User talk:TonyTheTiger/Archive 48

Millenium Park
Of course I am well aware of the current FAC. I have been busy Tony. But your recent post looks strongly like WP:CANVASSING. As if you are asking me to turn up and support it. I will review the article and post in the next few days, which I was going to do anyway despite your prompting. I don't think Sandy would be too impressed. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 09:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Your userpage takes too long to load
Maybe just some of the tigers on the main and all of them in a subpage?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If I make the images smaller will they load faster?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gave it a shot and tried a newer gallery syntax.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

cup
So wait, why are they giving out Toy Barnstars to the semi-finalists? Is it because it was hardly ever used, or for another reason? Just asking, Abce2 (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Vincent van Gogh
I would appreciate your input here ...Modernist (talk) 22:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1973 Buffalo Bills season
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DYK problem
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:20090120 John Rogers on Jumbotron.JPG
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Smile
I just had to point this out to you: Given the recent history, it made me smile :)  Jujutacular  T · C 05:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration
I'm sort of new to editing wikipedia (couple of months). I'd like to know if you would like some help on some articles of your choice. I'd love to collaborate with you. --Iankap99 (talk) 06:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there isn't anything to be done on the FAC as of yet, i'll help out when there is. Is there anything specific you would like done on the articles? Sourcing perhaps? --Iankap99 (talk) 06:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I only found one mistake on both articles, do you have any other projects?--Iankap99 (talk) 00:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not following what you're asking? What do you want?--Iankap99 (talk) 01:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, now i get it. I know all about FA and FAC. I didn't understand that you wanted me to voice an opinion at the FAC. I'll take a look.--Iankap99 (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Mary Jo
Take a look at your GAN (review page). With a little improvement, you can get it to GA. I see that it was just failed. Normally, people should wait at least a month or so to reapply but with your rapid edits on July 1st, let's proceed! RIPGC (talk) 02:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I am ready to pass the article. However, I ask that you fix the references so that they are all the same format. Many are similar. I think the prose for the congressional career is a bit weak. I am also uncomfortable with the original research like decision to pick and choose which votes she voted for but I want you to get the recognition of a GA so I will not insist.

Please also let me know if I am reviewing the article wrong because it is my first time. RIPGC (talk) 03:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

You missed a few. 88 87 75 74 64? 63 54 41

Is 2 a blog? Who posted it? RIPGC (talk) 04:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Michael Reese Hospital
Found a couple pictures for that article, none are that great though. Thought I'd let you pick to see which you think would be best. — raeky ( talk 15:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Theres also this old postcard, I can't find a date for it though, so I don't think we can use it, maybe under fair use? Would be a good addition even though the quality is low. — raeky ( talk 15:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Couple more postcards and  One shows the addition of the covered walkway over the road, the others don't, we have the date when that addition was added? Would nail down a rough timeframe for the pictures. — raeky ( talk 15:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The first postcard looks old enough, but I can not say for sure.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you nail down the date of the additions, it's clearly before there was any additions to the building so if the additions was old enough that would date it in PD time I suspect... — raeky ( talk 15:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Chicago Pics
If you don't mind I'm going to source a bunch of decent Chicago related images and upload them, not sure about placement, but I'll put them here in this section so you can decide. — raeky ( talk 15:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Captions beyond what the flickr user put would be your department if you find a use for them. — raeky ( talk 15:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1974–75 Buffalo Sabres season
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DYK for 1987 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1984 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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FLC
I've asked you before not to leave FLC reminder comments on my talk page. It's also in my edit notice. I'd appreciate it if you didn't. I watchlist all of the FLCs that I review and will get to them as time permits. &mdash; KV5  •  Talk  •  13:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea. &mdash; KV5  •  Talk  •  00:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet again, I'll ask you not to canvas my talk page. &mdash; KV5  •  Talk  •  23:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't need an apology. What I would like is for you to respect my wishes and not leave messages regarding FLCs. I can't help it that I've been occupied off-wiki and don't have time to deal with an FLC nomination right now. I'll try and get to it today now that I'm back at a computer, but no promises. &mdash; KV5  •  Talk  •  11:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

RfA Nomination
Hi Tony,

I've seen your work and your contributions and I think that the mop would greatly aid your work, before I nominate you I need your consent, when you've replied place a talkback on my page. If I am offline at the time you see this message please ask another member of the community to do so in my place if possible.

Good luck and thanks for all your contributions!

 Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  04:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? You're an invaluable asset to the community. Well I'll respect your wishes. Regards,
 *  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  04:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure you've had some arguments but you haven't had RfArs or anything of that sort that is a consideration factor.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  05:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If it is possible I could add a special request for the crats to ignore any opposes based on what's going on there because that is biased, I'm sure there will be more who will support you than oppose you.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  05:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I really do think more people will vote for than against, I'm fairly certain that biased votes aren't allowed.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  07:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Given your continual contributions I really think that you would be an appropriate RfA candidate, but then again it is your call.  Fridae'§Doom &#124;  Spare your time?  07:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1973 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1976 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1977 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1978 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1979 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1980 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1971 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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DYK for 1972 Oklahoma Sooners football team
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Michigan football seasons
Tony, thanks for reaching out regarding the Michigan football seasons. I had noticed you working on them over the past few days. I created a lot of those articles and I've had them on my watchlist. I'm not sure how much time I'm going to be able to devote to them right now. I really want to stay focused on cleaning up coaching biographies across college football and working on formatting standards, which have been my missions over the past few months. Regarding your recent edits, you are putting too much statistical detail into the leads of the articles. This is good stuff, but it needs to be moved. I'm not sure if you're planning on transitioning a lot of the statistical stuff down into the bodies of the articles, but that definitely needs to happen at some point. I can see putting a really significant record in the lead, maybe like Desmond Howard setting a conference record for TD receptions in 1991 en route to the Heisman, or noting if someone led the Big Ten in rushing, but stuff like team passing efficiency defense should not be in the lead. The phrase "statistical championship", which you use a great deal, also strikes me as a bit awkward and obscure. The leads of the season articles really need to tell us how the team did, who were the key personalities, and how did that year fit into the overall history of Michigan football. 1901 Michigan Wolverines football team, for example, has a lead that is much closer to good articles status. User:Cbl62 had done a lot of great work on the early history of Michigan football. He may be a good person to involve in an effort to beef up the more recent seasons. Thanks again and I will try to pitch in on this stuff. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Tony, I just made some edits on the 1990 to 2007 Michigan football articles. I moved your recently added statistical content from the leads to sections called "Statistical achievements" placed just below the team schedule/results table and any game notes, if present.  I think this works a lot better.  Any really important statistical highlights can be re-worked into the lead.  A couple other small items: (1) Please remember that Michigan QB Todd Collins is Todd Collins (quarterback).  Also, I saw that you've done some work on the "Awards and honors" sections. (2) When noting All-Americans, it probably makes sense to link to that season's College Football All-America Team, e.g. 1990 College Football All-America Team.  Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Good article reassessment/2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season/1
I have nominated this at GAR as the review was cursory and incomplete. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 13:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Gerald Ratner Athletics Center
The article Gerald Ratner Athletics Center you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gerald Ratner Athletics Center for eventual comments about the article. Well done! –– Jezhotwells (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Remy Hamilton
Here are some excerpts from an in-depth profile of Hamilton from May 2005. cite news|author=Chris Foster|title=KICKING AROUND; Avenger Remy Hamilton's Arena success has gotten the NFL's attention, but no takers|newspaper=Los Angeles Times|date=2005-05-29

"Hamilton, 30, has kicked around the Arena league since 1998 and, in an environment that seems to do everything to discourage kicking field goals short of making it illegal to attempt them, he has numbers that rank among the best in the league's 19-year history. This season, Hamilton has 29 field goals, second on the league single-season list, to move into third among all-time leaders with 133. His 1,063 points are also third among kickers in league history. Yet doing all of that in a league in which the goal posts are only nine feet apart, Hamilton has been unable to hook on in the NFL."

