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Articles for deletion/St.Aengus
OK, I haven't a clue how to maneauver around this wikiproject; however, I just added the said article to the afd at Articles for deletion/St.Aengus. As I know nothing about Irish soccer, i thought I would solicit some more professional advise on if it's notable or not. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 06:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Sinn Féin categories
I can see a reason for having (at least?) 2 categories here. One for SF 1880-1940 (or whatever) and the second for current SF. The rationale here as will be seen in the SF article, is that there have been many splits and forks along the way (Dev to FF, the stickies, etc). But I have no objection, if the consensus is so, to lumping them all together in one. But then we need to decide if Dev and Grizzly are in the same cat. Frelke 07:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if you had a category for SF politicians from 1880-1940 and the another for thereafter. They should both be under the same umbrella of SF Politicans, either that or just have I single category, or have one for SF, PSF and RSF. Vintagekits 18:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why 1880? Why 1940? The party was only founded in 1905, and 1940 seems a very arbitrary cut-off point.--Damac 21:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I didnt choose those years, see the post above. Vintagekits 22:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

GAA wikiproject
Hi we over at WP:GAA are in need of some help sourceing an image of a irish rounders match to add to the rounders article and finish our gaelic games collage Image:GAACollage.png. If anyone know of where a copyright free image of rounder can be found please let me know. Thanks (Gnevin 18:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

Troubles categories
Some categories that need changed: Raising this here first to avoid the protracted CFD discussion last time these issues were raised. Thoughts? Stu  ’Bout ye!  16:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Northern Irish murderers - I would propose that the only articles in this category be ones unrelated to the Troubles. ie, none at the minute. POV nightmare otherwise.
 * Category:Northern Irish terrorists should be depopulated, there are categories for each organisation.
 * Category:Assassinated Northern Irish people needs to be deleted entirely, it is wholly POV. The articles in this category can be easily recategorised correctly.
 * Category:Loyalist murder victims should be renamed in line with the IRA and security services categories. ie Category:People killed by Loyalist paramilitaries.
 * No comments? Stu   ’Bout ye!  11:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 29 Stu   ’Bout ye!  17:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree - its always going to be POV--Vintagekits 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

To Do
Its late. I can't find it, but shouldn't there be a link to the to do list from the project page? Am I missing something ? Frelke 22:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

RTÉ Lyric FM and RTÉ lyric fm articles
I have put a merge tag on these two articles, with the suggestion that RTÉ lyric fm be merged into RTÉ Lyric FM.Of course, RTÉ lyric fm should become a redirect page. Flowerpotman 00:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not required that a discussion or vote be held for a merger. A consensus is however ideal in ambiguous or controversial cases. Djegan 18:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup. Per Djegan, in this case (where there is obviously a "mistake", and only one article is required), you can just go ahead and merge without discussion. Guliolopez 19:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I admit I thought it was an obvious redirect, but for the fact that RTE have used the lower case version of the name themselves.(Slight POVishness on my part: RTE should be consistent with their usage on the RTE site.)Flowerpotman 20:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Rochfortbridge
This article is shit. And every time I mark it for clean-up it gets reverted. Can someone deal?--Docg 01:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Articles for Irish provincial rugby union teams
I previously posted this comment at the talk page for WikiProject Rugby Union, but got no response, so I'm putting the same question again to the regional notice boards. Currently there are no separate articles for the Leinster, Ulster, Connacht and Munster teams; rather, each team is included on the article for the relevant branch of the Irish Rugby Football Union (ie Leinster Rugby, Ulster Rugby, Connacht Rugby and Munster Rugby. Would it not be neater to move the team information into separate articles? --Kwekubo 14:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ireland / Republic of Ireland
Recently, I had some collision with user:Bastin8 on Template:Nationalanthemsofeurope regarding the name of the country. He mentioned some wikipedia's convention, which I after superficial search didn't find any evidence for. In vast majority of navigational templates, though, Ireland is referred to as Ireland and not Republic of Ireland. I'd greatly appreciate if some of Irish Wikipedians could clarify this issue. Regards, --132.73.80.97 07:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Reference deletion

 * For the record, I'm reposting this conversation from my talk page here. Any comments welcome. Stu   ’Bout ye!  13:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Stu, I'm not going to get int oa mass brawl with you today as I think the past few days has zapped my energy, however, can you explain under what section of WP:RS you felt you could delete thoses sources.--Vintagekits 11:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There are other concerns, such as some of them are blogs, but it basically comes down to neutral point of view. Websites such as troopsoutmovement, relativesforjustice and An Phoblacht can in no way be described as neutral. Stu   ’Bout ye!  12:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I take your point with blogs, but with regards troopsoutmovement, relativesforjustice and An Phoblacht etc can you show me the exact section from WP:RS that you are citing for deletion of these references. When dealing with republicans and republican issues you are joining to have to cite sources which you percieve as overtly republican.--Vintagekits 12:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Relevant sections are:
 * "Using reliable sources assures the reader that what is being presented meets the Wikipedia standards for verifiability, originality, and neutrality."
 * "Bias of the originator about the subject".
 * "Recognition by other reliable sources — A source may be considered more reliable if another source which is generally considered reliable cites or recommends it. Sources which have been attacked, or have rarely or never been cited, may be more suspect."
 * "A self-published source is a published source that has not been subject to any form of independent fact-checking, or where no one stands between the writer and the act of publication."

