Talk:Al-Jann

Merge
I don't sure if that should be merged with Jinn or not

I know Jinnan are type of jinn but it is also classic name of jinn

in original hadith and quran Jann is Singular term only

but later used as plural and another name of Jinnestan

Jinni and Jinniyya was originally adjective but in modern interpretations they also used for male and female jinn

Iblis gender was unknown so he always mentioned as The Jann or The Genie not Jinni because this term limited to male jinn

أبو السعد 22 (talk) 16:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Interesting, did not know that this was the reason of identification with Iblis with Al-Jann. But I think the jann are not the same as the jinn, although etymologically they are, but "Jann" is also a seperate class. Maybe we should focus on the creature "Jann" only and explore the concept of the folkloric "Jann" further? Yes in the Quran Jann is used of "a jinni" and not a seperate class (to me, it seems that even afarit, marid and so on, who became their own classes later, are just normal jinn in the Quran. Arguably even angels had been included, but as far as I know this is still disputed, but yet not rejected.) Nevertheless, like Marid and Ifrit, they became a class or type of jinn unrelated to the Quranic original usage of the term.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Not about Jann himself, but about his son, I found some sources concerning a legend about Jann ibn jann as te king of the Jinn in Pre-Adamite-Era. I think this is nevertheless the best article for it and it also explores the basic concept of Jann, as "the first (or second this case) Jinni".--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

1st Paragraph
The apes are not all believed to have descended from humans as insinuated in the first paragraph of this article, rather It was as a punishment for a specific group of people. 82.24.116.107 (talk) 11:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

The father of jinn is sumia.
God created sumia as the first jinn in this world. And long long before the creation of Adam.i took this information from the old Islamic scriptures iblis is basically the son of sumia and then he became angel ranked when the eradication of jinns started iblis was young and so faithful he had hope in god even though jinns likes were cruel and used to spread hatred wars and blood all around the earth god saved iblis by ordering to the Angels to spare this young innocent jinn he had two names. But the most common name is iblis so Angels took him where the throne of god resides and then they started teaching him Angel manners and behaviors. Another event had this young ex angel full of disappointments ... when God announced that a time will come where a creation of mine will disobey me so the ex jinn angel ranked started cursing himself for 1000 years day after day until the day came adam was created by god. And u know what's next. Surat al bakara.. 197.205.39.64 (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * "i took this information from the old Islamic scriptures"
 * Can you post a link or any reference to the title? It sounds intersting and if there is a reliable source, this can be added. In many old orthodox writings such as Tafsir Tabari, this story is absent and pretty much in line with the findings of the sources mentioned in the article. If there are alternative competing accounts, they should be added to the article to ensure WP:NPOV. Thanks for your input. with best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Move to "al-Jann"
Back then, when this article was created, it largely discussed the term "jann" with its different meanings. Now it relatively clearly discusses the concept of "jann" as the father of jinn. Since it would be much aesier to write "al-Jann" or "abu Jann" or similar names, than the current title, I would suggest to move this article to an easier and more fitting name. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 00:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)