User talk:Steven Walling

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 * Wow, time flies. Thanks for the reminder! Steven Walling &bull; talk   19:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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Updating sidebar
Hi Steven! I recently stumbled upon the RfC you spearheaded back in 2013 about updating the left sidebar. I've long thought that it could use some revamping, and I would've supported most of your proposed changes had I been around back then, but sadly it looks like it didn't get enough consensus to go anywhere. So I'm wondering (a) have there been any updates in this area since 2013 that I should be aware of, and (b) do you have any suggestions about what I might be able to do to have a higher chance of getting this done? Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 07:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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Fitbit article changes
Steve, I noticed that the Fitbit article you created had a pretty major edit (sections removed) without any prior discussion on the talk page. I was going to revert, but do not have the bandwidth to get in an edit war, not that it's ever fruitful anyway.


 * 21:55, 14 January 2021‎ Jawz101 talk contribs‎ 35,093 bytes −5,078‎  This was not a minor edit. I removed the accuracy and effectiveness sections and moved the recall further down in the article. It felt like filler to describe everything mentioned about a thing. Much of it could be for a discussion on activity trackers in general. The same could be said for running shorts.

I defer to your better judgment. Bobsd (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there! I have recently made a request for an assessment of the article Puppetry of the Penis on WikiProject Theatre. I have been editing this article for over a month, adding almost 3000 words, new sections, an infobox, media and more references for verifiability. I noticed you were a very active (and helpful) editor of WikiProject Theatre, and was wondering if you had the time if you could have a look at the article and provide me any feedback. Any general feedback would be much appreciated and possibly an assessment of the article for importance and quality. Thank you very much. Rubyredgirl (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I can take a look this weekend! Steven Walling &bull; talk   15:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Steven Walling, thank you for taking the time to reply! The article has been assessed and some very helpful feedback was provided by other editors, but of course any suggestions for improvement from you would be greatly appreciated. No rush at all, I am grateful for your time. Have a lovely day! Rubyredgirl (talk) 02:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you! Very kind. Steven Walling &bull; talk   19:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * Hey Steven, good to see you around. Montanabw (talk) 15:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah this year I've been gnoming on some stubs again. Steven Walling &bull; talk   17:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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 Wishing Steven Walling a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee!   Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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Your signature
Hello, I've noticed that your signature is using the html5 obsolete tags. Would you be willing to change it to for the same look, but without the Lint errors?

This: Steven Walling &bull; talk   gives you the visually identical: Steven Walling &bull;  talk

Thanks and have a great weekend, Zinnober9 (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah definitely. Thanks for the note! Steven Walling &bull; talk   18:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Done! Let me know if there are any linter errors though. Steven Walling &bull; talk  17:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No errors that I see. Thanks! I've adjusted your past signatures on this page to your current, so this page is now lint free. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Extension of Protection
Kindly, can the page Egyptians gets autoconfirmed access-only users like many big pages, since once the temporarily protection ends, IPs come and re-corrupt the page. Thank you. Fragrant Peony (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Just the one set of recent IP edits was a content disagreement, not vandalism, so unless volume of spam or vandalism picks up more the right move is to leave it open, since we don't apply protection preemptively. Steven Walling &bull; talk  17:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. They actually took massive content from Britannica [while removing/changing original words], and kept corrupting the page even though the source accompanied says otherwise. The main issue here is plagiarism too, this isn't the first time, so if the page is kept edited by autoconfirmed and experienced users that would indeed help. Fragrant Peony (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2022 Oregon ballot measures


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 * Given that in my edit summary when creating this I specifically said I was about to create articles for this category and it’s obviously a type of common elections category, was this really necessary? It hasn’t even been one day. This kind of useless bureaucratic nonsense is what drives editors away from the project. Steven Walling &bull;  talk  01:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * FYI, User:Marah Gh 90 has been blocked as a sock of a persistent, forum-shopping LTA. OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not surprised given that they sent me email spam asking me to create an article. Thanks for the heads up! <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  15:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Delosperma lehmannii
Hey, why did you remove the category "succulent plants" from Delosperma lehmannii? It is a succulent, and the citation from Kew says so specifically. Am I misunderstanding the definition of "succulent"? User:Jonwilliamsl(talk|contribs) 16:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pinging me. Including the individual species article isn't necessary / is duplicative, because the root genus (Delosperma) and the overall family Category:Aizoaceae is already included. There are thousands of succulent plant species, so the category is much easier to browse if we tag the root genera and family in cases where 100% of them are succulents. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  16:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Thanks :) User:Jonwilliamsl(talk|contribs) 16:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thanks for asking. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  17:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Darwin Del Fabro
Hello @Steven Walling I recently created Draft:Darwin Del Fabro, about a queer Brazilian actor and was hoping that you or another member of WP:Theatre would be kind enough to take a look and let me know how it could be improved. Or, if it looks ok, to move it to the mainspace. Thank you in advance for your help and consideration Volcom95 (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC) Volcom95 (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi! This article generally looks fine, but I don't have time to review it in detail right now. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  20:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. Could you move it to the mainspace? I'm not comfortable doing that myself. Volcom95 (talk) 18:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * Good to hear from you! Also great to see you're still editing as well. I definitely took a break for a few years but 2022 and hopefully 2023 to has had more time for article writing. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  04:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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This editor seems to be cherry picking facts based on personal bias and personal interpretations, cherry picking sources based on personal views. Newb here just learning wiki, trying to share facts. Editor has expressed disdain for “cyclists” and “Los Angeles” and the publication “Bicycling Magazine”.