While only an essay, Independent sources is also relevant here. "Any article on a topic is required to cite a reliable source independent of the topic itself, to warrant that an article on the topic can be written from a neutral point of view and not contain original research."

If I was being cynical, I would suggest you were only using these kind of sources so that you can link to them from the articles to further your impressively determined mission on Wikipedia.

I think if you looked hard enough you could probably find independant references anyway. Stu  ’Bout ye!  14:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I will go through the points you made above later but let me just clear this up first - Are you proposing a blanket ban on any material from those websites no matter what the content or the reference?--Vintagekits 14:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to an event specifically about An Phoblacht then that's ok. But if you're talking about a general historical event, then a neutral and independant source should be used. Stu   ’Bout ye!  15:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Stu, unless you can come up with a source which discredits the sources I have you used then they are allowed, An P and Tirghra and referenced and used as sources of information by many, I think you are possibly stating this because you percieve them to be biased, there is a big different between a potentially biased source and an unreliable source, please reread WP:RS, infact in that policy it stated


 * "Bias of the originator about the subject—If an author has some reason to be biased, or admits to being biased, this should be taken into account when reporting his or her opinion. This is not to say that the material is not worthy of inclusion, but please take a look at our policy on Neutral point of view."--Vintagekits 09:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't have to provide a source which discredits them, they discredit themselves. Again, I stress that sources have to be neutral and independant. An P, rfj, Tirghra etc are in no way neutral or independant. Also, the fact that other people are using them as sources has nothing to do with Wikipedia using them as sources. Just becasue others use them, doesn't mean it is ok to use them here. Stu  ’Bout ye!  11:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I.R.A. WikiProject?
Hi all, I'm rather new to the Wiki (just joined up a few days ago), but the whole WikiProject concept seems like an effective tool for gathering a group of people together to work on a specific subject. I'm primarily interested in contributing to areas related to Irish nationalism, and the Irish Republican Army, and I've noticed a few of you have quite a lot of involvement in the same area. So, I wonder if anyone would be interested in forming a WikiProject focusing on Irish Nationalism? Wikipeda:WikiProject Irish Republican Army seems like a good title to me! WP:WPIRA would be a great shortcut! I'm posting this up on many different pages, so I would especially appreciate it if, if you're interested, you would join me at User talk:Johnathan Swift.  Erin Go Bragh  06:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Irish Republican Army [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|20 px]] Erin Go Bragh  09:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Swinford
The Swinford article has been the target of some attempts at humour and vandalism lately. My limited understanding of this is that the town was mentioned on some television comedy show. The article was recently semi-protected too. Could someone check the article's contents to make sure everything there is proper and accurate? Robotman1974 10:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Need Irish Wikipedians to talk to Irish Independent
Hi, My name is Sandy - Just started working as communications manager for Wikimedia Foundation. The Irish Independent is looking for wikpedians in Ireland to interview. If someone is interested, could you please send me an email at sordonez@wikimedia.org. 2/12/07. WikiBlue

Dispute regarding treaties relevant to the formation of the United Kingdom
There is currently a dispute going on at the Template talk:UKFormation which regard the inclusion of treaties specific to England within the template which aims to display the treaties leading to the formation of the United Kingdom i.e. the Union of Parliaments and Union of Crowns before that. Comment upon the dispute is needed so that a consensus may be reached. siarach 04:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Tidy and Template
As you'll proberly notice i took the liberty of WP:Be bold and tidied up the board which was very messy i hope no one objects (Gnevin 19:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC))
 * I like it!! Good job ... :) - Alison✍ 19:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Need Irish Wikipedians to talk to Irish Independent
Hi, My name is Sandy - Just started working as communications manager for Wikimedia Foundation. The Irish Independent is looking for wikpedians in Ireland to interview. If someone is interested, could you please send me an email at sordonez@wikimedia.org. 2/12/07. WikiBlue

Dispute regarding treaties relevant to the formation of the United Kingdom
There is currently a dispute going on at the Template talk:UKFormation which regard the inclusion of treaties specific to England within the template which aims to display the treaties leading to the formation of the United Kingdom i.e. the Union of Parliaments and Union of Crowns before that. Comment upon the dispute is needed so that a consensus may be reached. siarach 04:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC) (Gnevin 19:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC))