User talk:TonyBallioni/Archive 31

Psalms for vespers
Enjoy being out of town. When you return, could you help me to understand why certain psalms became part of vespers, such as Vespro della Beata Vergine? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Hi Tony, user JCC199, CGB17 is back under the name Air7777. He been several time blocked and his history shows that he once again getting involved in edit warring across wiki. Can you please check. Thank you Wappy2008 (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Previous email
Hello, I sent you an email a few days ago, just to confirm if that was read as I might write some misleading text into that email. Thanks.-- Hamish Welcome  02:31, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Re-close
I just realized that I commented in the discussion, so I am involved as well - not as much as Jehochman, but enough to make my re-close controversial, so I self-reverted. Sorry about that. It should still be re-closed by an uninvolved editor. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019
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 * , email seen. I'll try to reply tonight or tomorrow. I've been very busy IRL and have fallen behind on my WP email. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem, please get to it in your own time. There have been a couple of developments since I sent it, I'll send an update for you to consider. Thanks Girth Summit  (blether)  08:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

UTRS 26666
Hi,

Could you please look at this UTRS appeal? You're the blocking administrator and I'd appreciate your opinion :)-- 5 albert square (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , replied in UTRS. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello ,

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
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A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
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User talk:Chris.sherlock
You are involved in the case as you placed one of the blocks. You are in no position to be silencing the user's only avenue for comment, or protecting a fellow admin who has got herself into trouble in her responses to him. Please self-revert, or consider yourself reported. Orderinchaos 02:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That’s not how WP:INVOLVED works. I reviewed the request, determined there was block evasion as a CheckUser, and blocked one of the socks as standard procedure in the unblock decline. I then brought his appeal to AN for community review. I’ve only ever acted as an uninvolved administrator, which was the capacity in which I hatted that discussion. I’m not going to edit war over this, but I’d encourage anyone else to restore the hatting. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:CANVASS and WP:POINT, too. Great. Orderinchaos 03:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don’t think replying to you on my own talk page is canvassing. I consider that to be following WP:ADMINACCT. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Awaiting SPI
Hi, I realise that SPI has been backlogged of late but is there any reasonably way to get someone to move along things at Sockpuppet investigations/Arunkumarnaik? As I stated in my last comment there, has put temporary protection on the article but, knowing the topic area as I do, I'm pretty sure there will be another assault on it when that expires. With that in mind, it would be handy to have a CU record for the current investigation. Do I need to find an active clerk? Is there a list or category somewhere? - Sitush (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Replied there. When more show up, file again and I'll take a look. I'm busier these days than in the past, so on-wiki less, unfortunately, but I'll watchlist it and get around to it when I see it. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

UTRS 26658
Hi,

Would you be able to have a look at this appeal from Kiko4564 please?-- 5 albert square (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2019 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  00:00, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not familiar with Kiko and from what I recall last time it required a lot of behavioural knowledge in addition to the technical stuff. might be able to help better than I could. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:09, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Last time he had been impersonating another LTA and it hasn't been a year since. To me, it nullifies what he is saying in the new request and renders it insincere. He sang the same tune in the last UTRS before he was caught so it doesn't sound believable to me now...he was bald-faced lying while socking. I commented in the UTRS a couple of days ago. I not in favor of unblocking.
 * Thanks both.-- 5 albert square (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Notice of ANI Discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:KMeyer. OhKayeSierra (talk) 09:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

CU required
Could you do a check on User talk:Lusouser. and issue ChechUserBlocks if appropriate. Self admitted block evasion (other accounts or IPs). Currently on a short block for PA. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,, no obvious other accounts at this time, but if they've admitted to block evasion, as they seem to have, you can go ahead and block them without a CU finding. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tony. Did 109.51.62.200 come up? It's a fairly obvious duck. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't comment on IP addresses, but if you are convinced by behaviour, policy allows for you to block. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

