Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finland/Archive 2

Draft:Disability in Finland
Please feel free to contribute to this draft. It is a basic overview of disability in Finland. The current section headings in the draft broadly follow the established pattern in many other Disability by country articles. Good up-to-date sources for the various subtopics are particularly welcome. I don't know Finnish at all so I'm probably missing some good ones. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing the page
Hello!

We are a group of students from Uppsala University, Sweden, taking the course Ecological Effects of Climate Change. We just wanted you to know that we are currently working on a project where we are editing the page Climate Change in Finland.

Best regards, The team — Preceding unsigned comment added by LawrenceB1997 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Translation help please
Are there any fluent Finnish speakers please because Irreligion in Finland was tranlated from its finnsh counterpart and some of it doesn't make sense in English so any help would be welcomed. Dwanyewest (talk) 13:32, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Juha Sipilä article "Controversies"
I'd appreciate some help and input in Juha Sipilä's article's talk page. --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 10:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Further input at Juha Sipilä's article would be appreciated. Thank you! --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

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Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

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Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Finish museums on the List of music museums
Hi there, I have introduced the List of music museums, and a few Finish museums are written in Finish but not in English. Are there users at this project that like to write these articles? When you make use of references, I will translate these articles to Dutch language too. :-) Best regards, Ymnes (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Cheers, Number   5  7  15:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Sámi vs. Sami vs. Saami
Please see: Talk:Kildin Sami orthography – multi-page RM primarily about diacritics in an endonym. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot Beta
Hello! Your WikiProject has been selected to participate in the WP 1.0 Bot rewrite beta. This means that, starting in the next few days or weeks, your assessment tables will be updated using code in the new bot, codenamed Lucky. You can read more about this change on the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team page. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for comments: 1978 Finnish Air Force DC-3 crash
I have started a request for comments on the choice of images used in the article 1978 Finnish Air Force DC-3 crash. Participants of this project may be interested in the discussion and are invited to offer their opinion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Lauri Arajuuri AFD
Finnish film actor. I suspect that there is a language and cross cultural problem that hinders finding sources on him. Any links to Finnish newspapers or magazines archives for the late 1970s? 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 01:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Markku Laakso
Would be fantastic if some native Finnish-speakers could translate the page on Finnish WP to the English one...cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Finland and Scandinavia?
Are there any guidelines when it's appropriate (if at all) to include Finland as part of Scandinavia, because sometimes I see edits like this, this, and this that either removes or adds Finland/Finns from/to articles and categories. According to the article Scandinavia, Finland is sometimes seen as a Scandinavian country, especially in many English-speaking countries. Would love to have Scandinavia and Finland or something that redirects to guidelines concerning this subject. 85.76.148.186 (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Geographic names when Finland was under Swedish rule (and Swedish was the sole official language of government)
Naming_conventions_(geographic_names): Article titles should be in the majority language (Finnish or Swedish) of the province, municipality, region or sub-region, unless there is a well-established name in English. But what about historical context? Should Swedish names be used primarily over Finnish ones when writing about historical Finnish subjects when Finland was under Swedish rule? I mean even when referring to places where Finnish was the majority language of the population? For example Mikael Agricola now uses both: Swedish first: Nyland (Uusimaa) ... Viborg (Viipuri) and Finnish: Uusimaa (Nyland) ... Turku (Åbo) ... Uusikirkko. Another example, Klaus Fleming: Finnish: Pohja and Swedish: Pojo. 85.76.3.104 (talk) 16:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Sanna Marin
Would be great to flesh out the article on Sanna Marin who is about to be sworn in as the world's youngest serving prime minister. Many of the current refs are in Finnish so I cannot read them. Funcrunch (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

FIN-A36b-Finlands Bank-20 Markkaa (1862).jpg}} to appear as POTD soon
Hello! This is a note to let the editors in WikiProject Finland know that File: will be appearing as picture of the day on January 13, 2020. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2020-01-13. I am posting here in the hope that someone who speaks the language will be able to confirm whether the text on the reverse of the note is in Russian and Swedish, or in Russian and Finnish. Swedish seems to have been the official language in Finland at the time and "TJUGU" means twenty in Swedish but not in Finnish (I think). Thanks! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Juminkeko Foundation review
Hello,

I have been advised to get in contact with the WikiProject Finland for a focused expertise on the article about the Juminkeko Foundation in English. Here is the draft that has been rejected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Juminkeko_Foundation

I see that there are some problems with the sources. First of all the reviewers do not speak Finnish and I quoted some Finnish newspapers with articles in Finnish. Secondly the articles are from the '90s and there is no web version of them, it is indeed difficult to prove their truthfulness although they exist! A couple of articles quoting Juminkeko are online (MTV Uutinen and Yle), but in Finnish.

