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Art Institute
We need permission from The Art Institute of Chicago to have free use of Nighthawks - the image hunters want to delete it from all but two articles. Someone should call the Art Institute from the Chicago project, I can't do it - I am tied up in real life. See the discussion here:, thanks Tony...Modernist (talk) 00:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Discussion here also and below: ...Modernist (talk) 00:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

PSY @ DYK
This does not appear to be true, based on the article, and the reference in the article. Can you verify it? Until it can be verified, I've removed it from the DYK hook. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you archived this yesterday by accident. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gentleman (Psy song)
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Great American Wiknic for Chicago in June
Howdy! I would like to invite you to again join with the local edition of the Great American Wiknic this June :) Also, please add any preliminary details to Wiknic.--Pharos (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Ashtabharya et. al. is worth 9 QPQs. I have used the 1st for Template:Did you know nominations/Of Mice and Men.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Mike Catapano 2nd.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Template:Did you know nominations/The Assembled Parties and Template:Did you know nominations/A Christmas Story, The Musical 3rd and 4th.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * 7-Template:Did you know nominations/Old Nassau.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 8-Template:Did you know nominations/Oxbow (horse).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Dostoyevsky templates
Hey Tony, I responded on the Novels talk page. Thank you for all the work you are doing for curating information to derivative works. The notions that TomCat refers to assumes that we have an elitist academic audience, which seems absurd. Don't be discouraged and keep up the good work! Sadads (talk) 20:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Better source request for File:EMK eulogy of RFK.ogg
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Sandman navbox
Brilliant idea, this Sandman navbox! Thanks :) -- ke4roh (talk) 16:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Please join the discussion
You have been suggested as an editor who works in several sports areas. Please would you look at Talk:List_of_gymnasts and the proposal beneath it, and give a considered view on how best to move the list forward? Please feel free (I know you will anyway) to ask for as many other eyes as you see fit. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually I don't know the sport either, so I'm hoping you'll have a look anyway. You were recommended because you have wide sport article experience, and might bring a multi-sport perspective to a list of (presumably) notable athletes. Obviously I respect your thought that you have little experience in this particular sport. The recommender was simply hoping that a broader experience of articles of this nature might give guidance on format. I arrived in the article in the first place by looking at it while doing something else entirely and thinking the format was simply awful. My sport is couch-sitting ;) Fiddle Faddle (talk) 07:45, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Brushstrokes
I hope this will one day make a great companion piece to the Brushstrokes series and Brushstroke articles! :) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, seeing that the series article is already at Good status, this collection of related articles could result in a Good topic. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Goodnight Mister Tom
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Juwan Howard
Congrats on the FA, Tony. As you may remember, I got worn down by the resistance and gave up long ago. You are one of the more remarkable and successful editors I have met on Wikipedia. I greatly admire your drive and persistence. Finetooth (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to decline the Amaker review. I am still worn down, staying away from FA pursuits and their difficulties. Finetooth (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I couldn't resist doing some minor proofing, however. It's not a PR (nothing related to content, organization, sourcing, etc.), but it can't hurt. I also removed two unneeded citations that a non-registered user recently added. Finetooth (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Of Mice and Men (play)
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DYK for ISteve
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DYK for Disgraced