In 2005, Avenger Coach Ed Hodgkiss said, "If we had one MVP, it would be Remy."

In the same 2005 article, Hamilton noted that people still remember him for his 1994 42-yard game-winning field goal against 3rd-ranked Notre Dame with 2 seconds left. The LA Times said, "The date of that game rolls off Hamilton's tongue as if it were his telephone number." Hamilton added, "September 10, 1994, and to this day people come up to me after games and yell, 'Go Blue. Great kick against Notre Dame,' That kind of put myself on the map."

Hamilton explained why he believed he was not picked up an NFL team: "I was an All-American, set all the Michigan kicking records and thought for sure that I would get picked up ... I had a small-town agent and he didn't get my name out there much, which might have hurt me. I kind of became anti-NFL, which wasn't the best situation. I thought, 'If they want me, they can come calling.' Now I know that it is an honor to kick in the NFL, a privilege."

In a May 2004 article, the LA Times reported that, less than 15 hours after a 53-52 overtime loss to the Georgia Force at Staples Center, Hamilton's wife, Heather, delivered the couple's first child, a boy named Tate. ((cite news|author=Gary Klen|title=AVENGER REPORT; Hamilton Enjoying Pause in Action|newspaper=Los Angeles Times|date=2004-03-05}}

Cbl62 (talk) 17:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm still working on it. Basically, I thought I'd give you what I find, and you can decide if it's useful. Here's one more.  In April 2006, the LA Times reported that Kicker Remy Hamilton leads AFL kickers with 147 points, including a league-high 23 field goals. ((cite news|author=Lonnie White|title=It Has Turned Into a Season of Growth for Some Avengers|newspaper=Los Angeles Times|date=2006-04-28}} Cbl62 (talk) 17:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That pretty much exhausts the potentially relevant info from LAT on the RH article. I didn't include mentions in game coverage.  Found nothing on breaking the AFL record that you referenced.  As for the web site, I am not familiar with it and can't tell who the publisher is.  Is this an "official" AFL site of some sort?  I can't tell. Cbl62 (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * On related notes, thanks for the comment about Willie Heston. I've been meaning to get to that for a long time.  As one of the 10 most important Wolverine players of all-time, it was a shame that he had such a weak article.  As for working on the team articles from 1990 to present, that's probably not something I'd be inclined to do (with the possible exception of 1997).  I could be persuaded to help out any pretty much any of the national championship seasons or the 1980 season (which was my most memorable). Cbl62 (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK noms
Hi there, I've reviewed a few of your older noms. I passed two of them, and a third one is fine other than the fact that you can't have a redlink, per this (I'll pass it whether you create an article or delink, just drop me a message when you're ready). I didn't review the fourth one in that cluster; I don't like explicitly rejecting hooks, but I personally don't think "played two teams four times" is really interesting enough; in many team sports that is quite common. Regards, WFC (talk) 02:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, I've passed it. I'll leave it to a third editor to decide on the fourth hook. Regards, WFC (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy notification
A discussion concerning you has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Valued picture candidates.  Jujutacular  T · C 04:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

mary jo kilroy
Can you go over it very carefully? There are some areas that could be worded better. One place mentions "Congressional Bill". Bill is a name but bill is a proposed law. Reference 82 is an editorial but people get flak for using editorials since you can always fine one for and one against almost anything. Some sentences are missing a comma.

I am also concerned that you are picking and choosing which votes she voted on. If this is done for other politicians, the length would overwhelm the article.

