Talk:2023 in video games

PlayStation Showcase
There was a PlayStation Showcase in late May. Is this not worth including in the events list? 2.99.68.104 (talk) 11:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC) BE sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * We typically do not mention individual publisher showcases. Collective ones like E3 and Summer Game Fest are there, but no Nintendo Directs or PS Showcases. M asem (t) 12:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, I was going to mention the Nintendo one next too. Fair enough What about the temporary blocking of the Microsoft acquisition of Activision-Blizzard in first the UK and now the US? I guess we're not adding those because it hasn't been fully resolved yet? 2.99.68.104 (talk) 03:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC) BE sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 24 June 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Snow close. Closing it slightly earlier as it seems that there is very little chance that this RM will succeed. (non-admin closure) Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 12:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

– According to (see below), "video gaming" sounds like a broader and more encompassing phrase to use than "video games" in the context of these articles. This helps in regards to the broader scope these articles have become and expanded themselves to, such as topics like "Notable deaths", which sounds better under the umbrella topic of "video gaming", rather than "video games". Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2023 in video games → 2023 in video gaming
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Should we change this series of articles from "in video games" to "in video gaming"? Helper201 (talk) 18:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose These list cover video games, including the business around them, and not the act of playing them (video gaming). M asem (t) 18:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * To me "video gaming" sounds like a broader and more encompassing phrase to use than "video games" in the context of these articles. This helps in regards to the broader scope these articles have become and expanded themselves to, such as topics like "Notable deaths", which sounds better under the umbrella topic of "video gaming", rather than "video games". Helper201 (talk) 18:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Video gaming" is the act of playing video games, which is the problem. Unlike "computing" which has come to cover not only the use of computers but also hardware, business, etc, "video gaming" is primarily what players do, not the business of. M asem (t) 19:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose Per Masem, I can see "video games" being broader than simply the aspect of playing a game, i.e. gaming. There was also the broad consensus to change every disambiguation in Category:Video game terminology to "video games" and away from "video gaming". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Video games" is a generally recognizable and broad-enough term to cover all aspects of the industry.  I am not sure what "video gaming" is.  Does that term even exist?  Isn't the vernacular term simply "gaming"? Walrasiad (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Video gaming" mostly covers just playing the games. "Video games" is more general. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Dave the Diver
Why has Dave the Diver been removed from the list of critically acclaimed titles? 2.99.68.104 (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC) BE sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

FTC Approves Microsoft's Activision-Blizzard Acquisition
Is it worthy of an entry in the events list? Seems fairly substantial, even with the CMA appeal looming ahead (which seems actually have been paused now due to this FTC ruling). From what I understand this FTC decision effectively ensures the deal will happen. 2.99.68.104 (talk) 22:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC) BE sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I know this is a late reply but the FTC did not approve the deal, simply that they withdrew their current trial over it and will be in discussions with MS, with the options to enter a new reason to stop the merger. When the acquisition happens that is worthy of an entry. M asem  (t) 02:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Dungeons & Dragons Film
Shouldn't this be included in the list of video game based films for 2023? 2.99.72.43 (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC) BE sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * D&D is a tabletop game first and foremost M asem (t) 02:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

OpenCritic's Hall of Fame
I think we should a another table for OpenCritic's Hall of Fame games under the Critically Acclaimed section. OpenCritic only lists the top 12 releases from that year and has one entry for each release not matter. MR.RockGamer17 (talk) 15:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Disagree, it should only have things people have heard of. 2601:603:7F:24A0:B4B8:3DBE:15CD:5F8F (talk) 09:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

SAG-AFTRA Video Game Strike
Worth a mention in the events list?

https://www.gameinformer.com/news/2023/09/26/sag-aftra-members-vote-yes-to-authorize-video-game-strike 2.99.88.49 (talk) 03:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Block evading sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * They have only authorized the right to strike, but they haven't started a strike yet. If they do actually strike that should be included. M asem (t) 12:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, what about the 800 Epic Games layoffs? 2.99.88.49 (talk) 20:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Block evading sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That definitely belongs and it has been added. M asem (t) 00:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Layoffs
Microsoft laid off 10,000 employees in January: https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/01/19/microsoft-layoffs-10000-people-amid-ongoing-activision-blizzard-acquisition