Another problem is the style of the article. I have been told that it appears more like an advertisement although I read it again and it seems unbiased to me. There are just some basic info about the Foundation, the building, the aims and the projects. I do not know how to make it better. Does anyone have any piece of advice?

Thank you.

Regards, Giuliasantelli (talk) 14:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * This discussion page is quite dead; you might want to try fi:Wikipedia:Lähetystö or fi:Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (Wikipedian käytön neuvonta) instead. 85.76.16.175 (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * After I did some copyediting and added some things, the draft looks ok - I didin't find any advertising in it. Maybe ask from its reviewer User:SL93 for more details. 85.76.16.175 (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me. “Aims at” sounds promotional. If someone can get across the organization’s mission without using that, I will approve the draft. SL93 (talk) 22:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have accepted it. SL93 (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Karelian Brotherhood
This stub could use some work. Bearian (talk) 01:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Finnish flood myth
Please fix this. Thank you in advance. Bearian (talk) 20:46, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Reassesment of Thomas (bishop of Finland)
Thomas (bishop of Finland), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Article title on Cardamom bread/Pulla?
Anyone care to chime in on what title to use?

Talk:Cardamom bread

Thanks!  Mbinebri  talk &larr; 20:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Finnish Lutheran priests has been nominated for discussion
Category:Finnish Lutheran priests has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. TSventon (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest
After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Finland.--Ipigott (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Finnish-fluent person needed
...to fix Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim article, addressing matters raised at Talk:Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim. --Doncram (talk) 19:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Languages in Uusimaa: French?!?
Please see my comment on Talk:Uusimaa. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 18:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Highest railway in Finland?
If you know the answer, make sure to add it to relevant wiki pages, especially to List of highest railways by country. Thanks! Zach (Talk) 21:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

V. J. Sukselainen needs work
This article on a man who was Finland's Prime Minister twice is embarrassingly bad.4meter4 (talk) 22:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Origin of the name Kven
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Origin of the name Kven that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -Killarnee ( C•T•U ) 21:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ferratum
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ferratum that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 14:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Islam in Finland has an RFC
Islam in Finland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

RM: Kuokkala (district of Jyväskylä)
An editor has requested for Kuokkala (district of Jyväskylä) to be moved to another page. Since you had some involvement with Kuokkala (district of Jyväskylä), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Havelock Jones (talk) 10:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Need help with Väki
I kind of need some help with this draft I am working on called Draft talk:Väki. The topic is notable and there are a decent amount of sources on this.CycoMa (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

