Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Archive 17

Assistance required to end deadlock in merger proposal discussion
I've been editing the articles relating to the Scythians over the course of several months, and since most editors tend to favour splitting pages after they reach a certain size, I split two further pages, Iškuza and Scythia, covering the phases of Scythian history respectively in West Asia and in Europe, out of the main page covering the Scythians.

However, trying to split it has resulted into three articles, with both Iškuza and Scythia requiring large amounts of material regarding the role of the prior and subsequent histories of the Scythians in the creation and destruction of those states copied from each other and from the Scythians page to exist since they are both about immediately preceding/succeeding states created by the same continuous population group. And because Iškuza and Scythia both cover immediately preceding/succeeding but also partially overlapping parts of the history of the Scythians, multiple sections and sub-sections of each page covering the culture, population, external relations, etc of these states also had to be copied from the Scythians page (e.g. the "Background" sub-section and "Society" section in Scythia, and the "Origins," "Impact," and "Legacy" sections of Iškuza). Moreover, the Scythia page as it exists now also functions as a WP:Semi-duplicate, given that most of the information relating to this polity also is also the same basic information that is required on the Scythians page.

Given this resulting situation, I have started a merger proposal to resolve this issue, per WP:MERGEREASON: Overlap, Context, not because I support a merger for the sake of merging itself, which I do not favour, but because Iškuza and Scythia require too much context and the information on these pages is too intertwined with each other.

The problem is that, despite months having passed, the discussion for the merger proposal is still at a deadlock, with three users opposed to the merger, and three users (including myself) in favour of it. In this difficult situation, I have been advised to bring this issue to the various WikiProjects which are relevant to Scythians as a way to possibly resolve the deadlock, and all good faith assistance to reach a consensus would be much welcome. Antiquistik (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Shaun King
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Shaun King. Wes sideman (talk) 14:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Feedback needed at Chin people
The article Chin people is in quite a mess after years of POV edits, and it's not clear what the best path forward may be. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Chin people. Mathglot (talk) 23:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:Anti-white racism has been nominated for discussion
Category:Anti-white racism has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ashkali and Balkan Eygptians: association with the Roma
Hi. Could you please have a look at Talk:Ashkali and Balkan Egyptians and provide a comment? Thank you. --TadejM my talk 09:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for African Americans in Omaha, Nebraska
African Americans in Omaha, Nebraska has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

RfC about WP:COP-HERITAGE
See Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people

WP:FORUMSHOPPING to overturn prior Categories for Discussion results concerning overcategorization by ethnicity. This would change to "at least one" (from zero or one), a major shift for descent and diaspora categories contrary to 18 years of documented guidelines. Most biographies should have zero descent categories, as Categorization of people are sufficient. Some may have one, but there has never been a documented need for two or more, and certainly never "at least one". It could explode the number of such categories. William Allen Simpson (talk) 07:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Strange Titling of Diaspora
Earlier today I stumbled upon Lebanese Brazilians, which was at the time titled "Lebanese People in Brazil." I decided to change it as it seemed strange and ambiguous (it could be interpreted as any Lebanese person in Brazil and not just Brazilians of Lebanese descent.) After doing this to two more pages I noticed that lot of pages are titled with the "_____ people in _____" format and I figured I should comment here before mass moving the rest. I've also brought this up at Wikiproject Lebanon. Flalf Talk 19:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Odd & atypical photo of Zuni girl
The photo of the girl in hijab seems to have an Islamic extremist message. I have searched for online photos of Zuni women. None look like this eccentric lady. is more like it. 2601:C4:C300:2890:AC4D:7A45:F58D:BECE (talk) 23:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Manipur violence/Archive 1
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Manipur violence/Archive 1 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Merging Genocide of the Ingrian Finns into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns
There is currently a discussion ongoing on whether to merge Genocide of the Ingrian Finns back into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns underway here, for which further input would be very valuable. Felix QW (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Primos (TV series)
You are invited to join a discussion at Talk:Primos (TV series) about how much emphasis to put onto the "controversy" surrounding the series' following release of its opening sequence on social media and YouTube. This WikiProject received this message because Primos is an upcoming animated series, which centers on a multicultural Mexican-American family. Comments would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:Arabs has been nominated for renaming
Category:Arabs, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Al-Andalusi (talk) 21:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 1
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 1 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:National identity
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:National identity that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Dispute resolution needed for British Indians article
Talk:British_Indians me and another user where having a back and forth about the validity of certain sources on the British Indians article about whether they are valid in explaining the current issues of British Indians as a whole, however and judging by the fact he suddenly stopped making edits since the 5th of August and the fact the users name is a light pink I assume he is banned, therefore I am requesting if anyone here would be interested in talking about this issue Raguzz (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * is not blocked or banned, . Their username appears in red because they don't have a user page - the same is the case for you. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, still, the user hasn't been engaging with me on the article talk page Raguzz (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

New Wikidata property for tribe
As the Wikidata WikiProject Ethnicity seems dormant, I wanted to inform you here that I've created a property for the tribe of an individual. It should be used with discretion, which is why I hope you'll participate in helping us define its constraints and show use cases. Feel free to add your comments to the Wikidata talk page. Jonathan Groß (talk) 08:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Should Ethnic minorities in Fooland be renamed to just Minorities in Fooland?
Why do we need the adjective 'ethnic'? Seems like an unnecessary clarification. See also Talk:Foreigners_in_Korea for some context. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Clarification Request: Discrepancy in the Representation of Skin Tones in Mexico
Hello members of the WikiProject Ethnic groups, I am writing to seek your assistance in addressing a matter of accuracy and representation in a Wikipedia article related to ethnicity and skin tones in Mexico.Talk:White Mexicans - Wikipedia