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Basketball player infobox conversions
Hi Tony - We are at that time (after close of the NCAA season but before the NBA Draft) when we migrate basketball player infoboxes for those who have completed their college eligibility from Template:Infobox NCAA athlete to Template:Infobox basketball biography. I have been converting these and just wanted to check in and see if you wanted me to convert them for the player articles that you created (Trey Burke, Ian Hummer, etc.) or if you wanted to handle it. The conversion is pretty easy, but the one thing that changes is the removal of tournaments, championships (other than national titles) and some awards/honors so these sometimes need to be emphasized in the text. Let me know your preference. I am happy to help, but know that you may want to do this yourself for some articles. Rikster2 (talk) 13:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Tony - if you want to wait til the end of classes but will commit to taking care of it that is fine. I would say that very few people are going to these players' articles as college players anymore with the season over - they are looking at them as potential draft picks/pro players.  I have converted infoboxes for players who have been out of college three years lately and there is no sense in allowing this to happen any longer. Rikster2 (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I will bet you a sum of your choosing that every single one of the 2012-13 college players who have articles play basketball somewhere next year. Bottom line, if the infoboxes for those who have declared for the draft (obvious intent to play pro ball) aren't done right before draft night i will do them just prior.  Also, I have no obligation to weigh in on any wiki discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 22:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not concerned with Albrecht right now - he has 3 years before he is of concern. Horford will play professionally somewhere, bank on it.  The guys whose eligibility is up will all be playing professionally next year.  Bottom line - I will be converting infoboxes.  like I said, I'll leave your created articles alone until the time comes but there is no issue with doing what I am doing.  No one seems to get conerned that we let articles of pro players hang out there with outdated NCAA infoboxes for literally years.  Those who get drafted by the NBA need to be ready for the activity that always comes with the draft - slapping templates on and hastily creating articles of picks with no entries.  Rikster2 (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Templates for creation
Sure i'll check them out. It may take a while since I have a bunch of others I still want to get to and i'm only able to edit on the weekends, but i'll get to them as quickly as I can.--TheMovieBuff (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Chicago PD
I agree that this (and Chicago Fire need to disambiguated, but that is not why I am writing. Could you please take a look at the little edit war I am having with User:CSB radio on that page.  I think it is just silly to use a word that is not in most people's vocabulary when a word that everyone knows would convey the exact same meaning.  He is behaving in an inappropriate way in his edit summaries, too.  Thanks for whatever you feel like doing. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lauren Ward
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Juwan Howard (born 1973) is an American professional basketball player who plays for the Miami Heat of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He signed for the Heat (his eighth NBA team) in 2010, reaching the playoffs for the sixth time and making his first career NBA Finals appearance. Howard won his first NBA championship with Miami the following year. A one-time All-Star and one-time All-NBA power forward, he began his NBA career as the fifth overall pick in the 1994 NBA Draft by the Washington Bullets. Before he was drafted, he starred as an All-American on the Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team. At Michigan he was part of the Fab Five recruiting class of 1991 that twice reached the finals of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Men's Division I Basketball Championship. During his rookie year with the Bullets, he became the first player to graduate on time with his class after leaving college early to play in the NBA. After one season as an All-Rookie player and a second as an All-Star and an All-NBA performer, he became the first NBA player to sign a $100 million contract. He has developed a reputation as a humanitarian for his civic commitment. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


