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Ողջո՛ւյն Վաչագան, ցանկանալի կլիներ որ իր կենսագրությունը անգլերեն Վիկիպիդիյաի վրա գրեյ: Դժբախտաբար, այժմ զբաղված եմ ուրիշ հոդվածներով և նույնիսկ համալսարանի դասերով: Չնայած, երբ ամառը հասնի և դասերից ազատվեմ, ես իրոք կուսումանասիրեմ իր կյանքի մասին: Your help will be much appreciated here on English Wikipedia. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Իսկ ինչ կասեք, փորձե՞մ ինքս թարգմանել անգլերեն։ Վարանում եմ, որովհետև տեսնում եմ, որ այստեղ նման հոդված գրելուց հետո պետք է ահագին կռիվ տալ այն պաշտպանելու համար... Իսկ ես անգելերն այդքան լավ չգիտեմ (թարգմանելը գլուխ կբերեմ, բայց կռիվ անել լավ չեմ կարող)։ --Vacio (talk) 06:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ոչինչ, իմ դասերը վերջանում են մի երկու շաբաթից: Ես ձեզ կոգնեմ, և եթե թուրքերը միբան ասեն, ես կվիճեմ ձեր փոխարեն :) --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Բարև Վաչագան, the article looks good although it would be more accurate if his name is spelled "Yeghishé Ishkhanyan", so you can perhaps move it to that. The grammar needs fixing but I will work on it as soon as I can, հուսով, այս էկող շաբաթ. Աղբյուրների բաջժինը, «Idem»-ի փոխարեն պիտի գրվի՝ «Ibid., էջ.»--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Բարեւ Վաչագան, կարծում եմ շնորհակալությունը պետք է ասենք նկարիչին. Եթե նա իր նկարները free licenseռ-ով չկիսվեր ապա չեինք կարող նրանք օգտագործել: Իմիջայլոց մեկ ուրիշն էլ կա որ կարող եմ upload անեմ commons-ում http://www.flickr.com/photos/seethis/1794641139/sizes/o/ Ինչ էս կարծում լավն է՞ --VartanM (talk) 05:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Flickr-ում նկարները մի՞շտ են ազատ լիցենզիայով տրամադրվում։Երկրորդ նկարը ևս տպավորիչ է՝ impressive, ինձ շատ դուր է գալիս. Ինքս շատ եմ կարևորում այնպիսի նկարներ շրջանառումը, որոնք արտացոլում են Արցախի դարևոր մշակույթը. դրանք անհամեմատ ավելի արդյունավետ են քան «Արցախը հայաշխարհ է, թե՞ ոչ» անվերջանալի բանավեճը ազերիների հետ։ Ցավոք ես մի քիչ դժվարություններ եմ ունենում նկարներ բեռնավորելիս, հաճախ դրանք ջնջվում են։ Իսկ միայն Գանձասարում 200 հայերեն արձանագրություն կա, որոնցից միայն մեկն ենք կարողացել «ճարել» (Ջալալ Ա-ի արձանագրությունը)։ Ինչևիցե ևս մեկ անգամ շնորհակալություն ձեզ Շուշիի հրաշակերտ մայր տաճարի լուսանկարի բեռնավորման համար, շնորհակալ եմ նաև լուսանկարչին։Բարեկամական ողջույնով --Vacio (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Հասան Ջալալյաններ և Ջալալ Ա
Հարգելի Վաչագան, ես կցանկանյի իմանալ թե արդեոք այն տեղեկությունները, որ գտնվում է Հասան Ջալալյանների հոդվածի մեջ չի համապատասխանում Ջալալ Ա-ի հոդվածի հետ:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 03:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ողջույն Մարշալ, անգլերեն House of Hasan-Jalalyan հոդվածը, որը վերաբերում է Խաչենի իշխանական տոհմի մեկ ճյուղին, համապատասխանում է հայերեն Հասան-Ջալալյաններ հոդվածին։ Իսկ Ջալալ Ա հայերեն հոդվածը վերաբերում է Խաչենի տեր Հասան-Ջալալ Դոլային, այսինքն՝ անձին։--Vacio (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Շնորակալություն տվածդ տեղեկության համար, որովհետև ես չէի նկատել նշված հոդվածը:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Artsakh
Hey, you added dubious tags to three sentences in this article if I'm not mistaken. Do you have any sources that refute those sentence? For example, the one that says, "In ancient times the area was inhabited by various people of non-Armenian and for the most part non-Indo-European origin". Thanks, Khoikhoi 05:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have a source, the encyclopedia "Iranica", which says that Armenian lived since 7 BC there: Bordering on Media, Cappadocia, and Assyria, the Armenians settled, according to classical sources (beginning with Herodotus and Xenophon), in the east Anatolian mountains along the Araxes (Aras) river and around Mt. Ararat, Lake Van, Lake Rezaiyeh, and the upper courses of the Euphrates and Tigris; they extended as far north as the Cyrus (Kur) river. To that region they seem to have immigrated only about the 7th century B.C. --Vacio (talk) 05:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I also make doubt on the verios tribe names, which are mentioned as the ancient habitants of Artsakh, since historical sources place the most of this tribes in other regions of the Southern Caucasus, but not in Artsakh. For example, Movses Kalankatvatsi mentions about Gargars, who lived near the Greater Caucasus mountains, Strabo says Casps lived in Caspiane (Paytakaran).
 * Please also note, that Grandmaster accuses the Armenian historian Ulubabyan, but he self tries to distort historical facts. The historiographer Movses Kaghankatvatsi clearly says that the Mihranid Family, which settled in Gardman, succeeded the Haykazuni-Arranshahik Family. Grandmaster changed this sentence in the article Mihranids and wrote that they succeeded that Albanian Arsacid dynasty (see here). He and some other users try to disguise the fact that till the second half of the 7th century an Armenian Royal Family existed in Artakh and Utik, that's why they are dead against the map I have made. --Vacio (talk) 05:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Iranica's a good source as well. However, the source currently cited in the article is Hewsen, is it not? IMO both pass the reliable source test. Movses Kalankatvatsi and Strabo are primary sources, it's not our job as Wikipedians to interpret them ourselves. If you doubt something, please show me the 3rd party sources that agree with you in the case of the names of the ancient inhabitants of Artsakh.


