Talk:APB: All Points Bulletin

removed
removed discussion about the game 80.192.61.220 00:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * why? 216.234.58.18 15:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

removed comment about original GTA not being 3D, removed speculation that APB was inspired by the earlier game from Atari with the same name. I work on the game and it wasn't.RobertAnderberg 00:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

whole page is written like an advertisement.. somebody fix it, i can't be bothered. 222.153.154.182 (talk) 02:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Release Date
IGN say for the PC it is out in Japan on 31st december 2007 and 2007 in USA but unreleased in Europe. Xbox360 dates are all 2008, anyone know anything there is so many rumors going on about this game and this article is so small and it shouldnt be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew22k (talk • contribs) 13:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * http://www.mcvuk.com/news/35129/APB-hits-retail-in-March Ne specific release date but it will be in March of 2010. And that article shps that it is being released for the 360 if any clarification was needed. UltimateSin01 (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

concerned about copyvio
much of this article seems to have been lifted verbatim directly from http://www.apb-evolved.com. I'm also not sure if they are an appropriate reference site for information. Xenocidic (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote the site's administrators about the content and received an email back from them "Thanks for the notice, as long as the information is given credit towards the site we are ok with it.". So I will work on ensuring the proper citations are given. I will also try to clean up the text to sound more encyclopaedic. Xenocidic (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is why the whole article looks like an ad... it is just the PR text from the game's web page. I just saw the a talk on this game at GDC 2008, and the game looks lame.  This whole article was probably made by someone who's working on it.  YAWN.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farktol (talk • contribs) 20:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * actually it was lifted from a fan site. the article definately needs a lot of work. xenocidic (talk) 20:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Ext. Links
Do not remove link to the only APB forums, apb-evolved.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.225.15 (talk • contribs)


 * I've removed the particular external link, until a concensus is reached. StaticGull Talk  11:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm typically against these types of links but in the case of apb-evolved.com, I'd be willing to let it stand for a few reasons: 1) it's not completely ad-laden and the ads that they have are unobtrusive. 2) there's not much info out there in the wild about this game, and this site is a pretty good resource for it, and 3) this article used to be a complete copy-vio cut and paste from apb-evolved and they let us keep it up as long as we linked to them (since it's no longer copy-vio, we're not bound to this, but it would be a courtesy). xenocidic (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

All of your facts are true, but considering the very lack of community forums, and the news of this site providing constant indirect content towards the site. We should be able to give a link to this site, at least until the official forums open up. Many of the developers support, and are on this website and should be counted as semi-official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.225.15 (talk) 11:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do not modify the external links section, APB-Evolved is added as a community forums until an official forums goes online. This is a rare exception, please fansites, guilds, and other unofficial sites please do not edit this area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.225.15 (talk) 02:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

-Agreed, ill keep a watch on this. - BlueFlamez

That site is no longer the only APB forum so it should no longer be listed. The newer site APBForums.com is also supported by the developers and not "ad-laden". In my opinion now that there is another forum exceptions should either be made for both or neither sites should be listed here. - nekon

