User talk:Cbl62/Archive 2011

Fred Green

Cbl, happy new year. When you get a chance, can you take a look at the merger proposal for Fred Green. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 08:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for chipping in here. I looked Warren up in the 1898 Michiganensian, thanks to your handy links from the Michigan football articles, and he is listed as "Class Athletic Manager". Jweiss11 (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 UM HoH class

See this year's class.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

John W. Hollister

Cbl62, when you get a chance take a look at John W. Hollister. I just did some expansion on this one and wanted to get your input regarding his playing at Michigan and piecing together all the elements of his career. The Beloit/Morningside coach looks like the same guy who played on the 1893 Michigan Wolverines football team and 1895 Michigan Wolverines football team: same full name with a connection to Beloit, Wisconsin, although his age is a couple years off in the 1896 Palladium versus this source [1]. The Beloit Hall of Honor source corroborates his attendance at Michigan, but the chronology looks pretty messy. I'm also not sure about his coaching at Ole Miss in 1896.

Also see this pic of Hollister and his three brothers in 1913: [2]; there seems to be a good resemblance between John Hollister there and in the 1895 Michigan team photos, considering 18 years of aging. His older brother, Charles M. Hollister, coached Beloit and Northwestern. There's also an obit for John Hollister in the Chicago Tribune here [3], but I don't have access to read it. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this one! Jweiss11 (talk) 22:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

William McCauley in the 1894 photo

Just noticed something pretty funny. Check out William McCauley in the 1894 Michigan Wolverines football team photo. I believe he's got a P on his shirt for his alma mater, Princeton. They couldn't find a shirt for him with a block M on it?! Imagine Bo posing for a team photo with one of his 70s Rose Bowl squads donning an OSU cap. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

BTW, on the topic of McCauley, any chance you can get an approx. DOB or DOD on him? Or atleast his full middle name? Connormah (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. Any chance you can find anything for Frank Barbour also? I've been looking all over for info on him. Connormah (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, sorry for the troubles...thanks for the updates, though, looks good. Connormah (talk) 23:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome job. Connormah (talk) 05:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

H. G. Hadden

Hi Cbl62...just wondering, do you have an Ancestry.com subscription? There's a WWI draft card for H. G. Hadden that most likely contains his DOB, but I can't access it - [4]. IF you do have a subscription, would you be so kind to get his DOB and add it to the article? Thanks. Connormah (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. Connormah (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, any chance you can check out this member family tree what has William McCauley on it? [5] It says it has 1 attached record and 2 sources, and it looks to have a full DOB...I know it's just a member tree, but possibly the sources may be acceptable for some info, eg. DOB? Just curious...I should think about getting a subscription. Connormah (talk) 18:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Interesting...yeah, it's a pretty common name - I contacted the Bentley Library again to see is they have any DOB info on him. Connormah (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Any chance you can also pull Ralph Warren (football)'s DOB out of [search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&qid=e5069e246e8344158904f55d85a6f602&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Ralph+Herbert&gsln=Warren&msbdy=1871&msddy=1928&cpxt=1&uidh=ah6&cp=0]? Thanks. Connormah (talk) 22:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Found a WWI draft card possibly on Isaac Seneca at [6] - can you have a look? Thanks. Connormah (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, a couple newspapers (through Ancestry) that may have stuff on Seneca: [7] [8] [9] [10] Connormah (talk) 04:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

The missing Dufek

Apparently there is another All-American, NFL Dufek brother. http://www.michigandaily.com/content/final-season-dufek-looks-carry-family-tradition-excellence --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I know the grandson is not notable now or at least yet. He was All-Big Ten in 2009 and a senior in 2010. If he is playing professionally, he is still in the minors and he may have gone pro in something other than sports. I was talking about his uncle. There are three Dufek brothers who played in the NFL according to the article linked herein.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Grandson Still in the minors last season according to http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dufek-001mic , which notes that the Tampa Bay Devil Rays drafted him in high school.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is Bill. I am not apt to create the article. I am sort of retired from creating articles although March Madness got me going a bit this month. I would like to get to 500 DYKs, but I really expect to do minimal GA work going forward. I suspect that he may have been the type of guy who was on taxi squad, IR, etc. without ever appearing in a game. Most articles about a Brandon Minor- or Adrian Arrington-type player from past generation who has no pro stats are hard to create. Preinternet players like this would not have comparable infoboxes to todays players with every lower tier league and taxi squad appearance chronicled. I figure if anyone can find crumbs of info on such a case, it would be you. Unless there is a way to document his pro experience from WP:RS, I hesitate to create the article. Linemen get no press, so it would be tough to make a good article for a All-American who we don't have pro info for that could withstand AFD. Let me know if you get started on his article. I will take a look at anything you do on it. Also, let me know about any borderline athlete AFDs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Should Dufek 3G ever become notable, keep the following in mind: 2009 All-Big Ten, but not drafted in 2010.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Giordano (ice hockey coach)

Cheers, BigDom 08:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Clarke (baseball)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Skel Roach

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Sexton (baseball)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Bob Sohl image

Thanks for uploading that image of Bob Sohl! Philipmj24 (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Wolverines project?

Have you seen Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Florida/Florida Gators subproject? Should we have a Wolverines project? I would start it, but I am already overseeing WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARDS.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Looking at Category:WikiProject Universities, it seems like University of Michigan might want to start its own project. I would start it myself, but I am already running WP:CHICAGO, WP:FOUR and WP:WAWARD. Comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan#Should_University_of_Michigan_have_a_project.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bobby Lowe

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:College athletic coaching wins leaders in the United States

Cbl, just put together this template to foster a little inter-sport consilience and pare down those clunky see also sections: Template:College athletic coaching wins leaders in the United States. I think I may have seen a list for softball that would belong here, but I may be mistaken. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Lundgren

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice job

... on Arthur S. Herman.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Ditto on Joseph McCulloch, which I see is eligible for DYK if you can find a hook in there. Maybe something about the 1918 base football team with All-America athletes from different schools (Weston was first-team in 1917, Reynolds was third-team in 1921); it might help if we could figure out who "Kofed" and "Mackall" were. cmadler (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ferris Jennings

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joseph McCulloch

Hello! The submission of Joseph McCulloch at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed and confirmed. Nice work and thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Leidseplein (talk) 04:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dickshooter, Idaho

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Help?

Hi Cbl - was wondering if you could give me a hand with something here - I've repeatedly hit brick walls on searching for a date of death for Gustave May - I'm pretty sure that he died in New Jersey sometime after 1940 - any way you could help whenever you have time? Thanks. Connormah (talk) 02:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, if you're interested, could you take a look at Alabama Crimson Tide former coach Eli Abbott? Couldn't find anything at all on him. Connormah (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: May - that's the right one - what info would you need? I've just got the census records listed on him - might be worth noting that there was a Gustave H. May in Ohio at the same time with a wife of the same name - it's really complicating things. I believe May (one I'm looking for) was a writer for The Tribune (Hudson/Bergen presumably), perhaps that may help? Great job on Abbott also, I wasn't able to find a thing on him (though I do miss some things) Connormah (talk) 06:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, if you have any time, any chance you could try and find M. Griffin's first name and dates of birth and death for George Denman (American football)? Thanks again. Connormah (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Ernest Graves, Sr. also may interest you - it also has a notability tag, probably could use some beefing up. Connormah (talk) 02:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, as always. Sorry for asking again, but is there any chance you could lend another hand (sorry!) in finding dates for H. Thompson (American football)? Seems he was an Assistant Attorney General of Kansas(?) after his coaching career - he is a Princeton Alumni (class of 1897). Can't find anything on what the initials stand for, though, which is driving me crazy. Connormah (talk) 03:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Just found the initials: it's Samuel Huston Thompson, Jr (per [11]) Connormah (talk) 03:13, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I also stand corrected on the Assistant Attorney General State: it was Colorado. Connormah (talk) 03:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Just found a duplicate article for him at Samuel Huston Thompson - I can redirect/rename this one if we sort this out. Connormah (talk) 03:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Found a DOD - Will integrate some details from the duplicate article into the infobox. Connormah (talk) 03:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: May again - he probably died ca. 1942-1960 in New Jersey, either Ocean or Bergen County - he was also known as Gus May I believe. Connormah (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Re:May: Was mistaken on the newspapaer name..I believe it was the Hudson Dispatch. Connormah (talk) 07:53, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, any chance you could try and find any info on Art Ranney? Thanks. Also, were you able to find anything else on May? I believe I may have his sons' death dates - I can provide those if they'll help. His business partner (Percy Byron) did get a NYT obit, May should have probably gotten something... Connormah (talk) 02:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yale Murphy

Cbl, I recently stumbled upon a guy who might be up your alley: Yale Murphy. His identity on here was split out into two articles, one for his baseball playing career and another stub noting his tenure as Fordham football coach. I think he may have coached the Yale basketball team of 1902–03 that was named the nat'l champ by the Helms Athletic Foundation, but the Yale media guide lists the coach for that season as unknown. He was also the brother of Mike Murphy, whose article you've worked on extensively. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph McCulloch

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Milton Olander

Gatoclass (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

H. B. Galbraith

Sorry to be a bug, but any way you can find Galbraith's full name, and possibly some dates? I did find an article referring to (presumably) him as "Holamer B. Galbraith" [12] - but I'm not entirely sure. Thanks again, as always. Connormah (talk) 03:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the research...I think the University has a biographical info file on him, I could try and contact them regarding that. Also, any idea who the "Holamer B Galbraith" in the article I mentioned above is? Connormah (talk) 02:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Strange. I'll keep looking. Connormah (talk) 03:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Good idea - could have been Holmer or something as well. I'll try contacting the university. Wonder if he's in any yearbooks/University records that can be searched online for teh Univ. of Arizona. Connormah (talk) 03:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Curry Hicks

The DYK project (nominate) 12:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Bemies

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Bemies

As a Geneva alumnus, I was quite excited to see your work on this article. I'm particulately impressed by the fact that you found my denomination's old magazine, citation 18, as well as one of the most important works by W.M. Glasgow, perhaps this denomination's most important historian. Nyttend (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I've emailed a link to an acquaintance who's on Geneva's board; he uses Wikipedia frequently, and I'm sure he'll enjoy it. Nyttend (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Ward (American football)

Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Softball

Hi I noticed you posted on wiki project softball's talk page. I was wondering if you could take a look at the article Softball at the 2011 Pan American Games and see if there can be any improvements made. Thanks! Intoronto1125TalkContributions 15:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George W. Gregory

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jack Weisenburger

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Paul Kromer

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Harold Hess

Cbl, I thought you did some L.A.-related work in the past, so maybe you can help if you're so inclined. I'm working on Loyola Marymount coach Harold Hess, but have a few gaps. Namely, if he was also the Cal Poly-SLO coach. The dates don't quite make sense, but I can't find anything worthwhile on the Cal Poly coach ("H. Hess")... If you're interested, please see my post at the CFB talk page for more details. Thanks. Strikehold (talk) 04:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Brinkman

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles M. Robinson

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lincoln Theater (Los Angeles, California)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Second Baptist Church (Los Angeles, California)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 27th Street Historic District

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Martin V. Bergen

This guy might be right in your wheelhouse: Martin V. Bergen. Check out: [[13]]. Yikes! Jweiss11 (talk) 02:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

John Chase article

Nice job on the John Chase article, thank you. Richard Myers (talk) 11:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Great job on the Charles M. Robinson article!

Congrats on scooping me on architect Charles M. Robinson! I'd been plugging away with research on him for the past several years, and you zipped in before I could get all the sources assembled! Have you been studying him long, or was this fly-by-night research? Either way, I would be interested in discussing the subject. Morgan Riley (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James O. Rodgers

Calmer Waters 16:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George S. Stillman

Calmer Waters 16:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph R. Swan

Calmer Waters 16:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George B. Chadwick

Calmer Waters 16:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles D. Rafferty

Calmer Waters 16:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William F. Knox

Calmer Waters 16:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jack Owsley

Calmer Waters 16:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Field (American football)

Calmer Waters 16:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Art Howe (American football)

Calmer Waters 16:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Townsend

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles S. Mitchell

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Chase (doctor and soldier)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Collins H. Johnston

Thanks for this contribution to free knowledge Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Question on German football notablity

I have questions on some Germany football (not soccer) players. I've seen several come by the past few days. Gary Lautenschlager is one. To see more, click the World Cup section on Lautenschlager's page and look under Germany. I'm not sure if these meet Notability guidelines for football (WP:NSPORTS) or not. WikiProject American Football is dead, so I'm not sure to ask. While doing some research, I saw where USA beat Germany this past weekend and plays Mexico next for the World Cup. I'd hate to play against Japan's line... I can image sumo wrestlers. Bgwhite (talk) 07:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Moulton

EncycloPetey (talk) 08:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Harry Ely

Cbl: Jrcla2 and I are trying to figure out if Harry Ely (baseball) is the same person as Harry Ely. My suspicion is yes, but I have nothing solid to tie the Fordham coach to the early Baltimore Orioles player. The NCAA database and Fordham football media guide say the Fordham coach was an alumnus of Yale. This June 1903 New York Times article [14] says "Harry Allen Ely, a Columbia College graduate, will coach the Fordham eleven this Fall." This September 1900 NY Times article [15] mentions "Harry Allen Ely...First Lieutenant...of the United States Volunteers" serving in the Philippines. In 1922, we've got "Harry Allen Ely, Chairman of the Washington Heights Tenants' Association" [16]. Then in 1925, we've got "Captain Harry Ely, aged editor of the Tenant" with a tie to public library at Fordham.[17] If you get a chance to look for anything else to flesh this all out, that would be great. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied to your comment on Jweiss' talk page. Connormah (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied again, can you take a look at the articles I pulled up? Connormah (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I added another guy - Frank Martin - to the same discussion thread. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Top prospects

Tx for your review at DYK.

Didn't want to belabor the matter there and make that entry any longer, so thought I would share the following here.

Generally facts such as the one focused on that are reflected in one university site would be considered fine -- we cite to university sites for all sorts of information about students and professors, and to team sites for all sorts of information about ballplayers, for information of this nature. We would not generally view it as an independence question because the professor/student/athlete was in the university or on the team, unless the claim were for something extraordinary.

In any event, I've added a third citation.

As to the sentence that you viewed as "POV of trying to oversell his accomplishments", first of all I have to admit that I didn't write that sentence. My preference is to repeat the facts, as they have been stated. But I didn't change it, as I felt that whoever wrote it was within his rights. I'm not sure how familiar you are with minor league baseball. But to be rated # 28 and # 54, by the two separate raters, of all minor leaguers could be reasonably construed as being considered a "top prospect". Without looking for precisely how many thousand minor leaguers there are, simply take a look at List of minor league baseball leagues and teams, multiply the number of teams there by 24 (roughly; with over 250 teams, that likely puts us over 5,000), and you will understand why I say that ... that is the pool he was in the top 28/54 of. Top 1% is likely generally considered "top". That said, as I say, while the original statement was IMHO fine, your change is more to my liking. But I do disagree strongly that the original writer evidenced POV or overselling in that statement ... it was simply inferior because it was less precise, and the reader could not know what level of subjectivity there may have been. As to you saying that he had not even appeared in a major league game at the time -- that is the nature of a "prospect". Once he has appeared in a game, he is no longer a prospect, but a rookie, in typical baseball parlance. (Which he became yesterday).

No need to reply ... just sharing some musings ... but if you wish to, you can do so here.

Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Deleting text referenced to the official site of major league baseball

Hi -- I see that you have now, at the same article, deleted the text supported by MLB.com. MLB.com is the highest-level source for a baseball player; the site of major league baseball. I understand that your deletion may have been inadvertent, but please don't delete text supported by it without a valid reason. Thanks much. --Epeefleche (talk) 21:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Inasmuch as you've not responded to my two above messages on your talkpage, but instead appeared at (surprisingly; I guess you are following my edits?) and joined my conversation with Baseball Bugs on his talkpage to discuss the issues, I've added my further thoughts there. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I owe you a further response, and will get to it when I have time (as there are a number of issues to be addressed).--Epeefleche (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Glenn Doughty

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD at Kyle Reed

I just wanted to say I respect your positions in this process, but I don't agree with the ephemeral notability, based on routine daily coverage. In my opinion, if a newspaper has a sports section, and it covers local and regional sports, and it's football season, then the paper will be cranking out routine QB stories twice a week. They got space to fill. I grew up in a college football town. All that said, I'm taking a liberty by discussing another AfD procedure with you, one I'm simultaneously following. In that procedure, I'm having trouble finding online sources for a man who spent fully 75 years as a sportswriter in the Minneapolis area writing for Baseball Digest, Sports Illustrated, The Sporting News, and most of the local papers covering Minnesota Golden Gophers and Olympic hockey, Twins baseball, and Vikings football, a career writing routine daily sports coverage leaving a vast body of stuff just like the works you're citing to assert the QB. So there's a sense of proportion for me in this. Between the two, the sportswriter is waaay more notable for an encyclopedia than the college quarterback. But because sportswriters rarely write about each other, I can't find the profiles and interviews which would put this past WP:CREATIVE. Different goalposts, so to speak. I thought I owed the pedia an explanation about why I feel so strongly in both these cases, as a contrast and comparison. BusterD (talk) 18:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding sources was a very nice thing to do. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

And thanks for readjusting my sense of proportion related to news coverage of any type. A good point. BusterD (talk) 22:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Ward

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 21:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC) 21:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dick Gordon (sports writer)

I've put you and User:Gordgus up for the dyk. If the page keeps, then you get the credit. Thanks for helping. I'll likely start the Cobbledick page myself. Like Gordon's, his writing is so good. BusterD (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind looking at the DYK review notes User:Giants2008 left in the template? I transcluded the template on the Gordon talk page. Just a few tweaks left. The alt hook is where we're going here. BusterD (talk) 00:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jim Brieske

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 03:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC) 23:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bruce McLenna

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 01:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Keller

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James E. Lawrence

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dick Gordon (sports writer)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:03, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Olson House (Cushing, Maine)

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jerry Green (writer)

Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Art Matsu

Hi Cbl2 - Great article on Arthur Matsu. Two questions - did you see that he needed the article because of my user page? I think the timing is very coincidental (I'm not mad, it'd just strike me as unbelievable timing that you would write it soon after I added him to my To Do list with links); and, his common name is Art Matsu as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong, so correct me if I am, but maybe we should consider moving it to his common name? Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 20:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

That's very funny timing then, but hey it saves me an article to make, plus you did a much better job at it then I would have. I saw where most of the sources you put were ones I don't have access to. Also, the sparse sources that I did have would add nothing new to what is already in the article, so it's best as is. Normally I don't make college football player articles, but being the "first" Asian to do so many things definitely warranted it, not to mention he went to my alma mater. Again, great job. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Dryden

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Warlander References and Citations

Thanks for going over my references and correcting / improving the format. I appreciate it a lot, especially since I can see that you were willing to take the time to chase down fine details like the online versions of the articles cited, and the precise location of passages I referred to. Thanks! WarlanderHorse (talk) 03:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Plaza Substation

Google gave me multiple images of the Plaza Substation (example), and from that I believe it's the building visible at the center of the Street View window here. That's the rear of the building; Olvera Street appears to be the pedestrian-only walkway that begins here. Nyttend (talk) 22:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Earl Lawson

rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Review of Mark Midei DYK

Thanks for looking at it. FYI I replied at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mark_Midei and I asked a question. Thanks again. Jesanj (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