 * Regarding the map: What I don't understand is that a lot of the stuff Ulubabyan writes seems to be disputed by Azeris, while most of the stuff that is written by Hewsen for example is agreed upon by both Armenians and Azeris (more or less). So why pick the more controversial source for the less controversial one? Khoikhoi 09:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, the main goal of the map I have made, is to show the internal arrangement of Artsakh and Utik, i.e. their cantons, cities, castles, rivers etc. In the map of Hewsen one can't learn much more about this regions, than that they were then part of Armenia. The reason I used Ulubabyan and not Hewsen, was that he gave a very detailed map of this region. And he is trustworthy as well, btw. the city Tigranakert shown in his map was excavated in 2005.
 * Please also note, this map is totally handmade with Photoshop, so I have spent a lot of time on it and can't make a new one. Although I have made some changes on it tring to reach a consensus
 * I have removed Kambisena as the domain of the Arranshahiks, since that may be disputable
 * I have replaed Armenian eastern lands, 5-7cc with Artsakh and Utik, 5-7cc.
 * I think the objections of Grandmaster are not enough for removing the map. First he said, Arsakh and Utik were then ruled by Mihranids. Now that Arranshahik is not a family name but a title and that Albania was not on the left bank of Kura but right. I dont think I must continue the discussion on talk:Artsakh about the map, since I find it despotic. Azeri users use a map on Caucasian Albania which shows Albania with the left bank of Kura, while authors as Robert Hewsen, say in 2nd c. BC the latter was part of Medes and then of Armenia, thus a far more questionable map.
 * I have made other maps as well, which were useful for wikipedia. And now I fill quite disappointed in my contributions for Wikipedia. I want to know what exacty is wrong in the map I have made and if I may place it back to the aticle Artsakh. --Vacio (talk) 14:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Barev. Please email me when you have the time. I have two maps that you might find interesting. They are extremely detailed, and include all the things you've mentioned as well (cantons, cities, castles, rivers, etc). I'm sure that Ulubabyan is a trustworthy source, but he seems to be disputed by Azeri historians. The way I see it, when you have two sources, one is praised mostly by Armenians, and the other is praised by both Armenians and Azeris, why not use the latter? Now I honestly appreciate the hard work you put into making this map, but sometimes we need to make concessions in editing disputes and go with a solution that everyone agrees upon. The two changes you made are good, but there still appear to be some problems judging by the talk page. I have emailed a couple of professors on Armenian Studies and we'll see what they say. However while we're waiting, please email me and I'll show you the maps. Perhaps we can some to an agreement on the map at Caucasian Albania, but I'd like to take things one step at a time. Khoikhoi 08:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for your willingness to help. I'm afraid it will be hard to reach a consensus in talk:Artsakh. The discussion is very vehement and it is even not very clear for me what exactly is reprehensible for Grandmaster and others in the map. Critique of experts can be very helpful, it is a good idea to consult them. --Vacio (talk) 04:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, check your email. Also, please be aware of Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan and Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. The latter case basically states that some form of restrictions can be applied to users that edit war on Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles. I can't do anything myself since I'm involved in this dispute, and I'm not placing you on restrictions either. This is just a heads up for the future. Consider sticking to the one-revert rule, which although is not an official policy, can be helpful to follow. Khoikhoi 07:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

NKR
Vacio, could you please replace the Dutch version of the Wiki map of the NKR with an English version? Also, please take note of the following recent information concerning the incorrect name "Nagorno-Karabakh."