Forums, official or not, are not appropriate external links for any article, (see WP:VG/EL). --M ASEM 03:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Then like I said neither site should be listed, I've read the guidelines and they're clear. No forums in external links, no exceptions. Now lets take that link down. -nekon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nekon (talk • contribs) 04:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, I was simply following a previously agreed terms discussed here. If we all agree since there are more than one forums neither should be allowed. - Blueflamez —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.225.15 (talk) 12:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Not acceptable by whom? Wikapedia is a resource location allowing those who are interested in a topic to learn more about it. Apb-evolved.com has ALL of the current information released to the public on it, more than APB.com, Realtimeworlds website and APBforums.com combined. Not to mention the fact that its own Dev team including Chris Ulric community manager continue to use it to send out announcments. In fact, before the Register your interest page went up, APB-evolved.com was the only means of communication to the fans. I realise that APBforums.com doesnt want APB-evolved.com advertised as it lessens the likelyhood they will accrue members however we are supposed to be "supporting" the fans, not the Webmasters in need of members and so as it stands APB-evolved offers the most comprehensive database of information & collective fans in one place and until the APB official forums go up and innevitably change this it should stay. What is the negative impact on the Fan/User going to be if that link is there over what the postive will be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.224.121.210 (talk) 12:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that one of the primary confusions here is that APB Evolved is being referred to solely as a forum, which it is not. It is a considerable news source which includes many updates not included through the developers' own website. And that's before you even get on the forum. So, the forum is simply one element of a larger site. Having a forum attached to a site does not qualify that site as a forum. Also, as has alreay been said, the website has a long standing relationship with the development team blurring the lines between fansite and official news source. As a closing point, it is utterly nonsensical and silly to refuse to include APB Evolved, which does have considerable info and has been publicly accepted by the developers while including the IGN page which has only one interview (which IGN did) and otherwise minimal and outdated info. We have to get this together and it least be sensible if we are going to follow rules somewhat arbitrarily. -CAWH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.174.19 (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Old APB
Er, wasn't there an APB video game in the 80s? I seem to remember seeing one for C64 (though I don't know enough about it to add anything useful to the article). --taras (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. They aren't related, so a dablink is enough. xenocidic (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Gameplay infomation
Hi, I thought I would post some stuff that could be possibly written in to one of the articles someday, all the things I put here are things that have come from RTW which they said would be in the game. I will update when more info is released each month in their newsletter.

This is an excerpt from Here: http://www.apb-evolved.com/news/53-apb-september-update

Idea already implemented: Arrest / Capture system

Enforcers have an arrest system available to them which serves to take out a criminal player until they are freed or the arrest timer expires and they must respawn as if killed. This can reduce the criminal force for longer periods of time than killing them would unless freed by their criminal group-mates.86.134.253.171 (talk) 19:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Please Read
Please stop putting Xbox 360 as a confirmed platform and putting out of date info on here, it has not been confirmed as a platform the game will be on yet, seriously I keep having to change it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilolirocksursocks (talk • contribs) 19:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Xbox 360?
On the official website they say, and I quote,

"Q: Will there be console ports? Or a Linux or Mac client?

A: We’re just starting to evaluate opportunities for a console port but do not have anything to announce yet."

This conflicts with the information wikipedia gives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayrossss (talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed... But see the teamxbox article... I wish they would make up their mind. Anyhow, maybe this helps. –xenotalk 19:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It says they are developing it, not releasing it, they might just be starting to develop it to see if it is a good idea to release on the Xbox 360 then later if it goes well and works good then they will release it, the fact is is that they didn't say release they said develop. I don't know if any of that made sense but I hope I got my point across.Lilolirocksursocks (talk) 20:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

payment
will have to pay a fee? thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.110.69.39 (talk) 21:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It's unknown yet, hopefully not, because otherwise I'm not getting this game, I saw something that hinted that there wouldn't be any fees, but nothing official has been announced yet I don't think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilolirocksursocks (talk • contribs) 09:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The official word is that there will not be a monthly fee. However, there is absolutely no info on the payment method. In fact, the most recent interview with David Jones says that they may not truly decide the payment method until the beta gets going. They want to feel out how people play it first. -CAWH

It has tough been confirmed that you need to buy game in stores before you can play it. Eibx (talk) 19:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

History
I think the History section needs a clean up, or a new rewriting. I'll do my best. - Eibx 21:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

MMO?
The article seems to state you can interact with up to 25 players. I fail to see how a 26 player game is massive in any way, shape or form, when many other games, who do not bear the MMO genre, can support more players than this game will (BF2/2142 are 40 player capable I believe).