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Need help with template
Hi TonyTheTiger,

This template on Hakka Wikipedia does not look as colourful as the Chinese version, nor its equivalent English version. Can you help us fix this problem?

I do not have a computer programming background, so I am unsure where the source of the coding originates from. My attempts to update the navbox template resulted in a "script error", so I reverted my edit.

You have my permission to enhance the navbox & navbar templates on Hakka Wikipedia to make it in line with either the English or Chinese version. --Hak-kâ-ngìn (talk) 06:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time (play)
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DYK for Mike Catapano
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DYK for Chicago PD
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Matilda
I actually think its a disgrace and amounts to censorship. We can prove they won these awards through either from the award its self or from sources from the individual productions. Your assertion that these are not reliable sources is to me incorrect as primary sources can be considered useful and reliable depending on the claim that they are making. The claim they are making here is not a claim that needs backed up by a secondary sources to avoid original research or a claim that could be considered negative or un factual. You should also note that these awards were taken very seriously by the productions who went all out campaigning both online and through leafleting in playbills. It is not for a very small group of editors to decide how important an award is to a production or in general whether an award is of a certain level, if we can prove exists and can be sourced then it has every right to be included. As i say i consider this to be censorship and if continues should be taken to a site wide request for comment. Blethering  Scot  11:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If we were trying to create an individual article on the Choice awards then we would need third party sources to establish that article, however in a case like this there is no reason whatsoever why a source from say Kinky boots saying it won the award or from the award itself could not be considered reliable. Primary sources should not be used if a secondary source is available, there could be original research or negative and can be considered reliable depending on use. This situation is none of the above so sighting WP:RS isnt really valid. Would be a totally different story on an article purely about Broadway choice not an article about Matilda, Kinky Boots or Pippin. We are not talking about an award from the local church group here, you may consider it a third tier award but I'm fairly sure the productions don't. Blethering   Scot  12:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK for Oxbow (horse)
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Sandman moves
Hello Tony. I was looking at Template talk:Sandman navbox which could be ready to be closed. Seems no reason not to do this move, but a lot of references will need to be fixed up. You are requesting: But this move will have to be done with no redirect, because you immediately want to use the name Template:Sandman for another purpose.
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How about if I do the DC Comics moves first and then wait for the bots (or whatever) to fix everything. Then there would be no more pages linking to Template:Sandman and confusion would not ensue when 'Sandman navbox' is moved to 'Sandman'. Let me know what you advise. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply at User talk:EdJohnston. Besides yourself, only one IP voted in the move discussion. If you consider it a high priority not to disturb existing links, would you agree to omit the move of Template:Sandman navbox from your request? That would make the move easier to do and would accomplish most of the benefits. Then we could do the other two moves while keeping the redirects. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I closed the Sandman move but it will take time to do all the steps. Now waiting overnight to see if a bot will fix up anything listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:The Sandman (DC Comics). I haven't started working on the navbox, since all the old transclusions first have to get changed to .  EdJohnston (talk) 02:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I finished the move. See this Whatlinkshere for the articles that still need updating. At present they still transclude Sandman navbox which is a redirect to Sandman. If you want to update these yourself and eliminate the redirect, go ahead. Otherwise I assume a bot will fix them in due course. EdJohnston (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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Just wondering why you used several templates to create a template, while everything could be done in just one template. Can you explain that? The Banner talk 19:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Hi TonyTheTiger. I've thought long and hard about this, and I think coming to your talk page may be the best thing to do. In short, I want to kindly request you to self-revert your removal of the navboxes that you did two days ago, and to let matters rest there until the RFC is resolved. Then, we can either include them or omit them, based entirely on the outcome of the RFC. If the RFC closes as no consensus, we'll need to discuss their inclusion or omission on the Dostoyevsky talk page. If you agree to do this, it would be a great help if you could place a note at Talk:Fyodor Dostoyevsky explaining it.

The reason for making this request is that your action, and the current state of that talk page thread, threaten to turn this into a battleground, which I'm sure we'd all like to avoid. Apart from the PA and the threat, the title of the thread itself is unhelpful, because it will intimidate other editors who may wish to remove the navboxes. It is particularly unfortunate that the GAN reviewer sees the situation as calling the article's stability into question. And the thread's title may also not reflect well on you, given that you have already reverted Tomcat7's removal of the navboxes twice on 2 May 2013.

Kind regards, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Preakness winners again
Say, I realized that you created Oxbow (horse) AND were on the team when we took Shackleford (horse) to GA. So, I've been working on the Oxbow article recently and think it's close to being ready for a GA run; Craiglduncan and Froggerlaura have already been over there to help and added a bunch of good stuff, too. So do you want to pop over, give it a look, comment, etc., and join the crew for another GA run on a Preakness stakes winner? I think it's close to being ready for a GA run (two cn tags left, both of which contain content that's not critical to the article, though fun to keep if sourceable) I'd love to have it at GA quality and the nomination in before the Belmont, as it's apt to get a lot of traffic about then. Montanabw (talk) 22:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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I put the César Cielo and Thiago Pereira articles for GA. I would ask if you can review the English of the pages, and then be the reviewer of the GA process of both. I did my best, I put everything I could in the articles, but I do not speak English fluently and probably contains some grammar errors. If you could help me, I'll be very grateful. Thank you. Rauzaruku (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

There are lists of writers by television series to determine who wrote the most episodes.
I don't know why you or anyone else is objecting to the lists of writers for television series. I think it's good to know who wrote the most episodes for certain shows. --StewieBaby05 (talk) 18:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)