The fi-en-fi translations of mythological beings is quite challenging. I bounced into this while someone wanted to add "hiisi" to the General Finnish Ontology YSO. I had a look and could not find a direct answer. Väki may be considered by some more as "a power" insteand of "a being" and then goblin might not be the correct translation. I'm not sure if it helps, but you migh have a look at my preliminary comments there: https://github.com/Finto-ehdotus/YSE/issues/9510 Saarik (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Haukilahti
I have significantly expanded the article Haukilahti based on the Finnish Wikipedia article fi:Haukilahti. Isn't it time already to replace the old "stub" rating from thirteen and a half years ago with a refreshed rating? J I P &#124; Talk 03:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've given it a B. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Translation of sotakorkeakoulu
I've been updating a bunch of Finnish WP:MILHIST bios, and there seems to be some inconsistency in how "sotakorkeakoulu" is translated to English. A bunch of individual bios use "war college", as does National Defence University (Finland). But Finnish Defence Forces uses. Does anyone have English language references that would favor one translation over the other? -Ljleppan (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Mika Salo paid editing
Please see Talk:Mika Salo – some input would be helpful from people familiar with the subject. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Kaisaniementie, street in Helsinki?
Hey, Finland specialists! We have Wikidata:Kaisaniementie, is this a hoax street? Eg Commons:Category:Kaisaniementie says also that "Suomi: Kaisaniementie on katu Helsingissä (HUOM: Voi olla virheellinen katu!)"--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This turned out to be surprisingly complicated. There are a few location names that sound very similar but are relevant for this discussion: Kaisaniemi is both a bay and an adjoining cape/park/sports field/green space with a botanical garden in central Helsinki. The park is flanked by roads to the west, north and east. The largest of these roads, to the east, is unambiguously Kaisaniemenkatu, and is relevant only as a potential source of confusion. In current maps, including both Google Maps and the National Land Survey of Finland, the other two roads (that are connected by a curve) are labeled Kaisaniemenranta (north side, between the park and the bay, lit. Kaisaniemi beach/shore [road]) and Kaisaniemen puistokuja (west side, lit. Kaisaniemi park lane). The National Land Survey of Finland does not recognize a road by the name Kaisaniementie in Helsinki.
 * At the same time, there seems to have been historically a road by that name. I found a city of Helsinki building plan document that labels the address of the Kaisaniemi park's sports field and related structures as "Kaisaniementie 1–3". There's also a 2015 news article which states the Kaisaniemi park sports field is located at Kaisaniementie 2. Finally, a rather old page on the Helsinki City Museum website lists the address of a now-closed restaurant that is located in the curve joining Kaisaniemenranta and Kaisaniemen puistokuja as Kaisaniementie 6. The are also other, but less reliable sources, indicating that the restaurant has at least at some point used the Kaisaniementie address. Finally, Google Maps knows Kaisaniemen puistotie by the alias Kaisaniementie (see ). Based on the above, it seems that Kaisaniementie is likely not a "hoax" per se, but instead an older/alternative name for the road that is currently officially known as Kaisaniemen puistokuja. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * excellent work, user:Ljleppan!--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Kaari Utrio novels
Hi. I came across a number of articles about novels by Kaari Utrio; basically all the blue links at Kaari Utrio. They have a number of things in common: all consist of one line of text and an infobox, are unsourced and tagged for notability since 2012, and lack an entry on the Finnish Wikipedia. It doesn't appear to me that any of these pass WP:NBOOK, but I can't be sure without access to potential Finnish coverage that might exist. Can anyone check whether any of these articles do have significant coverage and are worth keeping/improving? If not, I propose redirecting all of them to Kaari Utrio. Lennart97 (talk) 09:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * One user seems to have added some references at least to one of the articles: . As far as I can see, all the novels by Kaari Utrio would fullfill the the notability criteria of WP:NBOOK because for sure all of the novels and non fiction books by Utrio have recieved wide and independent publicity. Another question is if anyone is going to write more about the books in en-wikipedia or if anyone is going to add references to the rest of the articles as well. The lack of articles in Finnish language Wikipedia is simply due to the fact that someone has happend to create the articles here and not in fi-Wikipedia.--Urjanhai (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I also added some sources to Tuulihaukka. As 22 of these books are from the late 20th century and three from the early 2000s, it's not easy to find sources online. Yksisarvinen is one of her most important works and yet that article was deleted two years ago even though that article seemed to pass the WP:NBOOK criterion "book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself". So, I'm unsure if I should continue finding sources for these articles, if they just get removed/redirected even after if they pass some of the WP:NBOOK criteria. --JAAqqO (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * JAAqqO, thank you for your efforts so far. That deletion discussion resulted in a "soft delete" basically because no one showed up to really argue for the article to be kept, so I wouldn't worry too much about that; in fact, I do encourage you to add sources to more of these articles if you can, and remove the notability tags once you feel that NBOOK is met. Ideally, it would be great if they can be expanded in such a way that they are no longer WP:PLOTONLY, but simply adding some good sources to the article is the first step to get there. Lennart97 (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The Sources exist for sure, so the only thing that is required is to dig up them if only someone has the possibility to do that. Some newspapers (or at least Helsingin Sanomat) have online archives that can be accessed by subscribers and in public librariers or at the national library the rest of newspapers and magazines can be accessed either in printed form or in microfilm. (With some effort, of course.) And Especially, as Kaari Utrio is one of the most notable writers of this literaty genre in Finland, there for sure is a lot about her books even in research litterature, interviews, biographies etc.--Urjanhai (talk) 10:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Rename articles about uezds for consistency
I’m proposing renaming every article in the form of, for example, Akhtyrka Uyezd → Akhtyrka Uezd, to match the spelling of the renamed main article Uezd. Please discuss at talk:Uezd. —Michael Z. 22:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kanssallissosialisti (publication)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kanssallissosialisti (publication) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 17:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Finnish boxer at AfD
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Veikko Huuskonen at AfD
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Template talk:Universities and polytechnics in Uusimaa
There is a requested move discussion at Template talk:Universities and polytechnics in Uusimaa that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 19:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Finnish Civil War
I have nominated Finnish Civil War for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Short translation (30 seconds)
Need to know what "Camilla ja Dream Girl ovat kaamean materiaalin jälkeen siedettävämpiä biisejä, mutta vasta I Can Walk On Water sieppaa mukaansa." mean from this article. Eurohunter (talk) 23:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It means that the song grabs you. --JAAqqO (talk) 08:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Eurohunter (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments on KWH Group?
Someone added warning tags on KWH Group article ten(!) years ago. The user is no more active on Wikipedia, so I could not get feedback if the tags are still needed. So could some of you check the status and give feedback if something should be changed? Jjanhone (talk) 11:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Is Kaarina, Finland, named after Saint Catherine of Alexandria?
I have no familarity with reliable Finnish sources or any idea how to read the language, but I was wondering if maybe someone who does could verify or remove the content that's at Saint Catherine of Alexandria? My best guess was that people aren't likely to write about something like this in English apart from travel guides, but imo there should be a better source than that. Clover moss (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The information is correct. The Finnish form of Catherine is Katariina or Kaarina, and the name of the town is derived from St. Catherine’s Church and its parish. These sources could be useful:, . --Silvonen (talk) 05:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! Clover moss  (talk) 15:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed modifications to the WikiProject:Finland assessment process
I have three proposals for changes to the WP:FINLAND assessment process that I'd like to hear the others' thoughts on. Please see the following subsections. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 1: Explicitly criteria-based B-class assessment
The quality scale already refers to the six B-class criteria. In some other WikiProjects, articles are explicitly evaluated against these (or similar) criteria, with the relevant WikiProject talk page templates having parameters for the various criteria. Examples include WikiProject Military History and WikiProject Germany, which evaluate against a five-criteria version of the B-class criteria (See WikiProject Germany/Assessment/B-Class and WikiProject Military history/Assessment/B-Class. This has be benefit of making the B-class evaluation more transparent for both the evaluators and the article contributors.