And FWIW, you said his notability was "premised on an investigation into his alleged practice of engaging in unnecessary procedures" but the Senate Finance Committee investigation was in 2010. The Maryland board issued their final conclusion recently, in July 2011. I edited the lead of the article to make this more clear. Thanks. I'm looking forward to your comment and/or the possibility of changing your review to a maybe and asking for a second opinion. I'd like to have a chance to work on the as of yet unspecified neutrality issues before getting denied. Any recommendations on how to get eyes for that if you are too busy? Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to be so buggy. But here's my idea. To get turned down, doesn't here have to be a NPOV violation? But there's no tag over the article. I heard about the subject through press coverage that suggested his work was unnecessary, yes. But DYK isn't disallowed for subject who has been the subject of critical press. I feel like I'm being disallowed from DYK simply for tackling a complex topic. What do you think? Jesanj (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I've made some more edits and replied at the DYK template. Thanks again. Jesanj (talk) 13:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if I should expect feedback from you or not. Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 16:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. I agreed with the $ point of yours and proposed a couple other alts. Jesanj (talk) 19:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Matsu

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Graham (writer)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Max Kase

Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Frank G. Menke

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lyall Smith

Calmer Waters 08:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wilton S. Farnsworth

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alan J. Gould

Calmer Waters 00:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joe S. Jackson

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK St. Peter (rugby ground)

I've replied to your comment at Template:Did you know nominations/St. Peter (rugby ground). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Got a source for the issue and done a rename of the page so it ties in. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

There is now a source from the club website that mentions St. Peter in a ground context. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I've found and included what I could from searches. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 06:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi

At your Joe S. Jackson article, you listed his death occuring on May 19, 1936, but in the link under the death section, the link says June 1936. Which is it? B-Machine (talk) 16:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Joe Iacone

		The Barnstar of Recovery
		Incredible work on Joe Iacone to not only identify resources during the AfD, but adding them into the article with well written text to show that this isn't just some average-Joe who happened to get some coverage. I'll overlook that the earlier "two paragraph" source you mentioned was also only two sentences :-) Again, great job. —Bagumba (talk) 21:24, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Cunningham

Thanks for your input. There are more and better references in that article now. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edward A. Batchelor

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Paul H. Bruske

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Heinie Peitz

NW (Talk) 16:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sam Greene

Materialscientist (talk) 23:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Heinie Meine

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a NYT subscription?

If so, any chance you can check out [18] and pull a cause of death from it? I can only see as far as "he was stricken with..." from search. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I got the sentence I was looking for, but it doesn't specify anything - could you still look is there's a cause? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 19:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

As I suspected. Strange. Thanks for the help, though, I appreciate it. – Connormah (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Dunlap

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dummy Taylor

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Kudos to you for greatly expanding this interesting person's biography. I enjoyed the article very much, thanks for contributing. Puchiko (Talk-email) 12:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if you'd turn that source-finding magic loose on a coach

After a brief discussion with User:Ron Ritzman about closing procedures, I was watching his talk page for a while. And I noticed this. I never said anything because I was watching how he handled it. I have learned to appreciate your respect for all aspects of sport, so I was wondering if you had some input. I agree the sources I found were mostly promotional, but he seems like quite an impressive figure, one who has coached lots of young men into fine athletes, likely some notable enough for their own page. I'll watch here for response. BusterD (talk) 23:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Joe Iacone

Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ryan Winterswyk

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Brandon Herron

Great game, but it sort of a WP:ONEEVENT at this time. I have gotten frustrated after creating articles for Obi Ezeh, Mark Ortmann (American football), David Moosman, as well as a host of taxi squad guys like Justin Boren, Donovan Warren, Stephen Schilling, Brandon Minor, Stevie Brown. When Martell Webb Perry Dorrestein and Greg Banks (American football) were in camp, I did not even create articles. If Herron makes some mid-season watchlists or All-Big Ten, I will reconsider.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Michigan Wolverines football navbox

Hey, Cbl, I've got a problem. I am using the dynamically segmented Michigan Wolverines football navbox as a pattern to rework the University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame navbox, but I've run into an inexplicable problem. Or, at least one I can't explaing resolve, and the original Wolverines football navbox seems to have the same problem: it does not display any of the groups/lists after the 11th group/list. Can you take a look at this and see if you can identify and resolve the problem in the Wolverines navbox? Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that Template:Navbox with collapsible groups only has parameters for up to 11 groups in its code. I'm not sure why it does not go to a higher number, however. Template talk:Navbox with collapsible groups#Groups/Lists may have useful information for you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I found some brief tidbits about that in the template instructions. It also specifically says that it can be expanded, but it doesn't say how, of course. I've left a talk page message for the original template creator, who is till active. Hopefully he can help. I also reduced the number of groups/lists section headers by combining the men's and women's teams for the same sports, and then breaking them out by gender within the text. Looks pretty slick, and it reduces the displayed size of the navbox when you open it. It's going to be a radical improvement over the navbox's previous version, and the previously unlinked HOF member names will all link to the sport-specific section of the new "list of" article where a given member's blurb can be found. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Lists of Michigan Wolverines football statistical leaders

Should we put active players (Robinson, Roundtree, Hemingway, and Odoms) in bold on Lists of Michigan Wolverines football statistical leaders like they do in articles like List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits and List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Frank Bates

Any chance you could maybe locate a DOD for Frank Bates? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 22:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 September 14