The choice of topics is odd. Why mention the Sierra Club? Are they more important than the Cincinnati Enquirer? There are many other areas that the article is ok or a little better. Is it good?

Try to improve it. Rather than say she has a short congressional career, why not outline her life then see how the article compares with the outline. How has the local paper covered her? I've asked another user to help. I see that you are in a contest and I want you to win! RIPGC (talk) 06:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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2009 WSOP Bracelet Winners Template
I've noticed that it's not yet in use, and I'm currently wondering what to do with it... Players like Phil Hellmuth would have a lot of categories at the bottom of the page. If you believe it'll still be okay, I'd be happy to help out with creating the rest and adding them. Otherwise, I'd be happy to put up a deletion message, too. What do you think...? JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a little concerned about how a couple of those templates would look, namely the 1972 WSOP which only had one preliminary event. Maybe I could make them all anyway and see how they'd look in the sandbox. Is there a link to the arguments against the use of your template...? JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! I'll give that a shot. The 2000's would have a list of about 300+ names, though... Bah, I'll do it anyway. I'm still a little unfamiliar about permissions to use them or anything, but I'll search for info on that too. Thanks for your help and advice! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 22:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've made the 1970s and 1980s templates; I plan on doing the 1990s and 2000s, also. I might need to use some automatic way of ordering the name alphabetically, because the second template took ages (If you look at the times between the edits, that's pretty much how long it was!) Also, it might be a good idea to separate the templates into multiple-bracelet winners and single-bracelet winners. for the time being, I'll just make them and then see what might need doing. Thanks again! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 02:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, uh, sure! I'll get right on that after sleep. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 02:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC) I've re-formatted the first two. I chose to keep them alphabetical because it seems the Wikipedia pages have already done that for the most part for the earlier series, which means there's no order to the events. Also, if somebody wins more than one event, it would be awkward to both miss the name out the second time or to put the name twice. ...Anyways! Let me know what you think ^^ JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I love that format! I'll sort that. And the pipe. I'll start on the other two but they'll be progressively edited. Thanks for your help and advice! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Stylized night images
Tony. Remember this picture, which you nominated and it won FP status?

As you probably know, according to this English translation of the German FPC discussion, it was the product of Photoshop “HDR” manipulations to compress an extended dynamic range into a narrower range via the three separate exposures (shown at bottom).

I mention this because some editors, such as Dschwen and Alchemist, objected at the FPC to the “Chicago River at night” photo for being gimmicky or “kitsch”. Dschwen also conjectured that HDR (multiple shots at different exposures) were used for the Chicago River shot. That’s a surprising reaction since both Dschwen and Alchemist were over at the German version of FPC, (English translation, scroll towards the bottom), where they seemed to support the HDR-based Chicago Transit Authority picture.

I mention this bit about HDR-based dynamic range manipulation because it can illustrate—by way of comparison—that something that appears to simply be a time exposure to bring out dark detail is clearly a far less “invasive” technique. You might be able to finesse such an argument the next time around on the Chicago River picture; that is, *if* there is a “next time,” because I’ll leave that entirely up to you.

As for me, I have a 2560 × 1440 wallpaper of this now on my iMac. I’ll probably have it there for a week before I tire of it. Greg L (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

E. Normus Johnson
Let's do this instead. I'll move it to a user subpage of yours (User:TonyTheTiger\E. Normus Johnson and then you can work on it. If it's moved back, we'll do a history merge.  That's the cleanest way.  If that's cool, I'll move it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Wrong slash. At User:TonyTheTiger/E. Normus Johnson now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1983–84 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
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DYK for 1984–85 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
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DYK for 1988–89 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
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Re: Image
On the contrary, removing an image that is not a good illustration for the article that it is in would only be foolish if we were producing a photo album. As we are producing an encyclopedia the value of an image as an illustration of the text should take precedence over prettiness. —Jeremy (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1987–88 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
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Re: Map
I used to do some work over at OSM—in fact there might still be some of my work on that map :-) . No objection to adding it, especially if you can highlight the bridge somehow. I also notice that the map now includes the old C&E line crossing the river north of Kinzie Street and the Northwestern Elevated terminal branching from the 'L' at Merchandise Mart—both are OK, but as far as I know there is nothing left of either, so it might be worth deleting them to avoid confusion. —Jeremy (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. BTW, I'm going to look for some references for Wolf Point—IIRC the historical Wolf Point was on the west bank of the river, but it was dredged away. —Jeremy (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've done some more reading and I was wrong. Wolf Point would be better described as the junction of the north and south branches of the Chicago RIver, and the settlement that formed around it. A.T. Andreas (1884) has:

