User talk:Tamzin/Archive/12

Hello again
Please see here. Infinity Knight (talk) 19:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Welp, that's one for the userboxes.
I can now say I was "blocked" by an IP. Thanks for that revert, and happy trails. I like Astatine (Talk to me) 18:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

SPI question
I've noticed some very odd behaviour by a user that really only makes sense to me as "sockpuppeteer forgot what account they were logged into while editing". I don't have any other account to link them to, so it's my understanding that I'm not supposed to open an SPI about it. What am I supposed to do? -- asilvering (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Asilvering: Well you can post it here and I can take a look. Or you can email me if you think it will be sensitive. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 20:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's this user: . The strange behaviour is draftifying an article after it was accepted by an AfC reviewer - the first edits this user has ever made in mainspace. Previously, there's a hiatus for a few months, before which they worked on something completely unrelated. -- asilvering (talk) 20:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , there is a very unusual editing pattern going on, and really not looking like a new user, but I don't see anything more definite than that. Tamzin may be able to offer something more helpful, but at present the best I can say is that it may be worth watching the account for a while. JBW (talk) 21:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JBW I assume that it's gone dormant again and will be for some time. -- asilvering (talk) 00:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The only sock I recall doing similar draftification to that was MRY (see Special:Contributions/VladimirBoys), but the other editing doesn't seem to line up. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 21:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Restriction
If you want to impose me a restriction of no more than 500 / 1000 / 2000 words per Anthroposophical topic, I would agree. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Tomafahe bot
gah -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ikr? -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 22:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Prusiner
Per your request after our discussion, a reminder of the Prusiner issue. Thanks. DS (talk) 16:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't sure about asking for rev/del on some of those. Knitsey (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Knitsey: Think I've gotten everything that meets RD2. If I missed anything, feel free to email. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 22:30, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You've got it me lovely, thank you. Knitsey (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, and are any talkpage-watchers familiar enough wiht Evlekis to tell if Special:PageHistory/Norm Macdonald is self-edit-warring? The content almost certainly meets WP:DUE, although someone might need to find better sources than are currently used. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 22:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry to jump in, but what LTA are they? Seawolf35 (talk - email) 22:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The account is Evlekis. The others I'd be inclined to lean a bit negative at this time, though I can't really say any more than that. I can tell you that Evlekis doesn't edit from the US. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, zzuuzz. The British IP is a mess of vandalism and BLPvio since February, which has seemingly slipped through the cracks owing to the dynamicness of the /64. So I've blocked 6mo, without finding as to whether they're Evlekis. No action on the American IP. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 23:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Looking for advice re: Iraq war article
Hi Tamzin, (or any talk page watchers!) I was hoping I could get some advice on how to proceed. In the Iraq war article, you may recall the now-indeffed Ali36800p was stonewalling against changes to the infobox. Since then, it seems to me that a consensus has developed on the talk page, but some IPs have been edit warring it back. My question has three parts. Thanks in advance; I want to avoid wasting community time, and I figure getting good advice instead of getting near 3RR is a smarter way to do that! EducatedRedneck (talk) 12:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Is my read of that as consensus reasonable? One other editor indicated so, but I'm also aware that two does not a quorum make. If I'm mistaken or in a gray area, would an RFC be an acceptable way to help generate a firm consensus (one way or the other)?
 * 2) If my read is correct, what's the most appropriate way to enforce that consensus on the article page? I'm up to two reverts already, and too new to want to do a third revert. The options I've considered are ANI, request for page protection, and SPI. (See below.)
 * 3) The third and final wrinkle is that I suspect these IPs to be socks or meatpuppets of Ali36800p. First, these IPs geolocate to the same locations as the suspected socks/meats/joe-jobs just prior to their indef. Second, their first ever edits were to the same interest areas as Ali36800p, espousing what seem to be the same views. Finally, the timing is interesting, in that Ali was silent for quite some time, and the IPs were not active, but just a couple days after Ali reposted their  (Nov 16) these IPs suddenly came up with the same arguments as Ali. (Nov 18) I haven't yet filed an SPI because I'm not experienced enough to know solid this evidence is, and I don't want to waste clerk time if this isn't anywhere near enough for a WP:DUCK block.
 * After reviewing the protection log, I'd suggest that Iraq War deserves indefinite semiprotection. EdJohnston (talk) 17:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, EdJohnston! I've put in a request at RFPP; I hadn't even thought of that, and appreciate the guidance! EducatedRedneck (talk) 18:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

1997 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade
You can almost call it a Thanksgiving Day Disaster. Scorpions1325 (talk) 05:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Sock question
Tamzin, I was pinged by (don't know why they picked me) to review the edits of. I did spend some time doing that, not exactly sure why but... I ended up blocking Indic as a sock, but, at the same time, I wondered if Hassan is the same person as. Because you blocked Aryan on November 6, I figured you would be more familiar with Aryan and might want to compare the two. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23: A tale of two boomerangs, eh? Well, on behavioral evidence I don't think Hassan is Aryan330. But the Mughal–Maratha topic area is crawling with POV-pushers and sox, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if they're someone (hint, hint, TPW CUs). is the other partisan from that POV who was involved in the sprawling AE thread, and I'd call that behaviorally inconclusive. Abecedare is sadly inactive at the moment; maybe Z1720 has some insight. Either way, I'll ECP Maratha invasion of Deccan (1739) and drop Hassan a CTOP alert. --  Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 18:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking out the behavior, and your other actions sound good. Me, It's late morning, and I've been up for way too long and already expended the energy I have for the hard stuff. Happy Thanksgiving!--Bbb23 (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone, weighing in because I was pinged and I did a quick skim of their contributions: while there are similarities in topic areas and POV perspectives, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that they are the same person. However, I would keep an eye on their contributions to ensure they are not pushing an inappropriate POV. Z1720 (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