You are one of the better researchers for people like User:TonyTheTiger/Levi Horn.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Big Ten Conference Athlete of the Year navbox

Here is another discussion that might interest you: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Big_Ten_Conference_Athlete_of_the_Year_navbox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

N.B. see also {{Big Ten Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year navbox}} and {{Chicago Tribune Silver Football navbox}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Walter Skidmore

I am requesting some assistance on expanding Walter Skidmore, the UNC Tar Heels men's basketball coach between 1935 and 1939. User:Remember, the article's creator, and myself cannot really seem to find anything that would indicate DOB/DOD, or any other substantive content. I know you have access to myriad resources. If this article can get expanded, I don't think User:Remember nor myself would mind creating a three-person DYK nom. Thoughts? Jrcla2 (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Heath Irwin

I don't recall seeing you be away for a whole week before. Hope everything is O.K. I got WP:PRODded into beefing up Heath Irwin. I know there must be some articles about his athletic family out there. He may have siblings or cousins or more ancestors of note.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Cecil Newton, Sr.

Here is another guy who some details might help. I am guessing he may have been an All-conference player or a I-AA All-American. If you can find anything let me know.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Denard Robinson and you

I am really worried about you buddy. I hope all is well. I just started watching Denard Robinson (something you have done so well I did not have to). I will start driving the text if I don't see you around by the end of the week.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad you are back. I updated for the week. Two questions:

1. Should the stat table asterisk the NCAA ruling on game one?
2. Should we have a table showing the top ten Big Ten QB single-game rushing totals (with him in 1st, 2nd-t, 8th, 9th and 10th).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Fitzgerald Toussaint

You must be really busy. You forgot to nom Fitzgerald Toussaint at DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

DOB / DOD

I was wondering if you can see if you can find the dates of birth and death for Bill Lange (coach)? Jrcla2 (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow

Thanks so much for your help in improving the Bill Lange (coach) article; it really looks much much better. Very impressive stuff! I greatly appreciate all your hard work on this article. Remember (talk) 13:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Ditto - looks amazing. Kind of a related side item: Were you planning on DYKing it? I feel that it would be good multi-person nomination (you, Remember, Jweiss, me, Rikster2). Jrcla2 (talk) 13:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Template_talk:DYK#Bill Lange (coach). Jrcla2 (talk) 20:19, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Template_talk:DYK#Bill Lange (coach). Jrcla2 (talk) 20:19, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Paul Jones

Thanks for the catch with Paul Jones on the Case Western navbox. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Lange (coach)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Jordan Kovacs vs. NW

I am trying to find a WP:RS stating that Jordan Kovacs had two fourth down solo tackles for a loss, but all the sources I have checked only document one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I can source that he had 2 tackles for a loss, but sources only mention one as being on fourth down (the sack on Persa), but the Adonis Smith rush for a loss of 1 yard to the Mich 33 on 4th and 1 at MICH 32 with Michigan trailing 14–7 is not noted in any stories I see.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

This one that is omitted, IMO, was the turning point in the game. If NW made that first down, they might have won the game.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Got it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Brian Eisner

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cleveland Rosenblums

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Kerwin Waldroup

Did Kerwin Waldroup quit the team or get disciplined in 1994. I can not figure out how else someone with 32 tackles in the first 9 games does not get a letter, does not appear in the final four games and transfers for his senior season.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:18, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Coaches Poll

Cbl, I didn't think the Coaches' Poll discussion was over. We were still playing around with tweaks to the schedule table to see if we could make it work there. As it is, simply pulling them from the tables on the Michigan seasons articles deletes data that exists nowhere else on Wikipedia. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

While there was no consensus on most points, the consensus was pretty overwhelming that only one poll should be listed in the tables. Cbl62 (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, why'd you skip 1997? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:22, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I missed that one. Cbl62 (talk) 01:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

On the issue of consensus, I noted a week ago at the project talk page that there did appear to be a consensus that only one ranking should be included in the schedule table. That view was supported by Ute in DC, Bsuorangecrush, Dirtlawyer1, Patriarca12, and myself. I believe you were the only one supporting the use of multiple rankings in the table. That's a consensus of 5 to 1. Cbl62 (talk) 01:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Heath Irwin

I had mentioned Heath Irwin during a period when you were a bit busy. Being an AA, he is in your wheelhouse. I am pretty sure there must be some family story articles out there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I had hoped to find out if there were any other athletes in his family (siblings), aunts or uncles, and especially his grandfather. However, don't burden yourself researching this if it does not interest you. I too generally like to work on Michigan athletes, but I think the Irwin family has an interesting athletic story to tell. It is my belief that there may be more than I have found.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:35, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Red Snapp

I'm seriously impressed with the job you did saving that article. You should nominate it to WP:DYK. They'd have interest in promoting your work on the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Thanks for the information you posted on the Arthur Matsu page about his participation in the 1930 game against Benny Friedman's All Stars - and the link to the New York Times article - that filled in a piece of a puzzle for me, since I had a letter from Dr. Harry March to members of Friedman's team, which included my father, but I had no knowledge of the game. Revmoran (talk) 01:23, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Another football coach/player