"These three hotels, connected only by a primitive ferry, with a few scattering buildings on the West Side, made the only pretense of a village at Chicago in 1830, and was known as 'The Forks' and as Wolf Point. The origin of the name is buried in oblivion. Mrs. Juliette A. Kinzie, authoress of 'Waubun,' came here in the winter of 1831, and, at that early day discussed the origin of the name as shrouded in mystery, then too old to be traced to its genesis. She states that at that time (1831) it was known as Wolf Point, and suggested some quite plausible origins for the name: among others, that it was the former residence of an Indian chief, whose name, translated into English, means 'Wolf.' The value of Mrs. Kinzie's testimony lies, not in her fanciful legend, but in the historic fact that at that time the land lying about 'the forks' was known as ' Wolf Point,' and that the origin of the name was at that early day not known."


 * I.D. Guyer (1862) says 'The junction of the two rivers was called "Wolf Point"', and Libby Hill (2000) says 'The year the canal opened, the canal trustees began work on a "commodious" turning basin at Wolf Point, the confluence of the North and South Branches.' The article as you have written it focusses on the parcel of land to the north of the confluence of the branches, do you have any objection to expanding its scope to the sense described by these authors? Thanks, —Jeremy (talk) 22:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes and no. I think it possible to say that a common modern usage Wolf Point is the area that you describe—and that is what I was told when I first came to Chicago too. But the Libby Hill book I linked to above is from 2000, then there's this from the Encyclopedia of Chicago (2004): 'The first three taverns, Caldwell's Tavern (built by James Kinzie), the Miller House, and Mark Beaubien's tavern, soon known as the Sauganash Hotel, arose at Wolf's Point at the fork of the Chicago River during 1829 and 1830.'—Caldwell's was on the west bank, the Miller House on the north bank, and Beaubien's on the south bank. Also from the Encyclopedia of Chicago is this: 'Wacker Drive can be seen as it follows the south shore of the main branch before turning south at Wolf Point'. So modern 'academic' usage would still seem to use Wolf Point to mean the confluence of the branches of the river. —Jeremy (talk) 05:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1989–90 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
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DYK for 1978–79 Oklahoma Sooners men's basketball team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Remy Hamilton
Hello! Your submission of Remy Hamilton at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:VPC
Is your goal to try to get that project marked historical and shut down? I think, at least that is mine and a few others opinion, that by flooding it with nominations since it's SOOO low traffic as it is, it becomes an daunting challenge to any new person and they just don't participate with so many images to review. I would kindly ask you to limit your nominations to VPC to maybe 10 active at a time... You already have probably around 30 active now, and noone is even bothering to vote anymore on any of them. I fear that your actions have probably already doomed it to be deleted. If you note it _barely_ scraped through the last MfD which was right before the last wikicup started. — <i style="color:#6600FF;">raeky</i> ( talk 00:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Millennium Park FAC
When I looked at Millennium Park I thought it needed a copyedit, which I have not had time to do. I could probably do one this weekend, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I would ask Sandy if it can be restarted, I have no idea how that usually works. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at the main Millennium Park article - since there is a two week wait before resubmitting to FAC, and I have a fair amount of other stuff on my plate, I may take a week before starting the copyedit. Any reason why Exelon Pavilions could not be a FA? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * For whatever reasons, I am more comfortable editing articles about physical things, so the Exelon Pavilions seemed like a possibility to me (and were more attractive to me than the festival). I think the park itself should definitely be a FA, and the gardens and pavilions seem like other possibilities to me (the festival too, I just am less inclined to work on that as an article as it is not a building or an object). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wolf Point
I'm assuming that the bridge visible in the picture is the second railroad bridge that was taken down in 1898. I had thought about adding it to the history section of the Kinzie Street Bridge article, but I'd like to expand and reformat the article first as it already has a lot of images. There are a lot of scans online of paintings of Wolf Point in the 1830s—unfortunately all the scans that I've found so far are of fairly poor quality, also so far as I can work out none of the paintings were done by people who actually saw wolf point in the 1830s, so they are all a bit fanciful. —Jeremy (talk) 23:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