I think there have been some other large layoffs that aren’t included in the events list. How many layoffs need to occur for a mass layoff to be included in the events list? 2A00:23EE:1730:59B3:C0B0:ECD2:E785:2478 (talk) 20:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I would suggest adding the Ascendant Studios layoffs in August (45% of total staff), the BioWare layoffs in August (50 total but included many veteran developers), the Bungie layoffs today and maybe the Naughty Dog layoffs in October and Striking Distance Studios layoffs in August. Thoughts?
 * https://www.gameinformer.com/news/2023/10/30/destiny-2-dev-bungie-hit-with-layoffs-just-15-months-after-playstation-acquisition
 * 2023 seems to be being defined, in part, by these frequent largescale layoffs at various gaming companies. So maybe something in the opening of the article as well. 2A00:23EE:1730:59B3:C0B0:ECD2:E785:2478 (talk) 20:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.gameinformer.com/news/2023/10/30/destiny-2-dev-bungie-hit-with-layoffs-just-15-months-after-playstation-acquisition 2A00:23EE:1730:59B3:C0B0:ECD2:E785:2478 (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Notability of video games included in the 2023 list and beyond
Hi,

I myself contributed to this issue greatly last year, but have since realized the games list is simply too big when including all games ever released in a single year, with Gematsu reporting on titles so niche within the larger gaming sphere that many may not be worth including. Can we establish official rules/guidelines where, preferably, all games with established Wikipedia pages in any relevant field can be included?

For example, if the game has a developer or publisher with an established Wiki page, including it should be fine. I especially like Oceanhok's previous suggestion that only games that have been reviewed on Metacritic should be included, with the caveat that re-releases of notable games sometimes do not receive enough coverage to full that criteria. Or if it's a successor to another notable title, which ties into whether it receives notable amounts of press or not (take Haunted Chocolatier, for example, if that did not already have a title).

Summary of criteria:

- Dev OR publisher with established Wiki page

- Heavily linked to game with established Wiki page

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If lacking either of these,

- Established Metacritic score?

- Reasonable amount of press?

This should ensure that niche games like Figment 2 (13 critic reviews), Touhou: New World (tied to Touhou franchise), Sephonie (by now-notable devs behind the Anodyne franchise), and Judas (heavy coverage through Ken Levine's involvement) can still be included. It ensures that entirely unknown games like Elypse, A Guidebook of Babel, and Paper Trail (no MC score, dev/publisher) cannot be included because of sole coverage through Gematsu's outlet. Venky64 (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Ubisoft Laysoff Over 100 Employees
https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/11/07/ubisoft-lays-off-over-a-hundred-employees 2.98.204.123 (talk) 22:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * added. M asem (t) 01:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 2.98.204.123 (talk) 01:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Should we add the Microsoft mass (10,000 staff) layoffs in January, the BioWare layoffs in August (50 total but included many veteran developers) and the Ascendant Studios layoffs (45% of total staff) in August? I can provide sources for them all if you like. 2.98.204.123 (talk) 04:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Microsoft's layoffs are more beyond gaming so its not really appropriate. Bioware, maybe. By the time you get to Ascendent, which is only about 100 employees total, that's a bit too small to include (Bungie being over 1000 prior to layoffs is about the smallest size company to cover as a rough metric). M asem (t) 04:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

== One of the Best Years in Video Games ==

Many outlets have penned articles suggesting that 2023 is one of, if not the, best year in video games ever. Many comparisons have been drawn to 1998 and other memorable years in video games. It is a regular discourse in video game circles. 2023 has more 90+ Metacritic scores than any other year in history. I think this perhaps warrants mention in the opening? 2.98.194.37 (talk) 03:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC) Block evading sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We obviously would need sources for that, and they may come out in December or early January to support that. It definitely seems a reasonable thing to state either in the lede or in the top rated games section. M asem (t) 20:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have some sources here. I could find many others and YouTube videos of pundits and gaming outlets discussing 2023 as a potential 'Best Year In Gaming', for sure.
 * - https://gamerant.com/best-video-games-2023-so-far/
 * - https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/22536702/best-games-2023/amp/
 * - https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2023/07/02/why-2023-could-be-one-of-the-best-years-in-video-games-ever
 * - https://www.essentiallysports.com/esports-news-top-5-reasons-why-2023-would-be-the-best-year-for-gaming-yet/ 2.98.194.37 (talk) 23:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * None of those we'd consider reliable for this. We want sources off WP:RS/P. Which I have seen some trending to this concept. M asem (t) 23:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, we do not at all use Youtube videos from random users. We need them to be from reliable sources as well. M asem (t) 23:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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