Any chance you can do a DOD search for J. W. Knibbs? He was quite a prominent member of the Dartmouth Football team in the early 1900s. There's also a team photo with him in it, but I can't pick him out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, – Connormah (talk) 03:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Did some pretty intensive searching for Otto Wagonhurst (with 10+ variations of his name) - turns out he was a Railway Superintendent after his football career. May interest you. – Connormah (talk) 23:38, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. – Connormah (talk) 04:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Knibbs may have died in 1953, though I'm not sure, FYI. CMAH (Connormah's Sock) 16:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CMAH (talk • contribs)

Also, could you pull Nathan Stauffer's DOB out of a WWI draft card (presumably his) on Ancestry? Thanks. Will keep searching for Knibbs. – Connormah (talk) 22:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...any chance you can access this article also? [19] May help to tie Highland Stickney and Hiram O. Stickney together... – Connormah (talk) 22:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Though you had a subscription somehow. Is there anything you can search through that perhaps I haven't? – Connormah (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 22:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Any chance you can find out if the William HArold Hess I find at [20] is the same person as Harold Hess? There's a WWI draft card on Ancestry as well...thanks. – Connormah (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for being a bug, but can you possibly access the family tree listing here [21] for possibly D. M. Balliet? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Even better, if you could get the obit for him here [22], that'd be great (looking for a full DOB). Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 04:37, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Linking to nationality/country of notable work

I see you are delinking "United States" in the leads of many articles that I have edited. While I agree that we should be wary of overlinking, I wonder if one wikilink in the lead that defines the subject nationality and/or country of notable work is really overlinking. Today's featured article, Rudolph Cartier, in fact has such as link. So does Tim Duncan, another FA-rated article. Scanning some of the other recent bio FAs, I see similar links. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The Tim Duncan article does wikilink to United States, piped to "American". It's the first wikilink in the lead. Rudolph Cartier links to Austria. Again, that's the first wikilink in the lead. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I fail to see how the pipe to "American" changes anything for the Tim Duncan article. The unique problem with American football people is that the sport is "American football" so that presents a bit of syntactic issue when you want to define nationality and profession in the opening sentence of the article. You're not going to say "X was an American American football coach" or "X was an United States-ian American football coach. I don't see evidence from a scan of recently promoted FAs that there is a moratorium on this sort of wikilinking. If you feel like cleaning up some bad formatting, I can point to you streams of unquestionably bad stuff. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like your issue is really not with the linking, it's with the wording. So I don't understand why you are removing the wikilinks, which you are apparently fine with if moved a few words to the left, but leaving the language, which you think is poor. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

My point here that is seems like a rather fine issue, and one that is subject to some interpretation. I don't know if you intend to go through my entire edit history looking for every American football bio in which I wikilinked United States, but if you are, that's going to take a long time (and a similarly long time to undo if consensus ends up being okay with the links). Meanwhile, we have total crapfests like Joseph Massie (coach) sitting out there. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Jweiss, please do not link United States in such articles. It is rare for this item to be useful as a wikilink, and on rare occasions where a link might be useful, it should generally be to a section or daughter article of the United States. Tony (talk) 07:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

External links

Please stop removing systematic, definitive external links. I'm going to see about having those links removed from the Infobox college coach because they are more appropriate in an external links sections. You can also reply here rather than on my talk page so as not to cleave the discussion. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi JW. We've discussed this before. Under the Wikipedia protocols, External links sections should not be used to duplicate things that are already in the "References." In the case of the "External links" section I removed today from the Wagonhurst article, CFDW was linked THREE times -- in the Infobox, in the References (where it should be per rules on in-line citing), and then in an unneeded "External links" section. The "External links" sections are disapproved for this type of info. Cbl62 (talk) 03:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Please, let's keep conversations in one place. I just killed the CFBDW link in Template:Infobox college coach. It look likes crap there anyway, and external links are more appropriate in an external links section. I understand that CFBDW may be cited in an article, but there is a still a utility in having links to definitive websites in an external link section. A well developed article may have fifty or a hundred references. The reference serves to support a particular passage in the body of an article. The external links section isolates links to definitave listings and puts them in a standard place so that a user can find them quickly, e.g. how every MLB bio article has a link to baseball-reference.com and several other reliable, definitive listings if applicable. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:55, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I opened up a discussion at the CFB talk page regarding this issue and the "see also" issue. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Michigan Wolverines football navbox

I reworked Template:Michigan Wolverines football navbox to integrate the nat'l champ group into the season group using the same color to highlight nat'l title season that we use in the head coaching record tables. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Eight national championships before the AP Poll started?! You damn Wolverines are as delusional as Alabama fans! LOL Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

No more delusional than Princeton with 28 NCs before the AP Poll started. That's the advantage of having started playing football before a lot of other schools had even been founded! Cbl62 (talk) 20:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It was pretty much a blueblood-only game in those days as well. Personally, I only speak for the '97 title, which I witnessed, in part, in person. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

1988–89 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team assistant coaches

We need to add the assistant coaches to 1988–89 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team. Do you know how to find out this info?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Red Snapp