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 * You added a bunch of citations and references about a certain individual, watered down the language used by the sources, and then when I edited one of these items to make it more encylopedic, I immediately got a request on LinkedIn to connect to the person who is the subject of the references you added. How stupid do you think Wikipedia editors are? Please refrain from editing things about which you have a conflict of interest. This can and will result in being blocked from editing. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  23:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:OUTING strange motivation, sounds like attempted outing. Why not just tell a wiki newb “hey don’t post so much about one topic it comes across as spammy” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?redirect=no&title=Wikipedia:OUTING Baudrillard6969 (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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If you had read the talk page or history, you would have seen that us regulars had been dealing with promotional issues with this fringe group and had to focus on activities that had independent sources for WP:DUE to filter out those issues. That dispute led to reverts that we finally got mostly under control. The reason for RFPP was because an IP that appeared to be a logged out account was the only one continuing edit warring without using the talk. Instead of deescalating with semi-protection, we're now in a position where full protection may be justified after your edit. I alluded to this at the above ANI about you, but please take more care about making situations worse and in this case creating extra work for us volunteers trying to keep persistent edit warring behavior at least somewhat contained. KoA (talk) 05:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You brought a good faith content dispute to RFPP which is most definitely not a candidate for protection. I saw that and jumped in after you posted the obviously wrong request for protection application. You need to rethink the level of lecturing you're doing here. Edit wars sometimes merit full protection, and in this case no admin would do so, given that there's an active and completely normal Talk page discussion already underway. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  05:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dan Sevastopol (13:03, 21 August 2023)
Hi Steven,

Thanks for offering to be my mentor! I am very new to Wikipedia so I appreciate your taking the time out.

I've suggested an article for deletion because it's about a person who really isn't noteworthy. I don't really have a personal interest in the matter except that the article references people I do know.

Another user has said that deletion of the article ought to be discussed on the "Articles for Deletion" forum. I don't know how to do this. Can you help me move this forward?

Best,

Dan --Dan Sevastopol (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can show you how to nominate something at Articles for Deletion. It's not super easy to understand, but there is a guide to nominating a page. Basically what you're doing is putting a tag on the article, which leads to a deletion discussion page. There will then be a week minimum for editors to discuss. If the template process is too daunting just let me know and we can screenshare. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk  17:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * The argument made there is completely and totally ridiculous to the degree that it's either total ignorance of sourcing standards or made disingenuously. The nominator is not a new editor to say the least and should know the policies they are citing, which means pleading total ignorance of what constitutes a reliable source is not even remotely convincing. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull;  talk  17:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I was watching the Tines AfD, not really wanting to weigh in, but I clicked through to your profile after seeing you were taking such a beating.
 * There's a firmly held view, among the relatively small number of editors who make a habit of participating in corporation/organization deletions, that the "I" in SIRS means that only facts derived independently of any information from the article subject qualify for the purposes of notability. So a journalist can collect a hundred data points of information published by the company in press releases, interviews, earnings releases, etc. and synthesize it into a critique of the company, and it won't count for notability because the information itself isn't "independent content". Instead, so the logic goes, you have to first excise all of those tainted facts and then see if what's left of the article talks about the company in sufficient depth.
 * I have said, and I will continue to say (possibly to my peril), this is not a logical reading of NCORP/ORGIND but I am picking my battles. Some cats have claws.
 * When I looked at this AfD, I checked out some of the sources and it seemed to be more or less a lost cause for that reason. I don't think it should be deleted, because common sense says it's notable, but it's a close call. Oblivy (talk) 05:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks for the note. That interpretation of SIRS makes no sense whatsoever to me. News organizations, book publishers, and journal peer reviews all have fact checking and editors whose function is to review work and challenge poor sourcing. Just because a news article or book direct quotes a source a few times doesn't mean the entire piece isn't reliable. If the New York Times quotes someone, it's still useful and verifiable material for referencing depending on what facts you're trying to add a citation for. This is why verification is a policy and notability is just a guideline where common sense should be applied. <span style="font-family:Linux Libertine, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull;  talk  14:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It comes from the part of WP:ORGIND that uses the term "independent content". I can see a valid concern that journalists may be uncritically shoveling information provided by an executive or PR rep into articles - it happens - but that puts a pretty low opinion on journalists, editors, and outlets like the NYT. There is a modest proposal brewing over at the talk page for NCORP to add language saying non-independent sources don't include "earned media" but I'm not sure if it will fly. Oblivy (talk) 00:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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