guy was 41 in 1999 (although mysteriously 40 in 2000, so he's clearly doing something special!). Cheers for the pointers though, and I'll see if I can track down a Patriots fan. By the way, check out the proposal to put featured lists on the main page if you get the chance. —WFC— 05:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Recognition
Seeing your user page fill with icons showing another DYK or featured article is fantastic. Consider jumping into the Wikicup next year.Cptnono (talk) 09:02, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

American Soccer Archives Invitation
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Barnstar
Thanks!  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 16:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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Main page appearance
Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on March 19, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/March 19, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director,. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tb hotch * ۩ ۞ 19:30, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

 

Seattle Sounders FC is a Major League Soccer (MLS) team based in Seattle, Washington that plays its home matches at Qwest Field. It was established in November 2007 as an MLS expansion team. The league's 15th team; Sounders FC played the first match of its inaugural season on March 19, 2009. During their first two seasons every home game was sold out, they set a new MLS record for average match attendance, and they sold the most season tickets in the league. Seattle finished both seasons with a winning record and qualified for the MLS playoffs. In 2009 Sounders FC became the second expansion team in MLS history to win the U.S. Open Cup, and in 2010 became the first ever MLS team to repeat as Open Cup champions. Fans selected the Sounders name for the club through an online poll in 2008, making the Seattle Sounders FC the third Seattle soccer team to bear the moniker. (more...)

List of Seattle Sounders seasons
Unfortunately, I think that the list wouldn't stand a good chance of passing at FLC. The big stumbling block is criterion 3b. Since the list is so short, reviewers will probably recommend that the list be put into the main article on the Sounders. There's no official rule governing length, but there was an unofficial 10-item minimum in most cases in the past (don't know how many reviewers still have that in mind). Still, I think the size would be too great an issue to overcome in an FLC. The good news is that this shouldn't harm your FT hopes. If you want to have a separate list, I believe you are allowed to have a peer review count as "auditing" a page if it's too short to pass FLC. I'm not too familiar with the FTC process, meaning you should ask them if I'm correct. Good luck with the topic.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 19:38, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

MLS Cup 2010 GA review
It's a bit sad that many of the articles sharing the MLS championship are meager and modestly written, however, I could help add some citations to the MLS Cup 2010, in sections needed reference tags, such as the TV ratings and match analysis. Quidster4040 (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

MLS Cup 2010 GA nomination?
Hey Skotywa - I've noticed that both the 2009 and 2010 editions of the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Finals are rated as Good Articles. Looking at the content, references and quality of the 2010 MLS Cup final, I think it's worthy of being nominated for a GA-class article. Seeing as you were a huge driving factor behind the Open Cup final's Good Article nomination, I believe you could assist in the process of having this article nominated. How would that work, and is this possible? Quidster4040 (talk) 20:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Follow up to your post - Thank you so much for the help! I have added a WP:GAN template to the talk page and created a subpage with the voting to determine whether or not the article is GA-class. Right now, it is a B-Class article. Quidster4040 (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Seattle Sounders Position Per Round
I'm not sure where you are getting the position per round data as it has not been accurate. It is used to compare teams position after they have played the same amount of games. Currently only the Galaxy and Sounders have played 18 games so it is impossible to determine where they will finish round 18. This webpage is updated and can help you find the correct data. Thanks Metalman75402 (talk) 03:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If you check the MLS table for Position by Round you should see that it matches. MLS_2011 Thanks Metalman75402 (talk) 04:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

GAN for Steve Zakuani
Just so you know, I'm planning on doing the review for Steve Zakuani. I've got some work to do on another WikiProject but once that's done I'll begin, assuming no one else starts in the meantime. Looks pretty good from a brief skimming read, quite interested that he received an offer from PNE being a Prestonian myself, looking forward to going into more detail in the near future. GW (talk)  15:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Steve Zakuani
The article Steve Zakuani you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Steve Zakuani for things which need to be addressed. GW (talk)  17:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a couple of questions about the stats table, because I'm a bit confused. Not so much the stats themselves but the names. Does "League Cup" refer to the MLS Cup Playoffs? And does "North America" refer to the CONCACAF Champions League? GW  (talk)  10:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The article has been passed as a good article. Congratulations! There is currently a large backlog of good article nominations in the Sports and Recreation topic. You're under no obligation to, but now that you've recently gone through the GAN process, you're best placed to perform a review of your own, so please consider it. Thanks for being so cooperative. GW  (talk)  22:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Squad
Hey man! I noticed that their is an on-off "contreversy" on the Seattle Sounders FC squad list. I greatly dislike the current version. Almost all football (soccer) teams have a diferent version than us and I think it shouldn't be like that. I really hope that we can change this one day.

Thanks for your help and see you around,

Antoinefcb (talk) 15:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance: 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
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The 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final was played on October 5, 2010, at Qwest Field (now CenturyLink Field) in Seattle, Washington. The match determined the winner of the 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, a tournament open to amateur and professional soccer teams affiliated with the United States Soccer Federation. This was the 97th edition of the oldest competition in United States soccer. Seattle Sounders FC won the match, defeating the Columbus Crew 2–1. The final drew an attendance of 31,311, surpassing the 81-year-old record for the event. Sounders FC became the first team since 1983 to win two consecutive U.S. Open Cup championships and the first Major League Soccer club to ever do so. As a result of its U.S. Open Cup championship, Seattle earned a berth in the preliminary round of the 2011–12 CONCACAF Champions League, as well as a $100,000 cash prize. The Crew received the runner-up prize of $50,000. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 00:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

And... GO
Nice work on getting 2010 on the main page. I guess the threepeat means this year's has to get at least GA! I trust you enjoyed the evening. Cptnono (talk) 08:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was awesome! I had a group of 41 people from work at the game.  Well, 15 from work plus their family and friends.  A lot of new people exposed to the Sounders.  Very fun stuff.  We had really good seats right in front fo the trophy ceremony.  So as I work on the article, expect to see some nice pictures (no special permission needed this time).  Of course I'm going to work on the next article.  I'll probably start this weekend once the post-match swarm of edits dies down. --SkotyWATC 05:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wow! Apologies for receiving your message late. Nice work. Here's to a Sounders' victory!Cptnono (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)