ec question
If an editor gained extended-confirmed largely through violations of the EC restriction, would that be grounds for revoking or not?  nableezy  - 13:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, @Nableezy, sorry, totally missed this. Fact-bound question, would probably come down to levels of AGF. Got an example? -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 04:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ping or noping?  nableezy  - 15:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Screw it, since it now includes edit-warring against previously established consensus at Washington Institute for Near East Policy and my AGF meter is trying its best to buy it but I dont: : <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 17:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nearly all of their edits on Oct 30, excepting the first 2, 223 in sum, were adding similar edits to this to US congresspeople's biographies.
 * Along with another 68 edits robotically adding a Biden score on November 15 (non-ARBPIA but robotic and thoughtless).


 * I have a resolution in mind on the EC-gaming side, but let me look into something first. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 20:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked indefinitely. Definitely someone's sock, and the normal "Oh maybe it's a CLEANSTART" doesn't apply when the account immediately leaps into hundreds of policy violations. Gun to my head, if I had to guess a master I'd say NoCal100, but that's not a very confident guess. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 23:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Doesnt feel like NoCal to me, theres a word that I use to describe the vibe I get reading NoCal's writing that I cant use around polite company, and I just did not get that vibe here. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Golden
Hello Tamzin. Do Golden's edits in the Shamakhi and Armenians in Shamakhi articles violate the topic ban for conflicts involving Armenia or Azerbaijan, broadly construed? Armenians had a significant population in Shamakhi until the First Nagorno-Karabakh War, so the articles are related to conflict. Golden removed sources that stated Shamakhi "is predominantly populated by Armenians" (Hakluyt) and removed any mention of Armenians having even been the majority. And judging by the edit summary (“strangers” likely refers to Turks) these edits seem to consist of original research. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sigh. Resolved. Thanks for letting me know. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 05:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Google
If you google "trans" the top of the page is a summary of the lead of the Transgender wikipedia page. But today it says:
 * ‹ The template Infobox gender and sexual identity is being considered for deletion. › A transgender person (often shortened to trans) is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Is there any way to make that template notice something that Google ignores the way it ignores "A B-class article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" and the hatnote "Not to be confused with Transsexual." -- Colin°Talk 10:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I'm not sure, @Colin. @Pppery might know? If not, maybe a good WP:VPT question. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 15:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've done this, which may or may not help. If not it's beyond me, although that TfD will close soon anyway rendering this moot. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It will? It's tied on the numbers, with the latest !vote adding new arguments. Either way, thanks. Guess we'll see if that change works. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 15:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

New message from Red-tailed hawk
— Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 15:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, if you don't agree with my argument there, would you please just make the topic ban "Armenians, broadly construed"? Golden has a large collection of GAs about Azeri poets (Yusuf Meddah, Kishvari, Mirza Shafi Vazeh, Imadaddin Nasimi, etc.) and an FA in that same topic area (Fuzuli (poet)). If the concern is ethnic conflict POV-pushing, it might be wiser to just ban him from Armenians, and let him make edits about Azeri poets and the like. I feel like this will make it a lot easier, and will serve a more narrowly tailored preventative purpose than banning him from all Azerbaijan. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 15:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you've split your message across two pages, but I've responded there. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 16:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

AN
I want to be clear that my meltdown at WP:AN had nothing to do with anything you did. I do not think you are a bigot at all. In fact, I once saw you sticking up for an editor who associates with a denomination of Christianity (Evangelical) who genuinely don't like queer people. I have always believed that if you think Trump is a reliable source of information for anything, I would question your ability to reason on just about anything. Scorpions1325 (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's funny, @Scorpions1325, no one in my RfA ever bothered to ask whether I think Wikipedia has a liberal bias. I do. I think some of that is inevitable (between "reality has a well-known liberal bias" and our duty to match the consensus POV of reliable sources, which often lean left), but often it isn't, just the product of crappy writing by AMPOL regulars. I don't have a solution to it. It does piss me off, though, to see "John Doe is a far-right anti-vaxx transphobic Trump supporter from Idaho who currently serves as the state's attorney general and supports the pseudoscientific belief of intelligent design". We don't write any other class of article that way—not Nazis, not serial killers, not child abusers—and the people who perpetrate this perversion of NPOV should be ashamed of themselves. But again I don't have any solution. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 16:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You hit the nail right on the head. It helps to know that at least some people on the far-left are aware of this. I concede that my side doesn't fact-check as well as they used to. Heck, a Gallup poll from 2003 found that Republicans and Democrats held similar views on global warming. I took an environmental science class in 2020, and I was surprised to see how easy it was to defend a small-government solution to it via a literature review. In 1980, the bias would not have been a problem since the mainstream media was more diverse back then.
 * Ever since I learned who Tucker Carlson was, I have predicted that the biggest political realignment since 1980 will take place in 2028. This could resolve a lot of long-standing societal problems. Scorpions1325 (talk) 16:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation
Hi, if you're interested, I was hoping you might be willing to talk about your experiences here? No pressure but I'd appreciate it. :) Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Appeal restoration
Hi, can you please restore my appeal? It was archived 3rd time. Marcelus (talk) 14:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Marcelus: . I've moved to close. Vive la Wikipédia. -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 18:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Marcelus (talk) 19:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)