ArticleHistory
Additions such as this are unnecessary; the template already has a parameter for TFA appearances. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I guess that's fine. If you could make a notice on WT:FA or somewhere else that you are doing this that would be great. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, you may be interested in User:Dr pda/articlehistory.js. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What does it do?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It makes retrieving the oldid much easier. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1990 Michigan Wolverines football team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1994 Michigan Wolverines football team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1995 Michigan Wolverines football team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1996 Michigan Wolverines football team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1997 Michigan Wolverines football team
-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Why all the references for the 2010 All-America page?
Tony - I was looking at the 2010 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans page and see you've got it up to 55 references - why so many? Each of the teams are announced in one press release and this seems a little excessive. I don't see why there would be more than 6-7 tops. At the end of the day I guess it doesn't matter - just not that interested in keeping up this precedent going forward as I don't really see the value. Rikster2 (talk) 18:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Antoine Ouilmette
Whilst researching Wolf Point I was surprised to discover that we didn't have an article on Antoine Ouilmette. I have now started one, but I was wondering—do you know why it is John Kinzie and not Ouilmette who is known as Chicago's first permanent white settler? As far as I can tell Ouilmette arrived in Chicago before Kinzie, and lived here for longer. —Jeremy (talk) 01:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

1998 tiebreaker game article
Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it. –BuickCenturyDriver 02:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1998 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 2000 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 2001 Michigan Wolverines football team
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Re: More Chicago origins
Hows this? File:Thompson Chicago plat 1830.jpg —Jeremy (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW… notice how the west bank of the river juts out just north of the word water in West Water? I think that this is the geographic feature that was originally called Wolf Point. —Jeremy (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just screen captured from the book, with as minimal as possible alterations. I turned it because the block numbers and the legend at the bottom make it look to me that that was the way it was intended to be viewed. Interestingly, the copy in the A.T. Andreas book does not appear to be a faithful reproduction of the original, which is the other way around and has north marked. I think that if I were to add a direction indicator it would look strange, unless we could find one that is similar in style to the map. Alternatively, I could turn it back so that it is as it appears in the book, or we could just add (right is north) or something similar to the caption wherever the image is used.—Jeremy (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Remy Hamilton
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DYK for 1999 Michigan Wolverines football team
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Question For You
I am considering making a page for Lewis Stephens, founder of Stephens City, Virginia to go along with the town page. I am finding alot of good information (in the form Google Books) on the founding of the town (which could be used for both pages) but only finding some information on Lewis himself in the form of genealogy sites like genealogy.com and ancestry.com. My question, would these sites, especially ones that people make themselves, be reliable sources? Since some are made by people and not, say an author, they are themselves original research is what I am thinking. I just want to make sure I am correct or incorrect (perferably incorrect) in that assumption before starting in this venture. What do you think? Thanks...<small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 07:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn. That might be the article in jeopardy.  There aren't many places (if any) I have to reference his birth and death but those, which puts the weight of the article on Stephens City and that could all be merged.  Oh well.  Thanks for your help. :) - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 07:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Garrett Rivas
I made a slight adustment to your DYK for Garrett Rivas, adding "placekicker". Please check it over, it is verified but I wanted to let you know.--NortyNort (talk) 10:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1991 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 1992 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 1993 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 2002 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for 2004 Michigan Wolverines football team