ARBCOM
Now that I've seen this, I suspect you could do a pretty good job in that group yourself. Would you consider it? And I know we haven't interacted directly very many times, but I've seen your work. I think you'd be good at it. — Ched (talk) 03:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Nah, I have reasons not to both IRL and on-wiki. But I'll go ahead and nominate each of them brings something different, but each of them are sysops who have my highest respect and who I would trust with private information. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I told Tony the same thing a couple of days ago, and I told him the same thing...but for the record; I've seriously considered. However, one of the things that has frustrated me the most about ARBCOM (not just this iteration) is that when editors raise concerns with PDs and such, there is a certain lack of response (witness my comments here, still unanswered), a lot of which I put down to the committee being flooded with demands on its time and energy. I know for a fact that I cannot supply that level of commitment for several months of the year. I don't think it would be fair, even assuming I could get elected. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , While I do think we do need more ARBCOM members, I still remember TonyBallioni's action's on this page, User_talk:%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%91_%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9F and revoking TPA was I think way overboard. But yet again, someone was blocked for calling out antisemitism. Sounds eerily familiar to the ARBCOM case you're responding to and getting no response from ARBCOM, right? I point you to AE right now, where someone is now there trying to push a fringe viewpoint. When the Polish government puts up a plaque about a concentration camp, Warsaw_concentration_camp and the English language Wikipedia has an article about this hoax for years. We have a problem. It's infuriating so of course people will get upset and it drives people away and then the only people left editing are those pushing the false narrative. ARBCOM's ruling will do that. You're going to end up with a Wikipedia that distorts the Holocaust. And it's the same thing with antisemitism on Wikipedia. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * As you well know, Yanniv wasn't blocked for "calling out antisemitism" but for falsely accusing other editors of anti-semitism and "vandalism". It was a good block.  Volunteer Marek   04:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , no, he was blocked for reverting the preposterous claim that Jews were able to come back after the Holocaust and simply go back to their homes without any trouble from the Poles. To say otherwise is indeed reverting history. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:39, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No, he was not blocked for reverting any claim, he was blocked for using edit summaries which falsely accused other editors of anti-semitism and vandalism (as well as general aggressive behavior). This isn't that hard. The block explanation is pretty clear. And no, in that particular instance he was NOT reverting a "claim that Jews were able to come back after the Holocaust and simply go back to their homes without any trouble from the Poles" because nobody ever made such a clam. This is up there with the "the Polish government put up a plaque" nonsense.  Volunteer Marek   04:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact that you keep changing your story and can't make up your mind regarding whether he was blocked for "calling out anti-semitism" or for "reverting a claim" kind of shows that neither one is true.  Volunteer Marek   04:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, the claim that "the Polish government puts up a plaque about a concentration camp, Warsaw_concentration_camp" is also false. A private individual put it up. On private property. That's the frustrating thing here. Why do you have to embellish and exaggerate?  Volunteer Marek   04:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Hmmm, that's not a bad selection at all. Now that I think about it, Amory is someone I haven't talked to in ages.  IIRC, I was a co-nom for their RfA, but we kind of went our separate ways recently.  The others I'd certainly look at though, and would likely support based on the little I've seen.  Amakuru is likely the least known to me, which likely means they've kept a low profile - but I could be wrong since I was away for so long.  Anyway - I do appreciate you responding Tony, TY. — Ched (talk) 04:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Morning Tony et al, and thank you for suggesting my name in this context - it is definitely an honour for me to be mentioned by yourself as a possible arbitrator, as I know that you're probably more qualified than anyone to fill one of the seats if you actually had the inclination to do so. It's not something I'd rule out, and I can imagine stepping up at some point in future, but like Vanamonde93 I don't think I can reliably promise to be able to put in the necessary hours at this point in time. Family life and IRL commitments make my wiki time somewhat sporadic. There's also a question of whether voters would think I'd spent enough time at the drama boards. I do monitor what's going in in Wiki politics and watch things like the Fram saga with what I hope is a dispassionate and objective eye, but my contributions to those discussions and ANI in general aren't huge at the moment. Whether that's a good or bad thing I don't know! I'll be glad to make your acquaintance as well, but I can see you have good judgement for recommending Tony! Most of my work here at the moment, other than ongoing efforts to expand by content portfolio, is fixing and discussing main page issues at WP:ERRORS, and closing RM discussions and debating the minutiae of article titling with others who inhabit that space. Cheers and a happy weekend to you all.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