The word form "Nagorno-" is a combining element that was used before the adjective "Karabakhskaya" in Russian to form the name of the former administrative entity known as the "Nagorno-Karabakhskaya Avtonomnaya Oblast'." When used before the noun "Karabakh" instead of before the adjective "Karabakhskaya," however, the correct word form is the masculine adjective "Nagornyy" (spelled more simply as "Nagorny") rather than the combining element "Nagorno-." The name form "Nagorno-Karabakh," as a proper noun, is, therefore, the result of a translation error and should be replaced by the correct form "Nagorny Karabakh." Atelerix (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Several international organizations have now begun to use the correct form "Nagorny Karabakh" in place of "Nagorno-Karabakh." See the following websites:

http://www.c-r.org/our-work/accord/nagorny-karabakh/index.php

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/11/mil-071129-rianovosti02.htm

http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/azerbaijan-armenia-photos-201206

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa//repertoire/89-92/CHAPTER%208/EUROPE/item%2019_Nagorny-Karabakh.pdf

Atelerix (talk) 17:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for you interest. I will translate the map. But I am not sure to use Nagorny Karabakh, Since I made this map for wikipedia, I will only change the name when it is done here as well. --Vacio (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Առանշահիկների քարտեզը
Բարև սիրելի Վաչագան, այն քարտեզը, որ դու ավելացրեցիր Արցախի հոդվածում՝ ունի երկու տառասխալ: Նախ՝ այսպես գրված վերնագիրը՝ "Royal Demense..." պետք է գրվի՝ "Royal Domains". Երկրորդ՝ "Mayor religious centres" պետք է գրվի՝ "Major religious centers", ըստ ամերիկյան անգլերենի ուղղագրության համաձայն:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Այո՛, սիրելի Վաչագան՝ մեզ հավանական է թվում, որ հայերեն «ռ» տառի ամենալավ ներկայացուցիչը անգլերնով կլինի՝ «rr». Մեր ադրբեջանցի մասնակիցներ պնդում են ոչ թե միայն անգլերեն աղբյուրներ օգտագործենք, այլ՝ իրանց ուզած աղբյուրները :) Չնայաց այս գրքի հեղինակները նկարագրում են Լեոի երկերը հետևյալ բառով՝ «authoritative», այսինքն՝ «հեղինակավոր»: Ամեն դեպքում կարելի է փորձել և տեսնել թե ինչ արդյունք է տալիս:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Սիրելի Վաչագան, դժբախտաբար, այդ գիրքը չունեմ մոտս, քանի որ պետք է գնամ գրադարանից վերցնեմ: Ի միջ այլոց, արդյոք դու ստացա՞ր իմ նամակը, որը ուղարկել էի ի-մայլով:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

1RR warn
See Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan and Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. You are now subject to these restrictions, including but not limited to 1RR. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 18:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of justification, I suggest you appeal against this, asap. Meowy 19:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeap, he messed up here. Even with a proper justification (which clearly lacks here) he's supposed to warn you and can't put you under any restrictions without a prior warning. You should report Rlevse here: AE.--  Ευπάτωρ   Talk!! 20:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, consider yourself not restricted at this time, but duly warned you will be next time. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 20:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet another admin we need to watch for bias (or more likely for plain oldfashioned shoot-first, think-later, apologise-never). Meowy 21:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh really, what about this diff: here, still on his user page? — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 09:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And your point is? The racist and ill-conceived AA2 restrictions, dreamed up by a set of couldn't-care-less admins who couldn't even be bothered to defend their positions and correct their own obvious mistakes, are long past their disposal date. Just as you can judge a person by the company he keeps, you can judge administrator by the rules he/she wants to impose on others. Meowy 20:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not a place for soapboxing. Admins don't make rules, they implement them. Rlevse or any other admin did not draft AA2 restrictions, they were imposed by the arbitration committee. Vacio clearly deserved his parole, as he was warned to cease edit warning, but chose to continue. However Rlevse was given a misleading info by certain people, and generously gave Vacio another chance. Yet you keep on attacking him. Why? Grandmaster (talk) 04:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Admins do make the rules, and as individuals they chose when and if to apply them. The arbitration committee that dreamed up the original AA2 remedy was composed of administrators. You, Grandmaster, were one of the first to be affected by these restrictions, yet, rather than try to point out their flaws, you instead decided to use them to your own advantage by trying to get as many editors as possible tarred with the same brush. However, in the long term it has given you no advantage: you have, because of your serial complaining, made yourself a laughing-stock amongst other editors. Meowy 23:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I am quite unacquainted with Wikipedia rules; if someone would explain me which rule(s) I have violated, I'll try to keep to the prescripts next time. --Vacio (talk) 11:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Rlevse. I think you have failed to notice one important thing: when I was accused by Grandmaster, you didn't pay attention to the fact, that he was concerned in the mentioned edit-war. I think I am treatend unjustly since it seems you rebuked me without examine into the real causes of that edit-war. First, on the Mihranids article Grandmaster tampered with a primary source (I don't know whether he did it consciously or not, but he deed it twice). After finaly "Arsacid dynasty of Caucasian Albania" was replaced with "ancient Armenian Erranshahik family" (as the source states), Grandmaster contrasted a statement of R. Hewsen with this primary source (or its English transl.), and that in such a way as if according to Hewsen the Erranshahiks were not Armenian, though that statement was not directly and explicitly concerning the Erranshahiks and I declared that he engaged in OR. Even after I quoted an other work of Hewsen wfich refers to them as an "Armenian princely house", Grandmaster is still blaming me for deleting Hewsen from the article (?).