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Idea
Tony, I couldn't help noticing your excellent work and your tireless work ethic. I thought you might be interested in an easy DYK and FL on Michigan Basketball (since you seem to be racking those up quickly). Might I suggest you create a List of Michigan Wolverine men's head basketball coaches. There are a ton of these lists for college football, but only a few for college basketball. You can model it off of List of North Carolina Tar Heels men's head basketball coaches or one of the other FLs for these types of lists. It's pretty easy (comparatively) to get this to FL status, and it deals with your love of the Wolverines. Anyway, just thought I would pass this idea on to you. Remember (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh the WikiCup. That explains the crazy amount of contributions.  I was knocked out after the first round, which is probably for the best since there is no way I could keep up with you or the other prodigious editors.  Anyway, I think the lists of college basketball head coaches would be pretty easy for FL status and there are a ton of them that need to get done so if your other strategies don't work, feel free to check those out. Remember (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Kinzie Street railroad bridge
Hi Tony. I've done some work on the Kinzie Street railroad bridge article, expanding it and fitting in the images that you recommended. I'm thinking of nominating it for GA—do you think that it needs anything else before I do this? Thanks, —Jeremy (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. —Jeremy (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 2003 Michigan Wolverines football team
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DYK for Garrett Rivas
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tony
We damn near crashed at Fountain of Time but I think it's okay. And I am quite sure that you are correct about Taft dying while working on the Fountain of Creation. It (as I recall) kept getting bigger and bigger and there was no firm commission for it. Nice to see you again. EInar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I left a message at the discussion page of the fountain.  Is that okay, or should I go to that other page too? Carptrash (talk) 23:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 350 West Mart Center
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Illustrating articles
You might be interested in the Burnham Plan and might like this one. --Elekhh (talk) 02:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wolf Point
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Millennium Park articles
Hi Tony, I understand your sense of urgency. I have a lot going on in real life, which leaves me less time to spend on Wikipedia than I often have. I try to keep up with the peer review backlog, which takes a lot of time and never runs out. Dincher and I have been working since April 5 to get Ricketts Glen State Park to FA status (in a sandbox) and that is my first priority right now. I will do what I can to get the main park article ready by July 30th for FAC. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

PING
Tony, I've emailed, hoping you're online. Tony  (talk)  04:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Paul White
I started an article about him earlier this year. He went on to play with the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's not much more than a stub now, but it can be found at Paul White (American football). Cbl62 (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Infobox road and street articles
We've been revamping infobox road the last month or so. There is emerging consensus that city street articles should not be using it when there it infobox street. If there are inadequacies of the latter template, feel free to work on it. Infobox road is being purposed and designed more for WP:USRD and other highway project needs, and Infobox street would be more appropriate for WP:USST and city projects needs.  Imzadi  1979   →   01:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sauganash Hotel
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1997 Michigan Wolverines
Nice to hear from you. The Michigan season page is outstanding! You really outdid yourself. This deserves serious consideration for the Featured Article designation. Thank you for the advice regarding the team history guides. This will help immensely. Right now, my focus is on women's hockey and finishing up the previous season (while preparing for the new). When autumn rolls around, my focus should return to college football. Cheers Maple Leaf (talk) 18:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 July newsletter
We are half-way through our penultimate round, and nothing is yet certain. Pool A, currently led by has ended up the more competitive, with three contestants (,  and ) scoring over 500 points already. Pool B is led by, who has also scored well over 500. The top two from each pool, as well as the next four highest scorers regardless of pool, will make it through to our final eight. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

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