32.218.0.0/16 update
The range's new behavior seems to be blanking warning templates on whatever pages in their range they can get ahold of in a slow attempt to whitewash it in anticipation for an unblock eventually, including this one today...and you'll notice two years ago they added 'small x 3' HTML tags to make the warning they got absolutely unreadable. Is there any way to just block all contribs including talk for them?  Nate  • ( chatter ) 23:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, ✅ and reset the block to be a year for today since he's still at it. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks much for doing so.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Talk page protection
See here and here. You might want to clarify if you intended for the talk page to remain indefinitely protected. When I first saw it, although I did thank you for it via WP:Echo, I did find it out of the ordinary. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * yeah, my intent was to leave it as indefinite, knowing it was out of the ordinary. I don't think there has been a single constructive edit to that talk page page by an IP or non-autoconfirmed account in its history, and the current "trend" in Wikipedia libel is to accuse people of being pedophiles. This has started to affect the oversight queue, which I'm pretty sure is how I found the page.As a bit of context, the page has had 10 suppressions in its history. That's more than any page I've seen other than ANI. Three of those suppressions occurred within 2 months before I protected it, so the trend bares on that page. I don't really mind if Swarm still thinks we should give it a chance of being unprotected, but I did want to explain my thinking and note that I was considering the suppression log when I made the protection. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. Pinging Legitimus so that he sees this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Swarm restored the protection. It was after this post by an IP that Swarm previously lifted protection. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, I thought that was a routine talk page protection that you had forgotten about, since, obviously, we don't normally ever do long term talk protections like this. Now that you mention it, though, I can see why that page would have an inherent, irreconcilable BLP problem warranting an exceptional protection. Regards, ~Swarm~  {sting} 15:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Heads Up - Suspected Banned User is Editing Again
Not sure if this is just a coincidence and I'm not familiar with the SPI system but I thought I'd like to bring to your attention about User:Flooded_with_them_hundreds being potentially back in the form of: User:Flooded_with_them_thousands. Thanks. -&#61;Troop&#61;- (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * From all the admins and CUs out there, you just had to ask this moron. Flooded with them thousands (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * . TonyBallioni (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, what a jerk., the problem is handled. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * He's using proxies, but it matches in other ways and just blocked one of his socks a few days ago, so the timing is right. I've global locks for both of the accounts on SRG. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks TonyBallioni,, and . If you are still able, please update CU wiki. Cheers, Mkdw  talk 17:04, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ TonyBallioni (talk) 17:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

IPBE renewal
Hi, I am an editor located in mainland China where Wikipedia is blocked. I need to use proxy IP to edit English Wiki. Through the help from another editor, I got the English Wiki local IPBE from you for 6 months. It is going to expire soon. Could you please renew my IPBE for another 6 months, so that I could continue to edit? Thanks so much! 钉钉 (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi there, How is it going about my English Wiki IPBE renewal? 钉钉 (talk) 04:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 钉钉, sorry for the delay. I am still active here, but my activity will be lower for the next few months because of real life stuff. I've extended your local IPBE for a year. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! 钉钉 (talk) 14:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome message
Hi, I've just received a welcoming message from you and was wondering: why? I've had my profile for two years now, so ″Welcome to Wikipedia″ seems a little late. I'm not mad or anything, just curious. Regards, Yhdwww (talk) 20:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * More than half your edits were today on en.wiki and roughly half of your de.wiki edits are pretty recent. You are pretty new in terms of activity, if not registration. We try to let people know where to look for help, so I left you the message. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

Administrator changes
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Arbitration
 * The 2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
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Sockpuppet
Hey Tony, i need your help with user Air7777, seems that he is sockpuppet of JCC199, CBG17, Aviation999 and many others. He been involved in many edit worrying and blocked few days ago for 24 hours nothing is helping. Can you please check and do what is necessary. Thank you in advance Wappy2008 (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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Page Moving
You Moved The Whatzis Page i was working on. I was About to Move it to DINGBATS (game) as that happens to be the same game. I don't know how to do that, however..Meow! Off to wikiLink! (talk) 20:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,, is handling it from what I can tell. Might be best to talk to her. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:ORG
Hi. I am in the process of changing an article for a Guianan college to a redirect to another page because it is does not meet the criteria for notability per GNG or otherwise. As far as I know, colleges have fallen under the purview of WP:ORG. So, I just recently went to the WP:ORG page and in the intro it states:

The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams.

I believe this is an error or somebody rewrote that and it got past editors who normally watch guideline and policy pages. I know you were involved in editing this page awhile back, which is great and you did a good job. I believe the changes were related to an RFC. In any case, I am wondering if you know anything about the above change. And I am wondering if you know what the rationale was for changing it.