With this background, I propose that the WikiProject Finland banner be modified to accept parameters for b1 through b5 (as per the linked WikiProjects) or b1 through b6 (as per the global B-class criteria), and B-class assessment be tied directly to the fulfillment of these criteria. Given that b1-b5 appears to be more common in other WikiProjects, I'd personally be inclined to go for that. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 2: Clearer definition of C-class
The more detailed criteria section presently defines C-class as it fails one or more of the criteria for B-Class. As defined now, the distinction between C-class and Start-class articles is somewhat vague.

I propose the C-class definition be written as fails one of the B-class criteria, removing the or more aspect and clarifying the distinction between C-class and Start-class. This would broadly follow the definitions used in WikiProject Military history/Assessment and WikiProject Germany/Assessment. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 3: Refresh assessment example articles, and link to specific versions
Currently, the example articles for the various assessments are linked without reference to specific versions of the articles. This is problematic if the article is improved significantly after it is chosen as an example.

In addition, the examples should be refreshed to show a relatively minimal level required. For example, the current B-class example of Helsinki is massive, at some 27 pages long if printed. Clearly this level of depth is not required for B-class in general.

As such, I propose that the example articles be both refreshed to reflect a "this is sufficient for this class" -level, and tied to specific article versions. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
I don't think there's a need for a formal RFC or anything like that, but I'd very much prefer to hear your thoughts on this matter. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Reassessment of Espoo?
I have done extensive work in expanding the article Espoo. It is now over 130 kilobytes long and has 130 references. I would like to request a reassessment of the article, if it could be promoted from C class to at least B class. J I P &#124; Talk 01:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Nice work and a massive improvement, especially in terms of referencing. There's still a bunch of paragraphs with no citations at all, so I don't think it's quite there yet w/r/t B-class criteria#1. Another thing that is not really a problem at B-class level, but worth considering if you intend to take this to GA: you'll probably want to consider being somewhat more aggressive with the summary style. The readable prose is currently at over 77kb (according to DYK Check) which is getting to a point where it's worth considering whether some ancellary aspects should be spun off to their won articles (See WP:SIZERULE for some rules of thumb). Ljleppan (talk) 06:23, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:People from Vyborg
I've been working on the categorisation of European people by city and I've come to Vyborg - about which I knew nothing, but I now understand that although it is now in Russia it was formerly in Finland, and so many of the biographies are quite properly described as Finnish. Although the articles rarely say so I assume most of these people moved into what is now Finland.