I wish developers would understand that having a monthly fee, being multiplayer only and having elements of persistance does not make their game MMOs. The main characteristic of MMOs is the word MASSIVE. No massive amount of players = not an MMO.
 * At the time massive multiplayer games came around, the phrase was used to describe games than contained a number of players way above the normal 4 players, which was very common at the time. APB is a MMO, since the description of what is Massive and what is not, is very unclear.- Eibx 01:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe this game needs to have it's article edited into the "MOG" genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.54.70 (talk) 22:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * When you sign in, you will have to choose an instance of a world you want to play on. These worlds can contain about a 100 players. An unlimited number of instances can be made in theory. What is meant by interaction, is basically you will not be shooting at more than 25 people at a time. - Eibx 01:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is true. Also, the closed beta date is very incorrect and I will not correct it. 91.105.133.73 (talk) 17:54, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Well the trailer says that the scale is much bigger than this. It states, "100 players to a city," and "100,000 players to a world." So I'm quite certain this means up to 100 players in an instance. 216.185.250.92 (talk) 00:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

There were plans for servers where all 100 people could square off against each other, however, the ruleset was never implemented. There were also times in the game where you could kill any other player indiscriminantly. It was an MMO. Anyone of those 100 people could get in your way and mess up your mission even if they couldn't directly kill you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.107.164.144 (talk) 22:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Development Costs
If someone can check the veracity of http://brokentoys.org/2010/08/20/apb-how-to-blow-100000000-00/, we might have something worth writing about here. --71.240.46.168 (talk) 03:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

End
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/16/apb-comes-to-a-premature-end/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.239.69 (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Was vs Is
Games should be marked as was as the servers are shut down game is no longer playable. Games are not always marked as present tense see matrix online entry if they are no longer playable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.103.156 (talk) 19:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree if the servers are shut then the game is no longer playable so should be referred to in past tense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.77.229 (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The game has been created therefore it exists. Present tense is correct. Whether it is playable or not is a different argument. Only when every remnant of the game code has been deleted from existence can it be said that the game no longer exists and therefore becomes past tense. - X201 (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Why is matrix online marked as was then? also if a game is not playable it is no longer a game but just a mess of code lying somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.224.161 (talk) 19:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There are old films and TV programmes on archive shelves that aren't currently being broadcast. They don't stop existing just because they aren't being broadcast, likewise, games don't stop existing just because they aren't being played. - X201 (talk) 10:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

but a game is something that can be played, if its not playable its not a game, so it does not exist as a game, especially as an mmo until the servers are turned back on. By definition it cannot be a mmo if no-one can play it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.96.58 (talk) 12:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This IP is correct here, only due to this being an MMO. Half the game exists on a server you need to connect to. If that server is not there, it is unplayable - that is, it is no longer a game, simply a pile of executable code that will not do anything for the user. --M ASEM  (t) 14:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how private servers will always keep popping up, APB one here, any MMO server will never truly be a "was", as there is always a chance of its fans keeping it alive. I think the best compromise would be for a form of wording such as "Game X is a 2010 something game, that had its online service terminated in 2011". I still think that for any hardware or software we should use "is", since the game code still exists.- X201 (talk) 14:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Article rewrite to accommodate re-release
Wondering if this article as a whole or specific sections might need to be rewritten so that newer readers won't become confused. For instance, the embargo controversy is no longer relevant since the game is being re-released and K2/Gamers First aren't responsible, but I am not saying that this section should be outright removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.85.208.101 (talk) 23:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Engine
the game runs on a modified Unreal Engine 2

Quote: Denn obwohl APB auf einer abgewandelten und arg angestaubten Unreal Engine 2 basiert, frisst das Actionspiel Hardware zum Frühstück.

Source: Gamestar.de (a well-known professional gaming related magazine in germany) -> http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/all-points-bulletin-reloaded/artikel/technik_check_apb,45066,2316165.html

APB from Spectrum
APB (All Points Bulletin) Its an old game from Spectrum Synclair computers.Main page dont tell anything about this.

APB reloaded its based on that videogame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.250.171 (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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