Also I checked out WP:SCHOOLS and for notability it refers to GNG, ORG, and GEO. So there is a discrepancy. I think in the past schools fell under the purview of WP:ORG as well as WP:N (WP:GNG). And I think that was true for a long time. I may as well mention that religions, sects, and sports teams are also organizations and I don't see how these do not fall under the purview of WP:ORG. Regards, ---Steve Quinn (talk) 04:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Proposals regarding AfC & NPP
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Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

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UTRS 27047
Hi,

If you get a minute, would you please be able to have a look at this request on UTRS? Providing the user hasn't replied, it should be under the CU queue. I'm wondering if we can offer IPBE :)-- 5 albert square (talk) 23:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for help
Can you please come back to the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_Nazi_Party and give me a hand? I can no longer deal with BMK 2600:1702:4420:7C80:B5B7:1C72:4EC4:4753 (talk) 07:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Email
Hello. I sent you an email about two weeks ago on Sunday. I was just wondering if you had the chance to take a look at it yet. Of course, I know that you are very busy, so please take your time. The email contains nothing urgent. Thank you. William2001(talk) 13:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Feel free to resend it. I’ve been busy IRL and my Wikipedia email has fallen pretty far behind. I’ll have some free time tonight and try to catch up on it. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have resent the email. Thank you for taking a look at it. William2001(talk) 00:47, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!
OhKayeSierra (talk) 01:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , replied . TonyBallioni (talk) 01:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Unblock request
Dear Tony, I received an off-wiki request for an unblock, for IP 100.15.83.114. It appears to be blocked for 9 months, until next June. I am no longer an admin, so I can neither confirm the block nor un-block. I think that might be a bit excessive. Can you unblock it, and/or ping me, please? Bearian (talk) 17:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. It appears to be part of a TMO block. See Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users. Bearian (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , That IPv4 address is not blocked. If you're asking for a review of an IPv6 block, you need to know the address that's blocked. That aside, if it is a T-Mobile block on a T-Mobile IPv6 address (according to WHOIS), the block and length is justified. The blocked editor can create an account using another internet connection if they'd like to edit using T-Mobile. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 18:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Bearian (talk) 18:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Further to this, for the IPv6 address that is blocked, there is a thread about T-mobile blocks at AN. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 21:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Helping a traveling friend
Good Afternoon Mr. Ballioni

I've writing here on behalf of another to show that yes more than one person is editing from this location. If all my coordination went well you should recieve, observe, or have recieved/observed a seperate message by the user with an account logged in from far enough away that it either verifies this claim, or verifies that we've created a teleportor.

Likely this kind of coordination is dissallowed by policy, but I'm ignoring it in this instance.

That said I accept full responsibility for this entire series of edits, it was my idea, and if consequences are warranted for me then so be it.

I plan on resuming edits from the nicest desktop here, because it's more convenient, that is, assuming any of this is permitted over here on our end much longer. I'd say it might be hard to tell us apart, but I have difficulty imagining our edits could be confused, as I have previously reviewed the relavent histories.

I've been hanging out over at 71.62.176.00/24 while using a differrent device as a courtesy, and I disclose this in case for some reason you feel that need to trace my history, but even I do not know the full number of addresses from which I have edited over the past several months.

It's impossible for me to absolutely prove that I'm not the director of a bunch of meatpuppets. Please scrutinize the edits if you wish, and decide for yourself whether something is amiss. Also, please note for the record that if my advice were always followed no account would've been created in the first place.

I've also arranged for another user to get on a differrent device down the hall and we're going to try to click the publish button at about the same time, so if all goes well we'll verify that differrent devices on the same network are on differrent IP ranges.

For some reason the user I'm assisting would rather not be obviously and directly associated with us, so you might want to surpress these edits out of an overabundance of caution lest someone notice the linkage, but I'm fine whether or not you chose to do so.

Pingbacks are probably useless, dynamic IPs and all that. So you may or may not get my attention even if you send a message within minutes. But if you must contact me in the future search the new page creation log for new user talk pages created with edit summary of "Info" and you've probably found who your looking for, in fact I adopted this practice a little ways back so I could track my own edits.

Please do not contact me unless you have issues with edits I've made or discussions I've participated in as I'm not at all interested in the social side of Wikipedia, thanks for your understanding.