 * Second, Grandmaster derives from the studies of R. Hewsen some statements, which are not directly stated by the author (see quotes: ): Grandmaster is sure about Armenian legendary figures as Hayk and Sisak, that they were certainly not real persons. And see what is he then doing with these: according to the primary sources Aran was a descendent of this Hayk and Sisak, in the article Artsakh Grandmaster added to this: However, Hayk and Sisak were just eponyms and not real persons, (11) so Aran (if he actually existed) could not be their descendant. When I tried to reach a consensus by replacing this statement with the mention that Aran was a descendant of old mythical kings of Armenia, Grandmaster removed the word mythical, and once again stressed that they were not real persons. For the same reason I had reverted his edit in Caucasian Albania, when he replaced "However it is uncertain whether Aran and Sisak were real or imaginary persons." (a sourced statement) with "However, Sisak is thought to have been just an eponym and a not real person." referring to the same work of Hewsen, thus once more stressing the assertion that Sisak was not a real person, while all R. Hewsen says is "Sisak... can only be another eponym, and a late one at that. Sisak is said to have been the ancestor of the princes of Siwnik', a province on the southern border of Geghak’uni". Even after I tried to combine this two sources (Hewsen and Kramers), Grandmaster was not satisfied and blamed me improperly.
 * I wandered why it was so important for him to stress that Sisak is not a real person. And I found the answer: because Aran was to be the ancestor of Caucasian Albanians. Only the title of the text of Kaghankatvatsi, which was used as source there, says how ridiculous this history fabrication is: "Chapter 4. Vagharshak appoints a ruler (i.e. Aran) over the Albanians". Hence my "reverts" (actually my remove of 'ancestor') in Caucasian Albania I was blamed for.


 * Thus your reaction was quite superficial. If you would closely look to the matter, than, I suppose, at least you should warn us both. Since now I fill rather threatened than disciplined. It seems reverting counterfeit edits is worser than adding biased or unverified statments in wikipedia articles. --Vacio (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Andersen map
I don't see why you're discussing the validity of that map. It's irrelevant. If they want to get rid of it, they need to go through the proper Wiki process of doing so. Which is next to impossible to do.--  Ευπάτωρ   Talk!! 13:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm rather flustered... this is the third time I'm apposed to use a map of Nagorno-Karabakh. One is still discussed on an other article (see talk:Artsakh). --Vacio (talk) 10:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Artsakh
See Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement. Both you and Grandmaster are warned, the article is full protected and you are now under AA/AA2 restrictions. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 12:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Re Artsakh
Hi and thanks for you intervention, protecting Artsakh could perhaps help to cool off. But I don't think I have done anything worth for any restrictions and I think you are treating me unjustified for the second time. Grandmaster and others were just vandalizing the Artsakh page, this is not only my opinion, since Til Eulenspiegel, an impartial user, warned those users 3 times  that they were engaging anoriginal synthesis and that it had even no connection with the topic of the article in question, yet they neglected him to. I hoped anyone who would react on Grandmaster's accusation, would first inspect the talkpagesMihranids, Albania & Artsakhand see how those Users every time try to "attest" an obviously wrong idea and threat me not to remove it from the article. Although it would be just the the reverse: dubious and unclear statements would not been added until they are verified and this refers also to a map. In this case I am under restrictions while Gransmaster is only "warned". I think this unfair accusation had the only purpose to terrorize me. And I'm not going accept it, Please tell me how I can appeal against it and also what do imply AA/AA2 restrictions. Thanks. --Vacio (talk) 14:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Grandmaster thinks you were vandalizing it and he thinks you were. You were warned twice so you can't say you weren't aware. I'm sure you can see the problems that creates for us admins who are only trying to get users to cooperate instead of constantly bickering over whose version of an article is the "correct" one. I am totally neutral in this too. You can appeal to arbcom but I've saved you the trouble and asked them to look at this already-I did this just a few minutes ago. Also, they're about to release new guidelines for handling nationalistic disputes any day now. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 16:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Vacio, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee and all I have to say here is that, as Rlevse says, the ArbCom is discussing new approaches on how to deal with nationalistic disputes. Your appeal may just be rejected on the grounds that AA/AA2 remedies are supposed to be clear. Let me know if you still have something you want clarified. --  fayssal   -  wiki  up®  18:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you both for reacting and your willingness to help. First IMHO this dispute concerns rather history, it is not a nationalistic one and it does not relate whose version of article is the correct one. I'm afraid you don't even see the real matter of this dispute. Grandmaster and Parishan added in Artsakh the sentence "Sisak is not a real person", when it was not only irrelevant to the article's topic, but this person (Sisak) is not mentioned in the article at all. Every time, before I would remove this sentence, I laid my objections on the talkpage , and, as I said before, the edits of Grandmaster and Parishan were objected by an impartial user as well, it was not merely my personal opinion. I can't believe I am treated fairly, when I am penalized just for removing this untidy excerpt. I therefore respectfully request lifting AA/2 restrictions, or if that is not possible please invite or link me to an admin who is specialized in history related disputes, since I have much more objections about how this two users manipulate with historical sources. Thanks. --Vacio (talk) 05:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Vacio
Hi, I had left a message on my talk page, but no one reacted on it. I have declared that the restrictions laid on me by Rlevse were unjust and I requested for appeal. According to Rlevse the reason for restricting me was constantly bickering over whose version of an article is the "correct" one. However all I have done was 3 times removing this excerpt from the Artsakh-article: "Hayk and Sisak are not real persons", which was replaced by User:Grandmaster andUser:Parishan. I can't see how removing an untidy excerpt from the article can be a reason for restrictions, I thought that the above mentioned users Grandmaster and Parishan were just vandalizing the article (see the talk page, I have mentioned this there in bold). I therefore respectfully request lifting AA/2 restrictions. I will do my best to avoid any edit-warring next time. Thank you for attention. --Vacio (talk) 05:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First, please note that every time before removing this sentence I have brought up my argumentation in the talkpage as wikipedia rules require.
 * Second, this excerpt was absolutely an error: this person (Sisak) is not mentioned in the article at all. I have said this several times on the talkpage and the edits of those users were even objected by an impartial user, who even placed the "Original Synthesis" tag in the article.
 * Please also note that I was accused by user Grandmaster himself, who IMO was the main reason for this muddle