The normal way we deal with categories by city is for example by making Category:Writers from Vyborg a subcategory of Category:Russian writers by city. I've tried to deal with this by also making it a subcategory of Category:Finnish writers, but this doesnt seem very satisfactory. I'd like to know what people think of setting up separate categories for people from Viipuri, in the same way as we have dealt with Category:People from Kaliningrad and Category:People from Königsberg. I imagine there wasnt much continuity of population. Rathfelder Rathfelder (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Rathfelder: I think we already exchanged views on this topic earlier on either your talk page or mine, and IIRC it was about Viipuri specifically. :)
 * To start with your last point, virtually the entire population of the ceded or otherwise lost parts of Finland (mainly the Karelian Isthmus, the areas north of Lake Ladoga, and up north Salla and Petsamo) were evacuated into present-day Finland. I read somewhere that c. 400,000 were evacuated and less than 20 stayed behind; I don't know how reliable that (latter) figure is, but it is probably of the right order of magnitude.
 * Among those evacuees were members of one side of my family, and I can tell you that if they are anything to go by, they would be absolutely mortified to be described as anything other than Finnish (let alone Russian!), just because the part of Finland they originally come from may no longer be within the Finnish borders. For the same reason, they would probably expect to be categorised as 'people from Viipuri' etc., because that's what they were and are — people born and raised in Karelia, often with roots there going back centuries. So both 'Writers (or whatever) from Vyborg' and 'Finnish writers'. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Finnish houses in Poland
Pl wiki has an article that doesn't have English or Finnish equivalent, called "Finnish houses", about a type of Finnish-inspired housing in Poland. See pl:Domki fińskie (yes, it's in Polish, but Polish-to-English MT is very good these days and one click in Chrome, so...). Anyway, I wonder if there is a fi wiki article this can be connected to, or maybe someone here will be inspired to translate this to English and/or Finnish? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:16, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Merging Genocide of the Ingrian Finns into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns
There is currently a discussion ongoing on whether to merge Genocide of the Ingrian Finns back into Deportation of the Ingrian Finns underway here, for which further input would be very valuable. Felix QW (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Interested eyes needed on Simon Ekpa
Article could use checking so the sources are reliable, correctly used, and WP:BLPCRIME etc is followed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Mikkeli
Mikkeli has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Podcast
Does anyone have access to Arenan Poddar at arenan.yle.fi (Boten Anna och Leende brunögat)? Eurohunter (talk) 19:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

RfD on Finnish redirects that turn ä into ae
There is an ongoing discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7 on Finnish redirects that turn ä into ae that may be of interest to this wikiproject. TartarTorte 16:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Kummeli: Kultakuume
Would someone from this WikiProject mind taking a look at Kummeli: Kultakuume? It looks like it's been unreferenced since it was created back in 2008. I tried Googling for sources, but didn't find anything that might be considered WP:SIGCOV. Perhaps the film received significant coverage in Finland that would help establish that it meets WP:NFILM. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I added some sources to the article. --JAAqqO (talk) 09:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
 Hello WikiProject Finland:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about Ranskanleipä on Finnish Wikipedia
Hello, are Ranskanleipä on the Finnish Wikipedia (linked here) and Franskbröd on the Swedish Wikipedia (linked here) about the same kind of bread? I don't speak either Finnish or Swedish so I was hoping someone here can offer some insight. Thank you! BaduFerreira (talk) 21:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd say both refer to the same type of bread. For further evidence, Institute for the Languages of Finland's Finnish-Swedish online dictionary translates fi. ranskanleipä as sv. franskbröd. Ljleppan (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you @Ljleppan! BaduFerreira (talk) 11:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on talk page of article Nightwish
There is a discussion that has started on the talk page of Nightwish regarding if the band's upcoming touring hiatus should be referred to as either "hiatus" or "touring hiatus", and may be of interest for the members of this WikiProject. The discussion can be found at Talk:Nightwish. HorrorLover555 (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)