Best, 2601:5CC:8301:FD00:ACBB:147B:47F6:1D07 (talk) 20:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I'm also commenting because they asked me to help show there are multiple people here. I don't edit much, but I have helped them compose some messages. I don't know what borderline BS they've been up to that caused this trouble. I do know you can expect to see volume drop off dramatically from this location in the near future for the simple unrelated reason that too much time is being spent on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CC:8301:FD00:B20:452F:6C2E:996 (talk) 20:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
I wanted to say thanks for your participation at the desysop RfC, specifically for how candid you've been about your experiences and worries. I think people are too quick to forget that any such process will be used on actual people and not just in the abstract. It's sad to see the examples you've given, but I'm glad that you're willing to challenge the idea that concerns of false accusations are minimal. Perhaps you think differently, but I feel the discussion is going well and that a lot of people are considering opinions they haven't heard before. I'm glad you were so insistent that it be spun out; it's far more productive than the other discussion ever would have been. Also, congrats on being selected as an elections commissioner; you'll do great! Wug·a·po·des​ 03:09, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 '''Wishing TonyBallioni a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes!  PA TH  SL OP U  03:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)'''

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 Happy Adminship Anniversary! Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Diff #4
Hi Tony. I've been reading the Alex Shih thread on AN, and was a little puzzled that you included this diff is the case you were making. I paid pretty close attention to that arb case, and was (if I remember correctly) not the only one to share Alex's frustration about the committee not seeming responsive to what appeared to me to be reasonable questions. I'm not sure I see that comment of Alex's as out-of-bounds, and was wondering why you do. (Commenting here so as not to derail the AN discussion, hope you don't mind.) 28bytes (talk) 21:38, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * My concern is with the pattern: I won’t use ’s phraseology of unworthy, but I do think taking into account Alex’s history on the project when looking at his actions is important. As I said to, in any real world situation, someone who was allowed to exit with dignity, who then took advantage of the grace shown them, and proceeded to constantly try to sow discord within the organization or community that they were a part of would be very quickly be told to leave. This is a basic principle; someone who has once been in a position, even if they no longer has it, does have some credibility with the public, and can do tremendous harm simply by talking.This is not to say that ArbCom should be free from criticism; I have my own of them. Instead it is saying any rational person realizes this and behaves accordingly. While that diff on its own might not be bad, taken as a whole, it shows someone who is only here to pick fights and tear down a community rather than someone who cares about building it up.Tl;dr, I chose it to represent his pattern of trying to create controversy and add gasoline to fires rather than put them out. I could have randomly selected any diff from his last 50 edits and it would have shown the exact same pattern. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:03, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've sometimes toyed with the idea of writing an essay, "Don't be obnoxious, even though there's no rule against it." It's just one of the ways that trying to manage interpersonal interactions by consensus decision fails: there's always a vocal group who will agitate for the right to stir up the community. True enough, some times creative destruction can help with renewing a community, but there's a limit. isaacl (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony. I appreciate the context. 28bytes (talk) 22:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