 * Hi. If you for any reason can't react my post above, please link me to an admin or the right place where I can request for appeal. Thanks. --Vacio (talk) 08:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been quite busy Vacio. You can send your appeal to arbcom-lATlists.wikimedia.org. --   fayssal   -  wiki  up®  15:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Vacio
I saw your note at the arb talk page asking for some help in making an appeal, and thought I'd swing by and let you know that I'm happy to take a look, though I hold no power or influence, I can at least offer a sympathetic sigh if your messages to the arbcom list aren't getting any response! :-)

My first impression is that it might be good advice to head over to User_talk:Rlevse and just drop a short, polite note asking if he might have any time to review your restrictions, or at least talk about why you feel they're unfair. If you and he have had very strained relations, then I appreciate this might be hard, but generally speaking the 'lower down' in the hierarchy a problem might be able to be solved here on wikipedia, the quicker, and more likely the solution is to satisfy all parties - that's just my impression really. I'd say it's worth a shot to try and have a friendly, open discussion with R at this point :-)

I hope this matter isn't stressing you out, or causing undue upset too badly, and hope that you continue to enjoy editing on Wikipedia! :-) best regards, Privatemusings (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems fair advice to me. I will add that Rlevse is an exceptionally fair and impartial administrator, and prior interactions between the two of you that have not precisely resulted in you walking off with no bruised pride will not be cause for him to snub your requests for a follow-up look at your restrictions. Please consider filing an appeal with the Committee only as a last resort; you may wish to, before even that but after all discussion with Rlevse have terminated without a suitable resolution, direct the Community's attention to the matter, at the Administrators' noticeboard. AGK 20:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Privatemusings and AGK, thanks for your reaction and advices. Relations between me and Rlevse are OK, and I think you are right, I will once again apply to him in the hope that we will reach a mutual consent. Greets --Vacio (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you seem to be making a good faith effort, so I'll lift the restrictions; and please continue down this path of constructive editing.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 14:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much:) I will do my best next. --Vacio (talk) 06:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * really pleased this all worked out ok, vacio :-) - hope you continue to enjoy your work here, and you can always pop by R's page, I'm sure, for further advice if you'd like :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 09:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)"


 * And I owe this partially to you, Privatemusings :) Greets. --Vacio (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

NK
Hi there, I have time to review your edits, but I don't have time to go through and edit them myself. Please take the time to review them yourself, placing the least contentious ones first. Also, please make sure to check them for spelling and orthographical consistency. I recommend not changing the lead without prior agreement on the talk page. Best wishes, - Francis Tyers · 10:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I've restored the last known good version. - Francis Tyers · 20:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Պատերազմի հոդվածի մասին
Սիրելի Վաչագան, իմ կարծիքով, ավելի նախընտրելի կլինի, որ մենք թողնենք Հայաստանի դրոշը Արցախյան գոյամարտի հոդվածի մեջ: Ինչպես դու լավ գիտես, անժխտելի է, որ Հայաստանից ուղարկվել է Արցախ՝ ամեն տեսակի զենք և զինամթերք: Իհարկե, դա չի նշանակում, որ մարտիկների մեծ մասը Հայասատնից են եկել: Բայց այնուամենայնիվ, ավելի շատ հոդվածներ կան, որ պաշպանության կարիք ունեն: Հարգանքներով, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

re Aghstev
Move wars are among the most annoying edit wars. Please go to RFM to deal with this further, rather than continuing an edit war. --Golbez (talk) 07:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reaction. I am not involved and don't want to be involved in move/edit wars. Can you please link me to the RFM(?). --Vacio (talk) 07:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I found it already: Requests_for_mediation. Regards --Vacio (talk) 08:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa whoa wait. I gave you the wrong acronym. I meant request for MOVE... um... that's at WP:RM, not WP:RFM. My bad. Though mediation might be useful too, but considering arbitration has failed multiple times, I have little faith in the system. --Golbez (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I have already leaved there a massage yesterday . No reaction yet, thus I am not sure if I went the right way about it.--Vacio (talk) 09:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Map and other issues
The map on C.Albania page is really good. ինձ օգնություն է պետք լ.ղարաբաղի էջի վրա! Capasitor (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Դժբախտաբար չունեմ Հյուսենի հօդվածը - լավ կլիներ դա ունեննալ. երբ որ ձեռս ընկնի - կհանեմ պատճենը և կ'ուղարկեմ: Capasitor (talk) 17:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capasitor (talk • contribs)