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Brian Eisner for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Brian Eisner is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Eisner until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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SFV photo requests

Hi Cbl! Are you still in the San Fernando Valley area? If so, I have some ideas for photo requests WhisperToMe (talk) 00:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, ok. If/when you recover your camera, please let me know :) - I have some ideas for photos in Sherman Oaks and other Valley neighborhoods WhisperToMe (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

George W. Hoskins

Any chance you could check out the Ohio deaths listing at [23] to see if we have a match? – Connormah (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Any chance you can pull a passport photo for W. B. Hopkins at [24]? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 05:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Is it worse than Otto Wagonhurst's? Sucks, would have liked a photo for him.. – Connormah (talk) 05:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Are there any other details from the app that could be added to the article, BTW? – Connormah (talk) 05:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Top 10 career U of M rushers

You have a table on Billy Taylor (American football) for top 10 rushers. Are you going to keep that up to date? I just chopped the same list at Tyrone Wheatley down to top 5.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Fitzgerald Toussaint big games

You might want to mention (if you can find the right source). That his performances have been the most single game yards since Mike Hart (if I recall correctly).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:07, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Michigansian images

Great work so far. One guy who really needs a FU image is Gordon Bell (American football).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Tyrone Wheatley is an WP:FA without any images of him. Some WP:GAs that need Michigan images include Thomas Wilcher, Steve Morrison (American football), Butch Woolfolk, Ricky Powers, Mercury Hayes, Chris Howard (American football), Garland Rivers, Garrett Rivas, Remy Hamilton, Al Wistert, Tai Streets, Elmer Gedeon, Jon Vaughn, Don Dufek, Jack Clancy, Ed Muransky, Greg Skrepenak, George Hoey, Dick Rifenburg, Cato June and Keith Bostic (American football). Also, Juwan Howard and Rob Pelinka.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, Woodson, Howard and the Fab Five could use some Michigan era images.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh Pre-77. Do you have any pictures of Bennie Oosterbaan as an athlete? Another pre-77 hoopsters who seems to be missing an image that you have not mentioned include Ollie Darden, and Rudy Tomjanovich could use a Michigan era image.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

What about Red Berenson as a Wolverine?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Given how easily you found Berenson, you should check up on these guys: Michigan_Wolverines_men's_ice_hockey#Wolverine_All-Americans. There are a few pre 77 guys.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I concur.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For defending English Wikipedia at Talk:Jerry_Sandusky_child_sexual_abuse_scandal. Bearian (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Same guy?

Cbl62, a while back I created {{NYU Violets basketball coach navbox}}. When searching for the coaches, I stumbled upon Billy Lush (baseball), who fits the bill for the name, era and general geographic region of the NYU coach from 1914–1916. I also thought it was probably the same Billy Lush as found on {{Navy Midshipmen basketball coach navbox}}, who coached from 1908–1910 and again 1918–1922.
I added these navboxes, however, without being able to actually verify that these are the same person and I went more on statistical probability. Using your myriad resources, could you see if you can scrounge anything up that would confirm the Billy Lush basketball coach at these schools to be the same as the professional baseball player? Jrcla2 (talk) 16:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Van Bergen

I have created Ryan Van Bergen, a former three-sport standout and Detroit Athletic Club Michigan High School Athlete of the Year. He was supposedly All-state honorable mention in basketball. I am unable to find any content. Ping me if you can find anything.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Carl Fischer

Any chance that Carl Fischer (baseball) is the same Carl Fischer as seen on {{Connecticut Huskies men's soccer coach navbox}}? Jrcla2 (talk) 23:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Saw this one on my watchlist. Doesn't look like the same guy. Baseball Reference Bullpen puts him in Medina, New York after 1937: http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Carl%20Fischer. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Asking a favour...

Was wondering if you could access this WW1 draft card for Gustave May here [25] and give me the info in some way. User:Wehwalt is willing to give me a hand on research for him and this info may help. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 23:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

One more thing, any chance you could get the higher resolution photo at [26] for Orval R. Cook? Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 03:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

List of historically significant Michigan Wolverines football games

FYI, this was CfD'd. See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of historically significant Michigan Wolverines football games. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Yost disciples

The Yost disciples just keep coming out of the weeds. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dr. Franklin E. Kameny House

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

1976 and before

Part of Harlan Huckleby's Michigan career was in the years where there might be a picture. Did you look for him in 75 and 76?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox college coach

Cbl, I see you're kicking off a bunch of new article for Indiana basketball coaches. Cool. Can you use the latest and greatest form for Infobox college coach; see Template:Infobox college coach#Empty? Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Theodore M. Stuart

Orlady (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC) 16:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Russell Davis (running back)

Is Russell Davis (running back) the Russell Davis mentioned in Jackson High School (Jackson, Michigan)?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yes. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Your picture work is standing out.

I see you way up on this list.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Wilt's 100-point game

Cbl, I thought you should be aware of this discussion I've started at WT:NBA. Don't know if it's something you'd be interested in tackling, but I do see it as a great probability that the article would be on the main page if all goes according to plan. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)