You have been selected as an election commissioner for 2019's ArbCom election
Greetings! Thank you for volunteering to serve as an election commission for WP:ACE2019. Following the community discussion at Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Electoral Commission, you have been selected as an election commissioner for this year's election. Best of luck! — xaosflux  Talk 00:08, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Tony. Hope you will do your best in the elections for a better Arbcom. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Too large?
I blocked Special:Contribs/2001:8004:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 for a week for what is likely pretty obvious reasons. I know I cast the net very wide but I did it between classes and haven't had a chance to narrow it down to a more suitable field; I know there will be some collateral damage if I keep it as-is and I'd like to minimize it. If you get a chance, could you take a look and see if I can reduce that at all? Primefac (talk) 15:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also pinging who likes this sort of thing. Primefac (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , who likes this sort of thing - HAH!.
 * So, it looks like Special:Contribs/2001:8004:e02:1af:3ca1:6c5c:b0cf:134/35 is the narrowest rangeblock that will cover all edits from the last 30 days in that range. I used https://tools.wmflabs.org/ip-range-calc/ in combination with this query:
 * to get that.
 * Looking at just 'bad' changes in the last 50 edits, per the contribs filter, we're looking at Special:Contribs/2001:8004:c83:1114:7d3f:95aa:9e2a:f97d/35. ( was useful in notepad++ to filter the contribs somewhat to get a list of ips to feed into the tool linked above). Hope some of this helps.  SQL Query me!  04:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, you can copy the text shown at Special:Contributions/2001:8004:c83:1114:7d3f:95aa:9e2a:f97d/35 into blockcalc in a sandbox, then preview to see ranges which cover the active IPs. I saved an example in my sandbox (permalink). Johnuniq (talk) 05:50, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Made the block at the end of a long day, was starting to get cross-eyed attempting to do basically what you described above! Primefac (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking at just 'bad' changes in the last 50 edits, per the contribs filter, we're looking at Special:Contribs/2001:8004:c83:1114:7d3f:95aa:9e2a:f97d/35. ( was useful in notepad++ to filter the contribs somewhat to get a list of ips to feed into the tool linked above). Hope some of this helps.  SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!  04:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, you can copy the text shown at Special:Contributions/2001:8004:c83:1114:7d3f:95aa:9e2a:f97d/35 into blockcalc in a sandbox, then preview to see ranges which cover the active IPs. I saved an example in my sandbox (permalink). Johnuniq (talk) 05:50, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Made the block at the end of a long day, was starting to get cross-eyed attempting to do basically what you described above! Primefac (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Made the block at the end of a long day, was starting to get cross-eyed attempting to do basically what you described above! Primefac (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Awilley and forced BRD advocacy
Is still happening. El_C 04:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Template
I have not a clue why you pasted that template on my user page. Please provide me an examcple (diff) of what you found offensive.Generalized warnings are useless.Oldperson (talk) 14:52, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * TonyBallioni did not find anything offensive. Those templates are called Discretionary sanctions alerts and have been placed on your talk page to alert you that the subjects of biographies of living people and firearms are both under Discretionary sanctions. As the template says, "It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." As for it being a "generalized warning," it's actually a requirement that these standard templates are used unmodified.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I take exception to the claim that it is a generalized warning. If it were it would have been posted on the user page of all the participants in the article. The warning cleary states "If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor." I don't want to discuss them with any other edior, any other editor (including Pawn King, did not plaster that warning on my talk page. Tony should have the courage of his convinctions to explain specificially why he gave me that warning, and not rely on his exalted admin position and talk down to this lowly noob. I deserve to know why I am being warned, sans an explanation I cannot modify my behavior, if that is what is needed. A parent does not wag his finger in a childs face and tell them not to misbehave, when the child does not know what they did wrong. I was a drill instuctor in my past life, when I "iggiged" a trainee I HAD to tell them why they were being "gigged". This is not some classroom where the professor/teacher hands back a paper with a D–, and then walks away. Oldperson (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You are editing in contentious areas. I was alerting you to special rules in these areas. I watch ’ talk and poked around and thought making sure you knew these areas could be contentious and that there were special rules would be for the best. Have a wonderful rest of your day. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:51, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good luck with that one, Tony. Drmies (talk) 00:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

ACB?
Regarding this edit, what is ACB? WP:ACB redirects to Blocking policy, but nothing there actually uses the term. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:38, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Account Creation Blocked. SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!  22:41, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Self request block
Hi there. I am looking for a two week block. This is because I have upcoming circumstances that will require lots of attention (if you would really like to know, I can tell you). I am requesting this block and may be requesting a further block in the future if the circumstances in question continue to require attention after two weeks. If you decide that you will block me, then please let me know and give me time to appropriately mark my user and talk page, then I will confirm that I am ready. Thanks for your time, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 17:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , sure. Just reply here when ready. Note that I'll also revoke TPA during the block as they're meant to be hard breaks from Wikipedia. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * All done. Thanks, see you in two weeks. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 11:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello ,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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But not from Meg —<span style="font-size: 93%; letter-spacing:1.2pt; font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<b style="letter-spacing:1pt;">(talk)</b> 05:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * hello? —<span style="font-size: 93%; letter-spacing:1.2pt; font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<b style="letter-spacing:1pt;">(talk)</b> 22:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I’ll try to check later. I’ve been very busy with work and have ~100 unread emails in my Wikipedia inbox. Sorry :/ TonyBallioni (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

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 * The follow-up RfC to develop that change is now open at Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2).
 * A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

T baloney
--Drmyes deserve to be KNlGHTED or receive SAINTH00D (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Can’t be a saint as he’s not dead. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)