Ամարաս
Խնդրում եմ վերադարձրու Ամարասի վանքի նկարը - այն պահը որը այնտեղ հայկակն այբոբեններ ստեղծված շատ կարևոր է արխախի հայկական դիմանկարը ցույց տալու համար: Capasitor (talk) 17:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC) --

Ուզում եմ տեղեկացնել որ ինձ հիմա արդեն կարելի է ուղարկել էլեկտրոնային փոստ: Capasitor (talk) 15:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Երևի դու ճիշտ էիր ինձ շարքից հանելու մտադրության մասին: Պետք է ավելի խելամիտ լինել: Հետևիր իմ եդիտների քայլերին և տես թե ինչ կարելի է անել չեքուզերի տակից դուրս գալու համար: Capasitor (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

House of Hasan-Jalalyan
House of Hasan-Jalalyan հոդվածում թույլ են տրվել մի շարք պատագիտական թյուրիմացություներ: Օրինակ գրված է.

"«Hasan-Jalal's grandfather was Hasan I (also known as Hasan the Great), a prince who ruled over the northern half of Artsakh.[6] Hasan I was the husband of Dopi, one of the three sisters of the Zakarid brother-generals Zakare and Ivane who married into the nakharar families.[7] … In 1182, he stepped down as ruler of the region and entered monastery life at Dadivank, and divided his land into two: the southern half (comprising much of Khachen) went to his oldest son Vakhtank II (also known as Tonkik) and the northern half went to the youngest, Gregory 'the Black.' Vakhtank II married Khorishah Zakarian, who was herself the daughter of Sargis Zakarian, a progenitor of the Zakarid line of princes.[8] When he married the daughter of the Arranshahik king of Balk, Mamkan, Hasan-Jalal also inherited his father-in-law's lands.[9]»"

Իսկապես Հասան Ջալալի պապը եղել է Հասան I Մեծը, բայց նա բոլորովին այլ անձնավորություն է եւ ոչ մի կապ չունի Դոփի ամուսին Հասան I –ի հետ: Հասան I  Մեծի հայրը եղել է Վախթանգ I:  Հասան I եւ Դոփը ունեցել են 2 զավակ՝ Գրիգորը եւ Գրիգորիսը: Գրիգորը (Գրիգոր I Դոփյան) հաջորդել է հորը, իսկ Գրիգորիսը եղել է Հաղպատի եպիսկոպոս: Ահա սա է Դոփյանների ճյուղի առաջին տոհմաշղթան: Հասան Ջալալը չի սերել Դոփյաններից, իսկ նրա պապ Հասան Մեծը  Հասան I –ն  չէ:

1182-ին Դադիվանք գնացած Հասանն էլ Մամա Բագրատունու ամուսին եւ Վախթանգ Սակառի որդի Հասան Կրոնավորյալն է, որը իշխել է Հաթերքում: Նրան ժառանգել է 6 որդիներից մեկը՝ Վախթանգ Թագավորազնը: Վերջինիս երկու ժառանգները մահացել են տարբեր ժամանակներում, ինչից հետո հանգել  է Առանշահիկների Հաթերքի ճյուղը:

House of Hasan-Jalalyan հոդվածը ներկայումս մի կատարյալ խառնաշփոթ է, ուր Դոփի ամուսին Հասանը, Ներքին Խաչենի Հասան Մեծը եւ Հաթերքի Հասան Կրոնավորյալը ներկայացվում են որպես մեկ անձնավորություն: Վախթանգ Տանգիկը եւ Հաթերքի իշխանազուն Վախթանգ Թագավորազնը (Արզուխաթուն Արծրունու ամուսինը) նույնպես տարբեր մարդիկ են:--Taron Saharyan (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

WP:AE
Hi. Please see this thread at WP:AE: Thanks. Grand master  06:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Notice of editing restrictions
Notice: Under the terms of Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, any editor who edits articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility may be placed under several editing restrictions, by notice on that editor's talk page. This notice is to inform you that based on your edits, you are hereby placed under the following restrictions:
 * 1) Revert limitation (formerly known as revert parole). You are limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, and are required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page.
 * 2) Supervised editing (formerly known as probation). You may be banned by any administrator from editing any or all articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area should you fail to maintain a reasonable degree of civility in your interactions with one another concerning disputes which may arise.
 * 3) Civility supervision (formerly known as civility parole). If you make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then you may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses.

Enforcement: Violations of limitations, supervision, or bans imposed by the remedies in this case may be enforced by brief blocks of up to a week in the event of repeat violations. After 5 blocks the maximum block period shall increase to one year.

Note: This notice is not effective unless given by an administrator and logged here. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 09:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Тигран Чухаджян
Բարեւ ձեզ հարգելի Վաչագան: Եթե չեմ սխալվում դուք թարմանիչ եք, ինչի առթիվ մի փոքրիկ խնդրանք ունեմ ձեզ: Չեի՞ք կարող ժամանակ տրամադրել   Чухаджян, Тигран Геворгович հոդվածի համար թարգմանել ներքոշարադրյալ անգլերեն տեքստը.


 * Originally titled "Eboudia e Zemire", Zemire was first performed in Turkish with French dialogue in April 1891, at the Theatre Français "Concordia" in Pera, Bey Oghlou, by Mme. Benatti's French company. A few years later it had been translated into Italian in preparation for a European premiere.