There is an ongoing discussion on the article's talk page concerning a statistic claiming that 47% of Mexicans have light skin (this is the actual document that have this reference a Encuesta Nacional sobre Discriminación en México 2010. Upon closer examination, it appears that the source cited for this statistic does not explicitly state this percentage. A user claims that in the page 7 said this, but Instead, it mentions that 54% of women and 40% of men self-identify as having the three lightest skin tones on a scale of 9. (you can find this values in this source Enadis-2010-RG-Accss-002.pdf (conapred.org.mx) page 40 and 41). The claim about 47% seems to be derived from a simple average of these percentages, which may not accurately represent the data. In addition to not correctly specifying the number of people, this user indicates that 47% of Mexicans are light-skinned instead of indicating that "they choose the 3 lightest tones of a scale of 9 colors), and in the development of the article indicates that up to 47% of Mexicans are white, because according to him, having a European phenotype is synonymous with being white. No academic publication supports this.

I believe that it's essential to maintain accurate and well-sourced information on Wikipedia, and I have concerns about the accuracy of this particular claim. Unfortunately, I am currently blocked from reply his remarks and cannot directly address this issue. Therefore, I am reaching out to you, experts in this field, for assistance.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and for your dedication to maintaining the quality and accuracy of information on Wikipedia.

Kodosbs (talk) 23:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Afro-textured hair
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Afro-textured hair that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 15:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lurs
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lurs that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   17:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

MoS discussion about "Caucasian" to mean "White"
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Any interest in improving a draft?
I've been going through the AfC drafts and came across Draft:Interracial friendships. The topic has definite merit, however the article is written with a persuasive tone. There also seems to be a reliance on research studies (as opposed to literature reviews that cover said studies and put them in a wider context). It feels too much like a research paper on the topic.

This was part of a classroom assignment so the editors in question may not be around to work on this. Does this topic sound like anything anyone would be interested in? If so, would you be interested in editing the article or using the draft as a jumping off point for a new page? I'd do it but I'm on so sporadically nowadays I don't know if I would be able to keep up with it. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  18:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I would say this looks like a pretty promising draft... although I can agree with you that it should be better written. There are MANY examples of this in fiction, but I think it would also need to be differentiated from Interracial marriage, somewhere. Historyday01 (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 17:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Kurds "Iranian ethnic group" RFC
Editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kurds. Levivich (talk) 00:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Han Chinese people
FYI, han chinese people has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 07:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

People of China
FYI has been proposed to be merged to  -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 06:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

"Danish America" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danish_America&redirect=no Danish America] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 23:33, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Peranakans
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peranakans that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Kiga people
Hello, WikiProject,

I originally went to the relevant African Wikiproject but they didn't seem active at all which lead me here. I was reviewing an article about a cultural custom of the Bakiga people but when I went to check out that article it turns out that it is just a redirect to this article, Kiga people. But the term Bakiga is used throughout the article, such as it is. So, I was wondering if this article should be retitled but there has been no activity on the article talk page for years and years. Any one know anything about cultural/ethnic groupings and how they are named? Thanks for any help you can supply. Liz Read! Talk! 02:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Mika Tosca
Discussion on if something she wrote on Instagram should be mentioned in the article. It's Gaza-war related, your opinion is welcome at Talk:Mika_Tosca. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Aymara people
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Aymara people that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 13:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

french quebecers
has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans
There is a merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Eyes on Ugrians
I would like to invite some uninvolved editor(s) to evaluate a recent revert at Ugrians. There is also some discussion at the talk page. Thanks! Jähmefyysikko (talk) 13:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested edit discussion at Talk:Ashkenazi Jews
Two edit requests (1) (2) on the Ashkenazi Jews claim that the population in question has little-to-no ethnic relation to "Germans and other Germanic peoples," contrary to the page's content. Thus, the concerned details should be removed from the infobox.

However, the topic seems to be under-researched. Furthermore, the issue is nuanced in a variety of ways. It is unclear how much relation between the ethnicities should be proven in order to be faithfully mentioned in the infobox, or whether the infobox should be displaying information of this complexity to begin with.

Neither request has provided their own sources until now, but the burden of proof may be of issue, and a larger problem may still be at hand here.

Feel free to contribute to the discussion and help us decide whether or not the requested edit is actionable.

Original sources found on page: Other potentially relevant sources: If you'd like to reply, you can continue the discussion here: Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2024 (2).
 * A History of the Jewish People
 * European Population Genetic Substructure: Further Definition of Ancestry Informative Markers for Distinguishing Among Diverse European Ethnic Groups
 * Genome-wide data from medieval German Jews show that the Ashkenazi founder event pre-dated the 14th century

Thank you!

— Urro[ talk ] [ edits ] 14:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Tejanos
The Tejanos article originally defined Tejanos as Texans who trace their heritage back to the original Spanish/Mexican inhabitants of Texas (before Texas became a U.S. state), or Texans who are of Mexican descent. This seems to be supported by most academic sources on this topic. However, a user insists on redefining them as "Spanish Creoles from Texas". The problem is, "Spanish Creole" seems to be a rather ambiguous term that isn't commonly associated with Tejanos. The provided source for this claim defines them as "Mexican Texans"; the specific term "Spanish Creole" doesn't seem to be mentioned in the source. I would like to know if anyone is able to offer insight on this. Gardeka (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)