 * The operetta, denoted as semiseria (semi-serious), is a fanciful affair with parading mythical creatures and an all-powerful grand wizard, who usurps the power of Mother Nature and the imposed hierarchies of influential families with a sip of enchanted water which ultimately bonds the main characters together in an exciting romance.


 *  The two organizations have joined together once again to produce a third Tchouhadjian operetta: Zemire. This production will be staged for the first time since it was written and performed in 1891. Being among the few operatic pieces created by an Armenian composer, the value of the work is paramount for Armenian musical history.


 * For too long Tchouhadjian's creations have remained un-produced and unpublished, rendering them practically inaccessible to artists, historians, and the music-loving public. It is our intention to employ these performances as a springboard, bringing us nearer to the ultimate goal of publishing Zemire in a definitive version for the first time ever. In this manner we can assure the longevity of a cultural and musical monument, and rescue Tchouhadjian from a lamentable oblivion.

Շնորհակալություն: --Taron Saharyan (talk) 17:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Karabakh link to Ղարաբաղ
It doesn't hurt to have extra links to the Armenian page. --76.93.86.242 (talk) 20:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikilinks connect exactly the same articles in different languages. Redirects should not be placed as wikilinks. They are misleading and soon or later bots will remove them (cf. ) --Vacio (talk) 10:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Renaming a category
For the time being, I undid your edit to Category:4th century BC and Category:5th century BC regarding the hy: interwiki link. If it is your intention to rename the category, you need to change all articles/subcategories to belong to the new category and delete the old category name. Otherwise, the interwiki links will be in a state of conflict. --LA2 (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Your edit
Could you please explain your edit. --Quantum666 (talk) 05:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

And here. --Quantum666 (talk) 05:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the explanation is that you gave no reason why you are removing a version of the city name from multiple pages. --Vacio (talk) 18:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I am asking about your edits, not mine. The town is called Shusha and there is consensus about it, so your edits contradict it. --Quantum666 (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The consensus is that is is also called Shushi. There is no consensus to remove Shushi from wikipedia articles. You even didn't discuss it right?. You do not have a WP rule supporting your action. --Vacio (talk) 15:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Look WP:NCGN please. Especially this part concerning usage of names other than in titles: The contents (this applies to all articles using the name in question): The same name as in the title should be used consistently throughout the article, unless there is a widely accepted historic English name for a specific historical context. --Quantum666 (talk) 06:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Request for input
Hi Vacio

With your extensive knowledge of Arstakh history, I would appreciate if you join the discussions at Talk:Drmbon and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names).

Thanks, --  Ashot  ( talk ) 06:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Request from Aram-van
Hello Vacio, this is user Aram-van. I've a request. Could you look at, I think the names aren't correct, I think Artsakh, Utik, Gardman, Caspiane or Paytakaran weren't historical region of Caucasian Albania, they were Greater Armenia's. And also take a look on page Gugark, some users continue to vandalize the article.

Thanks! Aram-van--Aram-van (talk) 18:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The template you mention is apparently not very accurate, it calls historical regions what have been only temporarily part of Caucasian Albania and moreover in its late history. Artsakh for instance was only in 387 attached to Albania and it is not certain whether it has been ever before part of Caucasian Albania. Furthermore it is not clear what kind of political entity it has been within Albania (see Artsakh). So, maybe a solution would be to rename the template in something historically more accurate?
 * As of Gugark/Gogarene. I would advise you to use the talk page and post there your arguments rather than engaging in page move war. It might also be helpful to search in Google Books what name Western scholars more commonly use for this historical region. --va c io 19:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

NKR Territory
Thank u 4 your contribution on the Nagorno Karabakh page. However, please note that NKR considers Shahumian as part of its territory regardless of the fact that it does not control it presently. Gorzaim (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I was considering this passage from the NKR Constitution:
 * Till the restoration of the state territorial integrity of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic and the adjustment of its borders public authority is exercised on the territory under factual jurisdiction of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh. (art. 142)
 * Thus, if I'am not wrong, NKR does indeed claim Shahumian (as well as Getashen and the eastern parts of Martuni and Martakert), but the current republic doesn't include them. The republic exists only of the territory it currently virtually controls awaiting a settlement of the conflict, this has to be made clear in the NK/NKR articles, I think. What do you think? --va c <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#1E90FF;">io  04:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for Arbcomm
Hi Vacio, I thought you might interested in my suggestion 7 here: --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would definitely like to hear your opinion on my proposal as well. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Khodabandeh14. Thank you for notifying. I will take a look at your proposal. --<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#1E90FF;">va <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#FF8C00;">c <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS, verdana, sans serif; color:#1E90FF;">io 04:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Karabakh demographics
This was a very nice catch on your part Vacio. So it looks like that the statistics presented by the other authors was not necessarily conflicting but that Neftchi, for one reason or another, was equating the all the data of the 1823 census, which included all of the Karabakh khanate, with what I had added, which said that the Armenians made up the overwhelming majority in Highland Karabakh. Lowland Karabakh and the rest of the lands in the Karabakh khanate were populated mainly by Muslims while the Armenians were able to retain overwhelming numbers in the mountainous region of Karabakh. I will work up a draft and incorporate Bournoutian's findings, but thanks again for being so vigilant. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:33, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Your signature
I noticed that your signature here is a transclusion of User:Vacio/Signature. Looking at your other signtures on this page, this may have been a one-off mistake, but if not then you should check WP:SIG. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing. I was not aware of WP:SIG#NT. --Vacio (talk) 12:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

New Section
Hi. Please pay attention to here. Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for informing. I did. -- va c  io  20:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Notice of editing restrictions
You are notified, based upon this comment,, that you are restricted for an indefinite period from evaluating a source's reliability based upon any criteria except those listed at Reliable sources. Specifically, you may not evaluate a source's reliability or neutrality based upon the national origin of the source or source's author. Further comments regarding the reliability or neutrality of sources except for those listed may lead to additional restrictions or a block from editing. You may appeal this restriction at arbitration enforcement or to the arbitration committee if you believe that it is erroneous or unwarranted. This restriction will be logged at the Armenia-Azerbaijan arbitration page and takes effect immediately. Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * My response and opinion about sources is here. -- va c  io  09:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Re
Thanks Vacio. Couldn't join this time. Are there many in the club? --  Ashot  ( talk ) 11:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ashot. This time seven wikipedians joined. We mainly share our personal experiences with Wikipedia and think together how to help (Armenian) Wikipedia to grow. You should join once, if it you're interested. Most probably we'll have a next meet in February. Kind regards, -- va c  io  11:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Warning about Section Blanking
If you remove again section about Pakistan in Khojaly Massacre article, I will have to report your action to admins as it didn't break any wikipedia policies and information is from trusted source. Please be careful in future.--NovaSkola (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello NovaSkola. Why do you react so aggressively? You break at least on of the WP rules, which is WP:AGF. The best thing when your edit is reverted, is to use the relevant TP to discuss, not to threathen a user on his/her userpage. Thank you. -- va c  io  15:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

There are no any information about "genocide" at Mexica and Pakistan senat's oficial website. Divot (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

AE report filed by User:Grandmaster
User:Grandmaster has filed an AE report on Nagorno-Karabakh trying to limit participation in the article. Take a look as users active on the article’s talk pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nagorno-Karabakh_article Dehr (talk) 16:48, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Restricting access to users in Armenia-Azerbaijan
I would like to pick the brain of more experienced users about the ongoing exchange between [User:Grandmaster] and a couple of administrators. Grandmaster suggests to restrict access to some and potentially to all articles in Armenia-Azerbaijan by excluding new users. You can reply on my home page if you wish. Dehr (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible VacioBot error
Thought I should let you know about this edit – not sure why the bot is adding broken interlanguage links with language code. Just a heads up. ehird (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * hi Ehird. Yes there was an error, thanks for noticing and correcting. Kind regards. -- va c  io  15:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

VacioBot
Could you please clarify the purpose and status of. It does not seem to be an approved robot account, and if so, may not edit. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 11:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, so far I used this account only manually, I will ask for a bot flag soon. Regards. -- va c  io  13:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry, I did not mean to be rude or unfriendly at all, but I have blocked VacioBot from editing. The reason is purely technical - its edits will be understood as bot edits, but it is not a bot yet. Any admin can unblock it when that account receives a bot status. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 13:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, regards. -- va c  io  13:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Akori
I'm really not sure. It would need some more research. The names are confusing. Nocturnal781 (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Անդրանիկ
Բարև Վաչագան ջան, ուրեմն ես տեսա որ Անդրանիկի դու ես ներբեռնել և որպես աղբյուր նշել ես 1990թ. հայկակական պաստառ: Կխնդրեի այս նկարի ավելի մեծ տարբերակը ներբեռնել, եթե իհարկե հնարավոր է: Շնորհակալ եմ: --Yerevanci (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ողջույն Երևանցի։ Սիրով կանեի, ցավոք չունեմ բնօրինակը, իսկ համացանցում գտած ամենամեծ տարբերակը այս էր։ -- va c  io  20:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Լավ, ամեն դեպքում շնորհակալ եմ: --Yerevanci (talk) 21:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Armenian help needed
Hello Vacio, I'm contacting you because we need some Armenian translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on hy.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need assistance with a personal message for the Armenian Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Lounge
 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages
 * -- 19:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to collaborate on property insurance page.
As a new contributor to Wikipedia I am looking to further understand the protocol of improving pages. I've been advised to find more experienced community members to help with the next level of edits. Please let me know if you'd be interested in sharing your knowledge and experience with me on this or any other page you have worked on.Lgkkitkat (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Need your help by Hewsen
Barev! Could you please quote on this statement: here The district has close to 750 Armenian cultural monuments, which include monasteries, churches, chapels, fortresses, khachkars and inscriptions.[4] The most well-known is the monasteries of Dadivank and Gandzasar.[4]. This was your edit. Thanks--NikolayLukas

Aghoghlan Gate
Hello! Vacio, could you please set true coordinates of the gates? Those in article are not correct: even transposing longitude and lattitude gives point near Shusha, but in the wild place. Your photo gave me the hope. Shogiru-r (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Category:Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Artsakh has been nominated for deletion
Category:Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Artsakh has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Kpratter (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)